UA

Why does the UA accelerate the Earth but not us?

i asked this once before...
apparently it does, but less because we weigh less, so the earth catches up to us.
it accelerates heavier objects faster.
this is of course completely inconsistent with loads of experiments going back to newton's experiments of objects along an inclined plane...all objects fall at the same rate neglecting air resistance at sub-relativistic speeds. it also suggests every celestial object is exactly the same mass, lest the sun/moon/stars/other planets run away or crash into us, etc. strange assumption, especially because that contradicts other theories from FE that say the masses are different...anyway...

>>>with loads of experiments going back to newton's experiments <<<


Or even earlier Galileo.

Still it would be interesting to hear of the mechanics of this Accelerator

It doesn't have mechanics sadly...it's powered by Dark Energy. Rather convenient that they blame it on something we haven't quite discovered yet. I wonder what it will change to when we do discover what causes it.

I like how the accelerating expansion of the universe is blamed on something RE'ers haven't discovered yet.

Yeah dark energy dude, same stuff as you guys use, where currently looking for it.

>>>I like how the accelerating expansion of the universe is blamed on something RE'ers haven't discovered yet.<<<

I was asking a simple question, as yet unanswered on your theory and how it works .
To attack an alternative theory is diversionary but not constructive or definitive.

If you guys get to have imaginary mystical stuff, why can't we?

>>>If you guys get to have imaginary mystical stuff, why can't we?<<<

OK, I guess its your prerogative to view RE theory as bunk but....

But do you have an answer?

Why are we flamed for theorising a particle with no energy and no mass (even then, only in the string theory, which is a minority belief) but it's OK for you to have a particle that sounds like it's from a Phillip Pullman book that acts as an eternal accelarator, which is disproved by the Theory of Relativity you flaunt so much.

Assuming dark energy has and expends some energy propelling us up, otherwise it would share the exact properties of a graviton, which is

imaginary mystical stuff

, so what happens when it exhausts the supply? Where do they come from? (You people seem to have given me the idea of a hole in the nothingness with billions of tiny particles spilling out every second, which isn't possible as matter cannot be created or destroyed through a chemical reaction, assuming it is a chemical reaction, but what else could it be?) Do they ever spill over the edge?

Answer all the questions with a logical answer, if I ask again, you haven't, and "Read the FAQ" is banned from all answers. Anyone who breaks these simple and easy to follow rules will be beaten to death with a flaming plank. (Not a metaphor, but literally, a plank which is on fire, for you FE'ers.)

in response to the engineer's comment

there is a reason the Universe keeps expanding, just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. the universe tends towards more randomness by the law of entropy. imagine a deck of cards...throw it on the ground, pick them up in any order, the chances of you getting them all back in order is 1/52!, the odds of having one out of place is much higher, etc etc

for this reason the universe keeps expanding outwards, the way it has been since the big bang. every point in the universe is constantly getting farther away from all other points...

i asked this once before...
apparently it does, but less because we weigh less, so the earth catches up to us.
it accelerates heavier objects faster.
this is of course completely inconsistent with loads of experiments going back to newton's experiments of objects along an inclined plane...all objects fall at the same rate neglecting air resistance at sub-relativistic speeds. it also suggests every celestial object is exactly the same mass, lest the sun/moon/stars/other planets run away or crash into us, etc. strange assumption, especially because that contradicts other theories from FE that say the masses are different...anyway...

I once remember saying a very similar statement.

in response to the engineer's comment

there is a reason the Universe keeps expanding, just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. the universe tends towards more randomness by the law of entropy. imagine a deck of cards...throw it on the ground, pick them up in any order, the chances of you getting them all back in order is 1/52!, the odds of having one out of place is much higher, etc etc

for this reason the universe keeps expanding outwards, the way it has been since the big bang. every point in the universe is constantly getting farther away from all other points...

The universe is not just expanding, the rate of expansion is increasing.  This implies that the universe must be getting energy from something.  That something is called Dark Energy.

you should know that the rate of the universe's expansion is not constant, and neither even is the rate of acceleration of the universe's expansion. the big bang is presumed to be ~13bya, and since then, it expanded quickly, then faster, then faster, then faster....then for some reason the rate of acceleration of the expansion of the universe slowed...then it sped up again. astrophysicists know this by studying hte red-shifting of the light from stars in the far reaches of our universe. this is highly inconsistent with the idea of a CONSTANT, universal accelerator.

you should know that the rate of the universe's expansion is not constant

Did I say it was?

So how about that Dark Energy now?

my bad on the dark energy/dark matter mix-up...this is not really my #1 area of physics.

but everyone in FE is talking about a UNIVERSAL ACCELERATOR...this is not consistent with scientific proof that the rate of acceleration of the expansion of the universe is not really constant at all...at times, da/dt has even been negative...it was still accelerating, but slower than before...

So like I said, how come you guys get to have imaginary mystical stuff and we don't?

for a number of reasons, mainly because ours tends to get explained and it also happens to be consistent.

also, because we EXPLAIN possible reasons for your evidence, not write it off as conspiracies.

Explain your Dark Energy then.

since it's not my area of expertise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy can explain it better than i can.

Like I said, why do you guys get to have an imaginary mystical energy but we don't?

because ours has evidence of it, even though we haven't discovered it perfectly yet... there is strong evidence in favour of the existence of dark energy. so far, it is the best explanation we have come up with so far

what is the evidence in favour of, for example, a universal accelerator, that cannot be MUCH better explained by what we consider gravity?

I know it's gona get said....gravity doesn't exist.

Gravity is a force in Newtonian physics, gravitation is the bending in spacetime which curves an objects path through it.

I know it's gona get said....gravity doesn't exist.

Gravity is a force in Newtonian physics, gravitation is the bending in spacetime which curves an objects path through it.

okay okay sorry, i was assuming planets moved at sub-relativistic speeds and newtonian physics would suffice...clearly i was wrong. i shall rephrase..

what is the evidence in favour of, for example, a universal accelerator that cannot be MUCH better explained and much more consistent with what we consider gravitational pull due to the warping of the fabric of spacetime by objects with mass?

No one's saying objects with mass don't bend spacetime.  What I understand being in question is the fact that ALL matter does this.

einstein's theories are not conveniently selective. either ALL mass warps spacetime (most of the world's scientific community's opinion) or none of it does. there is no way just the earth sun and moon do, and nothing else does, that's ridiculous.

Like I said, why do you guys get to have an imaginary mystical energy but we don't?

Cos you didnt ask nicely enough

People still going on about this acceleration thing? It doesn't seem that complicated to me..

Prove to me that all matter everywhere bends spacetime.  Oh wait, you can't.

I can. Just don't want to.

Prove to me that all matter everywhere bends spacetime.  Oh wait, you can't.

well...the experimental evidence in favour of it is overwhelming...