Questions for sceptimatic

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Questions for sceptimatic
« on: July 21, 2016, 07:44:46 AM »
I decided to make a thread exclusivity to try and find out how physics works in sceptimatic's mind. He hasn't bothered to answer in any other threads, and he told me to make a new thread, so here we are.

A few questions I have:

1. What is so special about the molecules in the atmosphere than no other molecules have. Why can we only get leverage off of the atmosphere, but not from any other object?

2. What are the laws of physics in your world?

Everybody else, chip in as well. I am sure this will require a team effort to figure out how he thinks physics works, but we may solve it yet!

EDIT: Septimatic has rage quit on this thread, so it is pretty clear that his own theory doesn't hold up. No use asking questions anymore.
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Re: Questions for sceptimatic
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2016, 08:07:51 AM »
I decided to make a thread exclusivity to try and find out how physics works in sceptimatic's mind. He hasn't bothered to answer in any other threads, and he told me to make a new thread, so here we are.

A few questions I have:

1. What is so special about the molecules in the atmosphere than no other molecules have. Why can we only get leverage off of the atmosphere, but not from any other object?
We can get leverage from any other object. What are you getting at?
2. What are the laws of physics in your world?
What exactly do you mean by laws of physics. Just so we're understanding each other.
Everybody else, chip in as well. I am sure this will require a team effort to figure out how he thinks physics works, but we may solve it yet!
Yeah well whilst you try to figure out mine, try and figure out why your own is bogus.

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Re: Questions for sceptimatic
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 08:33:12 AM »
Scepti, you claim that as long as there is no atmosphere, you can't push anything, you can't get "leverage", as you say. Why? What's so special about the atmosphere?
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 08:43:16 AM »
So if I push my friend in space, I get leverage off of them and we both float away from each other. Is that what you are saying? Because then you have finally figured it out. Hallelujah!
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 09:09:06 AM »
Scepti, you claim that as long as there is no atmosphere, you can't push anything, you can't get "leverage", as you say. Why? What's so special about the atmosphere?
Hopefully you'll pay attention.

What is special about the atmosphere as opposed to the fictional vacuum of space is, the atmosphere is made up of matter with no free space between each molecule of it, or whatever you want to call each piece of it.

These molecules are extremely densely packed or are expanded, depending on where in the stack these molecules are.
Regardless of whether they are densely packed or expanded, they NEVER separate to give off any free space between them.

This is why we can move within them because we are them. We are not free of them either. We compress and expand in them as they do within themselves.

In your fictional space vacuum there is no molecule medium for anything to happen. It's what would be described as a place where suspended animation  would occur, kind of thing.
You cannot have SCATTERED particles just floating about with free space in between. It's not how reality works. It's fantasy and should be seen as such.

This is why things cannot be placed into a vacuum. No rockets or humans or anything, because it does not exist.

Low pressure at elevation is a reality. It's EXPANDED matter/molecules that expand to take up more space per molecule than below.
It's because it's stacked from the bottom up and each time the atmosphere stacks up, it becomes a little bit more dense below.

You are alive because your body is reliant on being squeezed. Your molecules are kept together because your body is under pressure. You are dense (no offence) and you create a dense resistance against a stacked atmosphere  that is upon your body frame.

The air you breathe is all attached. You don't breathe in random particles. You breathe in molecules that are all stuck together. You never break them, you just change the make up by expansion or contraction due to vibration/friction as your energy of your body resonates to a frequency.

Look at my avatar. Look at the layers. Imagine that gobstopper/jaw breaker being  one molecule of dense matter.
That gobstopper is solid but it can be peeled apart by taking off a skin at a time. To do this you have to vibrate it at frequencies than enable certain parts of it to release.

Let's say we simply peel off the top skin. That top skin will go from expanded taking its place on another gobstopper that has less layers or be jammed between those that have similar layers...but it will always be attached to one or the other.
Once that layer is taken off it creates a surge. It creates a pressure difference. A push into other molecules.


This is the basics of basics and even saying that, it requires serious thought. Anyone that decides to go into frenzy mode. Forget it, seriously.

The genuine people, come in and try and understand what I'm saying, because if you do, you will understand why the global Earth and space is complete and utter brainwashing..as well as much of mainstream indoctrinated so called science theories.

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Re: Questions for sceptimatic
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »
So if I push my friend in space, I get leverage off of them and we both float away from each other. Is that what you are saying? Because then you have finally figured it out. Hallelujah!
No that's not what I''m saying and you know this. I should have read this before I wrote that lengthy post. But no problem, I'll be happy if some people take some kind of thought from it to help them realise the bullshit they've been brought up to swallow.


Back to you.

You couldn't get leverage in your space because there's nothing to lever off of to create propulsion. You stay attached to your friend in your space environment of fantasy.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 10:22:37 AM »
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The genuine people, come in and try and understand what I'm saying, because if you do, you will understand why the global Earth and space is complete and utter brainwashing..as well as much of mainstream indoctrinated so called science theories.

I read your theory with interest. It has some coherence to it. I'll try to understand it.

Can you point me to one or two observations that I could make myself that are more readily explained by your theory than by mainstream science?

Re: Questions for sceptimatic
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 10:29:53 AM »
So if I push my friend in space, I get leverage off of them and we both float away from each other. Is that what you are saying? Because then you have finally figured it out. Hallelujah!
No that's not what I''m saying and you know this. I should have read this before I wrote that lengthy post. But no problem, I'll be happy if some people take some kind of thought from it to help them realise the bullshit they've been brought up to swallow.


Back to you.

You couldn't get leverage in your space because there's nothing to lever off of to create propulsion. You stay attached to your friend in your space environment of fantasy.

If I throw a ball in a vacuum it will stick to my hand?

What causes the atmosphere to "stack up"? Why is the lower atmosphere more dense? Why do more dense things sink? The answer is of course gravity, but I don't think you have thought that through.

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2016, 10:47:46 AM »
So, where does all the rocket fuel go after it is burned?

What if I collected a jar of atmosphere, took it to space, then opened it? What would happen to the air inside that jar?

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 11:10:58 AM »
Low pressure at elevation is a reality. It's EXPANDED matter/molecules that expand to take up more space per molecule than below.
It's because it's stacked from the bottom up and each time the atmosphere stacks up, it becomes a little bit more dense below.
But why?  What is so special about down?  Without gravity, why is it "more dense below"?  Why do things "stack" down and not up?

In standard theory "down" is defined by the direction of earth's gravitational pull.  Without gravity then you don't have any down.  I know you have a dome to stop the atmosphere's molecules from floating off, but why isn't atmospheric pressure the same everywhere, no matter what your height?
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 11:21:08 AM »
FINALLY! YOU RESPONDED!

I take this to be the heart of you arguments:


You cannot have SCATTERED particles just floating about with free space in between. It's not how reality works. It's fantasy and should be seen as such.


Why? How did you determine that? Remember, skepticism is NOT rejecting everything the mainstream says. It's questioning everything and determining why and if something is the way someone tells you it is. So again I ask you: why, and how did you determine this?
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2016, 11:30:14 AM »
This may be a bit off topic, but I'd love to get a great explanation of "pressure" based gravity or preferably a citation I can follow that's not on YouTube.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2016, 12:05:38 PM »
This may be a bit off topic, but I'd love to get a great explanation of "pressure" based gravity or preferably a citation I can follow that's not on YouTube.
I'll do my best.

I'll use liquids first since they are easier to understand, then I will move to gasses.

If you have a pool, The deeper you go, the greater the pressure increases. This is because the deeper you go, the more weight of water is above you. A cool way to test this out is to take a see-through cup, hold it upside-down, and dunk it as far underwater as you can. The deeper you go, the higher the water level will be inside the cup, and the more "squeezed" the air inside will get.

 The water wants to create an even surface with the lowest potential energy. It wants to get as much of it as low as possible. This is why if you put some water in a u-shaped pipe, both ends come to an equal level. (You can try this yourself.) The weight of water above you is dependent on gravity because that is what is giving the water weight. If there was no gravity, the water would float around and there would be no pressure anywhere (there actually would be some pressure because of surface tension, but it would be negligible.) The denser the water is, the more weight it has in a smaller space. Since this makes it's potential energy higher if it is at the same level and volume as a liquid with lower density. Thus, the denser liquid goes to the bottom to lower total potential energy the most. This is why denser liquids sink to the bottom of less dense liquids. (You can try this yourself.)

Liquids are incompressible, but gasses can be compressed, which means that they change density at different pressure. However, it behaves much the same as liquids. The denser gasses sink to the bottom (which is why smoke always goes up. It is less dense.) And it tries to spread out evenly. As you increase air pressure, the air tries to equalize more and more which creates forces. This is why if you have a water bottle and you drive to a higher altitude, it will bulge and let loose a lot of air when you open it.

If you have any questions, let me know. You can try these out for yourself.


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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2016, 12:15:59 PM »
I'm sure John is familiar with air/water pressure. I think his question was directed toward Sceptimatic and his (frankly ridiculous) statements on "denpressure".
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2016, 01:45:01 PM »
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The genuine people, come in and try and understand what I'm saying, because if you do, you will understand why the global Earth and space is complete and utter brainwashing..as well as much of mainstream indoctrinated so called science theories.

I read your theory with interest. It has some coherence to it. I'll try to understand it.

Can you point me to one or two observations that I could make myself that are more readily explained by your theory than by mainstream science?
To observe anything you must first understand what it is that you would be observing and why it is so.
Show me that you grasp some of it and we will see how you can gain some kind of proof by experiment.

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2016, 02:00:23 PM »
What about the other questions?
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2016, 02:04:39 PM »
If I throw a ball in a vacuum it will stick to my hand?
Assuming you could survive in a vacuum, as scientists would  have you believe, then your ball throw is pointless because your arm holding that ball has no leverage from your body in order to throw and release to motion, except the motion of your arm extending outward with the ball.

The result is the ball at your palm or at best, your finger tip, assuming you extend that fingertip next to the ball.

What causes the atmosphere to "stack up"?
Release of gases under the Earth due to the energy Earth gives out.
They start from the ground and are pushed to the surface. Then more molecules are pushed under the first ones, then more molecules are pushed under those and so on and so on with each push coming up against more pressure of molecules in the stack.
The more this push happens the more dense the atmosphere gets.
Anything that grows into that atmosphere, such as plants or us or whatever, has to push their molecular makeup into it and feel the envelope of pressure back onto them.

Why is the lower atmosphere more dense?
Stacking.

Why do more dense things sink?
More dense objects hold much less atmosphere, so they become less buoyant. This is why some objects do not sink to the bottom of a pool (for instance). It's due to the fact that they still hold trapped atmosphere which the water pressure cannot push out readily. However if you were to push down with more  energy, you would sink it fully because you would aid in releasing the trapped atmosphere.

This is why centrifuges work in separating liquids and what not.

The answer is of course gravity, but I don't think you have thought that through.
Yeah I have thought it through. However, I know someone who refuses to.

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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2016, 02:10:50 PM »
So, where does all the rocket fuel go after it is burned?
I take it you mean in space?
If so then the rocket fuel goes nowhere because it simply wouldn't burn and there simply would be no rocket in space for it to be a reality.
What if I collected a jar of atmosphere, took it to space, then opened it? What would happen to the air inside that jar?
What happens to your balloon of atmosphere when left inside a chamber then evacuated of some pressure?
It expands and would eventually be breached due to the atmosphere inside it being allowed to expand due to the lower pressure against the balloon, allowing the balloon with higher pressure atmosphere inside of it to expand more freely.
This would happen to your jar.
At sea level your jar is basically equal inside and out. Some minor pressure changes would happen but not enough to cause any problem.
However, if you lower the external pressure, your jar will explode, eventually.

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2016, 02:14:11 PM »
Low pressure at elevation is a reality. It's EXPANDED matter/molecules that expand to take up more space per molecule than below.
It's because it's stacked from the bottom up and each time the atmosphere stacks up, it becomes a little bit more dense below.
But why?  What is so special about down?  Without gravity, why is it "more dense below"?  Why do things "stack" down and not up?

In standard theory "down" is defined by the direction of earth's gravitational pull.  Without gravity then you don't have any down.  I know you have a dome to stop the atmosphere's molecules from floating off, but why isn't atmospheric pressure the same everywhere, no matter what your height?
I tried my utmost to explain this top you before and you simply tried to mock me. I'm not about to give you another go by wasting my time explaining to you. I suggest you just read what gets said in this thread and it may answer your questions...or may not, but then again I really don't give a flying flock.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2016, 02:15:29 PM »
If I am in space, and I use the extending of my 1 meter long arm to accelerate a ball 1 m/s^2 (it would take 1.4 seconds to fully extend my arm) The ball would be going 1.4 seconds right before I can't extend my arm anymore. If the ball is not sticking to my hand, what is stopping it once my arm is fully extended?

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2016, 02:16:06 PM »
FINALLY! YOU RESPONDED!

I take this to be the heart of you arguments:


You cannot have SCATTERED particles just floating about with free space in between. It's not how reality works. It's fantasy and should be seen as such.


Why? How did you determine that? Remember, skepticism is NOT rejecting everything the mainstream says. It's questioning everything and determining why and if something is the way someone tells you it is. So again I ask you: why, and how did you determine this?
Common sense and doing experiments with chambers for pressure evacuation.
Basically sweeping aside the bullshit to uncover the reality.

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2016, 02:23:37 PM »
FINALLY! YOU RESPONDED!

I take this to be the heart of you arguments:


You cannot have SCATTERED particles just floating about with free space in between. It's not how reality works. It's fantasy and should be seen as such.


Why? How did you determine that? Remember, skepticism is NOT rejecting everything the mainstream says. It's questioning everything and determining why and if something is the way someone tells you it is. So again I ask you: why, and how did you determine this?
Common sense and doing experiments with chambers for pressure evacuation.
Basically sweeping aside the bullshit to uncover the reality.
why does a 10cm cubed block of aluminium fall at the same rate as a same size block of lead?

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2016, 02:26:41 PM »
FINALLY! YOU RESPONDED!

I take this to be the heart of you arguments:


You cannot have SCATTERED particles just floating about with free space in between. It's not how reality works. It's fantasy and should be seen as such.


Why? How did you determine that? Remember, skepticism is NOT rejecting everything the mainstream says. It's questioning everything and determining why and if something is the way someone tells you it is. So again I ask you: why, and how did you determine this?
Common sense and doing experiments with chambers for pressure evacuation.
Basically sweeping aside the bullshit to uncover the reality.
why does a 10cm cubed block of aluminium fall at the same rate as a same size block of lead?
It doesn't.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2016, 02:34:09 PM »
If I throw a ball in a vacuum it will stick to my hand?
Assuming you could survive in a vacuum, as scientists would  have you believe, then your ball throw is pointless because your arm holding that ball has no leverage from your body in order to throw and release to motion, except the motion of your arm extending outward with the ball.

The result is the ball at your palm or at best, your finger tip, assuming you extend that fingertip next to the ball.

What causes the atmosphere to "stack up"?
Release of gases under the Earth due to the energy Earth gives out.
They start from the ground and are pushed to the surface. Then more molecules are pushed under the first ones, then more molecules are pushed under those and so on and so on with each push coming up against more pressure of molecules in the stack.
The more this push happens the more dense the atmosphere gets.
Anything that grows into that atmosphere, such as plants or us or whatever, has to push their molecular makeup into it and feel the envelope of pressure back onto them.

Why is the lower atmosphere more dense?
Stacking.

Why do more dense things sink?
More dense objects hold much less atmosphere, so they become less buoyant. This is why some objects do not sink to the bottom of a pool (for instance). It's due to the fact that they still hold trapped atmosphere which the water pressure cannot push out readily. However if you were to push down with more  energy, you would sink it fully because you would aid in releasing the trapped atmosphere.

This is why centrifuges work in separating liquids and what not.

The answer is of course gravity, but I don't think you have thought that through.
Yeah I have thought it through. However, I know someone who refuses to.

I am in vacuum of space. I take the ball, move it behind my head and push it forward with my arm, in a typical ball throwing motion, I let go of the ball once it gets to the end of my reach.

Are you saying the ball goes nowhere? That I am unable to move my arm in a vacuum? That the ball sticks to my hand when I pull it back?

Let's say I can get my arm moving around 30 mph from behind my head to in front of my head, are you saying the ball is not moving 30 mph now in my hand? That if I let it go and pull my hand back the ball goes nowhere?

As for your idea that the gasses come from under then Earth due to Earth energy, what are you smoking? Seriously, Earth energy making gasses?

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2016, 02:57:47 PM »
I am in vacuum of space. I take the ball, move it behind my head and push it forward with my arm, in a typical ball throwing motion, I let go of the ball once it gets to the end of my reach.

Are you saying the ball goes nowhere? That I am unable to move my arm in a vacuum? That the ball sticks to my hand when I pull it back?
Let say you have the ball clenched in your fist. You decide to open your fist and pull your arm back away from the ball. You leave the ball where your fist was and your fist is now as far back to your body as your joint allows. That's your lot.
Forward wise you extend your arm with the ball on it and you're left with an extended arm with the ball at the end of it, until you decide to pull your arm away from that ball.
You go nowhere and neither does the ball, otehr than what I've stated.

Let's say I can get my arm moving around 30 mph from behind my head to in front of my head, are you saying the ball is not moving 30 mph now in my hand? That if I let it go and pull my hand back the ball goes nowhere?
Ok, try and run in space. Make then legs go as fast as possible . What happens?
Nothing, right? You go nowhere. This is because you have no friction to effect any movement otehr than the movement of your limbs that keep you in the same spot.
Now try and throw the ball and the same thing happens. You have no leverage/friction to aid in a push. All you can do is make the ball move with your hand.

Try your best to think about it if you're serious.


As for your idea that the gasses come from under then Earth due to Earth energy, what are you smoking? Seriously, Earth energy making gasses?

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2016, 03:00:29 PM »
What is stopping the ball? It is moving at some speed while your arm is pushing it (not clenching it) so what stops it from moving?
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2016, 03:06:12 PM »
I am in vacuum of space. I take the ball, move it behind my head and push it forward with my arm, in a typical ball throwing motion, I let go of the ball once it gets to the end of my reach.

Are you saying the ball goes nowhere? That I am unable to move my arm in a vacuum? That the ball sticks to my hand when I pull it back?
Let say you have the ball clenched in your fist. You decide to open your fist and pull your arm back away from the ball. You leave the ball where your fist was and your fist is now as far back to your body as your joint allows. That's your lot.
Forward wise you extend your arm with the ball on it and you're left with an extended arm with the ball at the end of it, until you decide to pull your arm away from that ball.
You go nowhere and neither does the ball, otehr than what I've stated.

Let's say I can get my arm moving around 30 mph from behind my head to in front of my head, are you saying the ball is not moving 30 mph now in my hand? That if I let it go and pull my hand back the ball goes nowhere?
Ok, try and run in space. Make then legs go as fast as possible . What happens?
Nothing, right? You go nowhere. This is because you have no friction to effect any movement otehr than the movement of your limbs that keep you in the same spot.
Now try and throw the ball and the same thing happens. You have no leverage/friction to aid in a push. All you can do is make the ball move with your hand.

Try your best to think about it if you're serious.


As for your idea that the gasses come from under then Earth due to Earth energy, what are you smoking? Seriously, Earth energy making gasses?

You are still not answering the question. The ball is in my clinched fist. I move the ball and my clinched fist forwards at let's say 30 mph and open my fist. Are you saying the ball does not continue on at 30 mph? It goes no where? That it slows from 30 mph to 0 mph as soon as I open my fist?


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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2016, 03:07:50 PM »
What is stopping the ball? It is moving at some speed while your arm is pushing it (not clenching it) so what stops it from moving?

In order to push and release something to accelerate it away from you, you have to have leverage.
Your space provides no leverage at all.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2016, 03:09:38 PM »
Yet you say that we are able to extend our arm. How is are arm moving if nothing can accelerate?
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2016, 03:14:11 PM »
I am in vacuum of space. I take the ball, move it behind my head and push it forward with my arm, in a typical ball throwing motion, I let go of the ball once it gets to the end of my reach.

Are you saying the ball goes nowhere? That I am unable to move my arm in a vacuum? That the ball sticks to my hand when I pull it back?
Let say you have the ball clenched in your fist. You decide to open your fist and pull your arm back away from the ball. You leave the ball where your fist was and your fist is now as far back to your body as your joint allows. That's your lot.
Forward wise you extend your arm with the ball on it and you're left with an extended arm with the ball at the end of it, until you decide to pull your arm away from that ball.
You go nowhere and neither does the ball, otehr than what I've stated.

Let's say I can get my arm moving around 30 mph from behind my head to in front of my head, are you saying the ball is not moving 30 mph now in my hand? That if I let it go and pull my hand back the ball goes nowhere?
Ok, try and run in space. Make then legs go as fast as possible . What happens?
Nothing, right? You go nowhere. This is because you have no friction to effect any movement otehr than the movement of your limbs that keep you in the same spot.
Now try and throw the ball and the same thing happens. You have no leverage/friction to aid in a push. All you can do is make the ball move with your hand.

Try your best to think about it if you're serious.


As for your idea that the gasses come from under then Earth due to Earth energy, what are you smoking? Seriously, Earth energy making gasses?

You are still not answering the question. The ball is in my clinched fist. I move the ball and my clinched fist forwards at let's say 30 mph and open my fist. Are you saying the ball does not continue on at 30 mph? It goes no where? That it slows from 30 mph to 0 mph as soon as I open my fist?
It doesn't matter what you do in space, you can effect no external motion onto an object to accelerate it away from you.
You could have a million balls on you ( assuming fantasy) and you can keep putting one at arms length then get another from your body and put that at arms length to push the other one a ball further. You could do this and have a long line of one million balls touching each other with the very last on touching your finger tip.

Obviously this is assuming your space that's been indoctrinated into you.