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Other Discussion Boards => Arts & Entertainment => Topic started by: Space Cowgirl on September 10, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
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The trailer is fantastic. I cannot wait to see the movie!
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That's a pretty great looking trailer for this movie. I'm psyched to see it!
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Looking forward to it. Loved the games and the premise but pretty sure I fell asleep during the 1984 version of the movie lol
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The spice must flow.
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I loved the 1984 version.
I know. I'm a heretic.
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They should have Duke Leto briefly walk a pug as an homage to Lynch's weird ass movie.
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I refuse to see it unless Kyle maclachlan reprised his role as muadib!
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Just saw the trailer. Looks pretty good. Strong cast, except for maybe Aquaman as Duncan Idaho. I like Jason Momoa okay but it just seems like an odd choice.
Also, that sound track... I wonder if that's just for the trailer.
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Uhhh, I watched the whole trailer.
(shouldn't it be called a leader?)
I just can't connect. I fully own the flaw.
Also, Pink Floyd?
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I loved the 1984 version.
I know. I'm a heretic.
I too loved this film, and hope they do it (the book) justice.
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I loved the 1984 version.
It is a good one.
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I loved the 1984 version.
It is a good one.
I was never here.
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I trust Villeneuve. I haven't seen a bad movie from him.
But I cry every time I think we will never get to see Jodorowsky's Dune.
Also I really didn't expect Eclipse to start playing lol
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That looks great!
Dune always makes me think of my younger clubbing days, strangely. Dancing off my nut to this
Tuuuuuuuune!
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New trailer!
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New trailer!
Looks awesome! Can't wait
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What always confuses me is how to pronounce Harkonnen.
Because of the 1984 movie I've always said Har-co-nin. I went on to read the books in the series and pronounced it that way to myself over the next several years. Then there was the Sci-Fi channel mini series and there they were saying Harkcan-nin. I cringed and wanted to throw something at the TV I each time I heard Harkcan-nin.
First thing I noticed in this new trailer... Harkcan-nin. I still say Hark-co-nin. I think it just sounds cooler and more diabolical.
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I started reading the books in the 80s, I had to make up the pronunciation for all the weird words! I also went with Hark-o-nin.
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I like the emphasis on the second syllable for harkonen. Also the third syllable for feydakeen.
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What always confuses me is how to pronounce Harkonnen.
Because of the 1984 movie I've always said Har-co-nin. I went on to read the books in the series and pronounced it that way to myself over the next several years. Then there was the Sci-Fi channel mini series and there they were saying Harkcan-nin. I cringed and wanted to throw something at the TV I each time I heard Harkcan-nin.
First thing I noticed in this new trailer... Harkcan-nin. I still say Hark-co-nin. I think it just sounds cooler and more diabolical.
The computer game Dune 2, also said it how you (and I), liked
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OMG. It totally lives up to the trailer by the sound of it
Dune review – blockbuster cinema at its dizzying, dazzling best (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/sep/03/dune-review-denis-villenueve-venice-film-festival)
Denis Villeneuve’s slow-burn space opera fuses the arthouse and the multiplex to create an epic of otherworldly brilliance
Dune reminds us what a Hollywood blockbuster can be. Implicitly, its message written again and again in the sand, Denis Villeneuve’s fantasy epic tells us that big-budget spectaculars don’t have to be dumb or hyperactive, that it’s possible to allow the odd quiet passage amid the explosions. Adapted from Frank Herbert’s 60s opus, Dune is dense, moody and quite often sublime – the missing link bridging the multiplex and the arthouse. Encountering it here was like stumbling across some fabulous lost tribe, or a breakaway branch of America’s founding fathers who laid out the template for a different and better New World.
Calm down, Xan. But it's still got me super juiced.
I'm gonna have to wait 6 fricken weeks to see it though!
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I can't wait to see it, but I'm going to wait. Florida is full of the corone >:(
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I can't wait to see it, but I'm going to wait. Florida is full of the corone >:(
Your gonna have to wait anyway. It was just shown at the Venice film festival - it's not out until Oct 21-22nd. Hopefully you guys will have less corone by then.
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I can't wait to see it, but I'm going to wait. Florida is full of the corone >:(
Your gonna have to wait anyway. It was just shown at the Venice film festival - it's not out until Oct 21-22nd. Hopefully you guys will have less corone by then.
Dune wont be in Australian theatres until the start of December. As I dont go to those it'll be a little into next year before I see it on blu ray :(
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I can't wait to see it, but I'm going to wait. Florida is full of the corone >:(
Your gonna have to wait anyway. It was just shown at the Venice film festival - it's not out until Oct 21-22nd. Hopefully you guys will have less corone by then.
Dune wont be in Australian theatres until the start of December. As I dont go to those it'll be a little into next year before I see it on blu ray :(
I don't go to the cinema much, but will be going for this. I'll ring you up from the theatre and give you a running commentary on it.
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I think Hbo is supposed to release it simultaneously for those of us would like to watch it without getting Covid or hearing random people on the phone giving commentary on it.
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I liked it. Although it's hard for me to be objective about it. It's sort of like comparing Tron Legacy to Tron.
I liked most of the cast. I don't see why they couldn't cast Patrick Stewart again though. Paul Attredies is sort of a bitch throughout most of this movie but I think that's intentional. I like this portrayal of the Baron better than the 1984 version.
The movie stops at the knife fight between Paul and the Fremen.
The tech and special effects had a unique feel to them that's true to the books.
It didn't completely treat the audience like they are idiots. I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases. Doesn't matter then. Dune is an awesome story, it's rare to find a movie with so many layers and depth. Sadly a lot of people have been numbed to brainless action flicks and no longer have the attention spans needed to enjoy a well written story
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases.
Villeneuve wanted to film both parts at once, however the studio wouldn't take the risk. He says he's just happy anyone would let him make a film again after the commercial disaster of Bladerunner, so he's not really surprised they wouldn't chuck another $165m at him for part 2.
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases.
Villeneuve wanted to film both parts at once, however the studio wouldn't take the risk. He says he's just happy anyone would let him make a film again after the commercial disaster of Bladerunner, so he's not really surprised they wouldn't chuck another $165m at him for part 2.
I'm pretty sure that it would be a lot cheaper to film both parts back to back than to film part 2 a few years after part 1.
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases.
Villeneuve wanted to film both parts at once, however the studio wouldn't take the risk. He says he's just happy anyone would let him make a film again after the commercial disaster of Bladerunner, so he's not really surprised they wouldn't chuck another $165m at him for part 2.
I'm pretty sure that it would be a lot cheaper to film both parts back to back than to film part 2 a few years after part 1.
It would be cheaper for sure. But given Peter Lynch's Dune debacle, the nature of the film-ability of the novel, the fact that Villeneuve wants to film 2 more, not just the second half of Dune, and the studio uncertainty Jimmy mentioned above, I can see why execs would roll the dice on one and see if more are worth the investment.
Maybe they will do a 'Back to the Future' thing where they film II and III back-to-back based upon how well it's doing now.
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Movies should also stopped being deemed a success only if they make back twice the production during a cinema run. After sales like merchandise or blu ray releases should all count too. Waterworld was deemed a failure but has since become a cult classic easily eclipsing its cinema home takings in the years since.
Dune is already a cult icon and is sure to make a tonne of money after any cinema release on blu ray and digital sales
I think it's also been lost on Hollywood execs that movie making is a craft. A movie should be a work of art. Sure you could make 'easy money' by releasing some brainless , forgettable popcorn flick - but they aren't much to be proud of
People still talk about Dune from decades ago. It's getting a fresh 4K blu ray release because there are still fans that like it.
I really hope they do this movie justice and give it a sequel because it's movies like this that put Hollywood back on the rails in good movie and story telling. Not shitty and lazy reboots with woke agendas
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https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3162015233/?ref_=bo_hm_hp
221 million world wide so far. I think the budget was 130 million plus another 40 million in marketing. Hopefully that's enough to greenlight the next one.
I wouldn't begrudge movie studios for looking at movies like a business. $170 million is not nothing.
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I wouldn't begrudge movie studios for looking at movies like a business.
sarcasm ?
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases.
Villeneuve wanted to film both parts at once, however the studio wouldn't take the risk. He says he's just happy anyone would let him make a film again after the commercial disaster of Bladerunner, so he's not really surprised they wouldn't chuck another $165m at him for part 2.
I'm pretty sure that it would be a lot cheaper to film both parts back to back than to film part 2 a few years after part 1.
You'd have thought so, but the studio still didn't go for it.
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I hope we get some sequels but I predict it'll lose so much money that we'll have to wait another 40 years before they try again.
They really should film the entire trilogy at once and then just space out the releases.
Villeneuve wanted to film both parts at once, however the studio wouldn't take the risk. He says he's just happy anyone would let him make a film again after the commercial disaster of Bladerunner, so he's not really surprised they wouldn't chuck another $165m at him for part 2.
I'm pretty sure that it would be a lot cheaper to film both parts back to back than to film part 2 a few years after part 1.
That presupposes a second part is made. The studio wasn't sure it would be successful enough to warrant a second part.
BTW I watched it and it was an absolutely fantastic movie. Now I want the second one >:(
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Uhhh, I watched the whole trailer.
(shouldn't it be called a leader?)
I just can't connect. I fully own the flaw.
Also, Pink Floyd?
I wasn't impressed by the trailer, the movie is much better than it looks imo.
Jodorowsky attempted to make Dune into a movie in the 70s, and Pink Floyd were gonna write part of the soundtrack. I believe that's why Villeneuve chose to use Pink Floyd in the trailer.
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
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https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3162015233/?ref_=bo_hm_hp
221 million world wide so far. I think the budget was 130 million plus another 40 million in marketing. Hopefully that's enough to greenlight the next one.
That's pretty good actually considering the parallel release on HBO.
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
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Part two got the green light!
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Sweet! There's still time to get Sting to sign on!
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Sweet! There's still time to get Sting to sign on!
Nope, Paul and Ringo.
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
No, I had never heard anything about Dune until I saw the documentary about Jodorowsky's Dune a few years ago, which didn't really explain much of anything about the story, neither do I remember it anyways. I didn't know anything about Dune and I intentionally didn't try to find out to avoid spoilers but the movie was fine, it wasn't confusing.
You bring up the Bene Gesserit. I didn't know exactly what they were, it just seems like some kind of group with mystical powers which is utilized by the Empire for their powers, and they also pull strings behind the scenes. They are trying to fulfil some kind of prophecy which is why they are doing mystical space eugenics. They are angry at Paul's mother because she rushed to give birth to space Muhammad not according to their plan or something. I don't really know anything more and I don't really need to to enjoy the movie. It feels like there is heaps of backstory but it just feels like you are not supposed to know about it yet. The only part that confused me was what happened to Gurney, I didn't notice because I was in horrible pain at that moment lol
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
No, I had never heard anything about Dune
Not even the computer games? Among my all time favourites were Dune 2 and the much later 'Emperor - Battle for Dune'
I thought that Dune 2 was one if the first to master real time strategy gaming
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II
While not the first real-time strategy (RTS) video game, Dune II established the format that would be followed for years to come.[1][2] As such, Dune II is the archetypal "real-time strategy" game. Striking a balance between complexity and innovation, it was a huge success and laid the foundation for Command & Conquer, Warcraft, and many other RTS games that followed.
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
No, I had never heard anything about Dune
Not even the computer games? Among my all time favourites were Dune 2 and the much later 'Emperor - Battle for Dune'
I thought that Dune 2 was one if the first to master real time strategy gaming
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II
While not the first real-time strategy (RTS) video game, Dune II established the format that would be followed for years to come.[1][2] As such, Dune II is the archetypal "real-time strategy" game. Striking a balance between complexity and innovation, it was a huge success and laid the foundation for Command & Conquer, Warcraft, and many other RTS games that followed.
I'm too young for the Dune games lol
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
No, I had never heard anything about Dune
Not even the computer games? Among my all time favourites were Dune 2 and the much later 'Emperor - Battle for Dune'
I thought that Dune 2 was one if the first to master real time strategy gaming
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II
While not the first real-time strategy (RTS) video game, Dune II established the format that would be followed for years to come.[1][2] As such, Dune II is the archetypal "real-time strategy" game. Striking a balance between complexity and innovation, it was a huge success and laid the foundation for Command & Conquer, Warcraft, and many other RTS games that followed.
I'm too young for the Dune games lol
Dude you so missed out when gaming was at its peak!
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I think anyone who didn't read the book is going to be lost.
I think you are exaggerating, I followed it fine despite having a horrible piercing pain in my stomach while watching it, and so did my friend. There were things you didn't understand but they didn't get in the way of the plot, they just felt like things you are not supposed to know yet, and made me more eager for the sequel.
Interesting. I'm assuming you haven't read the books. At the same time though I'm guessing you've probably passively absorbed quite a bit of the Dune universe.
Frank Herbert has a very dry and straightforward writing style. He pretty much tells you everything what's going on in every scene while filling in details about the politics involved in every scene.
By the time the Gom Jabbar scene comes up he's already gone over who the Bene Gesserit are, why they're interested in Paul and why they're always angry at Jessica.
No, I had never heard anything about Dune until I saw the documentary about Jodorowsky's Dune a few years ago, which didn't really explain much of anything about the story, neither do I remember it anyways. I didn't know anything about Dune and I intentionally didn't try to find out to avoid spoilers but the movie was fine, it wasn't confusing.
You bring up the Bene Gesserit. I didn't know exactly what they were, it just seems like some kind of group with mystical powers which is utilized by the Empire for their powers, and they also pull strings behind the scenes. They are trying to fulfil some kind of prophecy which is why they are doing mystical space eugenics. They are angry at Paul's mother because she rushed to give birth to space Muhammad not according to their plan or something. I don't really know anything more and I don't really need to to enjoy the movie. It feels like there is heaps of backstory but it just feels like you are not supposed to know about it yet. The only part that confused me was what happened to Gurney, I didn't notice because I was in horrible pain at that moment lol
Not too far off actually.
Nothing is exactly mystistical in the dune universe. Since computers were destroyed everyone had to refine their minds and bodies take up the slack. Bene Gesserit have attained a mastery over their bodies that few possess. They don't even have to grow old or fart if they don't want to.
Light spoilers.
Gurney looked like he was overwhelmed but in fact he escaped. At the time this movie ended he would have been playing Mariokart with the Fremen.
Duncan Idaho you'll be seeing him again, and again, and again.... whether you want to or not.
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OK but you just spoiled a bunch of stuff lol
I didn't even know computers were destroyed, that's weird...
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I didn't even know computers were destroyed, that's weird...
Some of this stuff is basically to allow Herbert to create this neo-feudalistic universe, where machines don't do everything and people still fight with swords. It's also the reason why the book doesn't date like some scifi from the period.
The original Dune book often doesn't get into stuff in great detail, just drops it in and lets your imagination do fill the rest in (though I think later books get more into the lore). In the case of "thinking machines" we're told that there was something called the Butlerian Jihad - a mass uprising that destroyed all the AIs, androids etc and afterwards new edicts were issued banning the creation of "machines that think like men".
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”
So instead humans were trained and bred to be able to harness their brains like AI or supercomputer. The so called "mentats".
Not seen the film yet - going next week. Pretty excited!
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Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
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Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
So Rube Goldberg was the devil ?
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I watched Dune last night. I thought it was good. It definitely looked great. I loved the Guild ships, and the costumes, and the sandworms were impressive. Oh, and the thopters were fantastic.
I was disappointed they left out most of the politics and religion. I was hoping we'd get the dinner scene. I thought Paul having a spice vision at the harvester was weird, and hanging out the back of the thopter when they left was weird. They replaced a lot of what makes the book so good with action scenes. I expected that, because people go to the movies to be entertained and explosions are more fun (it's why I hardly ever watch movies).
Do you wrestle with dreams?
Do you contend with shadows?
Do you move in a kind of sleep?
Time has slipped away.
Your life is stolen.
You tarried with trifles,
Victim of your folly.
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I wonder if they're going to try to adapt other books. It's been a while since I've read the books but I think at least Dune Messiah is something they can make a movie out of. I recall liking Dune Messiah better. Paul seemed like an actual person in that one. But it wouldn't have nearly as much explosions.
Then there's Leto turning into a sandworm for... reasons. It might work as a TV show.
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I was disappointed they left out most of the politics and religion. I was hoping we'd get the dinner scene.
Rumor has it the dinner party scene was filmed but omitted for time. Replaced by the spitting scene. Folks are hoping a directors cut may include it.
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That would be great! Since they skipped finding the conservatory, I suppose they'll never mention the Fenrings.
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Are the Fenrings introduced in the second half of the book? If so, they may show up in movie #2.
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When Paul was attacked by the hunter seeker he caught it and ran to Jessica. She was in the conservatory, which is basically a greenhouse. She had him submerge it in a fountain. Jessica found a note from Margot Fenring which warned her that there would be an attack against Paul, and that the bedroom he chose was designed to attract him (of course she found the warning too late) but also the note warned about a trusted lieutenant betraying Leto. Margot Fenring is also Bene Gesserit, so the warning was written in coded dots on the back of a welcoming note. The main reason the conservatory is important is that it's like a promise to Arrakis that one day it will be a paradise. The way the Atreides talked about these things is the reason why Kynes helped them. Kynes was a true believer.
Margot seduces Feyd and gets pregnant (the pregnancy and baby aren't ever a part of the bigger story). I think the movie doesn't really do a very good job of making the viewer understand just how pissed the BG were with Jessica for messing with their breeding program timeline. Jessica was not to have a boy, they were working towards the Kwisatz Haderach, but that was a couple generations away. Margot became pregnant by Feyd to preserve the bloodline the BG had been creating through their machinations for centuries.
Oh, I just remembered that Hasimir Fenring (Margot's husband) was ordered by the emperor to kill Paul, and he refused. That's all I can remember about them in the 1st book, because they start to run together in my mind. I kind of think they're on Giedi Prime for Feyd's birthday at some point. Maybe that is when Margot seduces him.
I can see the movies leaving them out entirely. They're not that important to the overall story, but fans of the books tend to like them a lot. They are part of the intrigue and political plotting that was much more important in the books, and maybe would seem kind of boring in an action movie.
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I wonder if they're going to try to adapt other books. It's been a while since I've read the books but I think at least Dune Messiah is something they can make a movie out of. I recall liking Dune Messiah better. Paul seemed like an actual person in that one. But it wouldn't have nearly as much explosions.
Then there's Leto turning into a sandworm for... reasons. It might work as a TV show.
Villeneuve said he wants to do Dune Messiah.
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I wonder if they're going to try to adapt other books. It's been a while since I've read the books but I think at least Dune Messiah is something they can make a movie out of. I recall liking Dune Messiah better. Paul seemed like an actual person in that one. But it wouldn't have nearly as much explosions.
Then there's Leto turning into a sandworm for... reasons. It might work as a TV show.
Villeneuve said he wants to do Dune Messiah.
I seem to remember not much at all happening in Dune Messiah. Well, a few big things, interspersed with a lot of lore and philosophical waffle. I didn't think it was a patch on the first book myself.
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When Paul was attacked by the hunter seeker he caught it and ran to Jessica. She was in the conservatory, which is basically a greenhouse. She had him submerge it in a fountain. Jessica found a note from Margot Fenring which warned her that there would be an attack against Paul, and that the bedroom he chose was designed to attract him (of course she found the warning too late) but also the note warned about a trusted lieutenant betraying Leto. Margot Fenring is also Bene Gesserit, so the warning was written in coded dots on the back of a welcoming note. The main reason the conservatory is important is that it's like a promise to Arrakis that one day it will be a paradise. The way the Atreides talked about these things is the reason why Kynes helped them. Kynes was a true believer.
Margot seduces Feyd and gets pregnant (the pregnancy and baby aren't ever a part of the bigger story). I think the movie doesn't really do a very good job of making the viewer understand just how pissed the BG were with Jessica for messing with their breeding program timeline. Jessica was not to have a boy, they were working towards the Kwisatz Haderach, but that was a couple generations away. Margot became pregnant by Feyd to preserve the bloodline the BG had been creating through their machinations for centuries.
Oh, I just remembered that Hasimir Fenring (Margot's husband) was ordered by the emperor to kill Paul, and he refused. That's all I can remember about them in the 1st book, because they start to run together in my mind. I kind of think they're on Giedi Prime for Feyd's birthday at some point. Maybe that is when Margot seduces him.
I can see the movies leaving them out entirely. They're not that important to the overall story, but fans of the books tend to like them a lot. They are part of the intrigue and political plotting that was much more important in the books, and maybe would seem kind of boring in an action movie.
Now I wish you had directed it. :D
Your memory is astounding. I barely remember any of the novel because I was smoking doobies in a van down by the river when I read it.
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You know how some people read LotR over and over and are super nerdy about it? Yeah, that's how I am about Dune. lol
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I wonder if they're going to try to adapt other books. It's been a while since I've read the books but I think at least Dune Messiah is something they can make a movie out of. I recall liking Dune Messiah better. Paul seemed like an actual person in that one. But it wouldn't have nearly as much explosions.
Then there's Leto turning into a sandworm for... reasons. It might work as a TV show.
Villeneuve said he wants to do Dune Messiah.
I seem to remember not much at all happening in Dune Messiah. Well, a few big things, interspersed with a lot of lore and philosophical waffle. I didn't think it was a patch on the first book myself.
Making Messiah would have the some of the problems that they had making the Hobbit after LOTR. The first Dune book is the only one Herbert wrote that has those big loud battle scenes.
My criticism with the Dune series is that most of the time the characters don't seem particularly human. The sort of come across as sock puppets for discussing society and philosophy.
In Messiah though Paul spends the entire book completely getting his ass kicked even though he really didn't have to. Every time he loses his choices are grounded in his humanity. It's a little like the Empire Strikes Back in some ways.
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Well I have seen it, and to be honest I felt a bit underwhelmed, the vaste swathe of story left out in favour of cgi and slow motion shots of the Fremen girl.
But I will watch the second one if it happens but my darling wife will not be coming.
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Okay. Had a year to think about this. Watched Dune 2021 again. Got to say I definitely prefer the 1984 version.
I think what clinched it was watching the scene where Paul and Jessica run into the Fremen in the desert. This scene is kind of absurd. Stilgar is there. He's met both of them before. He knows they're not like the Harkonnens.
His reaction: "Hey let's murder these guys and take their water."
The only reason that didn't happen is because Jessica used her Bene Gesserit karate to beat his ass.
If this is how the Fremen react to everyone they meet then this would probably explain why the Harkonnens were trying to kill them all. Based on the information in this movie I'd assume that that if the Atreides somehow held onto Dune they'd probably be forced to do the same thing.
I think it's easier for the 1984 film to ask me to empathize with the Fremen because it's already such a bonkers film.
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Movies always leave out important details, they kind of have to or the movie would be hours and hours long. Stilgar doesn't want to kill Paul, because Kynes instructed the Fremen to find him. It is Jessica he would have killed, because he thought her lack of knowledge about the desert would put them all in danger. Then she proved herself and he realized she was a Sayyadina (a priestess who hadn't drank and converted the Water of Life). Plus the Bene Gesserit had planted mythology in the Fremen culture in preparation for this kind of emergency. Jessica quickly realizes this when they say certain things. She knew she needed to best Stilgar but not kill him.
There were lots of things the movie left out, that I wish they'd kept in, but I thought they did a pretty good job. What I missed the most in the movie was the sort of mythology that the books invoked. I also don't think they really conveyed how brutal the Harkonnens had already been to the Fremen, which would have made their hostility towards outsiders more understandable.
(lol I know I am obsessed with Dune)
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Dune 2 trailer is finally out.
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Looks good. Though I am a little disappointed that they didn't replace Chalamay with Machlachlan as a grown up Paul Attredies.
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Maybe if they make Children of Dune into a movie they can get him to play Paul!
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That would be awesome but I don't see them making the other books into movies. Maybe Children but even that is asking a lot of the sort of audience that watches blockbuster movies.
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Trailers these days often show far too many of the money shots, spoiling them in the film. Love the fact this just hints at the epic stuff, we don't quite get to see Paul riding what you know is going to be one motherfucking huge ass worm. Leaves me wanting to see the film RIGHT NOW.
I wonder what the Navigators are going to look like?
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https://www.theonion.com/dune-part-two-to-pick-up-right-where-viewers-fell-as-1850378546
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Wow, The Onion is still going. I remember those guys!
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i saw the trailer for dune 2 yesterday
tbh the onion article was right
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Well I liked the first one, but I was in horrible pain while watching it. I hope I won't be in horrible pain when watching the second one.
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Just saw part 2. Have to say I liked it a lot more than part 1. Part 1 sort of felt like they were doing a competent version of the 1984 version. Part 2 feels like it's own thing.
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I am jealous. I probably won't see it for months.
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Definitely worth seeing in imax if you're going to see it in theaters. I saw it on a regular screen, kind of regret it.
They do make a few tweaks to the story. Not sure how you'd feel about them. But it's nowhere near as much changes as the 1984 version did.
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Pls don't tell me they have pugs. lol
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No pugs. Porgs actually. It was a crossover merchandizing effort with Disney. Paul also has a wise cracking robot sidekick. Paul brings up the general ban on artificial intelligence. But the robot dismisses the notion with some witty one liners.
Regrettably most of the previous Fremen cast has been replaced by Chinese actors in a bid to appeal to Chinese audiences. But on the bright side Donnie Yen does a great job as Stilgar.
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Pls don't tell me they have pugs. lol
No, but I'm not sure about the decision to make part 2 a musical.
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Suddenly robot Zendaya makes sense.
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https://www.theonion.com/dune-part-two-to-pick-up-right-where-viewers-fell-as-1850378546
but also i hardly remember the first one at this point, only saw it once on opening weekend smh... might go watch part 2 tonight.