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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #210 on: March 23, 2008, 09:00:37 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 23, 2008, 03:43:26 PM
I missed no part of it.  He was awarded the prize for his contribution to theoretical physics with an emphasis on the work done on the photoelectric effect.

Now, about the photon not generating a gravitational field, back it up.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #211 on: March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM »
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I missed no part of it.  He was awarded the prize for his contribution to theoretical physics with an emphasis on the work done on the photoelectric effect.

Now, about the photon not generating a gravitational field, back it up.
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #212 on: March 23, 2008, 09:49:11 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2008, 12:59:17 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 23, 2008, 09:49:11 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2008, 01:33:03 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 12:59:17 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 23, 2008, 09:49:11 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2008, 01:36:56 PM »
Quote from: Saint Raist on March 24, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
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Quote from: TheEngineer on March 23, 2008, 09:49:11 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2008, 02:02:40 PM »
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Quote from: Saint Raist on March 24, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
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Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2008, 02:43:17 PM »
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Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2008, 02:53:23 PM »
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Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
Which i never said. Calm down. I have not mention General relativity or gravitons until this post. Your assumptions are much too great.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2008, 02:56:14 PM »
Quote from: Saint Raist on March 24, 2008, 02:53:23 PM
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Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
Which i never said. Calm down. I have not mention General relativity or gravitons until this post. Your assumptions are much too great.
READ THE FUCKING THREAD.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2008, 03:05:41 PM »
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Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
Which i never said. Calm down. I have not mention General relativity or gravitons until this post. Your assumptions are much too great.
READ THE FUCKING THREAD.
the best thing is neither did they. You read too much into engy's post just like he wants you to. You jump at assumption after assumption until you are the only one that cares what you are talking about. I try to ignore your assumptions and continue on with the actual debate, instead of trying to prove what you assumed someone meant but never said.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2008, 03:13:22 PM »
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Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
Which i never said. Calm down. I have not mention General relativity or gravitons until this post. Your assumptions are much too great.
READ THE FUCKING THREAD.
the best thing is neither did they. You read too much into engy's post just like he wants you to. You jump at assumption after assumption until you are the only one that cares what you are talking about. I try to ignore your assumptions and continue on with the actual debate, instead of trying to prove what you assumed someone meant but never said.
The Engineer had no idea what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for.  He also claims gravitation requires gravitons.  He was wrong, stop being his tool. 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2008, 03:26:06 PM »
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Quote from: sokarul on March 23, 2008, 09:47:30 PM
Where does it say he got if you showing gravitons are emitted from photons? 
What?  Can you please form a sentence that actually makes sense?

Now, can you please show us how a photon does not generate a gravitational field.
Show me when Einstein got his noble prize for showing photons emit gravitons. 
The funny thing is no one in this thread has made that claim. You have assumed that is someone's claim.... but.... it was never said.
I don't have to assume.  TheEngineer clearly did not know what Einstein got his Nobel prize for.  He tried to act like he did but ultimately he failed.
Read the posts in order.   
I did, he got it for his general work in physics. With an emphasis in your one subject. I think you are the one that lacks understanding.
HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GR.  HE DID NOT GET IT FOR GRAVITONS. 
Which i never said. Calm down. I have not mention General relativity or gravitons until this post. Your assumptions are much too great.
READ THE FUCKING THREAD.
the best thing is neither did they. You read too much into engy's post just like he wants you to. You jump at assumption after assumption until you are the only one that cares what you are talking about. I try to ignore your assumptions and continue on with the actual debate, instead of trying to prove what you assumed someone meant but never said.
The Engineer had no idea what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for.  He also claims gravitation requires gravitons.  He was wrong, stop being his tool. 
I didn't read him say either of those things. And I am not his tool truthfully. I'm just sick of you right now.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2008, 05:34:07 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 03:13:22 PM
The Engineer had no idea what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for.  He also claims gravitation requires gravitons.  He was wrong, stop being his tool. 
I do have an idea what he got it for.  I even posted it for you and bolded it, since you have a problem with your reading comprehension.

Gravitation requires information transfer.

No, how about you stop avoiding the question and answer it?  Why do photons not generate a gravitational field?
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2008, 08:30:47 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 24, 2008, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 03:13:22 PM
The Engineer had no idea what Einstein got his Nobel Prize for.  He also claims gravitation requires gravitons.  He was wrong, stop being his tool. 
I do have an idea what he got it for.  I even posted it for you and bolded it, since you have a problem with your reading comprehension.

Gravitation requires information transfer.

No, how about you stop avoiding the question and answer it?  Why do photons not generate a gravitational field?
You had to look it up.  Everyone else knew it was photoelectric effect.  My roommate also knew what it was for.   
I already answered it.  Light doesn't accelerate.  If you have to change the meaning of my post for t to be wrong, than something else is wrong also.
Also you can't say shit.  All you do is avoid questions.   

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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2008, 08:51:16 PM »
First of all, nobody gives a rat's ass what you claim you and your roommate can remember off the top of your head. If someone has to look it up, so be it. Secondly, you're on the internet. Which means that bullshit claims that cannot be verified abound. So if you could, good for you. Revel in the knowledge that you can remember which of his groundbreaking theories he got the Nobel Prize for. And also STFU. Thirdly, what possible relevance does this have to this discussion?(And I mean that in a sort of "You wish to add something to our discussion, Dr. Ryan?" way).
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2008, 09:18:58 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 08:30:47 PM
I already answered it.  Light doesn't accelerate.
What does that have to do with anything?

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  If you have to change the meaning of my post for t to be wrong, than something else is wrong also.
I have not changed any meaning of any of your posts.  They have been quoted from the original thread so that people can read them directly.

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Also you can't say shit.   
Shit. 

Looks like you are wrong on that point too.

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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2008, 10:09:40 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 24, 2008, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 08:30:47 PM
I already answered it.  Light doesn't accelerate.
What does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: TheEngineer on February 27, 2007, 12:44:37 PM
The force we feel as 'gravity' is actually the mechanical resistance of the earth as we accelerate.


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I have not changed any meaning of any of your posts.  They have been quoted from the original thread so that people can read them directly.
No you change the meaning.  The last quote you posted isn't even the first time. 


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Shit. 

Looks like you are wrong on that point too.


Translation "I was fucking owned".
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2008, 11:12:14 PM »
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Quote from: TheEngineer on March 24, 2008, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 08:30:47 PM
I already answered it.  Light doesn't accelerate.
What does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: TheEngineer on February 27, 2007, 12:44:37 PM
The force we feel as 'gravity' is actually the mechanical resistance of the earth as we accelerate.

What does that have to do with it?  Why does a photon not have a gravitational field? 

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No you change the meaning.  The last quote you posted isn't even the first time. 
What meaning did I change?

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Shit. 

Looks like you are wrong on that point too.


Translation "I was fucking owned".
You said I couldn't say shit.  I said it.  Hey look, I even said it again.  You fail, yet again.


Now, why does a photon not have a gravitational field?
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2008, 11:40:32 PM »
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Quote from: TheEngineer on March 24, 2008, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 24, 2008, 08:30:47 PM
I already answered it.  Light doesn't accelerate.
What does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: TheEngineer on February 27, 2007, 12:44:37 PM
The force we feel as 'gravity' is actually the mechanical resistance of the earth as we accelerate.

What does that have to do with it?  Why does a photon not have a gravitational field? 

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No you change the meaning.  The last quote you posted isn't even the first time. 
What meaning did I change?

Quote

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Shit. 

Looks like you are wrong on that point too.


Translation "I was fucking owned".
You said I couldn't say shit.  I said it.  Hey look, I even said it again.  You fail, yet again.


Now, why does a photon not have a gravitational field?
Show me where Einstein proved a photon emits a graviton. 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #230 on: March 25, 2008, 12:08:58 AM »
Why does a photon not have a gravitational field?  Einstein said they do.  Why do you believe otherwise?
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #231 on: March 25, 2008, 09:28:23 AM »
Did anyone return to the topic yet?..  :-\
I suppose we can rename the thread to "gravitation bickering" and start over.
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As for this argument, I was under the impression that the energy in light translated to gravitational pull. Velocity of C for instance. If its is true then gravitation may drastically change, although I don't see how it could be reduced to zero without stopping photons.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1999/02.18/light.html

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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #232 on: March 25, 2008, 11:47:40 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 25, 2008, 12:08:58 AM
Why does a photon not have a gravitational field?  Einstein said they do.  Why do you believe otherwise?
Why do you believe they emit gravitons? 

Answer my question and then I will answer your question. 
« Last Edit: March 25, 2008, 11:54:16 AM by sokarul »
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #233 on: March 25, 2008, 03:43:42 PM »
The main reason why photons generate a gravitational field: photons have energy and momentum, thus they bend space-time.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #234 on: March 25, 2008, 04:24:54 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 25, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
Why do you believe they emit gravitons? 
Because I believe that gravitons are the medium that space and energy use to communicate.

Ok, now answer my question.
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #235 on: March 25, 2008, 04:25:30 PM »
Quote from: The Skeptic on March 25, 2008, 03:43:42 PM
The main reason why photons generate a gravitational field: photons have energy and momentum, thus they bend space-time.
Why did you have to give him the answer?  Now he is going to claim he knew it all along...
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #236 on: March 26, 2008, 12:20:18 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 25, 2008, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: sokarul on March 25, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
Why do you believe they emit gravitons? 
Because I believe that gravitons are the medium that space and energy use to communicate.

Ok, now answer my question.
Because it was my second day here. 
Now why do you think Einstien got a Nobel prize for showing photons emit gravitons? 
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #237 on: March 26, 2008, 01:42:00 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on March 26, 2008, 12:20:18 AM
Because it was my second day here. 
What does that have to do with anything? 

Why don't photons generate a gravitational field?
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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #238 on: March 26, 2008, 03:44:52 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 26, 2008, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: sokarul on March 26, 2008, 12:20:18 AM
Because it was my second day here. 
Why don't photons generate a gravitational field?

Simply put, because they don't have mass.  Mass bends space-time and hence any object moving through space in a gravitational field is effectively following a curved trajectory in space-time.  When the object has mass then obviously the effect is increased because you have two sources of 'bending', if you follow.

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Re: Solar Size
« Reply #239 on: March 26, 2008, 09:04:10 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 26, 2008, 01:42:00 AM
Quote from: sokarul on March 26, 2008, 12:20:18 AM
Because it was my second day here. 
What does that have to do with anything? 

Why don't photons generate a gravitational field?
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