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Genmotty

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« on: November 09, 2007, 02:09:30 PM »
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Assuming the FE model to be correct;

----How is the Horizon explained?
Surely on a flat Earth then we should be able to see to infinity with a laser beam because without curvature of the Earth there is nothing to block the lasers path of travel.

First. Assuming that there is a decrease in light intensity due to photon interactions with air particles then a laser beam does disperse over distance however this distance till the beam is non-existent would be far longer than the limit of vision commonly accepted to be the horizon.

Second. Again assuming FE model and the above. Then the limit of sight could be explained by relativity whereby the photons emitted from the laser are not accelerating in the vertical direction. However this also suggests the Doppler affect occurs when a laser is pointed at an object above or below it. Thus changing the wavelength. However as this is not observed by experiment then it defies explanation.

----How is anabatic heat explained?
This is the result of heat due to pressure. However with the ‘Ice Wall’ the Atmolayer is not confined. Hence air is able to escape over the sides of this ‘Ice Wall’ (remember the atmolayer is 500km thick however at such heights pressure is all most nothing)

The only way to explain it as I can see is that there must be something beyond the ‘Ice Wall’ and the universe must be on the inside of a sphere for this to occur (conservation of energy).

----How come you can’t view Polaris between the ‘Ice Wall’ and the suns orbit?
This question goes without saying. If the Earth was flat you could see Polaris from anyway on the Earth. The truth is you cannot.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 05:11:05 PM »
Why is there a sudden influx in noobs? I dont get it... as for your questions, dont ask any until you read the FAQ. after you read it, then your more than welcome to ask some (that arent already explained)
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2007, 02:56:23 AM »
Thankyou for your interest in my thread. I assure you that I have already read the FAQ which does not cover these questions.

The horizon question is not explained due to the fact that the Experimental evidence is flawed due to the distances that are being used as there is negligible curvature of the earth over 6 miles. Certainly not enough to be visible by the naked eye.

The second question again is not explained in the FAQ at all. In fact I can see no reference even to the term.

The final question again has no natural explanation in this FE model. Hence what is Polaris in the FE model?


Additionally I resent the fact that you have referred to me as a noob as I would certainly beat you ant any computer game you choose to play. Thankyou.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2007, 06:34:17 AM »
Quote from: Genmotty on November 10, 2007, 02:56:23 AM
Additionally I resent the fact that you have referred to me as a noob as I would certainly beat you ant any computer game you choose to play. Thankyou.

Genmotty

You're new to this site, therefore you are a noob. Your halo skillz are of little interest or relevence here
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2007, 09:38:03 AM »
Quote from: Genmotty on November 09, 2007, 02:09:30 PM
----How is the Horizon explained?
Surely on a flat Earth then we should be able to see to infinity with a laser beam because without curvature of the Earth there is nothing to block the lasers path of travel.

There's this stuff that's not clear that we breathe...I don't remember what it's called. I think it's a gas. Starts with an 'A'?


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----How is anabatic heat explained?
This is the result of heat due to pressure. However with the ‘Ice Wall’ the Atmolayer is not confined. Hence air is able to escape over the sides of this ‘Ice Wall’ (remember the atmolayer is 500km thick however at such heights pressure is all most nothing)

The only way to explain it as I can see is that there must be something beyond the ‘Ice Wall’ and the universe must be on the inside of a sphere for this to occur (conservation of energy).

I see no discrepancy here. The ice wall obviously confines the atmolayer, otherwise it'd all get away.

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----How come you can’t view Polaris between the ‘Ice Wall’ and the suns orbit?
This question goes without saying. If the Earth was flat you could see Polaris from anyway on the Earth. The truth is you cannot.

The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent.


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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2007, 09:38:53 AM »
Also, might I thank you for some actually intellectual commentary, rather than, "ZOMGZ CONSPIRACY WUT!"

It's refreshing.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2007, 10:44:24 AM »
Quote from: Diego Draw, Tamer of Beasts on November 10, 2007, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: Genmotty on November 09, 2007, 02:09:30 PM
----How is the Horizon explained?
Surely on a flat Earth then we should be able to see to infinity with a laser beam because without curvature of the Earth there is nothing to block the lasers path of travel.

There's this stuff that's not clear that we breathe...I don't remember what it's called. I think it's a gas. Starts with an 'A'?

There is no need for sarcasm. The rate at which photons interact with gaseous matter is negliable for many many miles. Hence a beam of 400MW should be able to travel 60km, however in practice we cannot view a beam that long because of the curvature of the Earth in the RE model.

But that is your proof for a FE model if you can view a laser beam from a location at more than 60km (of any power so that it should be able to reach that distance).

Quote from: Diego Draw, Tamer of Beasts on November 10, 2007, 09:38:03 AM
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----How is anabatic heat explained?
This is the result of heat due to pressure. However with the ‘Ice Wall’ the Atmolayer is not confined. Hence air is able to escape over the sides of this ‘Ice Wall’ (remember the atmolayer is 500km thick however at such heights pressure is all most nothing)

The only way to explain it as I can see is that there must be something beyond the ‘Ice Wall’ and the universe must be on the inside of a sphere for this to occur (conservation of energy).

I see no discrepancy here. The ice wall obviously confines the atmolayer, otherwise it'd all get away.

No you misinterpreted me the whole atmosphere needs to be contained. Hence it suggests the inside surface of a sphere.

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----How come you can’t view Polaris between the ‘Ice Wall’ and the suns orbit?
This question goes without saying. If the Earth was flat you could see Polaris from anyway on the Earth. The truth is you cannot.

The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent.

So the atmosphere is thicker/more dense the further you get from the North Pole?

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2007, 10:46:51 AM »
Quote from: Genmotty on November 10, 2007, 10:44:24 AM
So the atmosphere is thicker/more dense the further you get from the North Pole?

No...
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2007, 10:49:29 AM »
Quote from: Roundy has been sacked on November 10, 2007, 10:46:51 AM
Quote from: Genmotty on November 10, 2007, 10:44:24 AM
So the atmosphere is thicker/more dense the further you get from the North Pole?

No...

"The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent." So it gets opaque(er) the further you get from the pole?

Explain the statement please;
"The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent."

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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2007, 10:51:43 AM »
What about that statement suggests that it would get thicker the further you are from the North Pole?  ???
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2007, 03:09:40 PM »
Quote from: Roundy has been sacked on November 10, 2007, 10:51:43 AM
What about that statement suggests that it would get thicker the further you are from the North Pole?  ???

First off that post was hardly relevant to the discussion and would be considered spam on some other forums.


The statement "The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent." suggests that the atmosphere would get thicker towards the rim in the FE model because you can view Polaris from the northern hemisphere in the RE model or in the FE model anywhere between the relative equator and the central axis.

If this is not how the atmosphere works in the FE model to explain why you can see Polaris near the axis, but not near the rim, please explain.

If you cannot explain, then theorise, if you cannot theorise then it suggests a flaw in the FE model.

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2007, 03:12:25 PM »
Oh, little does this Genmotty chap know that all these phenomena are easily explained by aether, laws of perspective, snell's superefraction and the antimoon.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2007, 03:41:42 PM »
Quote from: Darth Bishop on November 10, 2007, 03:12:25 PM
Oh, little does this Genmotty chap know that all these phenomena are easily explained by aether, laws of perspective, snell's superefraction and the antimoon.

If they are, why are they not on the FAQ page?

Second why don't you explain them to me?

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2007, 04:32:58 PM »
It's all rather complicated and not worth retyping when it is so easy to find the answers using the search feature.  It's right there at the top of the forum!
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2007, 04:40:36 PM »
"The atmosphere is thick and not entirely transparent."

Yes, I agree that this statement is vague. I would like an explanation in the scientific perspective.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2007, 04:50:58 PM »
 
Quote from: Roundy has been sacked on November 10, 2007, 04:32:58 PM
It's all rather complicated and not worth retyping when it is so easy to find the answers using the search feature.  It's right there at the top of the forum!

Search: “aether”
Returns: 2 posts, both of which in this topic

Search: “laws of perspective”
Returns: 2 posts, both of which in this topic

Search: “snell's superefraction”
Returns: 0 posts

Search: “antimoon”
Returns: 2 posts, both of which in this topic

So where is the explanations of these phenomenon located? The search didn’t return any results meaning either the search is broken, or these terms were just made up today.

Please be bothered to explain because if your aren’t going to be bothered how do you expect people to believe your theories?

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2007, 04:55:14 PM »
I'm not sure what to say about the aether thing, but try "shadow object" for the antimoon thing.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2007, 04:57:39 PM »
antimoon isn't the shadow object.  The antimoon is below the earth and is (along with the moon) the cause of tides.
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2007, 05:00:27 PM »
My bad.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2007, 06:28:47 PM »
Quote from: Roundy has been sacked on November 10, 2007, 05:00:27 PM
My bad.
Perfectly understandable, I've only seen the word used like twice and it was my idea :P.
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2007, 07:17:08 PM »
You cannot explain Polaris with normal variable thickness of the atmosphere, as far as I can tell.

As long as the amount that the atmosphere blocks light is constant based on distance, and not exponential, then the variable distances between the north star and you on the flat earth should, yes, lead to the star being less visible, and eventually not visible at all, but not entirely invisible.

I.E: 


Of course, based on the Pythagorean Theorem, the distance the light would have to travel to Observer A, south of the Equator, is SQRT(SN^2+AN^2). For Observer B, North of the equator, it would be SQRT(SN^2+BN^2).

Obviously, based on the density of atmosphere theory, it would be less visible for observer A than observer B. Conceivably, this could be to the point that it is not visible at all.

Based on this theory, then, the star would loose its visibility directly at the equator. Hence, as is obvious mathematically, the visibility would get progressively worse form the North Pole as you moved towards the equator until it reached zero at the equator.

However, this is not the case: Any direct observation will tell you that the loss of visibility is not gradual, but sudden at the equator. This either means there is a very large change in the density of air at the equator (which would be extremely easy to notice  ::) ) or that this theory does not adequately explain the visibility of Polaris.

Of course, there may be other, more accurate ideas. Density of the atmosphere is not accurate or even remotley provable.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2007, 07:37:52 PM »
I was re-reading the new FAQ more thoroughly, and found that for some reason the Flat Earth does not have a graviational pull but the other celestial bodies do?

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Q: If the Earth is flat, how come it hasn't collapsed upon itself due to it's own gravity?

A: The Earth does not have a gravitational pull.

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The gravitational pull of the stars and other celestial bodies

Wouldn't Occam's razor and/or common sense tell us that if some matter has gravity then all matter has gravity? If not, then what is different about our planet's matter that makes it not have a gravitational pull? I'm just wondering, as it seems to be a gigantic hole in the FE theory

(I myself am a round-earth believer, as I have yet to see any evidence that can't be pretty easily dis-proven/doesn't have "CONSPIRACY!" as one of its tenants . However, debate makes both sides stronger, no?)
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2007, 11:56:03 PM »
Basically, the atmosphere and whatever clouds are above you determines what stars you can see. As you look at an angle, as if attempting to look at Polaris from the Ice Wall (hypothetically), you would have to look through far more atmosphere, air, clouds, and whatever else happens to be in the way, which conceals some of the stars. The stars right above you are visible because you only need to look a small distance through the air to see them.


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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2007, 03:07:19 AM »
It's official! I named the antimoon!!
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2007, 07:51:11 AM »
Quote from: Diego Draw, Tamer of Beasts on November 10, 2007, 11:56:03 PM
Basically, the atmosphere and whatever clouds are above you determines what stars you can see. As you look at an angle, as if attempting to look at Polaris from the Ice Wall (hypothetically), you would have to look through far more atmosphere, air, clouds, and whatever else happens to be in the way, which conceals some of the stars. The stars right above you are visible because you only need to look a small distance through the air to see them.


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Of course, I'm not contesting that. The thing is though, that based on that theory, you either need

A) Dramatic differences in atmospheric conditions permenantly based on hemisphere/whatever FE's label south of the equator

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B) Gradual reduction in visibility of the stars, i.e, as you move south it would gradually get harder and harder to see, eventually impossible right as you cross the equator, since as you move south you must look through more and more atmosphere. However, that's not how it works when you observer polaris; it is easily visible until you reach the equator where it suddenly becomes invisible. This either requires letter A above OR a round earth, does it not?
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2007, 12:53:02 PM »
Forget it Geeky. Atmosphere density can't have the effect witnessed with Polaris. Their must be another factor in the FE model to account for this.

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2007, 05:41:07 PM »
Of course atmospheric conditions don't explain it. I want to know how FE'ers explain it  ???
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