Nuclear Weapons Don't Exist

I'm not denying they pick up radiation, I'm saying that it's possible that they could be simply picking up harmless radiation that naturally occurs or even some that simply pick up static and whatever.

The Japan atom bomb was never tested before it was supposedly unleashed on Japan.
What they say they tested before that, was not the same type of bomb, allegedly.

Below is how they say atomic bombs work.

Plutonium is created by exposing uranium to the neutron flux in an operating nuclear reactor and letting it "soak up some neutrons" and transform into plutonium. This is the most common approach to obtaining weapons materials that the nuclear powers use. So we have our nuclear material, and all we need to do now is make a bomb.

I'm not denying they pick up radiation, I'm saying that it's possible that they could be simply picking up harmless radiation that naturally occurs or even some that simply pick up static and whatever.

The Japan atom bomb was never tested before it was supposedly unleashed on Japan.
What they say they tested before that, was not the same type of bomb, allegedly.

Below is how they say atomic bombs work.

Plutonium is created by exposing uranium to the neutron flux in an operating nuclear reactor and letting it "soak up some neutrons" and transform into plutonium. This is the most common approach to obtaining weapons materials that the nuclear powers use. So we have our nuclear material, and all we need to do now is make a bomb.

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 23, 2012, 11:59:11 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

I'm not denying they pick up radiation, I'm saying that it's possible that they could be simply picking up harmless radiation that naturally occurs or even some that simply pick up static and whatever.

Geiger counters are designed to pick up only harmful radiation. Alpha, beta, and gamma rays. They do detect static electricity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

The Japan atom bomb was never tested before it was supposedly unleashed on Japan.
What they say they tested before that, was not the same type of bomb, allegedly.

There were two different bombs dropped on Japan. One on Hiroshima, one on Nagasaki. The first one was a Uranium-235 Implosion type bomb, which was fully tested before use. The other was a design that had not gone through the testing completely, it was a Gun-type Plutonium bomb.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

Below is how they say atomic bombs work.

Plutonium is created by exposing uranium to the neutron flux in an operating nuclear reactor and letting it "soak up some neutrons" and transform into plutonium. This is the most common approach to obtaining weapons materials that the nuclear powers use. So we have our nuclear material, and all we need to do now is make a bomb.

More neutrons does not make Uranium into Plutonium. You need more protons. This is done in a particle accelerator. Plutonium-239 is not the only fissionable material used in nuclear weapons. Uranium-235 is also used. Neptunium-237 and isotopes of americium can also be used.

I could very well be missing something here but the way I understood what scientists were saying was, plutonium does not exist naturally and is the product of nuclear fission.

If this is so, then they must have built a nuclear reactor in the 30's or am I missing the point here?

Quote from: sokarul on November 23, 2012, 05:54:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 05:24:23 PM

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 23, 2012, 11:59:11 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

I'm not denying they pick up radiation, I'm saying that it's possible that they could be simply picking up harmless radiation that naturally occurs or even some that simply pick up static and whatever.

Geiger counters are designed to pick up only harmful radiation. Alpha, beta, and gamma rays. They do detect static electricity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

The Japan atom bomb was never tested before it was supposedly unleashed on Japan.
What they say they tested before that, was not the same type of bomb, allegedly.

There were two different bombs dropped on Japan. One on Hiroshima, one on Nagasaki. The first one was a Uranium-235 Implosion type bomb, which was fully tested before use. The other was a design that had not gone through the testing completely, it was a Gun-type Plutonium bomb.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

Below is how they say atomic bombs work.

Plutonium is created by exposing uranium to the neutron flux in an operating nuclear reactor and letting it "soak up some neutrons" and transform into plutonium. This is the most common approach to obtaining weapons materials that the nuclear powers use. So we have our nuclear material, and all we need to do now is make a bomb.

More neutrons does not make Uranium into Plutonium. You need more protons. This is done in a particle accelerator. Plutonium-239 is not the only fissionable material used in nuclear weapons. Uranium-235 is also used. Neptunium-237 and isotopes of americium can also be used.

I could very well be missing something here but the way I understood what scientists were saying was, plutonium does not exist naturally and is the product of nuclear fission.

If this is so, then they must have built a nuclear reactor in the 30's or am I missing the point here?

Plutonium occurs naturally.  However what you are talking about is how they make weapons grade plutonium out of uranium.  You just skipped some step which made your statement look dumb.

So did they have a nuclear reactor in the 30's that made weapons grade plutonium out of the fissioned uranium?

Quote from: sokarul on November 23, 2012, 06:15:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 06:03:22 PM

Quote from: sokarul on November 23, 2012, 05:54:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 05:24:23 PM

Quote from: ThinkingMan on November 23, 2012, 11:59:11 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

I'm not denying they pick up radiation, I'm saying that it's possible that they could be simply picking up harmless radiation that naturally occurs or even some that simply pick up static and whatever.

Geiger counters are designed to pick up only harmful radiation. Alpha, beta, and gamma rays. They do detect static electricity.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

The Japan atom bomb was never tested before it was supposedly unleashed on Japan.
What they say they tested before that, was not the same type of bomb, allegedly.

There were two different bombs dropped on Japan. One on Hiroshima, one on Nagasaki. The first one was a Uranium-235 Implosion type bomb, which was fully tested before use. The other was a design that had not gone through the testing completely, it was a Gun-type Plutonium bomb.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 23, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

Below is how they say atomic bombs work.

Plutonium is created by exposing uranium to the neutron flux in an operating nuclear reactor and letting it "soak up some neutrons" and transform into plutonium. This is the most common approach to obtaining weapons materials that the nuclear powers use. So we have our nuclear material, and all we need to do now is make a bomb.

More neutrons does not make Uranium into Plutonium. You need more protons. This is done in a particle accelerator. Plutonium-239 is not the only fissionable material used in nuclear weapons. Uranium-235 is also used. Neptunium-237 and isotopes of americium can also be used.

I could very well be missing something here but the way I understood what scientists were saying was, plutonium does not exist naturally and is the product of nuclear fission.

If this is so, then they must have built a nuclear reactor in the 30's or am I missing the point here?

Plutonium occurs naturally.  However what you are talking about is how they make weapons grade plutonium out of uranium.  You just skipped some step which made your statement look dumb.

So did they have a nuclear reactor in the 30's that made weapons grade plutonium out of the fissioned uranium?

No, they had other locations producing it in different ways. 
I suggest you watch "The day after Trinity".  It is on youtube.

You mean Trinity being the one where they stacked up 100 tons of TNT on a purposely built staging and made out they were showing what force a nuke could unleash and then set a nuke off just after.

I looked it up years ago.

I haven't started this thread based on false knowledge at all, you cannot prove that.

You can be sorry all you want about me not winning this argument, yet by you saying this, is not going to win you it either is it.

You are going on like you are an expert on this.

Nuclear bombs do not exist.

So does that mean that the Cold War was an elaborate hoax that America and the Soviet Union concocted together?

Are Iran now in on the hoax?

Jeez, every nation in the world is just best buds when it comes to hoaxes eh?

Nuclear bombs do not exist.

The real point though is, how us intelligent humans, or so  we think, can simply accept being told that two lumps of dense "metal" can be slammed into each other and somehow destroy cities.

Quote from: Flat Eric on November 24, 2012, 05:50:28 AM

i was also invoking data: what the survivors can tell, what the experimentators did, etc

It was 1940's Japan in a shanty town. Nobody knew what an atom bomb was. Nobody had access to any data.
Nobody told those people what was about to happen.
When it happened, people died, people were burned.
Anybody that did know what was going on had no means to tell anyone what really happened.
The propaganda machine would have been in full flow and any witnesses would have been simply fobbed off or told to shut up.

Any witnesses of later dates could easily have been brainwashed into believing an atom bomb or even fake witnesses.

It wouldn't be difficult to do, given the year it happened.
Even the news said it could have been propaganda in the early days.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that America and Japan used this as a warning to Russia etc and maybe to the enemies of the world.

All of the nuke videos I've seen look so fake it's just not funny.

The real point though is, how us intelligent humans, or so  we think, can simply accept being told that two lumps of dense "metal" can be slammed into each other and somehow destroy cities.

One was supposedly untested.

Now you are just guessing. I don;t think the sun is any kind of nuclear reactor, fission or fusion.

I've lost nothing.

You only know what you have been brainwashed to know, simple as that.

Quote from: Irushwithscvs on November 23, 2012, 11:44:40 PM

Nuclear bombs do not exist.

So does that mean that the Cold War was an elaborate hoax that America and the Soviet Union concocted together?

Are Iran now in on the hoax?

Jeez, every nation in the world is just best buds when it comes to hoaxes eh?

you're just so stupid it begs belief

Troll.

you're just so stupid it begs belief

Mods of most forums tend to warn trolls, rather than encourage them.

Then again, FES seems to be one big troll itself.

another victory for fet: Thork behind a dim-witted lazy stuborn feeble mind. (yeah, i know, you are going to ban me instead of using your brain)

try to prove if it's a hoax or not

Quote from: Flat Eric on November 24, 2012, 09:06:56 AM

Quote from: Flat Eric on November 24, 2012, 08:29:45 AM

try to prove if it's a hoax or not

How can I prove it?

I cannot prove it's a hoax.
I've read and looked at a lot of stuff that makes me question it all and believe in my own mind that it might not be what we are told it is.

Nuclear energy is not evidence for nuclear weapons. My stove can heat water, that doesn't mean it can destroy cities. Likewise, simply because a power plant is using nuclear fission to turn water into steam does not mean that same process can obliterate cities.

The real reason that nuclear war has not broken out is that the devices simply do not exist.

So were hiroshima and nagazaki not atomic bombs, or were they not destroyed at all?

Nuclear energy is not evidence for nuclear weapons. My stove can heat water, that doesn't mean it can destroy cities. Likewise, simply because a power plant is using nuclear fission to turn water into steam does not mean that same process can obliterate cities.

The real reason that nuclear war has not broken out is that the devices simply do not exist.

Luckily for everyone, the process is different between making power and making an explosion. So I agree, the process of turning water to steam with nuclear fission will not "obliterate cities". The process to "obliterate cities" is quite complex. Not to mention these days, almost all of the energy from nuclear weapons is actually from fusion, like the sun uses. But they do contain a fission bomb to start the process.     

Quote from: robertotrevor on November 24, 2012, 04:15:46 PM

So were hiroshima and nagazaki not atomic bombs, or were they not destroyed at all?

That was firebombing, nothing more. Why do you think the American military chose two cities built mainly out of wood with no strategic military value?