The United Nations - Success or Failure?

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The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« on: April 22, 2007, 07:51:08 AM »
Can we discuss this? Not because I'm writing an essay on it or anything...
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 08:44:51 AM »
GeneralGayer -Success or Failure?


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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 08:46:22 AM »
Success.

Same goes for the UN in my opinion.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 08:50:40 AM »
I think the UN is a success, but the World Bank, WTO, IMF are all failures.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 08:51:37 AM »
But without the World Bank etc there would have been so many more economic crises.

But why do you think so CheesePeasy?
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 08:56:04 AM »
I believe the UN is a success...to some extent anyways.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 08:56:27 AM »
Shouldn't you be telling us what you think seeing as it's your essay?

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 09:01:21 AM »
Shouldn't you be telling us what you think seeing as it's your essay?

But I'm supposed to steal your answers. And I said I wasn't doing an essay..anyway the essay is on what the UN learnt from the failure of the League so it's not exactly related to this topic.

But I think the UN has been a success. I mean its had a lot of failures, but that's all we hear about it. Seems to be its successes outweight its failures.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 09:04:23 AM »
Yeah but we're not studying the U.N. so how are we supposed to know?!

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 09:06:23 AM »
You might not know but I'm sure other people here have got a clue :P

Hah I read a book written in the 70s about the UN and one section was entitled 'Modern science and the UN - Who will own the moon?' least in FE we don't have to worry about that as no one can get there...
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2007, 09:26:33 AM »
But without the World Bank etc there would have been so many more economic crises.

But why do you think so CheesePeasy?

Well, the former chief economist of the World Bank, Jodseph Stiglitz, thinks it is a failure. In fact he quit his job and wrote a book about how much failing the World Bank did on a daily basis ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization_and_Its_Discontents

I'll try and find stuff on the other two (the 'WTO' and the 'IMF'...I like to call them the 'WTF')


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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2007, 09:34:45 AM »
hehe WTF...

Hmm good point CheesyPeasy, but there has been some successes in the economic terms. If money hadn't been lent to Mexico in '95 things could have gone pretty bad in the international financial market apparently.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2007, 05:35:50 PM »
It was a success, but then Bush fucked it all up, aye?

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2007, 06:56:34 PM »
The UN does not exist.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2007, 07:22:12 PM »
After all, having a UN would imply that these nations were, in fact, united.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 07:16:45 AM »
It was a success, but then Bush fucked it all up, aye?

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Nah he just ignored it
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 07:25:06 AM »
I personally don't like the UN in theory, but it's doing a good enough job as is. We aren't overrun by zombies are we?

Anyways, if I were president I would definantly not have councils that research everything for weeks before acting. I'd need a group of people who can decide things off the top of their head.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2007, 10:52:22 AM »
We aren't overrun by zombies are we?

Not the John Romero, Eat your brains kind.  ;D
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2007, 03:09:46 PM »
It was a success, but then Bush fucked it all up, aye?

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By that I am assuming you mean Karl Rove?
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 03:30:45 PM »
It was a success, but then Bush fucked it all up, aye?

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By that I am assuming you mean Karl Rove?

No, I mean how he showed that the UN was useless by ignoring it entirely and going to war even when they told him not to.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2007, 03:49:16 PM »
That's not all the UN is about you know Edmunds...
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2007, 04:02:09 PM »
That's not all the UN is about you know Edmunds...

It's about keeping all countries united (hence...) and making sure people don't go on crazy rampages through France and kill a bunch of Jews, or at least that's what it was constructed for. But guess who's going on a crazy rampage through Iraq and killing a bunch of Islamics?


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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2007, 04:06:39 PM »
True it's original purpose was to avoid war on the scale of the two world wars but it goes far beyond that now. Consider all the UN organisations there are, its so much more than stopping Bush from doing what he does. But admittedly, that is a failure letting him ignore the UN, that's why the it desperately needs reforming.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2007, 04:10:59 PM »
True it's original purpose was to avoid war on the scale of the two world wars but it goes far beyond that now. Consider all the UN organisations there are, its so much more than stopping Bush from doing what he does. But admittedly, that is a failure letting him ignore the UN, that's why the it desperately needs reforming.

True, I'm not saying it fails as a whole, I guess; I'm just being a cynical ass. But that's still one of its main functions and Bush can still able to push his way through and the UN didn't do shit, which makes me believe that if Bush can do it, someone with as much charisma and social propaganda as Hitler could easily cause a genocide. In fact, numerous genocides have already gone completely unreceived by the UN; granted none were in Europe and none started full-scale wars, but nevertheless...

I think the UN is doing a pretty crappy job right about now, at least at fulfilling their original purpose. For economic control and establishing a world market and the like, they don't really have many issues, but none of that really matters if people are still getting slaughtered for no apparent reason.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2007, 04:16:46 PM »
Fact is that while the big 5 still have the veto the UN is going to remain powerless to that certain extent. Not just Bush that ignored the UN, America has a history of being a complete arse.
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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2007, 06:24:03 PM »
Fact is that while the big 5 still have the veto the UN is going to remain powerless to that certain extent. Not just Bush that ignored the UN, America has a history of being a complete arse.

Truth. I dunno, I just find it crappy that they couldn't do shit about him speeding into Iraq with no one's permission.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2007, 06:28:16 PM »
Yeah that is crappy. Exactly why reform is needed. And the veto needs to be got rid of. It was only there to make sure the US and the Soviet Union joined anyhow, that's a little outdated now.
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2007, 06:31:31 PM »
I love the term "reform". It means someone fucked up, and needs to cover that up with more of them.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: The United Nations - Success or Failure?
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2007, 06:32:42 PM »
I love the word 'reform' because it reminds me of those trips to Thailand some people take to have their male form reformed to a female form.

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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2007, 06:33:34 PM »
I love the word 'reform' because it reminds me of those trips to Thailand some people take to have their male form reformed to a female form.

Or, like YL Gasbag, to hide their predilections.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.