The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: getrealzommb on November 05, 2016, 05:00:18 AM
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I'm just interested. :)
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You missed one.
(http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/giant-meteor.jpg?w=750)
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I did not see an option for "Please, God. No", so I went with my second choice.
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This poll is invalid. There is no option for Boothead.
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I will just be glad when Donald Trump's children stop calling my house >:(
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I will just be glad when Donald Trump's children stop calling my house >:(
At least your state matters in the election.
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Right after dinner some dingdong called to talk about the unborn babies. I bet she doesn't give a fuck about the born ones.
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One thing stands out..... its a quiet day at the polls.
Early data shows a clear leader.
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Really? The polls show them neck and neck. You must be looking at them super special polls.
Oh... you mean the poll in this thread. :P
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Funny how I can only vote once in this thread, but as many times as I please in real life.
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I did not see an option for "Please, God. No", so I went with my second choice.
Lmao
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I thought it was decided on a previous thread that Jane was going to be an option?
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I thought it was decided on a previous thread that Jane was going to be an option?
Yeah I don't know. She swears up and down that she'll nuke Florida but the minute she gets in you know she's not going to follow through. Typical empty campaign promises.
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There's no option to vote in this guy. >:(
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There's no option to vote in this guy. >:(
He is a flat earther so he should get that voting block at least.
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Edit, that guy hates Canada hey?
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Ok the sample is small but;
If this forum were a state.... it would definitely be a red one!
Donald might just piss it, who knows. I have seen similar polls on many forums and trump is usually coming out ahead 7/2, here's not much difference with 2/1 favoring trump.
Remember to get to the polls for real though people.... every vote counts.
I don't think many normal people like like Hillary. She only seems to have the feminists, corrupt politicians, heads of corporations and a few celebs endorsing her.
Bur she has the media in her pocket. so Ignore the media.
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So then it's clear, Trump believes that the earth is flat.
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Does it really matter who gets in?
All those people don't spend millions and million on campaigns just for the betterment of those that vote for them, or do you think they do?
Politicians are all the same goal hungry people with different coloured badges pretending that they are out to help.
I don't live in America but the same applies for all of the supposed FREE countries. It's all nonsense and I couldn't care if Tony the triffid was elected.
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and I couldn't care if Tony the triffid was elected.
Is that what they have on the front of your cereal boxes?
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Does it really matter who gets in?
All those people don't spend millions and million on campaigns just for the betterment of those that vote for them, or do you think they do?
Politicians are all the same goal hungry people with different coloured badges pretending that they are out to help.
I don't live in America but the same applies for all of the supposed FREE countries. It's all nonsense and I couldn't care if Tony the triffid was elected.
Also, this sort of cynical horseshit is why we always have such terrible choices. You're part of the problem.
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There's no option to vote in this guy. >:(
He is a flat earther so he should get that voting block at least.
Actually, he isn't.
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There's no option to vote in this guy. >:(
He is a flat earther so he should get that voting block at least.
Actually, he isn't.
I'm choosing to believe that his video on the flat earth is genuine.
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Ok the sample is small but;
If this forum were a state.... it would definitely be a red one!
Donald might just piss it, who knows. I have seen similar polls on many forums and trump is usually coming out ahead 7/2, here's not much difference with 2/1 favoring trump.
Remember to get to the polls for real though people.... every vote counts.
I don't think many normal people like like Hillary. She only seems to have the feminists, corrupt politicians, heads of corporations and a few celebs endorsing her.
Bur she has the media in her pocket. so Ignore the media.
I am actually surprised this forum is so "red"...I was not expecting that at all.
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You shouldn't be so surprised. It's mostly angry globularists.
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Id like to add that as the polls creator I never cast a vote. For the record it would have been another for Donald
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I don't think many normal people like like Hillary. She only seems to have the feminists, corrupt politicians, heads of corporations and a few celebs endorsing her.
Bur she has the media in her pocket. so Ignore the media.
Media's been pretty against her. Well, depends broadly speaking, but compare how much time's spent covering email speculation vs the facts of Trump's fraud and rape trials. From what I've seen, the coverage is about equal, the anti-Trump side just seems larger because there's so much more of it, and that's down to him, not the reporters. Sure, you can find individual shows that lean towards Hillary, but news-wise...
Hillary has a fair few supporters, the Trump side's typically just much louder, more vocal, and to a point can be intimidating. Hillary lost a few to Bernie-or-bust idiots and dodgy standards, but she gained a lot of the anyone-but-Trump vote.
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The media has been extremely biased rooting for Hillary also the entertainment industry as they are mostly liberal as well. There have been a few outside news sources that have rooted for trump, as well as fox of course. Other than that, everything media related is pro hillary.
It is hard for you to understand since obviously you don't live here. Not like I could understand any bias in the UK's media. Maybe y'all's media is biased against hillary I don't know. Everything I have seen from the BBC seems like they are not the biggest fan of hillary.
However, that certainly is not the case here.
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I don't think many normal people like like Hillary. She only seems to have the feminists, corrupt politicians, heads of corporations and a few celebs endorsing her.
Bur she has the media in her pocket. so Ignore the media.
Media's been pretty against her. Well, depends broadly speaking, but compare how much time's spent covering email speculation vs the facts of Trump's fraud and rape trials. From what I've seen, the coverage is about equal, the anti-Trump side just seems larger because there's so much more of it, and that's down to him, not the reporters. Sure, you can find individual shows that lean towards Hillary, but news-wise...
Hillary has a fair few supporters, the Trump side's typically just much louder, more vocal, and to a point can be intimidating. Hillary lost a few to Bernie-or-bust idiots and dodgy standards, but she gained a lot of the anyone-but-Trump vote.
Do you watch the news mostly from the BBC?
I mostly get the news through news aggregates, CNN, Washington post, sometimes Fox news, also comedy Central. I have to say from what I've seen the media tends to favor Clinton. Her transgressions were downplayed. Her opponents were often dismissed as not serious. The news on the whole "grab them by the pussy" tape completely overshadowed the wiki leaks story.
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Do you watch the news mostly from the BBC?
I mostly get the news through news aggregates, CNN, Washington post, sometimes Fox news, also comedy Central. I have to say from what I've seen the media tends to favor Clinton. Her transgressions were downplayed. Her opponents were often dismissed as not serious. The news on the whole "grab them by the pussy" tape completely overshadowed the wiki leaks story.
Typically I read articles, from both sides. I don't follow particular sources, just generally.
The general rule for news is that everyone rushes to cover new developments. When you have a presidential candidate bragging about sexual assault then yeah, sure, that gets covered more. There's just more stories that need to be written about Trump, which is down to him, and it's by his design; his whole shtick is saying things outrageous enough to get press.
From what I've seen, there was some bias in the primaries stage, but at this point the coverage is just of what stories there are. Emails get covered when they pop up again, but the fact is Clinton doesn't actively court scandal like Trump. The fact there's more to say about Trump is down to him, not the media.
Clearly the news is happy to cover Clinton scandals.
The media has been extremely biased rooting for Hillary also the entertainment industry as they are mostly liberal as well. There have been a few outside news sources that have rooted for trump, as well as fox of course. Other than that, everything media related is pro hillary.
Entertainment-industry isn't news. From what I've seen, of past years, though is that even liberal shows tend to cover both sides relatively equally over past elections. It's only this time around that entertainment shows had taken a solid stance, and there's a reason for that.
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Trump is being demonised in the Australian media also, which is silly because if theres one thing all Aussies love it's an underdog.
I would've voted for the turd sandwich (Hillary) if I was in the US before the media attacked the giant douche (Trump), now I'm not sure.
One thing I have learned from Aussie pollitics is if Trump gets in the republicans will most likely sack him and put someone else in power.
If thats even legal in America, it has happened in Aus the last three elections.
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but the fact is Clinton doesn't actively court scandal like Trump.
This is not a fact nor reality (only a liberal convenient pseudo fact) The Clintons have been heavily involved in countless number of scandals since bill was president and it hasn't stopped.
Trump is being demonised in the Australian media also, which is silly because if theres one thing all Aussies love it's an underdog.
I would've voted for the turd sandwich (Hillary) if I was in the US before the media attacked the giant douche (Trump), now I'm not sure.
One thing I have learned from Aussie pollitics is if Trump gets in the republicans will most likely sack him and put someone else in power.
If thats even legal in America, it has happened in Aus the last three elections.
Alot of people when they saw the heavy bias started to push towards trump. The media may have actually hurt hillary more than help her in the end. Even people who were for Clinton, they started seeing the disgusting bias and said to themselves "what if Trump's claims of being rigged and biased is right? What else could he be right about?" Even if his claims were completely bogus, the media gave them validity to many people.
Even myself, who would have never voted hillary anyways, was shocked to see the sheer magnitude of the bias. Turned me off even more towards Clinton.
As for booting trump if he is elected. That is tough in the states, the red tape is close to endless. The aussie government still has some nuts and swagger about them, they don't put up with alot compared to here. (Though this opinion is from an outside perspective I could have it all wrong, that doesn't change the fact it would be a damn fight to remove a president here)
I will never forget when I read an article about something the old prime minister said...and I can't remember what it was over. All I remember was the sum of what happened. A group of people were whining about something nonsensical, and the prime minister said out right "This is how we were founded, this is what we are, don't like it, the door is to the left"...of course she said she didn't want the people to leave and they were free to have their beliefs, live in harmony with everyone else.
However, she then reiterated, we aren't changing shit...so if it is that horrible to, exit stage left lol. I was like...."Damn right!! You go girl!!"
Here if that would have happened...it would have caused a media storm, and there would be another idiotic law passed so they don't lose any votes. A good parent says no, a bad parent always says yes, and we see how those kids turn out in the end.
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but the fact is Clinton doesn't actively court scandal like Trump.
This is not a fact nor reality (only a liberal convenient pseudo fact) The Clintons have been heavily involved in countless number of scandals since bill was president and it hasn't stopped.
Even beyond the fact Hillary is not Bill and the fact that there are only a handful of at all likely ones (excluding, for example, the claim that the former head of the UK Labour Party moonlights as a fixer for the Clintons), she still doesn't court scandal like Trump. Trump's entire platform is based on getting free advertising from saying outrageous things. Accurately reporting what he says is not bias.
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One thing I have learned from Aussie pollitics is if Trump gets in the republicans will most likely sack him and put someone else in power.
If thats even legal in America, it has happened in Aus the last three elections.
That isn't how it works here. Congress could try to impeach him, but the Republicans can't just fire him. Impeachment is like an indictment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
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Thanks for clarifying.
One year I voted for Rudd, then they sacked him and put Gillard in, then she was sacked and Rudd was put back in only to lose the election to Abbott, who was then sacked and replaced by Turnbull.
Needless to say many Australians lost faith in the system.
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Pretty much like BHS said. They wouldn't need to impeach him. A president isn't the same thing as a dictator. Democrats hate him. And Republicans hate him. They owned surround him like white blood cells on a bacteria. It would be a very gridlocked but entertaining 4 years.
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It couldn't possibly be more gridlocked than it has already been.
I'm glad we don't have all those crazy shenanigans. Unless the person elected is charged with a crime, the people's vote should be honored.
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If Hilary went on the media and talked/apologized/whatever about her emails the week the investigation started, rather than letting speculation simmer for months, she would have ended up much better off.
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If Hilary went on the media and talked/apologized/whatever about her emails the week the investigation started, rather than letting speculation simmer for months, she would have ended up much better off.
Politicians live in a strange world with different logic.
For example gay marriage. We have footage of her on TV stating in no uncertain terms that she was opposed to this. During this election she's been challenged on it. I would think a reasonable response would be. 'oh I've grown as a person and I now see the value in it'. Or 'well I'm still opposed but my job is to represent the will of the people.' instead she chose to pull a Trump and deny she said the thing we clearly saw her say on TV.
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If Hilary went on the media and talked/apologized/whatever about her emails the week the investigation started, rather than letting speculation simmer for months, she would have ended up much better off.
Politicians live in a strange world with different logic.
For example gay marriage. We have footage of her on TV stating in no uncertain terms that she was opposed to this. During this election she's been challenged on it. I would think a reasonable response would be. 'oh I've grown as a person and I now see the value in it'. Or 'well I'm still opposed but my job is to represent the will of the people.' instead she chose to pull a Trump and deny she said the thing we clearly saw her say on TV.
What I still don't get about all of this, is that people hate Clinton for being a liar, but seem to find that sort of thing charming when Trump does it. (not saying that you are one of those people, just in general)
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If Hilary went on the media and talked/apologized/whatever about her emails the week the investigation started, rather than letting speculation simmer for months, she would have ended up much better off.
Politicians live in a strange world with different logic.
For example gay marriage. We have footage of her on TV stating in no uncertain terms that she was opposed to this. During this election she's been challenged on it. I would think a reasonable response would be. 'oh I've grown as a person and I now see the value in it'. Or 'well I'm still opposed but my job is to represent the will of the people.' instead she chose to pull a Trump and deny she said the thing we clearly saw her say on TV.
What I still don't get about all of this, is that people hate Clinton for being a liar, but seem to find that sort of thing charming when Trump does it. (not saying that you are one of those people, just in general)
Yeah, voter psychology is an odd thing. It's almost like a religion which I'm sure they intend.
I'm not a Clinton supporter but even more I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm very aware that he lies roughly 3 times more than Clinton does. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
I can't find the link but I think I read somewhere that Hillary is just slightly more honest in her statements than other politicians.
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I can't find the link but I think I read somewhere that Hillary is just slightly more honest in her statements than other politicians.
Your're kidding right??? She is a corrupt liar
1) Clintons turn IRS into ‘gestapo’
Few federal agencies are more feared and loathed by Americans than the Internal Revenue Service – especially when corrupt presidents abuse the power of the IRS to harass and exact revenge on political enemies. As WND has reported, during Bill Clinton’s terms in office, IRS audits were conducted against individuals and groups who caused problems for the administration. Several prominent conservative groups found themselves facing IRS audits following their criticism of the president and his policies. Among the conservative groups targeted for audits were the Heritage Foundation, the National Rifle Association, Concerned Women of America, Citizens Against Government Waste, National Review, American Spectator (which was burglarized three times), the National Center for Public Policy Research, the American Policy Center, American Cause, Citizens for Honest Government, Progress and Freedom Foundation, David Horowitz’s Center for the Study of Popular Culture and the Western Journalism Center.
Individuals singled out for audits during the administration included Clinton paramours Gennifer Flowers and Liz Ward Gracen, sexual assault accusers Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick, fired White House Travel Office Director Billy Dale and attorney Kent Masterson Brown. Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, an outspoken critic of both Bill and Hillary Clinton, said he was audited three times during the Clinton presidency.
A 1996 survey by the Washington Times could not identify a single liberal public policy organization that had been audited during the entire Clinton administration.
2) Covering Bill’s dirty deeds
The Clintons have been accused of hiring private investigators to not only dig up dirt on perceived adversaries – such as Juanita Broaddrick, the woman allegedly raped by Bill, and other abused women such as Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones – but to stalk, scare and threaten them. Willey asserts Hillary was behind a campaign of intimidation and harassment against her that fit a pattern employed against numerous other women whose claims of sexual impropriety or assault by Bill Clinton threatened the couple’s political fortunes.
As WND reported, Willey and her husband, Ed, were Democratic activists who founded Virginians for Clinton and helped send Bill and Hillary to the White House in 1992. While serving as a volunteer in the White House and facing financial hard times, Willey says she met with Bill Clinton in the Oval Office to request a paying position. But instead of getting help, she says, she was subjected to “nothing short of serious sexual harassment.” Distraught, Willey fled Clinton’s presence, only to discover that her husband Ed had committed suicide that same tragic afternoon. Later, she was drawn “unwillingly” into the Paula Jones lawsuit, the Ken Starr investigation and impeachment proceedings.
Willey, author of the 2007 book, “Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton,” has claimed the Clinton tag team used mob-style intimidation campaign to keep her silent, even purportedly breaking into her home to steal her memoirs of the events.
Despite Bill’s 20 years of alleged and admitted extra-marital relationships, Hillary famously came to his defense shortly after the Monica Lewinsky affair broke in 1998. Asked about the accusations, the then-first lady said, “Certainly, I believe they’re false. Absolutely.”
Then, in a memorable interview with the “Today” show’s Matt Lauer, she explained years of accusations by women such as Willey, Gennifer Flowers and Dolly Kyle Browning: “Bill and I have been accused of everything, including murder, by some of the very same people who are behind these allegations,” she said, pointing to a “vast right-wing conspiracy. … So from my perspective this is part of a continuing political campaign against my husband.”
What makes a book about Bill and Hillary Clinton so explosive that someone would STEAL it? Kathleen Willey tells America the shocking story in her book, “Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton.”
Later, however, when placed under oath, Bill Clinton admitted to an affair with Flowers, as he did with Lewinksy. But Hillary’s actions, Willey contends, indicated by word and deed that her main concern was to ensure her husband’s proclivities didn’t ruin their political careers.
In her book, Willey cites sources who contend Hillary began engaging private investigators during their time in Arkansas so she could head off any repercussions from her husband’s behavior. The first to be dispatched were her own father and brother when she committed to marry Bill, according to author Jerome Levin in “The Clinton Syndrome.” Bill had left Yale University for Arkansas to teach law, and she went to work in Washington, D.C.
When Bill was governor, Hillary sent out a group of investigators known at the “Truth Squad” to discourage many of her husband’s lovers from going public.
3) Looting the White House
WHITE HOUSE-300When the Clintons left 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in 2001, they reportedly vandalized and looted the White House. Hillary tried to ship furniture to the Clintons’ personal home in Chappaqua, New York. The Clintons came under fire when they reportedly tried to take $190,000 in gifts and furnishings from the presidential mansion. Additionally, the General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, reported that ”damage, theft, vandalism and pranks did occur in the White House complex” during the presidential transition from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush – including the theft of a presidential seal. According to the General Accounting Office, the cost of the White House vandalism reached about $14,000 and included $4,850 to replace computer keyboards with damaged or missing “W” keys. The agency said some of the destruction was intentional, including glue smeared on desks, broken furniture, offices full of trash and graffiti in a men’s restroom stall that disparaged Bush. There were also missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs.
During their time in the White House, the Clintons also reportedly auctioned off and sold taxpayer-financed government goods and services in exchange for political campaign contributions and personal profit. Among the items sold by the Clintons, which Judicial Watch uncovered in various lawsuits, and the media and Congress in their investigations, were: 1) seats on overseas trade missions; 2) export licenses for high technology sales to communist China and elsewhere; 3) commissionerships and judgeships; 4) rides on Air Force One; 5) overnight stays in the White House’s Lincoln Bedroom; 6) graves at Arlington Cemetery; 7) meetings with key Clinton-Gore administration leaders; and other favors.
The Clintons' $1.7 million home in Chappaqua, N.Y., where they attempted to send White House furniture and other items as Clinton left office
The Clintons’ $1.7 million home in Chappaqua, N.Y., where Hillary attempted to send White House furniture and other items as her husband left office in 2001
4) Filegate: FBI files on GOP enemies
top_secretThe Clinton duo was involved in a scandal known as “Filegate” in which they illegally obtaining FBI files on perceived adversaries, most of whom served in previous Republican administrations.
“In an effort to discredit the women who charged President Clinton with sexual misconduct, personal files and papers were illegally obtained and released. The courts found, under the Privacy Act, that the privacy of Linda Tripp and Kathleen Willey had been violated,” a Judicial Watch report said, citing just a few of more than 900 relevant files. Judicial Watch said Hillary had been linked “directly to the center” of the controversy.
The scandal was first detected by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, which investigated the Clintons’ Travelgate caper. The committee found that the FBI files had been improperly accessed by Craig Livingstone, a former bar bouncer Hillary had hired to work in the White House Counsel’s Office. However, Hillary called the whole affair a “completely honest bureaucratic snafu.”
In “Whores: Why and How I Came to Fight the Establishment,” Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch Founder Larry Klayman details the stunning incompetence and corruption of Bill and Hillary Clinton
5) Hillary’s ‘Muslim Brotherhood princess’
Huma Abedin, who served as Hillary’s longtime deputy chief of staff and has worked with her for nearly 20 years, has known ties to the Muslim Brotherhood – a group bent on “destroying Western civilization from within” – and other Islamic supremacists. As WND has extensively reported, the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic supremacist connections not only extend to Abedin’s mother and father, who are both deeply tied to al-Qaida fronts, but to Abedin herself.
As WND reported, a manifesto commissioned by the ruling Saudi Arabian monarchy places the work of an institute that employed Abedin at the forefront of a grand plan to mobilize U.S. Muslim minorities to transform America into a Saudi-style Islamic state, according to Arabic-language researcher Walid Shoebat.
Abedin was an assistant editor for a dozen years for the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs for the Institute for Muslim Minority Affairs. The institute – founded by her late father and currently directed by her mother – is backed by the Muslim World League, an Islamic organization in the Saudi holy city of Mecca that was founded by Muslim Brotherhood leaders. The 2002 Saudi manifesto shows that “Muslim Minority Affairs” – the mobilizing of Muslim communities in the U.S. to spread Islam instead of assimilating into the population – is a key strategy in an ongoing effort to establish Islamic rule in America and a global Shariah, or Islamic law, “in our modern times.”
Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin
WND reported Abedin also was a member of the executive board of the Muslim Student Association, which was identified as a Muslim Brotherhood front group in a 1991 document introduced into evidence during the terror-financing trial of the Texas-based Holy Land Foundation.
At her father’s Saudi-financed Islamic think tank, WND reported, Abedin worked alongside Abdullah Omar Naseef, who is accused of financing al-Qaida fronts. Naseef is deeply connected to the Abedin family.
WND was first to report Huma’s mother, Saleha Abedin, was the official representative of Naseef’s terror-stained Muslim World League in the 1990s.
Shoebat previously reported that as one of 63 leaders of the Muslim Sisterhood, the de facto female version of the Muslim Brotherhood, Saleha Abedin served alongside Nagla Ali Mahmoud, the wife of Muslim Brotherhood figure Mohammed Morsi, Egypt’s now ousted president.
Saleha Abedin and Morsi’s wife both were members of the Sisterhood’s Guidance Bureau, Shoebat found.
WND also recently reported Abedin used emails hosted on HIllary’s private server while she was secretary of state.
6) Vince Foster’s 1993 death
Vince Foster was deputy White House counsel and Hillary’s friend and law partner who had connections to the Travelgate and Whitewater scandals. In 1993, Foster was found dead in a park with a fatal gunshot wound to his mouth. As WND reported, his suicide was the subject of much speculation and three official investigations.
Investigations by the U.S. Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr concluded Foster’s death was a suicide. However, as WND reported in 2003, one of Starr’s key investigators challenged the official line, insisting the probe’s result was predetermined, only a few plotters were required to engineer the result, the crime scene was altered and that major newspaper editors killed stories by reporters pursuing the truth. The Washington Post reported that federal investigators were not allowed to enter Foster’s office after his death, but “White House aides enter[ed] Foster’s office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office.”
In his 2005 book “The Truth about Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, And How Far She’ll Go to Become President,” Edward Klein wrote of Hillary’s involvement in the effort to remove Foster’s files:
The night of [Foster’s] death, Hillary launched one of the most shameful – and illegal – cover-ups of her entire career.
She sent two of her most trusted White House loyalists – Maggie Williams, the First Lady’s chief of staff, and Patsy Thomasson, who was in charge of White House administration – into Foster’s office to retrieve embarrassing and incriminating documents related to Whitewater and Hillary’s other personal affairs. While White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum barred investigators from entering Foster’s office, Maggie Williams, Patsy Thomasson, and Craig Livingston, Hillary’s director of White House security, removed armloads of files and loose-leaf binders.
“In addition, a White House staffer allegedly tampered with the titles of several memos and removed the First Lady’s initials in an effort to erase her role in improper behavior.”
7) Emailgate: ‘She should go to prison for this’
In March 2015, WND reported Hillary kept all her official correspondence as secretary of state, as well as her personal emails, on a private email server located at her home – instead of using the government-mandated process while serving in the high appointed position. Her email system was unsecured for months while she used it for government business, and she did not sign a standard agreement when she left office that promised she had left government property behind.
The Hill reported Hillary did not encrypt her private email service with a digital certificate for the first three months of her tenure as secretary of state.” That was while she was traveling to China, Egypt, Israel, Japan and South Korea.
Several present and former members of the U.S. intelligence community said Hillary’s private email server was a major security risk, and America, going forward, ought to assume enemies of the state all had access to it.
“The name Clinton right on the email handle meant this was not a difficult find,” said John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer, Investors Business Daily reported.
With Hillary making another run for president, don’t get caught up in the lies and spin! In “Hillary Unhinged: In Her Own Words,” find out who the true Hillary is with this raw and humorous collection of quotes that pitilessly underscores her hypocrisy
In April, J. Michael Waller – a longtime consultant to government entities ranging from the secretary of defense to the U.S. Senate to the U.S. Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory – told WND the Russians hack into the U.S. government, and so does any foreign intelligence worth its salt, most likely through Hillary’s private server. Waller said Hillary deserves prison time for insisting on an email system that clearly left the nation vulnerable to attack.
“This is the national-security equivalent of drunken driving,” he said. “She should go to prison for this. When you drink and drive, you know in advance that you’re putting other people in danger. Yet, you think because you’re so smart or so clever or just don’t care, that nothing’s going to happen and then something does, so it’s your fault. This is precisely what she did on the national security sphere.”
Hillary gave 55,000 emails from her private email account to the State Department in December. On March 10, Clinton announced she had deleted 30,000 emails she considered personal. She was warned by Congress way back in 2012 against using a private email account for government business – and her response? Silence.
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Yeah, voter psychology is an odd thing. It's almost like a religion which I'm sure they intend.
I'm not a Clinton supporter but even more I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm very aware that he lies roughly 3 times more than Clinton does. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
I can't find the link but I think I read somewhere that Hillary is just slightly more honest in her statements than other politicians.
Your're kidding right???
http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty
That might be the link. Literally the only reason people think Hillary's especially dishonest is because it's being shouted about everywhere, and if you hear something often enough you start to think there's merit to it. Normally politicians are more mature than to shout "Liar! Crooked!" etc in speeches so it isn't usually an issue.
There's a reason people call this post-truth politics.
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If Hilary went on the media and talked/apologized/whatever about her emails the week the investigation started, rather than letting speculation simmer for months, she would have ended up much better off.
Politicians live in a strange world with different logic.
For example gay marriage. We have footage of her on TV stating in no uncertain terms that she was opposed to this. During this election she's been challenged on it. I would think a reasonable response would be. 'oh I've grown as a person and I now see the value in it'. Or 'well I'm still opposed but my job is to represent the will of the people.' instead she chose to pull a Trump and deny she said the thing we clearly saw her say on TV.
What I still don't get about all of this, is that people hate Clinton for being a liar, but seem to find that sort of thing charming when Trump does it. (not saying that you are one of those people, just in general)
Yeah, voter psychology is an odd thing. It's almost like a religion which I'm sure they intend.
I'm not a Clinton supporter but even more I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm very aware that he lies roughly 3 times more than Clinton does. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
I can't find the link but I think I read somewhere that Hillary is just slightly more honest in her statements than other politicians.
Your're kidding right???
I don't know what to tell you. I'm just looking at the hard numbers here. If you have a reason to think the numbers are wrong by all means let me know.
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What, ain't his incredulity enough for you? lol
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8) Chinagate: Sale of high-tech secrets
Chinagate, documented by Judicial Watch, was uncovered by Judicial Watch founder Larry Klayman. Technology companies allegedly made donations of millions of dollars to various Democratic Party entities, including President Bill Clinton’s 1996 re-election campaign, in return for permission to sell high-tech secrets to China. B
ernard Schwartz and his Loral Space & Communication Ltd. later allegedly “helped China to identify the cause of [a rocket failure], thereby advancing China’s missile program and threatening U.S. national security,” according to records.
In a 2013 column titled “Proof Hillary isn’t fit to be president,” Klayman wrote:
Not to be outdone by her prior scandals, Hillary … masterminded a scheme whereby the Clinton-Gore presidential campaign of 1996 took bribes from communist Chinese banks and their government to bankroll the president’s and the Democratic Party’s re-election efforts when it appeared, due to their low standing in the polls, that all the stops needed to be pulled out. It was the lawsuit that I brought against Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown, where at Hillary’s instruction, he literally sold seats on Department trade missions to China and elsewhere, which principally uncovered this. In late 1996 and early 1997, the scandal had burgeoned to such a level that joint congressional hearings were empaneled, ultimately to be shut down when Democrats uncovered illegal fundraising by some Republicans. The two parties, faced with mutual assured destruction, simply took an exit stage left. However, I soldiered on with my lawsuit. And, while I uncovered a lot about Bonnie and Clyde and their Chinese ‘friends,’ this scandal ultimately took back seat to the Monica Lewinsky scandal, since the media preferred sex to foreign espionage and graft. Hillary and Bill were ironically saved by Monica, who became the lightening rod drawing attention away to what at the time was perhaps the biggest scandal – Chinagate – in American history.
9) Travelgate: Always room for friends
In the Travelgate scandal, the staff of the White House travel office was fired to make way for Clinton cronies, including Bill’s 25-year-old cousin, who was reportedly promised the position of office director.
Hillary allegedly fired seven employees and gave the positions to her Arkansas friends. According to the Washington Post, there was an effort to award a White House airline contract to a Clinton friend.
Also, Hillary reportedly had the FBI investigate the former head of the travel office, Billy Dale, who was fired without notice and removed from White House grounds. Dale was charged with embezzlement but found not guilty of the crime in 1995. He was later audited by the IRS.
10) Whitewater: Jail for friends, but not Clintons
The Whitewater investigation by independent counsel Kenneth Starr began in 1994 with accusations of impropriety against the Clintons and others concerning improper campaign contributions, political and financial favors, and tax benefits. Its initial subject was a failed Arkansas real-estate venture involving the Clintons in the 1980s that was linked to the collapse of Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan, a Little Rock savings bank run by the Clintons’ Whitewater business partners. Clinton friends James and Susan McDougal went to jail for fraud (James died while serving his sentence), as did former Arkansas Gov. Jim Tucker and municipal judges David Hale and Eugene Fitzhugh.
The probe eventually expanded to include the death of deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster, the dismissal of White House travel office employees, receipt by the White House of a number of FBI files and the issue of whether President Clinton lied or obstructed justice to hide an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
1) ‘Landing under sniper fire’ in Bosnia
In her March 17, 2008, foreign-policy speech on Iraq, then-Sen. Hillary Clinton recalled a trip she made to Tuzla, Bosnia, in 1996.
“I remember landing under sniper fire,” Hillary said of her visit while she was first lady. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
But news footage of her visit revealed her “sniper fire” claim wasn’t just exaggerated. It was completely false. And Hillary had repeated the claim several times, including during her time on the presidential campaign trail in 2007.
Rather, Hillary landed on a tarmac and greeted a crowd, including an 8-year-old child who gave her a poem, under no duress. According to the Washington Post, a review of more than 100 news articles revealed no security threats to Hillary at the time.
After the 2008 speech, Hillary was asked about her statements, and she stood by them: “There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened.”
But, a week later, Hillary told the Philadelphia Daily News that she “misspoke.” Hillary claimed she had been told there was a threat of sniper fire in the area.
The following day, she declared: “So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I’m human, which for some people is a revelation.”
12) Hillary’s ‘missing’ law firm billing records
In 1994, federal investigators subpoenaed Hillary’s billing records from her days as a partner in the Rose Law firm during the Watergate scandal. The White House said it didn’t have the 115 pages of files.
While Hillary claimed she had a minor role in the affair, the Washington Examiner reported that “when the records mysteriously turned up in the White House in 1996, they showed she met repeatedly with key figures in the scandal.”
13) Pardongate: Hillary Senate contributions
Before Bill Clinton left the White House in 2001, he granted numerous controversial pardons – including to convicted tax evader Marc Rich, whose wife made significant contributions to Hillary’s 2000 Senate campaign and the Clinton presidential library.
The Associated Press reported that Rich had been “indicted by a U.S. federal grand jury on more than 50 counts of fraud, racketeering, trading with Iran during the U.S. Embassy hostage crisis and evading more than $48 million in income taxes – crimes that could have earned him more than 300 years in prison.” Rich fled to Switzerland in 1983 after his indictment and remained on the FBI’s Most Wanted List until President Clinton pardoned him.
Also, Hillary’s brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, reportedly received large amounts of money from people who were pardoned by Bill Clinton. Hillary said she and Bill were unaware of the scheme.
Accuracy in Media reported, “Hugh Rodham, Hillary’s brother, was taking money and promising access to help get pardons. Two such high profile cases were those of drug kingpin Carlos Vignali and convicted swindler Glenn Braswell. Rodham received hundreds of thousands of dollars from each, and they were both granted pardons. Rodham was quoted as telling a top White House aide that the pardon for Vignali was ‘very important’ to Hillary.”
14) Hillary’s cash cows and 9,987 percent profit
In March 1994, it was revealed Hillary – with no previous experience – had made massive profits from cattle futures trading between 1978 and 1979, when Bill Clinton’s salary as Arkansas attorney general had been modest. She reportedly made $99,537 in profit on a $1,000 investment (a 9,987 percent profit) in just nine months because of a highly placed connection at Tyson Foods, which was the largest employer in Arkansas and a big Clinton donor.
The New York Times reported: “During Mr. Clinton’s tenure as Governor, Tyson benefited from several state decisions, including favorable environmental rulings, $9 million in state loans, and the placement of company executives on important state boards. … The commodities trades were the most successful investment the Clintons ever made. The nearly $100,000 profit enabled them to buy a house, invest in securities and real estate and provide a nest egg for their daughter, Chelsea.”
15) Clinton body count: ‘You find dead people’
“The Clinton body count,” first published in WND and later circulated by Linda Tripp to Monica Lewinsky, is a collection of names of people associated with Clinton administration scandals who have died mysterious and often violent deaths. Reporter David Bresnahan broke the story of the list during the summer of 1997 while researching his book, “Cover Up: The Art and Science of Political Deception.”
“I started looking into all the various deaths of people that were involved in various Clinton scandals,” Bresnahan said. “I started to investigate the entire picture instead of just one focused event.
“Nobody out there was putting it all together,” he said. “If you look at one scandal, you’ll find one dead guy. When you investigate all Clinton scandals, you find similarities, you find common tactics, you find common actions and you find dead people.”
The list was not just a source of terror among sworn enemies of the administration. It was an even greater terror for those close to Clinton – for those closest, it appeared, died younger and more inexplicably than those on the outside looking in.
In his research, Bresnahan came up with more than one list.
“Not only did I find a list of dead people, but I also found that there are over 100 people who have refused to testify,” he said at the time.
“There is also a list of people who have gone to jail. There are 45 people who have gone to jail, some of them White House staff, Cabinet members as well as people from the Justice Department. So many of those (lists) developed when I started to pursue the big picture.”
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16) Hillary’s radical pal, Saul Alinsky
As WND has reported, the exact nature and extent of Hillary’s relationship with radical community organizer Saul Alinsky has long been the subject of speculation and intrigue. The interest has been largely fueled by her suppressed and later released 92-page senior thesis for Wellesley College offering an extensive, largely positive critique of Alinsky and his work.
WND recently found that long after Alinsky’s death in June 1972, a group Clinton co-chaired maintained a working relationship with Alinsky’s main community organizing outfit, the Industrial Areas Foundation, or IAF.
The partnership extended into the 1990s and yielded influence over the education policy of the Clinton presidency. Dick Morris, a former top political adviser to Bill Clinton both as governor of Arkansas and as president, noted to WND that education reform “is the key issue Hillary Clinton used to propel herself independently to the forefront of Arkansas politics during Bill’s governorship.”
“The revelation of how closely linked her efforts were back in the 80s – and have been since – to an Alinsky radical front group is deeply disturbing and expands our understanding of Hillary’s fundamental radicalism and commitment to the new left of Saul Alinsky,” Morris said.
Hillary was said to have met with Alinsky several times in 1968, when she was writing her thesis. In her most recent memoir, Hillary wrote that she rejected a job offer from Alinsky to instead attend law school.
The Hillary-Alinsky relationship received more media attention last September, when the Washington Free Beacon uncovered direct correspondence between Clinton and Alinsky from the archives of Alinsky’s IAF. The correspondence dates to the summer of 1971, when the 23-year-old Clinton was living in Berkeley, California, and interning at the law firm Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. In a July 8, 1971, letter to Alinsky marked “personal,” Hillary wrote: “Dear Saul, When is that new book [Rules for Radicals] coming out – or has it come and I somehow missed the fulfillment of Revelation?
“I have just had my one-thousandth conversation about Reveille [for Radicals] and need some new material to throw at people,” she wrote, referring to a 1948 Alinsky treatise on community organizing.
The Free Beacon’s Alana Goodman noted the letter documents Hillary and Alinsky had kept in touch since she entered Yale and that Alinsky even offered her advice on campus activism.
Hillary wrote that she missed their regular conversations and asked if Alinsky would be able to meet her the next time he was in California.
“I am living in Berkeley and working in Oakland for the summer and would love to see you,” she wrote. “Let me know if there is any chance of our getting together.”
17) Hillary laughs about defending child rapist
As WND reported, Hillary explained her defense of a child-rape suspect as just part of the job. But she hasn’t explained her laughing about his passing of a lie-detector test, which “destroyed” her faith in such evaluations.
“Once I was appointed I fulfilled that obligation,” she said in an interview with Mumsnet, a U.K. community of parents providing and sharing information on a variety of subjects and issues.
In the video she is asked, “As a lawyer, you defended the rapist of a 12-year-old girl, calling the victim ’emotionally unstable’ and saying that girls have a tendency to ‘exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences especially when they come from disorganized families.'”
Comments?
Clinton said: “When I was a 27-year-old attorney doing legal aid work at the law school where I taught in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I was appointed by the local judge to represent a criminal defendant accused of rape. I asked to be relieved of that responsibility. But I was not and I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did.
“He later pled guilty to a lesser included offense. When you’re a lawyer you often don’t have the choice as to who you will represent, and by the very nature of criminal law there will be those who you represent you don’t approve of, but at least in our system, you have an obligation and once I was appointed, I fulfilled that obligation.”
However, she did not address the reports of unearthed recordings in which she almost boasts of knowing of her client’s guilt and laughing about the case. The tapes reveal her discussing the case of Thomas Alfred Taylor, then 41, who was accused of raping a 12-year-old in Springdale, Arkansas, on May 10, 1975.
“It was a fascinating case, it was a very interesting case,” Clinton said on the tape. “This guy was accused of raping a 12-year-old. Course he claimed that he didn’t, and all this stuff. … I had him take a polygraph, which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” She laughed at the statement.
Listen to the audio of the interview, its on youtube
The Washington Free Beacon report on the recordings also confirmed she was laughing several other times while discussing the case, including “when discussing the crime lab’s accidental destruction of DNA evidence that tied Taylor to the crime.”
Published profiles of the case reveal that Clinton’s strategy at the time was to attack the 12-year-old. She submitted an affidavit that said she was told the girl was “emotionally unstable” and was viewed as having a “tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing.” She claimed the child “in the past made false accusations” and she exhibited “an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
The woman who says she was raped by the defendant blasted Hillary in 2014, accusing her of intentionally lying about her in court documents. “Hillary Clinton took me through hell,” she told the Daily Beast.
18) Hill ca$hes in: Iranian fundraising
Former Clinton fundraiser Nemazee received a 12-year prison sentence
Former Clinton fundraiser Hassan Nemazee received a 12-year prison sentence in 2010
As WND recently reported, Hillary received funds from an arm of the Iranian government and hired a convicted Iranian-American multimillionaire with ties to Tehran as her national campaign finance director in 2008. The Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation accepted $30,000 between April 2005 and March 2006 and another contribution of between $25,000 and $50,000 in 2008 from the New York-based Alavi Foundation, which U.S. government prosecutors have identified as an arm of the Iranian government.
For her 2008 presidential campaign, Clinton hired Hassan Nemazee as her national campaign finance director, who was known for his efforts to normalize relations with the theocratic Iranian regime. In 2010, Nemazee pleaded guilty to running a Ponzi scheme in which he obtained $292 million in fraudulent loans. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
In his explosive bestseller, “Clinton Cash,” Peter Schweizer follows the Clinton money trail, revealing the connection between their personal fortune, their “close personal friends,” the Clinton Foundation, foreign nations and some of the highest ranks of government.
Rachel Ehrenfeld, director of the American Center for Democracy, spelled out the problem with the Clinton Foundation receiving funds from the Alavi Foundation in a Jan. 5, 2009, article published by Forbes.
“Alavi’s contribution [in 2008] to Clinton came just two days after the Treasury Department also designated Alavi’s partner, the New York-based Assa Corp., as a terrorist entity, and the New York Southern District’s attorney seized and forfeited its assets,” Ehrenfeld wrote.
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19) Clinton Foundation: Scandals keep coming
As WND reported, the Clintons appear to have siphoned off tens of millions of dollars annually from funds the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation has received from a United Nations-sponsored program that uses levies on airline tickets to help HIV/AIDs victims in the Third World, charges Wall Street analyst and investor Charles Ortel. The Clinton Foundation also reportedly distributed useless drugs to AIDS patients in Third-World countries.
Although Hillary was appointed to the board of directors of the Clinton Foundation in 2013, after she had resigned as secretary of state, Ortel contends she is complicit in what he has described as systematic financial fraud warranting a criminal investigation.
After months of tedious investigation, Ortel has concluded the foundation has filed financial and tax forms that were materially misleading, incomplete and in error with the goal of enriching the Clintons and their close associates. Ortel alleges Hillary advanced an “inurement” scheme – enriching oneself through a nonprofit organization – in complicity with her husband by positioning various key associates within the Clinton Foundation structure while she served as U.S. senator from New York and subsequently as secretary of state under President Obama.
“Ongoing analysis of legally required public disclosures reveals that while Mrs. Clinton served as director, the Clinton Foundation and its principal constituent elements, filed false and materially misleading tax returns with the IRS and with other governmental authorities, for multiple years,” Ortel charges in his second report on alleged Clinton Foundation mismanagement.
As WND also recently reported, based on Ortel’s findings, a prominent lawyer and a top government watchdog in the nation’s capital are calling for the Clinton Foundation to be shut down.
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In April, the New York Times reported, “Cash flowed to Clinton Foundation as Russians pressed for control of uranium company.”
Hillary has said, “I am very proud of the work the Foundation does,” but just 9 percent of the Foundation’s money went to charity in 2013. Fox News’ John Stossel noted, “Charity Navigator, the biggest charity rating service, won’t even list the Clinton Foundation in its rankings. This is repulsive. If a Republican candidate ran a charity that did that, it would be a scandal. But the Clintons must be immune.”
WND reported Sunday that before Hillary completed her first year as President Obama’s secretary of state, Ortel calculates $17 million went missing from Clinton Foundation financial reports.
The New York Post recently reported Hillary’s former chief of staff and counselor, Cheryl Mills, “knows where the bodies are buried” in many Clinton scandals, has been at Hillary’s side since the 1990s and “has a long track record of hiding Clinton documents.” According to the Post, Hillary gave her the job of “identifying and preserving all emails that could potentially be federal records.” The Post added, “And, presumably, deleting.” Mills, who has officially been accused of perjury and obstruction of justice, is a key member of the Clinton Foundation board.
Benghazi20) Benghazi: 4 American lives lost
On Sept. 11, 2012, while Hillary was secretary of state, Islamic militants attacked a U.S. special mission in Benghazi, Libya, and murdered U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and U.S. Foreign Service Information Management officer Sean Smith. Two CIA contractors, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, were also killed.
In the months leading up to the attack, Hillary’s State Department cut security in Libya. Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., accused Hillary of “dereliction of duty” that led to the deaths of the four Americans.
“The State Department not only failed to honor repeated requests for additional security, but instead actually reduced security in Libya,” Johnson wrote in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “Although no one can say with certainty, I firmly believe a relatively small contingent of armed military guards would have prevented the attack, and those four lives would not have been lost.”
In “The REAL Benghazi Story: What the White House and Hillary Don’t Want You to Know,” New York Times bestselling author Aaron Klein provides shocking details about the central role Hillary Clinton actually played in the scandal
As WND reported, a security decision finalized personally by Hillary may have unwittingly doomed the Americans in Benghazi. Hillary herself signed waivers that allowed the facility to be legally occupied, since it did not meet the minimum official security standards set by the State Department. The waiver legally allowed the CIA annex to be housed in a location about one mile from the U.S. special mission.
According to accounts from Benghazi survivors, the delayed response time by those at the CIA annex may have cost the lives of Stevens and the three other Americans killed at the special mission. If the CIA annex had been co-located with the U.S. special mission, a rapid response team would have been on site during the initial assault in which Stevens was killed. Clinton’s waiver allowed the CIA annex to be housed at the separate location.
As WND also reported, State Department emails show Clinton knew while the attack was under way that it was being carried out by terrorists.
Judicial Watch has obtained previously classified documents from the U.S. Department of Defense and the Department of State revealing that DOD almost immediately reported that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was planned and carried out by al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood-linked terrorists. A federal court ordered the government hand over more than 100 pages of previously secret documents that showed then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other senior Obama officials were given reports within hours of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack. In those memos, the DOD described details of a plan 10 days in advance “to kill as many Americans as possible.”
Nonetheless, Hillary falsely blamed it on “rage and violence over an awful Internet video” when she spoke at a ceremony at Andrews Air Force Base on Sept. 14, 2012, as the remains of the four Americans were returned to the U.S.
To this day, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., says the State Department has failed to comply with requests for information about Benghazi.
21) Peter Franklin Paul: Another Hillary friend goes to prison
Hillary Clinton greets Peter Paul at Hollywood gala in August 2000 (Courtesy Peter F. Paul)
Hillary Clinton greets Peter Paul at Hollywood gala in August 2000 (Courtesy Peter F. Paul)
As WND reported, Hillary was named in a lawsuit brought by Peter Franklin Paul for allegedly directing to her 2000 Senate campaign an illegal, in-kind contribution from Paul that included a fundraiser at the exclusive Spago restaurant in Beverly Hills, a tea hosted at the Beverly Hills home of socialite Cynthia Gershman and a lavish, A-list, million-dollar-plus Hollywood gala honoring Bill Clinton. At the trial of Clinton’s finance director for the 2000 senatorial campaign, David Rosen, the government told the jury Paul personally gave more than $1.2 million to produce the events.
Paul, a former business partner of Spider-Man creator Stan Lee who sued Bill for fraud and accused Hillary of hiding nearly $2 million in Senate campaign donations, alleged they sabotaged the media company he formed with Lee to get out of a $17 million agreement made with Bill Clinton to serve as an international promoter for the company after he left the White House. Paul was indicted in June 2001 for manipulating the price of the stock in his company, Stan Lee Media, as it was collapsing. A judge determined Paul didn’t profit from the attempt to save his company, but he accepted a plea bargain and served three years in prison. WND reported in 2012 that Paul charged Attorney General Eric Holder and his Justice Department obstructed justice by reneging on a sentencing agreement.
“Hillary is carrying out her promise to finally destroy my family to punish me for exposing the corruption that elected her to the Senate,” Paul told WND at the time.
The Clintons were effusive in their praise of Paul until just days after an August 2000 Hollywood gala, when the Washington Post reported Paul’s 1970s criminal convictions in a story that accused the senator of being soft on crime. Clinton continued, however, to quietly solicit money from Paul and sent him letters expressing friendship. Paul has extensive video corroborating his contention he and Hillary spent hours together and sat next to each other at the fundraising events.
22) Watergate: Fired for being a ‘liar’
Hillary actually played a role in the Watergate saga, and her actions as a young attorney may have set the tone for her career.
The 27-year-old Clinton was fired from the staff of the House Judiciary committee investigating the Watergate scandal in 1974. She was fired by her supervisor, lifelong Democrat Jerry Zeifman, who called her a liar and much worse.
“She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer,” he said. “She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
Zeifman also refused to give Clinton a letter of recommendation, making her one of only three employees he snubbed during his 17-year career.
Hillary Clinton and Princess Lalla Meryem wearing Moroccan caftan
Hillary Clinton and Princess Lalla Meryem wearing Moroccan caftan
Bonus!
Gift-gate: Hillary blasted former Clinton adviser Dick Morris when he alleged in a New York Post article that the former first lady hadn’t disclosed “three or four” pricey handbags from designer Judith Leiber worth more than $3,000 each, five dresses received from the king of Morocco (one of which Hillary was seen wearing), a gold bracelet Chelsea Clinton accepted in India and other gifts Hillary was given during the Clinton administration.
Morris wrote, “Hillary Clinton got many expensive and personal gifts during her eight years as first lady and never disclosed them.”
A Clinton aide acknowledged the handbags were given to Hillary, but he said one was received before the inauguration, another was listed on a 1994 disclosure form and others were turned over to the National Archives. He said four dresses were returned to the king, and Hillary gave the fifth dress to the National Archives after she wore it. The aide claimed the bracelet was also sent to the National Archives.
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http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/watchdog-names-clinton-most-corrupt-politician-of-2015/
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I'm aware of these. Some of these are smoke. Some are fire. Like I said, I'm not a Hillary supporter. I don't have a candidate this election.
The point I was making is that when Hillary is up on the podium giving a speech or debating her statements are true much more often than Trump's. Nothing more.
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Are you seriously using World Nut Daily as a source? And Larry Klayman, how'd his class action against black people go?
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Are you seriously using World Nut Daily as a source? And Larry Klayman, how'd his class action against black people go?
I could use any source you like. Have you actually done any research on the woman..... there are literaly are hundreds of thousands of independent lists of scandals, some proven correct, some highly suspect.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-wasserman-shultz-dnc/2016/07/27/id/740820/
Would you like a list of lists?
Can you use google?
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/08/06/25-reasons-not-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-n2202375
can you use youtube?
https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot/videos
Ever seen any news that does not originate from the USA?
Maybe even a bit of FOX news?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/
The Clinton's are BENT
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Are you seriously using World Nut Daily as a source? And Larry Klayman, how'd his class action against black people go?
I could use any source you like. Have you actually done any research on the woman..... their are hundreds of independent lists of scandals, some proven correct, some highly suspect.
The Clinton's are BENT
Have you done any research on the woman from sources that aren't right wing? The Saul Alinsky shit is just kooky!
She wasn't fired from the Watergate investigation, that was made up by Jerry Zeifman for a book he wrote.
Was she laughing at the rape victim, or the bullshit that is "lie detector" tests? (which are known to be pseudoscience anyway)
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Have you done any research on the woman from sources that aren't Left wing and paid off?
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Have you done any research on the woman from sources that aren't Left wing and paid off?
She's obviously a shill paid by the Fifth International.
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Srsly though, you really can't call anyone's research abilities into question after extensively quoting the World Nut Daily.
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Srsly though, you really can't call anyone's research abilities into question after extensively quoting the World Nut Daily.
I chose a list, any list..... there are many, many, many to chose from. no smoke without fire etc....
I have seen enough. The heavily leftist media is biased to shit, Trump was getting murdered by them until very recently after so many called them out on the obvious bias. She nearly got a free ride with the media. Its laughable.
I thought you were a flat earther who believe the government is corrupt and covering shit up.....
They are! It aint the damn shape of the planet.
Hillary is a career politician who says one thing to get the votes and means another, just like every other, except the payroll is so corrupt and twisted that you should probably get wise invest in a bunker and a few years supply of non perishables if the gets the keys to the white house.
Have you done any research on the woman from sources that aren't Left wing and paid off?
She's obviously a shill paid by the Fifth International.
Have you seen the Wikileaks Email stuff?
Have you seen who is on the Clinton's payroll?
Have you any idea about the Clinton foundations less charitable side? have you seen the people and the sums of money donated?
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Wednesday can not come quick enough for me.
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Srsly though, you really can't call anyone's research abilities into question after extensively quoting the World Nut Daily.
I chose a list, any list..... there are many, many, many to chose from. no smoke without fire etc....
Sometimes it's a smoke bomb!
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
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Wednesday can not come quick enough for me.
This. This is the post that contains the most truth out of all the posts.
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
For real. I hope, no matter who wins, people accept the results and don't lose their fricking minds.
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
Every election is the end of the world and it always turns out OK in the long haul.
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Srsly though, you really can't call anyone's research abilities into question after extensively quoting the World Nut Daily.
I chose a list, any list..... there are many, many, many to chose from. no smoke without fire etc....
Sometimes it's a smoke bomb!
are you ok with this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-isis-same-money-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html
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Yeah, I'm okay with that, as far as Hillary Clinton goes. She didn't donate to ISIS. Are you upset that they wanted to put pressure on these countries for clandestinely supporting terrorists? I'm sure the govt does stuff like that all the time. It's called diplomacy.
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Yeah, I'm okay with that, as far as Hillary Clinton goes. She didn't donate to ISIS. Are you upset that they wanted to put pressure on these countries for clandestinely supporting terrorists? I'm sure the govt does stuff like that all the time. It's called diplomacy.
Ok lets take this further.... Still ok?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
Nothing to worry about. We haven't had a civil war over the presidential election in nearly 150 years.
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Yeah, I'm okay with that, as far as Hillary Clinton goes. She didn't donate to ISIS. Are you upset that they wanted to put pressure on these countries for clandestinely supporting terrorists? I'm sure the govt does stuff like that all the time. It's called diplomacy.
Ok lets take this further.... Still ok?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html
None of that seems like new information. We've known the Saudis were funding terrorists for years, but one US administration after the next (regardless of party) have decided they are important allies. They didn't just start being our allies once Obama came into office, this has been going on for a very long time.
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Yeah, I'm okay with that, as far as Hillary Clinton goes. She didn't donate to ISIS. Are you upset that they wanted to put pressure on these countries for clandestinely supporting terrorists? I'm sure the govt does stuff like that all the time. It's called diplomacy.
Ok lets take this further.... Still ok?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html
None of that seems like new information. We've known the Saudis were funding terrorists for years, but one US administration after the next (regardless of party) have decided they are important allies. They didn't just start being our allies once Obama came into office, this has been going on for a very long time.
Did you even read the article?
for those who think the Clinton campaign is a fair one
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DNCleak2?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Can we wrap this up? I'm going to go vote first thing in the morning. ;D
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Take some advice from Obama. The last few years have been tough. Time for some entertainment. Vote Trump:
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
Nothing to worry about. We haven't had a civil war over the presidential election in nearly 150 years.
I've actually got a running bet of $500 with my mate, of theres no civil war by 2017 I win $500, if there is I gotta pay up.
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
Nothing to worry about. We haven't had a civil war over the presidential election in nearly 150 years.
I've actually got a running bet of $500 with my mate, of theres no civil war by 2017 I win $500, if there is I gotta pay up.
In Australia or here?
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Hope things turn out alright whatever happens, these are turbulent times.
Nothing to worry about. We haven't had a civil war over the presidential election in nearly 150 years.
I've actually got a running bet of $500 with my mate, of theres no civil war by 2017 I win $500, if there is I gotta pay up.
The joke would be on him then. If America had another civil war our money would probably become severely devalued.
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In the US, he's a massive conspiracy theorist (in the bad kinda sense).
Yeah $500 would be the least of my problems if there was actually a war haha.
I don't believe it for a second anyway, I have too much faith in humans as a species to be torn down by a government like this.
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It is almost impossible a result of an online poll compatibled with real life.
because usually internet people are smarter and have more knowledgeable than people out. The people in real life usually are idiots.
They are going to select a woman who used to Bill to be eaten the balls. Dirty pervets! 8)
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It is almost impossible a result of an online poll compatibled with real life.
because usually internet people are smarter and have more knowledgeable than people out. The people in real life usually are idiots.
They are going to select a woman who used to Bill to be eaten the balls. Dirty pervets! 8)
I'm off his ignore list. Time to make good use of it. Maybe I'm too drunk for this to make sense but I think I'll get the point across.
Intikam, Fuck you and the goat you rode in on. You don't know shit about American politics. You live in a ridiculous country named after a god damn deli meat. Where the people, I can only guess like to eat sand while they're waiting for Russian to install saddles on Erdogan and ride him like a Kentucky Derby. Maybe you would say something about it but you'd be too busy to figure out if it's a giant funny looking goat or not.
Whoever wins this election tomorrow is the commander in chief of the greatest military on the face of the planet. And if it's Donald Trump then, all I have to say is if anyone in your country even so much as dreams about speaking ill of us you better wake up that sum'bitch up and apologize. If it's Hillary well then, surprise cockfag!, it's already too late. She knows where you live and she's coming to kill you personally. She has killed 48 people on record. And she's coming to kill 74.93 million more. Just watch out for pantsuits in the distance.
P.S. when you talk, your mouth look like a small butthole.
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EATEN THE BALLS EATEN THE BALLS!
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She's such a romantic
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I'm off his ignore list. Time to make good use of it. Maybe I'm too drunk for this to make sense but I think I'll get the point across.
Intikam, Fuck you and the goat you rode in on. You don't know shit about American politics. You live in a ridiculous country named after a god damn deli meat. Where the people, I can only guess like to eat sand while they're waiting for Russian to install saddles on Erdogan and ride him like a Kentucky Derby. Maybe you would say something about it but you'd be too busy to figure out if it's a giant funny looking goat or not.
Whoever wins this election tomorrow is the commander in chief of the greatest military on the face of the planet. And if it's Donald Trump then, all I have to say is if anyone in your country even so much as dreams about speaking ill of us you better wake up that sum'bitch up and apologize. If it's Hillary well then, surprise cockfag!, it's already too late. She knows where you live and she's coming to kill you personally. She has killed 48 people on record. And she's coming to kill 74.93 million more. Just watch out for pantsuits in the distance.
P.S. when you talk, your mouth look like a small butthole.
Best post I've read here in a long time. Well done.
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Why do you people mock the Poles? What did the Polish people ever do to you?
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Crutonius won the internet for 2016. Votes are in. There will be no recount. It's over. Good night, everyone. Better luck next time.
Supremely awesome. Cockfag.
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Why do you people mock the Poles? What did the Polish people ever do to you?
My great grand father was Polish. At least we think he may have been. You bunch of racists.
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What a nail biter. Got to dvr this though. Hopefully the internet doesn't spoil it for me.
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Polacks are people too! Quit this mockery at once!
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according to New York Times, Trump has gone from 20% chance of winning to about 75%
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according to New York Times, Trump has gone from 20% chance of winning to about 75%
This is the news we're getting in Aus.
(https://s13.postimg.org/d8g8lpyyr/Screenshot_20161109_111516.png) (https://postimg.org/image/d8g8lpyyr/)
Colour me surprised.
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It seems he has florida now, up 1% with 99.2% of votes counted.
pennslevania is the big surprise to me.
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What a nail biter. Got to dvr this though. Hopefully the internet doesn't spoil it for me.
Hillary is giving her concession speech.
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Yep..... I would like to pull up the post where I said this was going to be brexit all over again ;D
All these people were watching the polls you gotta watch the sub genre. So glad I put money on this one. The spread was nutty.
But it isn't over yet though AT ALL, but it sure is surprising. All of the media is eating their words right now, that is the most rewarding even if he doesn't win.
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NYT predicts Trump will win 305-233
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Brexit !!!!!!
Don't count your chickens till they hatch though.
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Dude you didn't seriously bet on the US election and post about it online, did you? That's too much. Think of it from the vantage point of someone on the other side... not unlike the (very blue) Venice, CA pot smokers and their "doctors" all up and down the beach bringing in "patients" for any reason at all and if you can pay, you get a card. Disrespectful and harmful to the cause, regardless of medical merit. I really wish it wasn't one side being petty vs the other side being petty. But alas... We've had a lot of cheap partisanship with very little substance from the people who actually want to run the country. And betting on it... Ugh. That's a bridge too far for me. But that's just me.
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Dude you didn't seriously bet on the US election and post about it online, did you? That's too much. Think of it from the vantage point of someone on the other side... not unlike the (very blue) Venice, CA pot smokers and their "doctors" all up and down the beach bringing in "patients" for any reason at all and if you can pay, you get a card. Disrespectful and harmful to the cause, regardless of medical merit. I really wish it wasn't one side being petty vs the other side being petty. But alas... We've had a lot of cheap partisanship with very little substance from the people who actually want to run the country. And betting on it... Ugh. That's a bridge too far for me. But that's just me.
Hmm.. I believe I am failing to catch your point here good sir.
I don't bet, I believe in making my own luck. However, this was one of those random things that happened on a whim. I said there was a hidden under belly of people tired of the status quo and trump was going to rattle them and that the media was full of crap. They were liberal and doing their liberal job as part of the establishment. And some other things I don't remember.
It came to a heated debate where he said put my money where my mouth was, and one thing lead to the other. It's not like it is gonna effect anything with the election??
Anyways, I am sorry boydster it offended you, was not intended to. I am quite politically incorrect. If you hate me over this that sucks, but I respect that.
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Right after Hillary concedes, Trump's first words to her should be you're fired
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Dude you didn't seriously bet on the US election and post about it online, did you? That's too much. Think of it from the vantage point of someone on the other side... not unlike the (very blue) Venice, CA pot smokers and their "doctors" all up and down the beach bringing in "patients" for any reason at all and if you can pay, you get a card. Disrespectful and harmful to the cause, regardless of medical merit. I really wish it wasn't one side being petty vs the other side being petty. But alas... We've had a lot of cheap partisanship with very little substance from the people who actually want to run the country. And betting on it... Ugh. That's a bridge too far for me. But that's just me.
Hmm.. I believe I am failing to catch your point here good sir.
I don't bet, I believe in making my own luck. However, this was one of those random things that happened on a whim. I said there was a hidden under belly of people tired of the status quo and trump was going to rattle them and that the media was full of crap. They were liberal and doing their liberal job as part of the establishment. And some other things I don't remember.
It came to a heated debate where he said put my money where my mouth was, and one thing lead to the other. It's not like it is gonna effect anything with the election??
Anyways, I am sorry boydster it offended you, was not intended to. I am quite politically incorrect. If you hate me over this that sucks, but I respect that.
No hate, trust me. I really think no matter what happens, the little people like you and me are at a disadvantage if we turn against each other. I only commented about betting on the outcome and announcing it online. I respect your viewpoint. I might disagree on some points, but it's not because I disrespect your right to those views or your reason for holding them.
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You're probably right boydster.
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I'm watching this on CNN. I should have watched it on Fox news. These people look visibly terrified. It's really bringing me down.
It's not looking good. This is doing some serious damage to my 401k.
I'm not really worried about Donald Trump being president. I'm worried that I live in a country that would elect him president.
If Trump wins maybe there's a silver lining. Maybe both parties will come to Jesus. We've survived 8 years of Bush we can do this.
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I'm watching this on CNN. I should have watched it on Fox news. These people look visibly terrified. It's really bringing me down.
It's not looking good. This is doing some serious damage to my 401k.
I'm not really worried about Donald Trump being president. I'm worried that I live in a country that would elect him president.
If Trump wins maybe there's a silver lining. Maybe both parties will come to Jesus. We've survived 8 years of Bush we can do this.
You guys will be fine, I have faith.
A government should be afraid of its people, people should not fear their government.
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You're probably right boydster.
You would have had even better odds this morning. The first headline I saw when I woke up....this is from a national paper, saying "trump is gonna get his ass kicked" then earlier voter, exit poll this and that, the usual media rhetoric.
The news can still not let her go lol. They are all saying "she still has a shot" . . Now some on the news are saying it is because whites hate the blacks, women say it's against them. The white guy was trying to say it was just America tired of the establishment and he got yelled at by the black guy and woman.
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You're probably right boydster.
You would have had even better odds this morning. The first headline I saw when I woke up....this is from a national paper, saying "trump is gonna get his ass kicked" then earlier voter, exit poll this and that, the usual media rhetoric.
The news can still not let her go lol. They are all saying "she still has a shot" . . Now some on the news are saying it is because whites hate the blacks, women say it's against them. The white guy was trying to say it was just America tired of the establishment and he got yelled at by the black guy and woman.
Shits crazy atm, Australians in America are being told "stay at home, avoid big cities, keep your mouth shut and prepare an exit strategy"
Everyones freaking out, It's a worry.
Like crutonius said, you guys survived bush you will survive this also.
Edit for link.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/north-america/warnings-for-aussies-in-the-us-as-election-tensions-mount/news-story/c3dd81041bbb6a32f0647ee2b5966a43
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This is just a situation where the people working their ass off is freaking tired of the system, the free ride for those that don't work or try, politicians being bought etc etc etc.
Them standing up and saying enough.
And boydster I am sorry, we have had a few to drink and guess i got a little excited. I have spent so long being called a piece of shit for my views, for anything I have accomplished, attacked etc etc by the establishment media blah blah.
Guess I got a little excited when I saw "hey it isn't just me" it "isn't just my small group of friends and fellow business owners"...there are a lot of people that feel this way.
I guess i can understand how a black person felt with Obama, or how a woman would feel with Clinton. We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over.
Edit to your last text dispute... Tell them to not buy into the trump is gonna nuke everyone rhetoric. That was just media demonizing him. He will be more of a shake up here than abroad.
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Nevada is the official place to be now!!!!
Marijuana is now legal there...
So now....you can go smoke a joint, then hit the casinos, get a buzz, then run down the street and hit some prostitution houses lol...
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. . . then run down the street and hit some prostitution houses lol...
Prostitution is illegal in Clark County, (Las Vegas), just sayin'
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. . . then run down the street and hit some prostitution houses lol...
Prostitution is illegal in Clark County, (Las Vegas), just sayin'
Geez...just rain on my parade lol. I know, things are separated in Nevada, was just trying to make a point. Since it is the first state in history to have all of those legal at once.
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Geez...just rain on my parade lol. I know, things are separated in Nevada, was just trying to make a point. Since it is the first state in history to have all of those legal at once.
Not sayin' you can't find a herd of them, just look both ways before you indulge. ;)
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Geez...just rain on my parade lol. I know, things are separated in Nevada, was just trying to make a point. Since it is the first state in history to have all of those legal at once.
Not sayin' you can't find a herd of them, just look both ways before you indulge. ;)
I was raised by an old lady, not in my nature. Though going on a bender in Vegas leaving out the prostitutes....can never rule that out lol.
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I was raised by an old lady, not in my nature. Though going on a bender in Vegas leaving out the prostitutes....can never rule that out lol.
I lived and worked there for almost a year. Meca for a sign design artist.
Pissed away less than $400 on the games and never rented a 'friend'.
If you get away from the strip, it's a friendly place to live. Except for the deadly heat. :P
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I was raised by an old lady, not in my nature. Though going on a bender in Vegas leaving out the prostitutes....can never rule that out lol.
I lived and worked there for almost a year. Meca for a sign design artist.
Pissed away less than $400 on the games and never rented a 'friend'.
If you get away from the strip, it's a friendly place to live. Except for the deadly heat. :P
What sign shop did you work for?
Actually don't answer that. The concept of internet anonymity escaped me momentarily.
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I was raised by an old lady, not in my nature. Though going on a bender in Vegas leaving out the prostitutes....can never rule that out lol.
I lived and worked there for almost a year. Meca for a sign design artist.
Pissed away less than $400 on the games and never rented a 'friend'.
If you get away from the strip, it's a friendly place to live. Except for the deadly heat. :P
I have a good friend who used to model for Calvin Klein and they had him in Vegas where he met his wife who modeled herself. They, lived there for a while and tried to make it work. However, eventually decided it was time to leave for their relationships sake. They said there was this dark cloud that followed them on the way out of the city. They have never went back either, about 7 years now.
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Congratulations/ Commiserations to all you Americans, what ever side of the fence you were on.
I think the result was inevitable and what was needed. Best of luck luck moving forward, this is your chance to take the bull by the horns, shake things up and make things better.
Brexit 2
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Yep that just happened.
We're all students in Trump University now.
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Congratulations/ Commiserations to all you Americans, what ever side of the fence you were on.
I think the result was inevitable and what was needed. Best of luck luck moving forward, this is your chance to take the bull by the horns, shake things up and make things better.
Brexit 2
Yeah, hopefully.
His speech was very surprisingly professional. What are they saying in the UK?
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Congratulations/ Commiserations to all you Americans, what ever side of the fence you were on.
I think the result was inevitable and what was needed. Best of luck luck moving forward, this is your chance to take the bull by the horns, shake things up and make things better.
Brexit 2
Yeah, hopefully.
His speech was very surprisingly professional. What are they saying in the UK?
I haven't personally spoken to anyone interested in politics this morning... by the end of the day I will be able to gague the UK views in general.
Personally I thought trump looked like a great president already. Lets see if he can make his ideas work and follow through on his promises. If he can America will become great again.
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Congratulations/ Commiserations to all you Americans, what ever side of the fence you were on.
I think the result was inevitable and what was needed. Best of luck luck moving forward, this is your chance to take the bull by the horns, shake things up and make things better.
Brexit 2
Yeah, hopefully.
His speech was very surprisingly professional. What are they saying in the UK?
His speech was great, my friends and I were very impressed. I loved how emotional he was, when he said he loved his country and would act in the best interests of everyone I belived him. I love seeing someone speak frm their heart.
USA, USA, USA.
Congrats guys seems like a good outcome from where I'm standing.
Commiserations to the democrats, I know how much you guys wanted a democrat victory.
It seems like we are in a good position to make real positive change moving forward. Keep hope alive.
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I wonder if Trump find out a time for a meeting of the flat earth society or not. I hope he don't do same mistake with a lickspittle man that i don't want to give his name.
I hope Trump will execuse these dicks all !
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My guy won, but, honestly the government is run by unelected bureaucrats who have a job regardless who is 'in charge'.
A President can ask the House and Senate to deliver bills to his desk, but, his real power comes from getting the people to nag the House and Senate into doing what he wants.
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I guess i can understand how a black person felt with Obama, or how a woman would feel with Clinton. We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over.
No you fucking haven't.
Stop seeing people accurately reporting the vitriol that Trump's spouted as biased reporting. People are going to die. Brexit 2? In the aftermath of brexit, and still ongoing, hate crimes spiked an unprecedented amount because suddenly the bigots, the racists etc of the country felt legitimised. Trump got endorsed by the KKK, do the math. People reported that it was unlikely for Trump to win because it should have been. Instead he convinced his voters to get away with intimidation, lied repeatedly and obviously and insisted he was the only source of truth, and who thought threatening to jail his political opponents is not a terrifying thing to do.
Normally I'd be fairer about this, but it's not the time. I know Americans who are scared for their lives as a result of the vote, and they have reason to be.
But sure, go on pretending your fantasies of persecution are in any way comparable to the very real danger that a lot of Americans now face.
Congrats. Decided you didn't want a president with a mass of conspiracy theories floating around her, so you elected a dangerous incompetent who appealed to the worst aspect of humanity, and who most people saw as an impending disaster. Disappointment is expected when you lose an election, fear is not.
And yeah, I'm sticking with 'most people' there because typically most voters were not-Trump voters, torn away from Hillary by the repeatedly disproven vitriol and accusations that were always found to be without merit. Look at the spike for the Libertarians.
Even if Trump can't get a single piece of legislation passed (which is unlikely, republicans don't want to lose his voters) he's doing a lot of damage just by being legitimised. A sexually predatory, racist, perpetually dishonest, incompetent snollygoster is apparently allowed to be the most powerful person in the world.
Brexit wasn't a good thing. The only reason it hasn't been worse is because banks scrambled to minimise the danger, and were more prepared than the actual Leave campaign. With Trump in a position of power, you'll have plenty of brexits ahead of you, good luck with them all. Genuinely, good luck, you're going to need a lot.
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I guess i can understand how a black person felt with Obama, or how a woman would feel with Clinton. We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over.
No you fucking haven't.
Stop seeing people accurately reporting the vitriol that Trump's spouted as biased reporting. People are going to die. Brexit 2? In the aftermath of brexit, and still ongoing, hate crimes spiked an unprecedented amount because suddenly the bigots, the racists etc of the country felt legitimised. Trump got endorsed by the KKK, do the math. People reported that it was unlikely for Trump to win because it should have been. Instead he convinced his voters to get away with intimidation, lied repeatedly and obviously and insisted he was the only source of truth, and who thought threatening to jail his political opponents is not a terrifying thing to do.
Normally I'd be fairer about this, but it's not the time. I know Americans who are scared for their lives as a result of the vote, and they have reason to be.
But sure, go on pretending your fantasies of persecution are in any way comparable to the very real danger that a lot of Americans now face.
Congrats. Decided you didn't want a president with a mass of conspiracy theories floating around her, so you elected a dangerous incompetent who appealed to the worst aspect of humanity, and who most people saw as an impending disaster. Disappointment is expected when you lose an election, fear is not.
And yeah, I'm sticking with 'most people' there because typically most voters were not-Trump voters, torn away from Hillary by the repeatedly disproven vitriol and accusations that were always found to be without merit. Look at the spike for the Libertarians.
Even if Trump can't get a single piece of legislation passed (which is unlikely, republicans don't want to lose his voters) he's doing a lot of damage just by being legitimised. A sexually predatory, racist, perpetually dishonest, incompetent snollygoster is apparently allowed to be the most powerful person in the world.
Brexit wasn't a good thing. The only reason it hasn't been worse is because banks scrambled to minimise the danger, and were more prepared than the actual Leave campaign. With Trump in a position of power, you'll have plenty of brexits ahead of you, good luck with them all. Genuinely, good luck, you're going to need a lot.
Jane you are usually well reasoned, but this response, calling people raciest bigots is just full of vitriol and salty. Lets see what happens before we judge.
Oh and if many of us feel We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over, who are you to say otherwise? People have had enough, and have voted as such.... the people have spoken.
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I saw Brexit as a bad thing. I don't like Trump much though I really think I liked Clinton even less. I don't disagree with a lot of what you said about Trump but you take it awful easy on Clinton.
Anyway, I certainly do agree with this:
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
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I guess i can understand how a black person felt with Obama, or how a woman would feel with Clinton. We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over.
No you fucking haven't.
Stop seeing people accurately reporting the vitriol that Trump's spouted as biased reporting. People are going to die. Brexit 2? In the aftermath of brexit, and still ongoing, hate crimes spiked an unprecedented amount because suddenly the bigots, the racists etc of the country felt legitimised. Trump got endorsed by the KKK, do the math. People reported that it was unlikely for Trump to win because it should have been. Instead he convinced his voters to get away with intimidation, lied repeatedly and obviously and insisted he was the only source of truth, and who thought threatening to jail his political opponents is not a terrifying thing to do.
Normally I'd be fairer about this, but it's not the time. I know Americans who are scared for their lives as a result of the vote, and they have reason to be.
But sure, go on pretending your fantasies of persecution are in any way comparable to the very real danger that a lot of Americans now face.
Congrats. Decided you didn't want a president with a mass of conspiracy theories floating around her, so you elected a dangerous incompetent who appealed to the worst aspect of humanity, and who most people saw as an impending disaster. Disappointment is expected when you lose an election, fear is not.
And yeah, I'm sticking with 'most people' there because typically most voters were not-Trump voters, torn away from Hillary by the repeatedly disproven vitriol and accusations that were always found to be without merit. Look at the spike for the Libertarians.
Even if Trump can't get a single piece of legislation passed (which is unlikely, republicans don't want to lose his voters) he's doing a lot of damage just by being legitimised. A sexually predatory, racist, perpetually dishonest, incompetent snollygoster is apparently allowed to be the most powerful person in the world.
Brexit wasn't a good thing. The only reason it hasn't been worse is because banks scrambled to minimise the danger, and were more prepared than the actual Leave campaign. With Trump in a position of power, you'll have plenty of brexits ahead of you, good luck with them all. Genuinely, good luck, you're going to need a lot.
WOW !!! You sound like a spoiled little brat who didn't get her way for the first time in her life.
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Why do you people mock the Poles? What did the Polish people ever do to you?
They took our jerbs.
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Why do you people mock the Poles? What did the Polish people ever do to you?
They took our jerbs.
(https://s12.postimg.org/6ch68fwy1/images_27.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6ch68fwy1/)
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What a beautiful day to wake up in the greatest country in the world!
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What a beautiful day to wake up in the greatest country in the world!
Let me guess... Denmark?
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Kazakhstan?
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What a beautiful day to wake up in the greatest country in the world!
Now even greatester.
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Don't forget biglier.
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Jane you are usually well reasoned, but this response, calling people raciest bigots is just full of vitriol and salty. Lets see what happens before we judge.
Oh and if many of us feel We have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now while the liberal agenda took over, who are you to say otherwise? People have had enough, and have voted as such.... the people have spoken.
I've seen what happens. And besides, everything I said about Trump is perfectly accurate.
What you 'feel' has no bearing on facts. Sure, the people have spoken. I'm not the one who questioned the principles of your democracy by claiming the side I support would only lose if the election was rigged. And actually, by the look of it, more people voted for Hillary than voted for Trump, so the people have spoken. It's just good old first-past-the-post.
You've got your president. Have fun with him.
I saw Brexit as a bad thing. I don't like Trump much though I really think I liked Clinton even less. I don't disagree with a lot of what you said about Trump but you take it awful easy on Clinton.
Anyway, I certainly do agree with this:
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
I take it easy on Clinton because her scandals pale in comparison to basically anything Trump does, and she's not the one with the powers of office.
But, yeah, there are no grounds on which that second quote is true. You're just not the focus of everyone's issues, because others are treated worse.
WOW !!! You sound like a spoiled little brat who didn't get her way for the first time in her life.
You're kidding right? An incompetent businessman with little to no political experience or knowledge has the most powerful position on Earth, and is in a position to do as he's stated and very much ruin the lives of a number of my American friends, and I'm meant to be perfectly happy?
Just calling it as I see it.
Besides, I'm british. I went through brexit. Not happy with the result, especially with the objective lies the Leave campaign ran on (not bias speaking: literally the morning after the result was announced one of the main Leave campaigners went on TV to say that "Yeah, that promise, we can't do that."), but I can deal with it. I even respect Cameron to a degree for calling the referendum, though I think it was misguided.
But, sure, have fun being a person in a position where you're not going to be particularly affected. Lucky you. Other people exist.
Grow up.
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Jane, how exactly are your American friend's lives going to be "ruined"?
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Jane, how exactly are your American friend's lives going to be "ruined"?
Well, the gay ones are treated awfully by the general republican platform, from legalising some forms of discrimination, to allowing conversion therapy (an idea that literally no credible organisation believes works). One friend in particular relies on healthcare to give her firm enough ground on which to start making a living, which Trump's vowed to repeal.
Plus there are the indirect consequences, where behaviour like Trump's is legitimised. Xenophobia, misogyny... And I'm speaking from experience there; after the brexit vote, and a campaign run primarily on xenophobia, the rate of hate crimes in the UK has skyrocketed because the perpetrators see their opinions given credence and winning votes, and feel validated.
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The only silver lining I see in this is that the sovereign citizens and the militias will die down a bit.
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But I truly hope all those celebrating Trump's win will try to put a stop to this sort of thing. You are not powerless to make a difference with these people. Don't look the other way. We do not want the KKK to rise again. I say this as a person from the South, who has ancestors who were KKK. They are bad. They're bad for all of us no matter what color you are.
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Those people are little but cowards in a clown suit. They represent nobody I know, and probably nobody on this forum. And I don't think they have the relevance they once thought they had.
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They didn't just think they had relevance in the past, they did have relevance. They murdered people and got away with it. There are people who still think this way. Shit, I'm related to some of them.
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And no matter how small their influence or membership may be right now, the KKK has a history of rebounding every X years. And with their endorsement of Trump, who knows if some are inclined to join them because of some weird twist of logic.
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What evidence do you have links trump to the KKK. Trump isn't even racist. There is nothing racist about forcing illegal immigrants to leave your country and return in a legitimate way.
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Good Lord...how do y'all view the KKK? They are like 20 different cells of like 30 people a pop all working separately with different visions. They can't even afford a laser printer for their misspelled and incorrect grammar newsletter.
They aren't gonna "rise" again...they have been dead for decades on top of decades. It's a dead of a faction as possible, and not even the evil white Americans support them.
Trump could do nothing further to distance himself from them, just like Clinton did everything she could to distance herself from the socialist endorsement.
They call Republicans fear mongers ::)
Now since the liberals didn't get their way everything is going to hell. Even the stock market was going to "crash" today, though we can see the reverse effect. Right after the crash we are going to have public hangings, lynch mobs, gay bashing and all women will immediately be confined to the kitchen wearing lingerie...
Such mindless fear mongering from people who are so much more "intelligent and advanced " over us "cavemen"
Give me a fucking break.
It's temper tantrum in slow motion from a bunch of adults raised like children.
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Ok the sample is small but;
If this forum were a state.... it would definitely be a red one!
Donald might just piss it, who knows. I have seen similar polls on many forums and trump is usually coming out ahead 7/2, here's not much difference with 2/1 favoring trump.
Remember to get to the polls for real though people.... every vote counts.
I don't think many normal people like like Hillary. She only seems to have the feminists, corrupt politicians, heads of corporations and a few celebs endorsing her.
Bur she has the media in her pocket. so Ignore the media.
I am actually surprised this forum is so "red"...I was not expecting that at all.
Actually when you think about it, that makes sense. The flat earthers are conspiracy theorists like me and conspiracy theorists tend to lean red even if they claim to be independent. Now they're swamped by round earthers like me but hey, apparently, round earthers are smarter than we think.
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As to Jane and her prime example of a temper tantrum....(and facts? I am beginning to realize on this subject matter you have no knowledge of such a thing)
I know the liberal mind set is "we are the victim, so give us shit" but I am sorry there are other victims on the planet other than women and minorities.
We
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
Have been replaced as demon number one. Also anyone that agrees with us (including women and minorities) are idiots, evil, losers, cavemen etc.
But that type of hatred is ok as long as it is for their cause.
It is also ok for them to take whatever they want from us, yet we deserve nothing. But we better keep working to support them though. It is asinine.
When I went in to vote I went with a lady friend of mine, psychologist, very successful and very sharp, I respect her immensely. Especially considering I know her whole back story, and it was not an easy one. We were greeted by trump protesters, and of course I was a bigot, to be expected, in one ear and out the other.
However, hearing one of the ladies yell at someone like my friend calling her a loser, evil, etc etc just because she would not fall in line with the mainstream...just blew my mind.
I guarantee few if not any of the females there has accomplished or been through the shit she has and persevered. If they would have been hit with it, they would have went to their safe space and cried instead or plowing through. It was pathetic watching that, I was quite rude with them.
Though I will say, my friend, as strong and wise as she is. Trump's remarks did bug her some, so he does need to take the time to heal those wounds a bit.
It is not ok to replace one crap view and support it with another just because you are on the winning end this time. Equality should be the goal, not pointing the gun at another. It is especially not alright to take whatever you want from these people. Nor is it ok to expect a free ride just because you can. Someone has to pay for it, and if it continues, the parents will eventually be out of money....then what?
It just mystifies me all I have ever said is no free rides that everyone should support their weight. The people willing to do so will be rewarded, those not willing to do anything will not be rewarded. Stop taking from the those to strive and giving to those that don't.
Stop the influx of illegals coming in, build a better system for them to come in legally. If they don't take the time to do so then I am sorry. Open boarders has always been the tail end of a failure of a country, history says this.
Stop raising weak Americans with weak mindsets, we would have never even broke from England if that was what we were founded on.
Stop giving away everything to other countries. Trade is great when it is fair.
Stop sticking our noses in every single thing in the planet. We are not the world police.
Focus on infrastructure and free trade. Keeping laws that allow the unfair advantage of the "mega wealthy" (which flourish in the liberal agenda) to get an unfair advantage over the average business class. Small and mid business being strong always keeps wages and inflation proportional to each other.
I could keep going but will stop.
Simple, we don't care what race or gender you are..we just want to stop the ass backwards approach of rewarding laziness and bad ideas, yet punishing hard work and risk for good ideas. Promote a strong mentality instead or promoting weakness. Stop raising adult children.
We don't want "anything" from anyone...just for everyone to pull their weight.
The world is tough...it's our reality.
Edit...if anyone can show me ONE child that turned out well that was given every single thing they want financially, rewarded for every bad mistake like a hero and provided 0 discipline. I will retract what I have said.
Double edit..Also calling trump an idiot in business that is just funny. The guy took a million and turned it into 6 billion or so....lol...right, what an "idiot" in business
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In Philadelphia. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html
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In Philadelphia. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html
More than likely put there by a disgruntled democrat wanting to demonize trump supporters with the intention of swaying their vote....
Your point is?
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Dude, I know you think you have superior research abilities and all, but do you not know about the white nationalists supporting Trump? It's been common knowledge the whole time. Do you know who David Duke is? Do you remember all the times Trump interacted with the Twitter Nazis?
My point is that I asked all those celebrating Trump's win not to give this sort of thing a pass. I do not think most of the posters here who support Trump are white nationalists (although, you probably are). We can't let our country sink into this racist shit.
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We can't let our country sink into this racist shit.
Agreed, we are still on team human.
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As to Jane and her prime example of a temper tantrum....(and facts? I am beginning to realize on this subject matter you have no knowledge of such a thing)
I know the liberal mind set is "we are the victim, so give us shit" but I am sorry there are other victims on the planet other than women and minorities.
We
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
Have been replaced as demon number one. Also anyone that agrees with us (including women and minorities) are idiots, evil, losers, cavemen etc.
But that type of hatred is ok as long as it is for their cause.
It is also ok for them to take whatever they want from us, yet we deserve nothing. But we better keep working to support them though. It is asinine.
When I went in to vote I went with a lady friend of mine, psychologist, very successful and very sharp, I respect her immensely. Especially considering I know her whole back story, and it was not an easy one. We were greeted by trump protesters, and of course I was a bigot, to be expected, in one ear and out the other.
However, hearing one of the ladies yell at someone like my friend calling her a loser, evil, etc etc just because she would not fall in line with the mainstream...just blew my mind.
I guarantee few if not any of the females there has accomplished or been through the shit she has and persevered. If they would have been hit with it, they would have went to their safe space and cried instead or plowing through. It was pathetic watching that, I was quite rude with them.
Though I will say, my friend, as strong and wise as she is. Trump's remarks did bug her some, so he does need to take the time to heal those wounds a bit.
It is not ok to replace one crap view and support it with another just because you are on the winning end this time. Equality should be the goal, not pointing the gun at another. It is especially not alright to take whatever you want from these people. Nor is it ok to expect a free ride just because you can. Someone has to pay for it, and if it continues, the parents will eventually be out of money....then what?
It just mystifies me all I have ever said is no free rides that everyone should support their weight. The people willing to do so will be rewarded, those not willing to do anything will not be rewarded. Stop taking from the those to strive and giving to those that don't.
Stop the influx of illegals coming in, build a better system for them to come in legally. If they don't take the time to do so then I am sorry. Open boarders has always been the tail end of a failure of a country, history says this.
Stop raising weak Americans with weak mindsets, we would have never even broke from England if that was what we were founded on.
Stop giving away everything to other countries. Trade is great when it is fair.
Stop sticking our noses in every single thing in the planet. We are not the world police.
Focus on infrastructure and free trade. Keeping laws that allow the unfair advantage of the "mega wealthy" (which flourish in the liberal agenda) to get an unfair advantage over the average business class. Small and mid business being strong always keeps wages and inflation proportional to each other.
I could keep going but will stop.
Simple, we don't care what race or gender you are..we just want to stop the ass backwards approach of rewarding laziness and bad ideas, yet punishing hard work and risk for good ideas. Promote a strong mentality instead or promoting weakness. Stop raising adult children.
We don't want "anything" from anyone...just for everyone to pull their weight.
The world is tough...it's our reality.
Edit...if anyone can show me ONE child that turned out well that was given every single thing they want financially, rewarded for every bad mistake like a hero and provided 0 discipline. I will retract what I have said.
Double edit..Also calling trump an idiot in business that is just funny. The guy took a million and turned it into 6 billion or so....lol...right, what an "idiot" in business
-Uses first paragraph to accuse liberals of playing the victim card.
-Uses rest of post to play the white religious conservative male victim card.
And they say conservatives make lousy comedians... ;D
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One of the most worrying things with Trump's election is his stance on climate change. Which is, denial. Not good.
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-Uses first paragraph to accuse liberals of playing the victim card.
-Uses rest of post to play the white religious conservative male victim card.
And they say conservatives make lousy comedians... ;D
Practicing "abstract reading card" I see...sounds fun to see what you want.
Let's see there was a paragraph explaining about victims and how people are just shifting instead of actually fixing anything. Then some paragraphs explaining a situation that blew my mind, also showing the diluted nature of such thinking.
Then the rest of just things we stand for, and how racism/sexism is not involved.
Then a sarcastic tid bit at the end.
Fail, but thank you for playing....wait...if you are a liberal you deserve a treat for your failure. Just put it on my tab.
P.s. There is a reason they called us a "silent vote"..because we didn't bitch and moan, yell about discrimination, safes spaces cry here and cry there. Just kept plugging away.
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We
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
Have been replaced as demon number one.
Yeah, come back when you're getting killed.
Double edit..Also calling trump an idiot in business that is just funny. The guy took a million and turned it into 6 billion or so....lol...right, what an "idiot" in business
Except you have no idea how much he's really worth. What he claims is worth the most is his name ($3 billion, apparently, and only he thinks that), and the brand associated with it, rather than any actual tangible entity. Meanwhile he started a mortgage company when experts were predicting the housing crash, and has a whole string of failed businesses to his names, like his casino. How exactly do you go broke with a casino? And of course he sold a lot of his properties to pay for his campaign, which isn't what you'd expect if he had a lot. Plus he's gone bankrupt multiple times. A journalist who actually saw his tax returns implied his net worth was from $150-250 million, which is less than what he would've inherited from his father.
He relies on loan after loan, makes a mistake, and gets money from someone else.
P.s. There is a reason they called us a "silent vote"..because we didn't bitch and moan, yell about discrimination, safes spaces cry here and cry there. Just kept plugging away.
Yeah, because you're not discriminated against. Grow up, a few hurt feelings is not discrimination. If you can be silent, you're not a victim.
Simple facts: Trump has zero experience with politics, has policies the KKK found admirable, and has people legitimately scared for their lives.
This wasn't a normal election, and it's not a normal streak of post-election blues. Instead of complaining that people are 'bitching and moaning,' take a moment to consider why they need to.
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Dude, I know you think you have superior research abilities and all, but do you not know about the white nationalists supporting Trump? It's been common knowledge the whole time. Do you know who David Duke is? Do you remember all the times Trump interacted with the Twitter Nazis?
My point is that I asked all those celebrating Trump's win not to give this sort of thing a pass. I do not think most of the posters here who support Trump are white nationalists (although, you probably are). We can't let our country sink into this racist shit.
Now that the campaigns are over, you watch all this shit die down. At that point you can safely assume that the example above was probably part of a Trump smear effort by opposition.
I have not mentioned race once.
You are, like all democrats the ones with race, colour,creede, sex/gender front and foremost on your mind. I believe every human should be treated absolutely equal.
I had a black teenager approach me while out playing bass with my rock band and try and take my mic, (bare in mind i was working) to beat-box through our PA. I took the mic from him, to which he screamed at me "Get your saggy entitled white ass out of here you racist chump." to which my response was "get lost jerk, your drunk"..... I had 2 females approach me later calling me racist for standing my ground. I tried to explain that had anyone else try and take the mic my reaction would be the same. after which they called me a misogynist for challenging them..... WHY?
I never made a racist remark or a sexist one.
Things like that have to STOP now!
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I never accused you of mentioning race! You became defensive about it anyway, which makes me suspect you've got issues.
Look, I imagine there are problems with the lefties that we agree upon. I think some of the gender stuff has gone off the fucking rails, I think college campuses should be physically safe for everyone, but safe spaces for ideas are bullshit... but if you think there isn't a racism problem you're just not paying attention. Thinking some Democrat painted swastikas on a storefront window after the election to discourage voters is just bizarre.
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We
We [Caucasian, North American, Christian, Hardworking Males] have been demonized, abused, taken from, and ignored like sub human for some time now...
Have been replaced as demon number one.
Yeah, come back when you're getting killed.
Double edit..Also calling trump an idiot in business that is just funny. The guy took a million and turned it into 6 billion or so....lol...right, what an "idiot" in business
Except you have no idea how much he's really worth. What he claims is worth the most is his name ($3 billion, apparently, and only he thinks that), and the brand associated with it, rather than any actual tangible entity. Meanwhile he started a mortgage company when experts were predicting the housing crash, and has a whole string of failed businesses to his names, like his casino. How exactly do you go broke with a casino? And of course he sold a lot of his properties to pay for his campaign, which isn't what you'd expect if he had a lot. Plus he's gone bankrupt multiple times. A journalist who actually saw his tax returns implied his net worth was from $150-250 million, which is less than what he would've inherited from his father.
He relies on loan after loan, makes a mistake, and gets money from someone else.
P.s. There is a reason they called us a "silent vote"..because we didn't bitch and moan, yell about discrimination, safes spaces cry here and cry there. Just kept plugging away.
Yeah, because you're not discriminated against. Grow up, a few hurt feelings is not discrimination. If you can be silent, you're not a victim.
Simple facts: Trump has zero experience with politics, has policies the KKK found admirable, and has people legitimately scared for their lives.
This wasn't a normal election, and it's not a normal streak of post-election blues. Instead of complaining that people are 'bitching and moaning,' take a moment to consider why they need to.
Lets try to be positive before we burn the whole country down, sometimes we are put in bad situations and it is up to us to do the best things possible in the circumstances.
This is not worth a war over IMO, and looking at how people are reacting I am worried.
I'm just glad Hillary was gracious and Obama agreed to hand over power peacefully. Things could have turned sour very quickly.
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What do you guys think of the rumors that Trump will give Sarah Palin a cabinet position? lol
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It's a Palin
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I agree with disputeone. We ALL need to take a deep breath, and move forward together. Despite our differences we are all human after all.
In a few weeks things will return to normal, Trump wont achieve as much as he said he would and life will change very little over all.
Any changes that do come to fruit, we can all face together. Remember, democracy means if we the people dont think our government is working in our best interests, In a few yearswe get the chance to change them.
Peace
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-Uses first paragraph to accuse liberals of playing the victim card.
-Uses rest of post to play the white religious conservative male victim card.
And they say conservatives make lousy comedians... ;D
Practicing "abstract reading card" I see...sounds fun to see what you want.
Let's see there was a paragraph explaining about victims and how people are just shifting instead of actually fixing anything. Then some paragraphs explaining a situation that blew my mind, also showing the diluted nature of such thinking.
Then the rest of just things we stand for, and how racism/sexism is not involved.
Then a sarcastic tid bit at the end.
Fail, but thank you for playing....wait...if you are a liberal you deserve a treat for your failure. Just put it on my tab.
P.s. There is a reason they called us a "silent vote"..because we didn't bitch and moan, yell about discrimination, safes spaces cry here and cry there. Just kept plugging away.
Not a liberal. In fact, I find liberals and conservatives equally cringeworthy. I just call whiners like I see 'em. And you Sir, have proven yourself to be a whiner on multiple occasions.
And you are obviously an expert on "seeing what you want". You are pretty much the definition of the term "confirmation bias".
At least you seem to have a sense of humor, so you've got that going for you.
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I have not mentioned race once.
You are, like all democrats the ones with race, colour,creede, sex/gender front and foremost on your mind. I believe every human should be treated absolutely equal.
I had a black teenager approach me while out playing bass with my rock band and try and take my mic, (bare in mind i was working) to beat-box through our PA. I took the mic from him, to which he screamed at me "Get your saggy entitled white ass out of here you racist chump." to which my response was "get lost jerk, your drunk"..... I had 2 females approach me later calling me racist for standing my ground. I tried to explain that had anyone else try and take the mic my reaction would be the same. after which they called me a misogynist for challenging them..... WHY?
I never made a racist remark or a sexist one.
Things like that have to STOP now!
Another example of a liberal temper tantrum...just like Jane's above.
I tell her the issues we have had to deal with for the last 15 years or so (heavily for the last 8 ) and she says
"No you haven't, you don't know anything" "you don't feel that" Blah blah blah. Discrediting everything because it isn't about their suffering.
If I did that with a female, I would be painted Satan incarnate....damned back to my pits of hell. Just another example of liberal hypocritical rhetoric.
Imagine a female "my feelings are hurt" me "grow the fuck up" all of liberal nation together "piece of shit!!! Misogynist!! die stupid came man!"..
It is about "freedom" and "equal rights"....LOL...it is about a shift of power and control. All the while bankrupting the government and working citizens.
Jane....
As for trump "I" said 6 billion...trump said over 10...liberals say 3 billion. Forbes and a few others agree between 5-7. 6 billion is pretty easy to prove. Though I am sure that "one" mystery "reporter" was being 100 percent truthful ::)
Also obviously you don't know how net worths are really built. Some people such as Mark Cuban, he could liquidate his value about 90 percent in 90 days...he is cash rich.
I would be neutral about 60 percent in 90 days.
Trump is heavy asset rich...maybe only 30 percent in 90 days. It would take him a couple years to liquidate fully unless he had alot of luck or wanted to take big losses. It all depends on your investments and businesses.
So when you are assets rich, you use loans to stay liquid and build other new assets. The interest on the loans are much lower than the appreciating percentage of the hard assets. Then as they increase you can leverage more...then one day you sell everything and get a big waud of cash.
Sure I am wasting my time on a mentality like yours with this, but just explaining.
Anyways....since apparently we are past any respect now (go figure it was the liberal that broke the barrier lol I AM JACKS COMPLETE LACK OF SUPRISE).
I will say quit wasting my time with your naive, ignorant nonsense. It goes no where and history is very solid in supporting that, no conjecture needed.
You can continue crying being a sad little victim, my heart does bleed for you. Continue lobbying for your group of all talk zero action, take take take without giving back...raising adult babies that wiping one's ass is a struggle to do alone. Much less handle the challenges of life....and blah blah blah, not even worth running down the list again.
Anyways....have fun with all that. I will be focusing on something completely different.
Please continue tantrum...don't let me interrupt, just don't go hoarse, otherwise how could people feel bad for you if you can't tell them they should?
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THE MANTRUM.
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Lets try to be positive before we burn the whole country down, sometimes we are put in bad situations and it is up to us to do the best things possible in the circumstances.
This is not worth a war over IMO, and looking at how people are reacting I am worried.
I'm just glad Hillary was gracious and Obama agreed to hand over power peacefully. Things could have turned sour very quickly.
Trust me, this is me being positive.
The problem is, I've seen how this goes. It's in the UK; after the campaign dies down, the hatred that was stirred up doesn't go away.
And then having Trump in power, with all the consequences that'll entail, isn't something that's going to go away after four years. America's still dealing with the aftermath of Bush, and Trump's promised to do away with everything Obama's done in basically his first day.
That is scary. And doing the best thing possible still necessitates acknowledging the bad, rather than pretending it's not there.
He's better than Pence, I'll give him that.
You can continue crying being a sad little victim
You know you're the one that complained about being victimised, right?
But sure, have fun. Congrats on being in a position where an incompetent bigot as President isn't going to affect you. It really does beggar belief how you'd rather complain that a lot of people are upset, rather than wonder why.
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What do you guys think of the rumors that Trump will give Sarah Palin a cabinet position? lol
I have no idea why people think she is politician material. Perhaps she was a good governor for Alaska I have no idea, but I have never observed anything about her that would suggest that she has a clue.
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Lets try to be positive before we burn the whole country down, sometimes we are put in bad situations and it is up to us to do the best things possible in the circumstances.
This is not worth a war over IMO, and looking at how people are reacting I am worried.
I'm just glad Hillary was gracious and Obama agreed to hand over power peacefully. Things could have turned sour very quickly.
Trust me, this is me being positive.
The problem is, I've seen how this goes. It's in the UK; after the campaign dies down, the hatred that was stirred up doesn't go away.
And then having Trump in power, with all the consequences that'll entail, isn't something that's going to go away after four years. America's still dealing with the aftermath of Bush, and Trump's promised to do away with everything Obama's done in basically his first day.
That is scary. And doing the best thing possible still necessitates acknowledging the bad, rather than pretending it's not there.
He's better than Pence, I'll give him that.
You can continue crying being a sad little victim
You know you're the one that complained about being victimised, right?
But sure, have fun. Congrats on being in a position where an incompetent bigot as President isn't going to affect you. It really does beggar belief how you'd rather complain that a lot of people are upset, rather than wonder why.
I know why the liberals are upset....I have already stated my opinion on how I feel about that.
I wouldn't hate people like me too much....remember my "evil" side of the tracks is what pays for your "holy" side to live. Kill us off, it kills y'all off.
Win for the necessary evil!!! Yay...just about like men huh? Ha ha ha..
Oh and trump does effect me... actually.
My taxes will be lower ha ha
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I know why the liberals are upset....I have already stated my opinion on how I feel about that.
I wouldn't hate people like me too much....remember my "evil" side of the tracks is what pays for your "holy" side to live. Kill us off, it kills y'all off.
Win for the necessary evil!!! Yay...just about like men huh? Ha ha ha..
Oh and trump does effect me... actually.
My taxes will be lower ha ha
You realise how incoherent what you just said was? It has no relationship to what anyone's talking about outside of the narrative you want to be the case.
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Something tells me I'm not the only mofo posting drunk here tonight...
@BHS, amirite? ;D
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Something tells me I'm not the only mofo posting drunk here tonight...
@BHS, amirite? ;D
I could be working on a solid buzz right now ;D
Or that could just be the inner buzz of my tiny man brain attempting to understand the big complex world around me :(
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Something tells me I'm not the only mofo posting drunk here tonight...
@BHS, amirite? ;D
I could be working on a solid buzz right now ;D
Or that could just be the inner buzz of my tiny man brain attempting to understand the big complex world around me :(
Cheers, man. We may disagree on shit, but I'm sure we'd still manage to get hammered together without any major altercations, if it weren't for teh intergoogles.
Skål!
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Cheers, man. We may disagree on shit, but I'm sure we'd still manage to get hammered together without any major altercations, if it weren't for teh intergoogles.
Skål!
Cheers!! I have no doubt about that, I really am as easy going as they come in person. Nothing is really THAT big of a deal anymore lol...life is short and no one makes it out alive.
My longest standing friend I actually got in a fight with at a bar in college (this is literally how I met him, his first "words" to me was a haymaker, he just came out of no where because of his friend). 10 minutes later we were at the bar having a drink laughing about it. Conflict with gentlemen is not a bad thing many times lol.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
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Society should try to arrive him.
Because we know loosers are couldn't bear to idea about fe. Maybe he can adopt the society by an idea of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". So he should be our friend if we know make use of true.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
Trump said a lot of shit. Saying stuff is easy.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
Yes, and they don't trust Trump (By their opinion a maniac) to do such thing.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
Yes, and they don't trust Trump (By their opinion a maniac) to do such thing.
Perhaps they need to calm down and give the man a chance before deciding whether or not to trust him?
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
Yes, and they don't trust Trump (By their opinion a maniac) to do such thing.
Perhaps they need to calm down and give the man a chance before deciding whether or not to trust him?
They would rather have a president they trust right away, or at least one that won't try to 'fix' the thing they depend on for a stable well-being.
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Space Cowgirl, I know you're not fond of swastikas. Perhaps you should check out Intikam's sig.
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The liberal media has been demonizing trump for 18 months...saying he will destroy the planet so the average person who can't read between the lines or have critical thinking skills (especially an issue with liberals) would of course be scared.
The guy is a master showman, he knew what he had to do to fire people up enough to get up and vote, and that is what he did. Look at his acceptance speech, that is business trump. You know he wanted to gloat and to go off. You know his supporters wanted him to as well after the bullshit the media and all other liberals pulled.
He didn't though, he did what was right. Showed he is going to take the job serious, put his own wants aside (which is a big deal for him).
Plus instead of playing in on the collective liberal hype, just read what proposals he is actually putting out. It is just simple business tactics 101, something you would do taking over any existing business. Nothing crazy or new, just basic stuff.
Liberals are just throwing a tantrum like the babies they are because they aren't getting their way for once. So they are yelling the world is burning of course. Though I guess i would be pissed too if my free ride is about to be threatened, and I might actually have to do something instead of being all talk and bluster.
Whole point, look at what he is proposing to start off with. It is just checkes and balances(which is extremely out of proportion with all the free money and give away trades), and just focusing on America for once, trying to get some jobs back here and rebuild some of the damage.
Nothing frightening about that....
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Space Cowgirl, I know you're not fond of swastikas. Perhaps you should check out Intikam's sig.
I don't see a swastika in it, did he change it? Also, are you fond of swastikas? Weirdo.
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I've spoken with my US friends... some seem to rely on Obama care for insurance and healthcare, they're afraid Trump is going to mess with it.
Trump said he's would fix healthcare, not eliminate it.
Yes, and they don't trust Trump (By their opinion a maniac) to do such thing.
Congress has already vowed to repeal the ACA. Trump says he'll fix healthcare with healthcare plans no one has even thought about yet!
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IS IR REALLY COMING DOWN TO THIS:
Are these people for real?
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Space Cowgirl, I know you're not fond of swastikas. Perhaps you should check out Intikam's sig.
I don't see a swastika in it, did he change it? Also, are you fond of swastikas? Weirdo.
WAIT A MINUTE, I just saw the swastika >:(
Okay, I will tell him to get rid of it.
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IS IR REALLY COMING DOWN TO THIS:
Are these people for real?
Just further proof to when I say liberals are adult sized children having a slow motion temper tantrum. Something is always wrong when they are getting their way, but all hell breaks loose when they don't.
Just like a child throwing a fit, just walk away, let their own cries echo inside their empty head.
Plus, just like a spoiled brat....when you know daddy is about to start saying no and cutting you off...you throw even a bigger bitch fit.
Narcissistic entitlement is a bitch, but can be cured by not feeding the beast
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Space Cowgirl, I know you're not fond of swastikas. Perhaps you should check out Intikam's sig.
I don't see a swastika in it, did he change it? Also, are you fond of swastikas? Weirdo.
WAIT A MINUTE, I just saw the swastika >:(
Okay, I will tell him to get rid of it.
Why?
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Space Cowgirl, I know you're not fond of swastikas. Perhaps you should check out Intikam's sig.
I don't see a swastika in it, did he change it? Also, are you fond of swastikas? Weirdo.
WAIT A MINUTE, I just saw the swastika >:(
Okay, I will tell him to get rid of it.
Why?
Why what? It was a joke. RELAX.
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Checking out his policies. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies. This might seem harsher than I intend. If I went through Hillary's policies I'd probably have a lot of criticisms also.
Things I like:
Making infrastructure a priority. Seems like a better use of money than bombing people.
Wtihdrawing from TPP.
Modifying existing trade agreements. But only if he can do it in way that doesn't cause more harm than good.
I'm liking everything I see under child care. I think they're positive changes.
Making mental health a priority.
Veterans Affairs. I'd like to see some more concrete ideas but it's good to make this a priority. We have an obligation morally and practically to make these people whole.
I like in general he seems to want to not get us involved in things like Iraq.
Things I don't like:
His approach to cybersecurity. It doesn't appear here but during the primaries he stated many times his intention to allow the government to allow the government to censor websites for the purposes of security. And intends to dismantle net neutrality. This suggests to me that Trump doesn't understand the first amendment, it's history and the consequences of failing to defend it.
Trump's tax plan. This appears to be a reiteration of supply side economics, a policy we've been pursuing for the last 30 years which seems to benefit the upper class and no one else. If Trump were really interested in helping the middle class, he'd institute a policy of demand side economics.
National Defense. From the looks of his policy it appears that Trump may believe we're still fighting World War 2. I believe in a strong military. There's a lot of value to having a military so strong that our military supremacy is indisputable. But this is far beyond what's necessary. As it stands the largest airforce in the world is the U.S. Airforce. The second largest airforce in the world is the U.S. navy. The Nimitz class carrier is at least twice as large as any other carrier and it is nigh invulnerable with enough firepower to turn just about any nation into a glass parking lot. We have 10 of these.
Crime. I'm not specifically against what he's saying here but the problem is it seems to be based on the assumption that crime is out of control and on the rise. The data clearly shows that this is the safest time in American history. So I'm worried about Trump spending resources unnecessarily or infringing on civil liberties for what is basically the boogie man.
Energy. I'm seeing an intention to really double down on fossil fuels here. There is no mention of alternative energy so I'm assuming those industries will not be supported. This is very disappointing. All of the nations giving us trouble are heavily dependent on petroleum exports. What I would have liked to have seem post 9-11 is instead of spending 2T on endless wars, I'd have done a serious push for alternative energy. This country is far and away the biggest consumer of petroleum on the planet. If we took that away from them, that's a level of control far greater than an army. Burning coal might work for now but other countries aren't so short sighted. We're going to get left behind in an important industry.
Healthcare. Whatever problems there might be with Obamacare it is at least something. What I'm seeing on Trump's website is a lot of nothing. There's no plan here. I'm guessing we're going back to declaring bankruptcy and losing your house if you break a leg? I'm hoping he comes up with something soon because he's definitely capable of repealing Obamacare.
Education. I'm not sure what to think of this one. I'm seeing a lot of talk of "school choice" which is usually a code word for making the government pay for teaching creationism to kids. But maybe I'm wrong on that.
Immigration. This is the one where Trump gets called a racist for the most. I wouldn't go that far. It's silly to suggest that its racist for a country to control it's borders. The problem is, like his idea of crime, this isn't rooted in reality. Net immigration has been negative for the past 5 years. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ If Trump builds a wall it's going to be holding them in.
Regulations. There are some onerous, highly counter productive regulations out there. I'm sure of that. What concerns me here is the contempt Trump has demonstrated in his debates for things such as the EPA. He has the perspective of a businessman, where he sees regulations only as an impediment. But that's a narrow view. These regulations are also the things that prevent our lakes from catching fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River. There is no free market solution to the problem of 'The Tragedy of the Commons'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
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Checking out his policies. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies. This might seem harsher than I intend. If I went through Hillary's policies I'd probably have a lot of criticisms also.
Things I like:
Making infrastructure a priority. Seems like a better use of money than bombing people.
Wtihdrawing from TPP.
Modifying existing trade agreements. But only if he can do it in way that doesn't cause more harm than good.
I'm liking everything I see under child care. I think they're positive changes.
Making mental health a priority.
Veterans Affairs. I'd like to see some more concrete ideas but it's good to make this a priority. We have an obligation morally and practically to make these people whole.
I like in general he seems to want to not get us involved in things like Iraq.
Things I don't like:
His approach to cybersecurity. It doesn't appear here but during the primaries he stated many times his intention to allow the government to allow the government to censor websites for the purposes of security. And intends to dismantle net neutrality. This suggests to me that Trump doesn't understand the first amendment, it's history and the consequences of failing to defend it.
Trump's tax plan. This appears to be a reiteration of supply side economics, a policy we've been pursuing for the last 30 years which seems to benefit the upper class and no one else. If Trump were really interested in helping the middle class, he'd institute a policy of demand side economics.
National Defense. From the looks of his policy it appears that Trump may believe we're still fighting World War 2. I believe in a strong military. There's a lot of value to having a military so strong that our military supremacy is indisputable. But this is far beyond what's necessary. As it stands the largest airforce in the world is the U.S. Airforce. The second largest airforce in the world is the U.S. navy. The Nimitz class carrier is at least twice as large as any other carrier and it is nigh invulnerable with enough firepower to turn just about any nation into a glass parking lot. We have 10 of these.
Crime. I'm not specifically against what he's saying here but the problem is it seems to be based on the assumption that crime is out of control and on the rise. The data clearly shows that this is the safest time in American history. So I'm worried about Trump spending resources unnecessarily or infringing on civil liberties for what is basically the boogie man.
Energy. I'm seeing an intention to really double down on fossil fuels here. There is no mention of alternative energy so I'm assuming those industries will not be supported. This is very disappointing. All of the nations giving us trouble are heavily dependent on petroleum exports. What I would have liked to have seem post 9-11 is instead of spending 2T on endless wars, I'd have done a serious push for alternative energy. This country is far and away the biggest consumer of petroleum on the planet. If we took that away from them, that's a level of control far greater than an army. Burning coal might work for now but other countries aren't so short sighted. We're going to get left behind in an important industry.
Healthcare. Whatever problems there might be with Obamacare it is at least something. What I'm seeing on Trump's website is a lot of nothing. There's no plan here. I'm guessing we're going back to declaring bankruptcy and losing your house if you break a leg? I'm hoping he comes up with something soon because he's definitely capable of repealing Obamacare.
Education. I'm not sure what to think of this one. I'm seeing a lot of talk of "school choice" which is usually a code word for making the government pay for teaching creationism to kids. But maybe I'm wrong on that.
Immigration. This is the one where Trump gets called a racist for the most. I wouldn't go that far. It's silly to suggest that its racist for a country to control it's borders. The problem is, like his idea of crime, this isn't rooted in reality. Net immigration has been negative for the past 5 years. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/ If Trump builds a wall it's going to be holding them in.
Regulations. There are some onerous, highly counter productive regulations out there. I'm sure of that. What concerns me here is the contempt Trump has demonstrated in his debates for things such as the EPA. He has the perspective of a businessman, where he sees regulations only as an impediment. But that's a narrow view. These regulations are also the things that prevent our lakes from catching fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River. There is no free market solution to the problem of 'The Tragedy of the Commons'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
I just want to say I agree with your conclusions here. I don't like to make presumptions about people unless I have some concrete reasons. A random video of trump talking in private with a friend and very possibly making a joke is not a concrete reason, and sometimes people read more between the lines than there really is. That he has had multiple businesses go bankrupt and he made a scam university is some concrete reasons to believe that he is not a business genius and that he's a dishonest person. That he won the election is a pretty concrete reason to believe he's a PR genius.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw1uiYbWIAMHPgg.jpg)
In Philadelphia. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html
There is proof out there that these were done by anti trump protesters during the anti trump riots.
I don't need to post links, there is proof on youtube; a few video with anti trump protesters seen spraying swastikas and trump on shop fronts in Philadelphia , Chicago and and Seattle. Also one Latino female admits to Punching trump supporters and her opinion is that people have to die to get the message out that trump is not a legitimate president. WTF American Democrats >:( Disgusting.
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Are we still mocki g the poles?
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There is no way the tolerant liberals would do that.
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I don't need to post links, there is proof on youtube
Hahahahahahaha, "there is proof on youtube"! Oh man, that's hilarious... Proof on youtube... ;D
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I don't need to post links, there is proof on youtube
Hahahahahahaha, "there is proof on youtube"! Oh man, that's hilarious... Proof on youtube... ;D
HAHAHA ahhhh so CCTV footage lies? I didn't want to post the video because its mostly distasteful clips of lefties being retarted
Lets add the evidence up....
*Lefties think trump = Nazi / bigot / xenophobe / racist / Sexist / Misogynist and have said it enough times.
*Riots break out after trump is elected. Lefties are salty as fuck screaming and crying like they had been denied entitlement for the first time in their lives.
*CCTV footage of such riots show protesters vandalizing shop fronts with swastikas and anti trump slogans.
Case Closed.
http://time.com/4565532/racist-graffiti-donald-trump-philadelphia/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/anti-trump-nazi-graffiti-structures-us-amid-protests/story?id=43442742
Suck my knee.
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Does the word "sarcasm" mean anything to you? I guess not. ;D
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Does the word "sarcasm" mean anything to you? I guess not. ;D
Not much... no. I have mild Asperger's. you need to be very clear.
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*Riots break out after trump is elected. Lefties are salty as fuck screaming and crying like they had been denied entitlement for the first time in their lives.
Yeah, not like Trump supporters were threatening armed revolution if Hillary won, or that the riot-wing rioted after Obama was elected.
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*Riots break out after trump is elected. Lefties are salty as fuck screaming and crying like they had been denied entitlement for the first time in their lives.
Yeah, not like Trump supporters were threatening armed revolution if Hillary won, or that the riot-wing rioted after Obama was elected.
Threatening..... Do you really think anyone would have armed themselves up and gone on a revolution? of course not.
But Yeah your right, they were nothing alike. The only protest I ever heard about was on the Ole Miss campus.
Don't recall any riots, just a few political tea parties. Can you prove different?
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Threatening..... Do you really think anyone would have armed themselves up and gone on a revolution? of course not.
But Yeah your right, they were nothing alike. The only protest I ever heard about was on the Ole Miss campus.
Don't recall any riots, just a few political tea parties. Can you prove different?
There definitely would've been something. Trump's campaign was built on encouraging violence, including egging on people attacking hecklers at his rallies, and claiming that the election was rigged if he lost. Do you think that hatred would vanish overnight?
Sure, it was different after Obama, because from what I've seen the right-wing areas are typically more rural, so the logistics are completely different to arranging marches in cities, and tensions ran a lot higher after this election, but Obama's presidency has been filled with protests and cries of impeachment and paper-thin excuses for outcry.
Compare with typically peaceful protests and marches, with the majority actively condemning the violent minority (as happened in Portland)...
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Threatening..... Do you really think anyone would have armed themselves up and gone on a revolution? of course not.
But Yeah your right, they were nothing alike. The only protest I ever heard about was on the Ole Miss campus.
Don't recall any riots, just a few political tea parties. Can you prove different?
There definitely would've been something. Trump's campaign was built on encouraging violence, including egging on people attacking hecklers at his rallies, and claiming that the election was rigged if he lost. Do you think that hatred would vanish overnight?
What; You mean the hecklers that were bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign?
James O'Keefe released a series of videos on Project Veritas' YouTube channel titled "Rigging the Election" that he alleges show former national field director Scott Foval of Americans United for Change discussing planting agitators, including "mentally ill people that we pay to do shit” in front of Donald Trump rallies to ask questions near reporters, a common practice they call "bird dogging"
Do you think Trump should have conceded if he was to loose the election despite a huge amount of public support and positivity, whilst leftist controlled media and prediction polls showing he was miles behind?
I think at least an official investigation would have been necessary before conceding.
Sure, it was different after Obama, because from what I've seen the right-wing areas are typically more rural, so the logistics are completely different to arranging marches in cities, and tensions ran a lot higher after this election,
Compare with typically peaceful protests and marches, with the majority actively condemning the violent minority (as happened in Portland)...
To protest is a right in this the US, They have the right to assemble, but when they start destroying stuff being violent and setting fires in the streets they have crossed the line.
The minute these people start doing that kind of stuff they become a criminal instead of a protester.. It's Domestic Terrorism.
You don’t have the right to interfere with any other American’s LIBERTY.
I Hope the police deal with them accordingly. Get the fire department out there and hose em down if they have to.
Also to all you folks that have come into America illegally. You’re are not immigrants, you are a criminal. I hope President Trump finds every last one of you and either sends you back to where you came from or “go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.”
Obama's presidency has been filled with protests and cries of impeachment and paper-thin excuses for outcry.
Could you list a few on these, ones you disagree with. Just a couple would be fine.
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
Yeah, I'm with you. Rejecting most news as biased media and only following a select few conspiracy-minded idiots makes discussion impossible.
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
But you believe the world is flat right ???
Can you prove the "rigging the election" video evidence false?
You have a hidden camera filming someone admitting to taking money from the DNC and Clinton campaign to disrupt Trumps campaign.
They admit to paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies, sending out Donald Ducks, and Media officials letting the Clinton campaign chose the questions that she would be asked by the media and also decide what questions The media put to Trump.
I don't care what you think of the source. You have rose colored glades for Democrats. They were bent as fuck. :-*
Here have a mainstream media link ::)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/23/project-veritas-videos-could-land-hillary-clinton-/
Here have a link from Clinton News Network
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
Yeah, I'm with you. Rejecting most news as biased media and only following a select few conspiracy-minded idiots makes discussion impossible.
I don't know why anyone takes O'Keefe seriously. He's been proved a fake several times already, using his own "raw footage" which he now refuses to release. I'm sure he's worried about being convicted of a crime again, since he's broken Florida's wiretapping laws.
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
Can you prove the "rigging the election" video evidence false?
You have a hidden camera filming someone admitting to taking money from the DNC and Clinton campaign to disrupt Trumps campaign.
They admit to paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies, sending out Donald Ducks, and Media officials letting the Clinton campaign chose the questions that she would be asked by the media and also decide what questions The media put to Trump.
I don't care what you think of the source. You have rose colored glades for Democrats. They were bent as fuck.
I don't know what rose colored glades are (or Donald Ducks), but it's apparent that you see what you want to see.
O'Keefe secretly filmed Democrats discussing proposals (to disrupt Trump rallies) made by O'Keefe's operatives. Do you understand that? If he had straight up caught these people plotting to disrupt Trump rallies, why the need for all the editing? Why won't he release the raw footage? You must know that all his videos have been debunked? Or do you still believe he dressed up like a pimp and went into that ACORN office?
Why do you put your faith in this guy? Most people are aware that the media is biased and/or corrupt. Why can't you see it when the bias is in your favor?
Also, The Washington Times? lol Moonies, have you heard of them?
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First you use World Net Daily as a source, and now James O'Keefe? Wowza.
Can you prove the "rigging the election" video evidence false?
You have a hidden camera filming someone admitting to taking money from the DNC and Clinton campaign to disrupt Trumps campaign.
They admit to paying people to incite violence at Trump rallies, sending out Donald Ducks, and Media officials letting the Clinton campaign chose the questions that she would be asked by the media and also decide what questions The media put to Trump.
I don't care what you think of the source. You have rose colored glades for Democrats. They were bent as fuck.
I don't know what rose colored glades are (or Donald Ducks), but it's apparent that you see what you want to see.
O'Keefe secretly filmed Democrats discussing proposals (to disrupt Trump rallies) made by O'Keefe's operatives. Do you understand that? If he had straight up caught these people plotting to disrupt Trump rallies, why the need for all the editing? Why won't he release the raw footage? You must know that all his videos have been debunked? Or do you still believe he dressed up like a pimp and went into that ACORN office?
Why do you put your faith in this guy? Most people are aware that the media is biased and/or corrupt. Why can't you see it when the bias is in your favor?
Also, The Washington Times? lol Moonies, have you heard of them?
Regardless of what you believe (and remember, you believe the world is flat, LOL ), allegations have been made. Those allegations need investigating. If I were trump; I think I would throw them out of my rallies too. Your still avoiding the meat of my arguments.
but when they start destroying stuff being violent and setting fires in the streets they have crossed the line.
The minute these people start doing that kind of stuff they become a criminal instead of a protester.. It's Domestic Terrorism.
You don’t have the right to interfere with any other American’s LIBERTY.
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Well, I happen to agree that destroying property and other forms of violence are crimes. The police are arresting people they catch doing these things, just like they do for anything else. I'm not sure how this is the "meat" of your argument.
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Well, I happen to agree that destroying property and other forms of violence are crimes. The police are arresting people they catch doing these things, just like they do for anything else. I'm not sure how this is the "meat" of your argument.
Ill paraphrase for you;
You "Oh no,trump supporters are drawing swastikas everywhere"
Me "Oh no, I believe they were done by salty Clinton supporters"
You "were not. Why would Clinton supporters do that"
Me "were too. I have seen a few videos, with anti Trump protesters getting up to such behavior"
Jane "What do you expect, its Trumps fault for inciting violence"
Me " Whoa, There were reasons behind that, Allegations made etc"
You" your sources don't agree with my world view"
jane "nor mine"
Me "I don't care what sources you agree with, allegations were made and need investigating. Trump had the right to kick the people out of his rallies. The protests are disgusting and becoming illegal"
You "I agree"
Do you believe its trumps fault?
Do you not think Obama needs to step in and remind the people of the democratic process and ask them to go peacefully home?
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And now we have a protestor defecating on a Trump sign and smearing it all over it.......... in public......... classy.
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And now we have a protestor defecating on a Trump sign and smearing it all over it.......... in public......... classy.
SEEN IT - BARF :o
I would be classy and leave it off here but.... you know.... Classiness is over!
Leftist america YOU ARE SICK
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And now we have a protestor defecating on a Trump sign and smearing it all over it.......... in public......... classy.
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.
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Are we new to the liberal agenda??? Yall seem surprised in the hypocrisy....this is nothing new.
They are "tolerant" to their own views....everything else is evil, stupid, and should be banished. But they are "tolerant".
EVERYTHING is racism, unless of course it attacks the average white person, then it's good and right. By the way, keep working white man, we need your labor and money because we are not gonna do it....wait a minute, this is sounding like deja vu of a time in the past.
Nothing is anyone's fault personally...always someone elses fault, unless it has to do with a conservative. It's their fault, period. All actions of Democrats is there fault as well. Not even any credit for not doing what Democrats are doing right now, even though we were pissed about a socialist bring president. Guess that is the difference when one side has to get up and go to work in the morning.
Speaking of that....anyone want to guess the unemployment rate of the "protesters"?? Anyone want to guess how many of them are "college" kids on a free ride that do nothing or know nothing. Wanna guess how many of them are an actual drain on society??? That literally not only not give anything to society, but actually is a negative drain.....
Yet burning flags, destroying personal property and shitting on things, that is normal and "patriotic". Not to mention wasting law enforcement time and tax money when they should be else where. Wanna bet what the media would say if conservatives did this?? Hell we couldn't even say we disagreed with Obama without bring a racist evil piece of shit cave man.
Ever wonder why liberals are in jobs that actually DO nothing, produce nothing etc etc....this I find very interesting. All bluster and no muster?? Sounds about right
Think I am done for now....... I am beginning to worry about liberals more and more. If y'all are intelligent, then you remind me of an acquaintance of mine. Literally clueless, with zero lack of commonsense. However, had a photographic memory, could remember tech books word for word, even citing the page number, from a book a decade ago. One of the single impressive, yet completely disappointing things I have seen.
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And now we have a protestor defecating on a Trump sign and smearing it all over it.......... in public......... classy.
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.
Agreed. He's our president now and that's that.
Any criticism, fecal based or otherwise, should be aimed at his actions going forward, not Trump himself.
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And now we have a protestor defecating on a Trump sign and smearing it all over it.......... in public......... classy.
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.
Agreed. He's our president now and that's that.
Any criticism, fecal based or otherwise, should be aimed at his actions going forward, not Trump himself.
One thing I must give to the liberals, being able to poop in public like that. Coming from someone who gets stage fright just peeing because there is "someone else" in the stall next to you, or even in the same bathroom. Complete public urination, not gonna happen... literally won't happen.
Now, being completely sauced, I can do some controlled public urination by a dumpster or the such (have an old ticket that vouches for this)...however still, public poop....never. literally won't happen...
So again, good job at "completing" something liberals....that takes determination and serious bowel control for such a completion.
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
Your cone shaped head is just full of things I agree with. The words like 'liberal', 'conservative', 'sjw', they're ad hominems. I find many labels are. I'm noticing in many discussions is when we label someone as a specific group then the discourse ends. We're now arguing against a strawman, often a ridiculous one.
This portrait of a liberal as someone who only wants to smoke pot and live off the government while droning on and on about safe spaces and 'checking your privilege' is a fiction. It's one side of view judging the other side of view by their absolute worst element.
Those evil lefties put just as much of their blood, sweat and tears into building this country as anyone else.
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
This is legitimate. Suppose it is just blowing off steam to being demonized as the right wing. Surely not productive, but I know nothing I or any conservative would say in an attempted productive conversation would have any bearing or effect in a typical liberal. So I figure why not..
Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?
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Yes labels are bad...I hate them, which is something I have tried to convince Jane and other people of. The party she shares her views with love labels, it brings divide not togetherness. I don't want to be black, white, gay, trans etc....I just want to be a Tom, a Harry, an Elizabeth...a name and a person, not a thing.
Then restore the nations checks and balances, have everyone pull their own weight and I will be content. That is all
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
I think the issue is more about the hypocrisy of the anti-Trump protesters. They roasted Trump and his supporters as being awful people who did lot's of "crazy shit," and it is true that some of that went on. But now the anti-Trump protesters are out there doing as bad and worse. And yes, I am making broad generalizations on both sides. I am sure there are lots of individuals who this does not apply to.
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Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?
The attempted communication is only ineffective because it starts from a disingenuous place. And I'm not just talking about you, I mean political discussions in general. People pick a team, as if their team captain (read: Hillary, Trump, etc) actually gives a shit about them or their values beyond the tally mark they want on election day, and then demonize and dehumanize the other team as if everyone on the other team is part of one giant hive mind.
So what does result in progress? A little bit of understanding. For the liberal, ask yourself why the fuck are so many people fed up with the government that someone of a liberal persuasion is supposed to believe is out to help everyone, and maybe take a second to chew on that instead of dismissing it a garbage words streaming from a crazy person's mouth. For the conservatives, let's be honest that sometimes the right wing hasn't really been there for the working poor who provide the foundation for all of the white collar people that actually benefit from a lot of the policies put forth by the Republican party in the last 20 years or so. And those working poor aren't mostly lazy, drug-addicted welfare queens who deserve their fate.
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing on how to move forward. But arguing about how stupid everyone on the other team is, because the other team is being defined by its worst elements, is dragging us all into the shitter and turning people who would otherwise be friends into arch-enemies. It's fucked up. There's a lot of real, actual hatred out there, and over caricatured versions of reality instead of over actual people with actual beliefs, positions, and opinions. It isn't going to get better if no one makes an effort to walk away from the low-hanging fruit that those caricatures are.
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
This portrait of a liberal as someone who only wants to smoke pot and live off the government while droning on and on about safe spaces and 'checking your privilege' is a fiction. It's one side of view judging the other side of view by their absolute worst element.
The portrait of a republican/ Conservative as someone who looks down upon their fellow citizens, Keeping their women tied to the kitchen sink, while shouting misogynistic/ racial slurs, is an equally one sided view.
We don't all fit in these boxes, but we are forced to by the other side. Were not going to be able to move forward until both sides can agree to not put the opposition in these boxes.
I don't want to be called racist for calling illegal immigration a legitimate problem as much as a student in college wants the label of a lazy pot head. Both sides need to change behavior. unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. Especially with the SJW movement in full swing. :(
Although I don't agree with the gloating in this video and I do find Sargon a bit condescending and rude; I agree with the overall views and the facts that back them up.
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I'm trying really hard not to post lots of crazy shit people who profess to be "conservatives" have done. This broad-stroke painting doesn't really result in any progress.
This portrait of a liberal as someone who only wants to smoke pot and live off the government while droning on and on about safe spaces and 'checking your privilege' is a fiction. It's one side of view judging the other side of view by their absolute worst element.
The portrait of a republican/ Conservative as someone who looks down upon their fellow citizens, Keeping their women tied to the kitchen sink, while shouting misogynistic/ racial slurs, is an equally one sided view.
We don't all fit in these boxes, but we are forced to by the other side. Were not going to be able to move forward until both sides can agree to not put the opposition in these boxes.
I don't want to be called racist for calling illegal immigration a legitimate problem as much as a student in college wants the label of a lazy pot head. Both sides need to change behavior. unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. Especially with the SJW movement in full swing. :(
Although I don't agree with the gloating in this video and I do find Sargon a bit condescending and rude; I agree with the overall views and the facts that back them up.
I don't view the Right that way. I'm sure there are many on the left that do though.
I watch Sargon of Akkad along with many other channels like it quite a bit. I tend to agree with them but I have to say that the targets of these videos are often specific to the University environment. College these days is a little, odd. If I were to be charitable I'd say a lot of college age kids are still trying to refine their sense of right and wrong and they're occasionally making some dumb mistakes along the way.
Calling someone racist for wanting to control national borders is just silly. The nuance of this issue has become lost. Often it seems to be portrayed as either you want totally open borders or you're racist. Well we have legitimate reasons for controlling access to our country that have nothing to do with racism. Not that I agree with Trump's extremely heavy handed plan for dealing this. I can't find the video right now but Sam Harris brought up some excellent points about this.
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Yes labels are bad...I hate them, which is something I have tried to convince Jane and other people of. The party she shares her views with love labels, it brings divide not togetherness. I don't want to be black, white, gay, trans etc....I just want to be a Tom, a Harry, an Elizabeth...a name and a person, not a thing.
Some people need labels. The only time labels aren't going to be required is when there's no difference between anyone, which isn't a situation we live in. Pretending the divides don't exist doesn't help anyone. Have you noticed that the people who're most vocal about their labels are those that fight against what they call oppression? This goes both ways, from black and gay etc people, to white-priders. Labels are needed for solidarity, and solidarity is needed to face oppression.
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Sam Harris has brought up some excellent points on a lot of things.
I hardly believe there will be a "wall" I believe it will be a new fence at best, or more likely a metaphorical wall, Just a strengthened border patrol. I agree that trump needs to be seen to sending Mexicans with no visa's back to mexico. If they want to come back, get the appropriate paperwork, pay your taxes and become an American. a bit of a PITA for them but hardly the end of the earth.
The same applies to other illegals.
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Yes labels are bad...I hate them, which is something I have tried to convince Jane and other people of. The party she shares her views with love labels, it brings divide not togetherness. I don't want to be black, white, gay, trans etc....I just want to be a Tom, a Harry, an Elizabeth...a name and a person, not a thing.
Some people need labels. The only time labels aren't going to be required is when there's no difference between anyone, which isn't a situation we live in. Pretending the divides don't exist doesn't help anyone. Have you noticed that the people who're most vocal about their labels are those that fight against what they call oppression? This goes both ways, from black and gay etc people, to white-priders. Labels are needed for solidarity, and solidarity is needed to face oppression.
NO Jane, labels just cause conflict.
The Poor are the only ones who are truley oppressed regardless of race/religion/gender.
Edited to avoid labels
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Wait, when did the Libertarians start convincing people they're oppressed?
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NO Jane, labels just cause conflict.
The Poor are the only ones who are truley oppressed regardless of race/religion/gender.
Edited to avoid labels
Please tell me you're joking.
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NO Jane, labels just cause conflict.
The Poor are the only ones who are truly oppressed regardless of race/religion/gender.
Edited to avoid labels
Please tell me you're joking.
Not at all.
Are you going to tell me who the oppressed are?
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NO Jane, labels just cause conflict.
The Poor are the only ones who are truley oppressed regardless of race/religion/gender.
Edited to avoid labels
Please tell me you're joking.
I can see Jane banging on her keyboard this very second lol.
You forgot women, damn misogynist... ;D
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NO Jane, labels just cause conflict.
The Poor are the only ones who are truley oppressed regardless of race/religion/gender.
Edited to avoid labels
Please tell me you're joking.
I can see Jane banging on her keyboard this very second lol.
You forgot women, damn misogynist... ;D
I'm awaiting a measured response, but I'm doubting it will be measured. Ill just have to endure a spewed rhetoric of the usual propaganda
perhaps I can preempt a few things;
Women = NO
Today women Aren’t Oppressed, They’re Actually The Most Protected Class In Our Society. Women control the very purpose of life. to recreate. Women chose if they want to get pregnant, stay pregnant and whom they want to mate with. Woman have next to, if not absolute equality in the workplace. Sometimes women actually have an advantage due to sex appeal. (Ok the last bit is sexist but women take advantage of the benefit all the time)
Blacks = No ish
Today, blacks are the CEOs of Massive corporations (American Express, AOL/Time Warner and Merrill Lynch.) Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire and Colin Powell is Secretary of State and your currant president is black. This is not pre 60's America.
Many blacks do remain oppressed, but not by white Americans. Rather, it is by blacks who relish a perverse sub-culture of low standards and perpetual victimization. No longer do white racists tell black children books are for white people. Today, black people do this. Every day, black children suffer ridicule and disgrace for doing their homework, behaving in class, striving for excellence.
Shall I go on?
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Are you guys really accusing Jane of not giving measured responses? No matter how rude you've been towards her, she patiently answers your accusations and questions. I don't know why she bothers.
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Are you guys really accusing Jane of not giving measured responses? No matter how rude you've been towards her, she patiently answers your accusations and questions. I don't know why she bothers.
See SC that how you see it. What if I see things differently? What if I believe I have not been rude towards her at all,(I believe this) but her responses have been the usual SJW rhetoric? (they have to an extent.)
The reason for bothering is the debate at hand. The state of things in the USA, the reason and why Trump got elected.
The opposition had had enough. You cant see why because You have detached from reality.
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There is nothing wrong with a female using her looks as an advantage. Just like a business, measuring and using all available assets to get the advantage.
If I were a smart, attractive and ambitious female, I would use every bit of it to my advantage. I might even act dumb at times...the element if suprise is invaluable.
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There is nothing wrong with a female using her looks as an advantage. Just like a business, measuring and using all available assets to get the advantage.
If I were a smart, attractive and ambitious female, I would use every bit of it to my advantage. I might even act dumb at times...the element if suprise is invaluable.
What in the world?
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Are you guys really accusing Jane of not giving measured responses? No matter how rude you've been towards her, she patiently answers your accusations and questions. I don't know why she bothers.
Lol....typical.
Fyi I have been nothing but polite to Jane during this whole song and dance. Even when she exploded on me after the election, I still replied with a measured response. I take a little poke here and there, nothing more or less than she dishes.
I did not even respond with anger when you chimed in trying to gas light me not too long ago
There is nothing wrong with a female using her looks as an advantage. Just like a business, measuring and using all available assets to get the advantage.
If I were a smart, attractive and ambitious female, I would use every bit of it to my advantage. I might even act dumb at times...the element if suprise is invaluable.
What in the world?
Read getreal's comment on women using looks as an advantage
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
There's no need for that.
I am not right in the head doesn't mean I should be ignored and ridiculed, GRZ does have some issues and it isn't fair to discriminate against any group of people like that.
Especially just for posting things we may disagree with.
I understand people disagree and get annoyed with one another but we are all just branches of the same tree.
Also I haven't really been following this thread, what are we debating now?
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
The term for that problem is: cognitive dissonance. You just don't want to hear the concerns of someone with a differing opinion to yours.
You say i'm not right in the head, Yet I just get on with my life and its OK. The hand I got dealt wasn't ideal. It wasn't bad either. I did my best to get ahead of the game.
I didn't like the direction the UK was heading. I voted Brexit. It seams many agreed with me.
US was heading a similar way, I thought Donald would win, HE DID.... Many agreed with me.
YOU DONT UNDERTAND WHY; I'm just trying to let you in on the reasoning.
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perhaps I can preempt a few things;
Women = NO
Today women Aren’t Oppressed, They’re Actually The Most Protected Class In Our Society. Women control the very purpose of life. to recreate. Women chose if they want to get pregnant, stay pregnant and whom they want to mate with. Woman have next to, if not absolute equality in the workplace. Sometimes women actually have an advantage due to sex appeal. (Ok the last bit is sexist but women take advantage of the benefit all the time)
Blacks = No ish
Today, blacks are the CEOs of Massive corporations (American Express, AOL/Time Warner and Merrill Lynch.) Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire and Colin Powell is Secretary of State. This is not my pre 60's America.
Many blacks do remain oppressed, but not by white Americans. Rather, it is by blacks who relish a perverse sub-culture of low standards and perpetual victimization. No longer do white racists tell black children books are for white people. Today, black people do this. Every day, black children suffer ridicule and disgrace for doing their homework, behaving in class, striving for excellence.
Shall I go on?
Do you not understand how oppression works? Let's just ignore how "Oh, a few people are successful," does not mean "The communities face no discrimination." At best, it means in limited areas one form of discrimination is lessened. And let's ignore how "Women chose if they want to get pregnant, stay pregnant," just isn't true.
Let's ignore the whole swathes of the US that celebrate ancestors that fought for slavery, the fact women have far more to fear than men on something as simple as walking home. I genuinely have no idea where to start with this. Have to admit though, kind of impressive that someone who's obviously a white guy claims to know the lives and experiences of communities of which he is not a part, better than they themselves do.
Far easier to blame it on a 'perverse sub-culture' huh? Rather than acknowledge how black neighbourhoods etc are always ignored and underfunded. And easy to say women have an advantage based on sex appeal, rather than ignoring the fact it's hardly their choice that men are going to choose who's competent based on who they'd rather fuck.
Christ.
Starting with women, let's look at the issue of employment, with plain, raw stats rather than empty rhetoric.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-earnings/archive/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2014.pdf
I'd suggest skipping straight to the statistical tables, it makes things a lot clearer. Table 2's a good long one, giving the percentage earning of women compared to men, over all fields. I really do suggest looking at the table, and looking at how long it is, and noting that it is near-universally the case that women are paid less than men doing the same job, with two exceptions: in one case they're paid the same, and in one case a woman makes 102% of what a man makes (in the vastly enriching field of 'stock clerks and order filers'). Literally everywhere else women make less. That's not something that can be brushed off as luck or coincidence. Even if you want to argue that men get promoted more to higher fields, why is that the case universally? Even in female-dominated fields, why do men earn more?
Plus the above references disparities in race as well. Asian and white people tend to do the best; and it's easy to see why Asian people do better, because there's the stereotype that Asians are smarter. Guess what? That's racism too: it undervalues the work they still have to put in. And, regardless, it's still a matter of racial judgement, and black and Hispanic populations still do much worse.
Maybe that's down to this 'perverse subculture' of yours? Or maybe black people just don't get hired for... guess why?
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
Simple little study, the exact same CV sent out, with only the name changed from a typically black name, to a typically white name. Guess who did overwhelmingly better?
There's an easy start. Let's see how this goes, I have no desire to explain the depth and complexity and pervasiveness of misogyny and racism in the US today.
There is nothing wrong with a female using her looks as an advantage. Just like a business, measuring and using all available assets to get the advantage.
If I were a smart, attractive and ambitious female, I would use every bit of it to my advantage. I might even act dumb at times...the element if suprise is invaluable.
Better yet, if you were a smart and attractive woman, see how you'd deal with guys deciding to brush off your success as "Oh, you just got hired because you're pretty."
Anyway, bonus round, homophobia and transphobia.
Homophobia: we could talk about marriage rights and the related benefits, we could talk about conversion therapy and how common it is and how it's likely to become more common in the new administration, and the fact that it has been proven conclusively to not work and that every reputable psychiatric institution holds to that statement, and that pretty much all it achieves is a spike in suicides. We could talk about how it's unthinkable for children to see gay couples in books and fiction etc when straight couples have no such obstacle.
Transphobia: we could talk about how trans people, despite being a small percentage of the population, make up 16% of murder victims and that's considered to be woefully underreported. We could talk about 'bathroom bills' which make zero sense because trans people going into their preferred bathrooms doesn't make assault legal, and with those bills you get scenes like this (http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/03/Hughesx633_0_0.jpg) which is apparently what they want to avoid. Or we could talk about how trans people are just punchlines.
There's a whirlwind tour for you.
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the fact women have far more to fear than men on something as simple as walking home.
Not for Caley Reece.
https://www.google.com.au/search?site=&source=hp&ei=dQwpWOOxLoy70ASnzYvADA&q=caley+reece&oq=caley+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.35i39k1j0i67k1j0j0i10i67k1j0.1875.3100.0.4368.8.7.1.1.1.0.435.2059.2-1j4j1.6.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.6.1394.3..0i131k1.zCSRhJ2OUag
Trained with her for years when I was younger, still 90% sure she'd kick my ass, except If I got a good double leg, her BJJ isn't as good as her Muay Thai.
Sorry that was a joke. ;D ;D
I'm gonna stay right out of this one actually.
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
The term for that problem is: cognitive dissonance. You just don't want to hear the concerns of someone with a differing opinion to yours.
You say i'm not right in the head, Yet I just get on with my life and its OK. The hand I got dealt wasn't ideal. It wasn't bad either. I did my best to get ahead of the game.
I didn't like the direction the UK was heading. I voted Brexit. It seams many agreed with me.
US was heading a similar way, I thought Donald would win, HE DID.... Many agreed with me.
YOU DONT UNDERTAND WHY; I'm just trying to let you in on the reasoning.
I don't give a shit about Brexit, I'm not from the UK.
Srsly, if you think I'm the one suffering from cognitive dissonance maybe you should watch a few more O'Keefe videos.
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
There's no need for that.
I am not right in the head doesn't mean I should be ignored and ridiculed, GRZ does have some issues and it isn't fair to discriminate against any group of people like that.
Especially just for posting things we may disagree with.
I understand people disagree and get annoyed with one another but we are all just branches of the same tree.
Also I haven't really been following this thread, what are we debating now?
Dude, please.
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I'm gonna stay right out of this one actually.
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The term for that problem is: cognitive dissonance. You just don't want to hear the concerns of someone with a differing opinion to yours.
That is a good summary of the generalized liberal outlook. Then fire ad hominems such as evil, sexist, racist, etc etc etc...
It is what it is...just gotta keep going and move forward. Someone actually has to take care of things somewhere, and someone has to do it. I want you to imagine the anarchy of ALL liberals and no conservatives running the show. I give it 5 years...
This also goes to towards what Jane said about my comments of an attractive, intelligent, and ambitious woman. I am sure there are guys that think that. Two things on this....
People like that are insecure because of their own failures or inadequacy. They will make excuses no matter what the situation, this has nothing to do with who the person is biologically. It is the mirror effect.
Two...so what? They are still succeeding....let the haters hate. This is no different than you writing off someone's success because of luck, where they come from, because they are a white male etc. Just another form of liberal hypocrisy....and I truly think y'all are too blind to even see it.
As for oppression....give me a break. In the united States, people that cry about that are ridiculous. Just an excuse for failure....once women were oppressed, once black people were...those days have long passed. Find another place to point the finger.
You want real oppression, I can take you to some places where this is true. Some places I have had to go to for business, other places explained to me by business contacts. Go fight for people in places that actually are...not for people looking for reasons to get handouts and projecting failure
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As for oppression....give me a break. In the united States, people that cry about that are ridiculous. Just an excuse for failure....once women were oppressed, once black people were...those days have long passed.
Well done, typing the words successfully solved the real and systemic issues which undeniably exist, as literally any look at unbiased stats shows.
Denying the problems isn't helping anyone.
You want real oppression, I can take you to some places where this is true. Some places I have had to go to for business, other places explained to me by business contacts. Go fight for people in places that actually are...not for people looking for reasons to get handouts and projecting failure
Yes, it's worse in some places, so? That doesn't mean oppression doesn't exist where you are, just that it also exists in a worse fashion elsewhere.
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perhaps I can preempt a few things;
Women = NO
Today women Aren’t Oppressed, They’re Actually The Most Protected Class In Our Society. Women control the very purpose of life. to recreate. Women chose if they want to get pregnant, stay pregnant and whom they want to mate with. Woman have next to, if not absolute equality in the workplace. Sometimes women actually have an advantage due to sex appeal. (Ok the last bit is sexist but women take advantage of the benefit all the time)
Blacks = No ish
Today, blacks are the CEOs of Massive corporations (American Express, AOL/Time Warner and Merrill Lynch.) Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire and Colin Powell is Secretary of State. This is not my pre 60's America.
Many blacks do remain oppressed, but not by white Americans. Rather, it is by blacks who relish a perverse sub-culture of low standards and perpetual victimization. No longer do white racists tell black children books are for white people. Today, black people do this. Every day, black children suffer ridicule and disgrace for doing their homework, behaving in class, striving for excellence.
Shall I go on?
Do you not understand how oppression works? Let's just ignore how "Oh, a few people are successful," does not mean "The communities face no discrimination." At best, it means in limited areas one form of discrimination is lessened. And let's ignore how "Women chose if they want to get pregnant, stay pregnant," just isn't true.
Let's ignore the whole swathes of the US that celebrate ancestors that fought for slavery, the fact women have far more to fear than men on something as simple as walking home. I genuinely have no idea where to start with this. Have to admit though, kind of impressive that someone who's obviously a white guy claims to know the lives and experiences of communities of which he is not a part, better than they themselves do.
Far easier to blame it on a 'perverse sub-culture' huh? Rather than acknowledge how black neighbourhoods etc are always ignored and underfunded. And easy to say women have an advantage based on sex appeal, rather than ignoring the fact it's hardly their choice that men are going to choose who's competent based on who they'd rather fuck.
Fist of notice how you discriminate against my opinions because I am obviously a white guy (SJW Rhetoric no 1 - race card) I have a mixed group of friends made up of English, french, Spanish, polish and Hungarian 2 are black, none claim any oppression, all have good a salary.
I do Know a girl who does claim she is oppressed because of racism, She is Asian and Poor, but educated and lazy! Her older sister is doing well though and I would dare say she would disagree. (This is just my world OK)
Blacks are the worst Oppressors of Black people and Trump pledged more money to inner city neighborhoods... So all good eh?
And on the sex appeal....
Its not just " choose who's competent based on who they'd rather fuck. My sister was turned down for a job she was more than qualified for by a WOMAN who wanted "a better face for HER company" Insistently the hired lady is quite a bit less qualified academically but tall, slim and brunet with plenty of sex appeal. This is not oppression. Its just Business. My sister is now a Deputy Head Teacher at a Local school with a very good salary. She didn't really miss out.
Starting with women, let's look at the issue of employment, with plain, raw stats rather than empty rhetoric.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-earnings/archive/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2014.pdf
I'd suggest skipping straight to the statistical tables, it makes things a lot clearer. Table 2's a good long one, giving the percentage earning of women compared to men, over all fields. I really do suggest looking at the table, and looking at how long it is, and noting that it is near-universally the case that women are paid less than men doing the same job, with two exceptions: in one case they're paid the same, and in one case a woman makes 102% of what a man makes (in the vastly enriching field of 'stock clerks and order filers'). Literally everywhere else women make less. That's not something that can be brushed off as luck or coincidence. Even if you want to argue that men get promoted more to higher fields, why is that the case universally? Even in female-dominated fields, why do men earn more?
Muh wage gap (No2 on the SJW attack list/No1 feminist survival guide)
"Muh wage gap" is a proven False claim. Never is it taken into account that many women chose to have family's and are part of the workforce for a shorter period of time over a lifetime. Not only that but during maternity leave (that could be between 9 months and 3 years) women are often out promoted my male counterparts. Women often chose Social type jobs over men who tend towards a higher paid technical. That's the perceived gap.
perhaps I can preempt a few things;
Plus the above references disparities in race as well. Asian and white people tend to do the best; and it's easy to see why Asian people do better, because there's the stereotype that Asians are smarter. Guess what? That's racism too: it undervalues the work they still have to put in. And, regardless, it's still a matter of racial judgement, and black and Hispanic populations still do much worse.
Maybe that's down to this 'perverse subculture' of yours? Or maybe black people just don't get hired for... guess why?
http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
Simple little study, the exact same CV sent out, with only the name changed from a typically black name, to a typically white name. Guess who did overwhelmingly better?
There's an easy start. Let's see how this goes, I have no desire to explain the depth and complexity and pervasiveness of misogyny and racism in the US today.
Ah Misognny SJW's No3.....Lets not, I have heard the Rhetoric over and over and its mostly Bollocks.
You, like SC have detached from reality. I suggest you look into the reasons why Your world view Is not shared by everyone and accept that in some of your ideas to other people. are plane wrong. You can not go through life screaming Misogynist, Racist, White Privilege, Sexist, Bigot etc... to everyone who disagrees with you. Those terms have been worn out... FAST
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
There's no need for that.
I am not right in the head doesn't mean I should be ignored and ridiculed, GRZ does have some issues and it isn't fair to discriminate against any group of people like that.
Especially just for posting things we may disagree with.
I understand people disagree and get annoyed with one another but we are all just branches of the same tree.
Also I haven't really been following this thread, what are we debating now?
Dude, please.
Gender irreverent.... Why bring it up?
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the fact women have far more to fear than men on something as simple as walking home.
Not for Caley Reece.
https://www.google.com.au/search?site=&source=hp&ei=dQwpWOOxLoy70ASnzYvADA&q=caley+reece&oq=caley+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.35i39k1j0i67k1j0j0i10i67k1j0.1875.3100.0.4368.8.7.1.1.1.0.435.2059.2-1j4j1.6.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.6.1394.3..0i131k1.zCSRhJ2OUag
Trained with her for years when I was younger, still 90% sure she'd kick my ass, except If I got a good double leg, her BJJ isn't as good as her Muay Thai.
Sorry that was a joke. ;D ;D
I'm gonna stay right out of this one actually.
Your right though. Its generally a Physically stronger person taking advantage of a physically weaker person. It sucks, Its bullying, Its cowardly, but only a gender thing because woman are usually physically smaller.
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So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.
Note that only one of us provided evidence.
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I kinda started skimming past his posts after I realized he ain't right in the head.
There's no need for that.
I am not right in the head doesn't mean I should be ignored and ridiculed, GRZ does have some issues and it isn't fair to discriminate against any group of people like that.
Especially just for posting things we may disagree with.
I understand people disagree and get annoyed with one another but we are all just branches of the same tree.
Also I haven't really been following this thread, what are we debating now?
Dude, please.
Gender irreverent.... Why bring it up?
Because we're not allowed to say it the other way ;) (I think you meant "irrelevant")
Also, despite the fact that I think Trump will be a terrible president, I am not a "liberal". I don't even want to get into my politically incorrect opinions because I've seen what happens to people who do. If you think you're going to somehow hurt my feelings by mentioning "SJWs" and whatever other wingnut labels you've got, you're out of luck.
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So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.
Note that only one of us provided evidence.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/
http://fortune.com/2016/04/12/myth-gender-wage-gap/
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So, ignoring proven stats for stock responses which are themselves refuted by the stats. Plus ignoring the point behind unfair judgements and claiming it's all fine, while complaining when a justified one is made with respect to your experience.
If you've heard the argument before, maybe it's because it has merit, rather than because people are conspiring against you.
Note that only one of us provided evidence.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/
Congrats, one person's view on one thing I brought up in my post, which completely ignores the fact that my stats did compare women with men in the same jobs, including the social-type jobs you mentioned, and so a link with the best attempt of a response being a lot of waffling, and then something about times they work that still shouldn't show near-universally less pay unless there's a reason women aren't allowed to work longer.
You do realise that just saying a statistic is debunked doesn't make it true?
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Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Once again, there are many countries where there is still oppression. Just like there once was here.
Glad you are feeling long winded today getreal, saving me some typing lol.
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Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Once again, there are many countries where there is still oppression. Just like there once was here.
Glad you are feeling long winded today getreal, saving me some typing lol.
Heh, I can only argue for what I believe. I cant bare unwarranted "Entitlement" and being a social outcast because "white male privalige"
Its 2am My warm bed is calling though.
The Wife's warmed it up by having an early one... and I got work at 6am so I wont stay much longer..... Another 12 hour day of graft ahead!
I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
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Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Someone getting repeatedly targeted in ways specific to their community and getting their 'feelings hurt' most times they interact with anyone, for legitimate and justified reasons, is.
But regardless, you're literally the only person talking about that.
Addendum to last post to getreal: only the first link worked before, but the second is still refuted by the stats I gave, and the third has no bearing on the argument I'm making. This is just silly. Instead of sticking to straw men, look at the arguments that are actually being made. Otherwise, I'm done.
The stats I gave came from an unbiased source, a great sample size, acceptable standard deviation, and compared all kinds of factors, including men and women in the same class of job, over a lot of different jobs. Seriously, just look at table 2, last column on the right. There are the facts for you. And your response seems to be to not even click the link.
Wow. So convincing.
I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
And maybe one day you'll look at the damage you're causing to people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed because you feel a little uncomfortable when you have to examine it.
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All the calls for violence against Trump and/or his voters are kind of interesting to read too. I've already seen two CEOs of companies backpeddling and apologizing once they realized they screwed up.
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Someone getting their feelings hurt is not oppression...
Someone getting repeatedly targeted in ways specific to their community and getting their 'feelings hurt' most times they interact with anyone, for legitimate and justified reasons, is.
But regardless, you're literally the only person talking about that.
Addendum to last post to getreal: only the first link worked before, but the second is still refuted by the stats I gave, and the third has no bearing on the argument I'm making. This is just silly. Instead of sticking to straw men, look at the arguments that are actually being made. Otherwise, I'm done.
The stats I gave came from an unbiased source, a great sample size, acceptable standard deviation, and compared all kinds of factors, including men and women in the same class of job, over a lot of different jobs. Seriously, just look at table 2, last column on the right. There are the facts for you. And your response seems to be to not even click the link.
Wow. So convincing.
I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
And maybe one day you'll look at the damage you're causing to people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed because you feel a little uncomfortable when you have to examine it.
I'm not uncomfortable to examine it. I am not sexist. I believe in equality. I have just seen over the last few years so many charts and tables manipulated to suit the agenda.
Hey if my wife's wages went up, that eases the pressure on me. GREAT
In real life, many woman I speak to, at least In my social circle do not believe in any unfairness. In fact think they have the advantage.
The company I work for has special Leave early and get paid the day privileges for woman who have children but not the men who have children.... I don't care two hoots. Am I oppressed? NO, Its a perk that means that they catch a break with child care. that means looked after children. Brilliant.
Most men in my social circle by choice do heavy manual, dirty, and risky work to earn a decent wage. Most of the women I know work retail, office and care. Not taking anything away from those jobs. but the men do seem to have it a lil rougher.... do we care... not really
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It has nothing to do with uncomfortable, it is fed up with the liberal hypocrisy and laziness.
It is ok to demonize and practice racism towards the white conservative male, yet everyone else gets babied and given things to for why??
Get demonized for success, rewarded for failure, and liberals are given any hair brained idea they ask for. We have been quiet for so long, just working and plugging away while giving away our fruits to others. But someone has to do it, and we have always been that someone to have to do it.
However, situations like trump or brexit finally woke up those whom have been quiet with their head down plugging away. Saw a chance to actually maybe get some order back, to win again as a nation. Liberals don't like it now that the evil conservatives have been awoken, they lost their free reign to make any nonsense law or movement they wanted without question.
The main ammo of racist, sexist and all the other phrases used has finally become non effective. So now we have the proverbial liberal temper tantrum right in front of us. Practicing "tolerance" as always lol...as long as we agree.
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Before the wage gap discussion get too heated I just want to leave this here:
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
The gist of it is that the gap is overstated but real and it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism.
Freakonomics is a great podcast. If you're interested in learning about the wage gap beyond what are basically sound bites on TV this is worth your time.
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Before the wage gap discussion get too heated I just want to leave this here:
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
The gist of it is that the gap is overstated but real and it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism.
Freakonomics is a great podcast. If you're interested in learning about the wage gap beyond what are basically sound bites on TV this is worth your time.
Id go as far to agree that the gap is small, if any, and that it can't be reasonably attributed to sexism. I bet there is some companies that play outside the rules in both directions. Regardless It's negligible in the west.
The biggest reason given in the article is attributed to time off for family/children and flexible hours. This is not a sexist thing its just an unfortunate part of parenthood.
When my wife took maternity leave (2 years +, she wanted to make the most of her babies).... my hours went up somewhat to make up income. The sense of responsibility and reliance upon me made me work hard for promotions. Meanwhile my wife's career was stagnant.
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Exactly.....^^^
American women "oppression"
(http://i64.tinypic.com/30tqo0j.jpg)
Real oppression...
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1zd6du.jpg)
This isn't hearsay....I have spent too much time in middle Eastern countries. In Iran, want to know what happens to a female not escorted?? Speaking without permission?? Incorrect attire?? How about Saudi Arabia?? ....I can keep listing countries if you would like.
Tell you what, I will give you a hint using the poor oppressed American in the first picture........more than likely buried neck deep in dirt then stoned...
Now quit making excuses...it is an embarrassment to people who are actually going through hell. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Is it offensive to over weight people to say the person in the first picture has had quite enough sandwiches?
Oh well too late, I'm honestly trying to stay out of this xD.
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"sudo make me a sandwich" would have been all it took...
*sigh* n00bs.
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
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"sudo make me a sandwich" would have been all it took...
*sigh* n00bs.
Nerd ;D ;D
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I don't think anything will reach liberals.....but not to fear, I have a solution. Liberals can have California, Washington, Oregon, Colorado and the new England states. Possibly another state or two, we will take the rest.
They can also have the white house, but we get the military. We will surely provide protection at a certain percentage of liberal gdp. Also policing if needed, I am sure within a few years citizens and police will be disarmed. Willing to work a nice sum for weapons confiscated. We will also split the national debt half and half when we split. Not fair, but taking one for the team.
People may move to their preference for a year or so after the change, after that, at least on our side you will require passports. We can trade freely as Canada and the us does (I really don't want to lose California's avocados, wine, and olive oil)...
We can also offer loans at low interest when the liberal side goes bankrupt....however, will require land as collateral, starting with Pennsylvania or Michigan.
The liberal side can have the media, we might keep fox, that is still up in the air. More than likely start some new networks.
Liberals can have most of the entertainment industry... especially the Kardashians and the Bruce Jenner robot. All that is free of charge, though most should already be in California or one of the new England states
Now the liberals will be free to do whatever you want without any resistance from us.....may God help y'all...
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
Ehh. Not a whole lot. I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
Get out of here with that talk, you racist commie
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
Ehh. Not a whole lot. I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok
Is it bad I knew what this was without the wiki link? A very good episode.
I remember when I saw that as I kid, I was broken hearted for at least a couple hours over the aliens death for such a noble cause.
Not quite sure Jane and I would fair very well. More than likely the enemy would kill us both, or we would kill each other first lol.
But hey....I am willing to try for reasons of peace
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
Ehh. Not a whole lot. I think the only option left is to "Darmok and Jalad" BHS and Jane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok
Is it bad I knew what this was without the wiki link? A very good episode.
I remember when I saw that as I kid, I was broken hearted for at least a couple hours over the aliens death for such a noble cause.
Not quite sure Jane and I would fair very well. More than likely the enemy would kill us both, or we would kill each other first lol.
But hey....I am willing to try for reasons of peace
I am so glad someone got that reference.
The healing can become. We just need Jane to agree and access to a zoo with at least a bobcat or larger.
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
This one?
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.
Some people will ever accept that their personal opinion is a snowflake in a blizzard.
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Give me an update . . .
Has anyone suggested compromise or getting along or working together or anything of even minor importance?
*Waves hand in air frantically*
ME ME ME!!! A couple pages ago, so lots of progress has been made since, I hope.
Do you think it chipped away at the ole ice block a little bit?
This one?
I'm confident that the reasonable majority of people can unify across party lines and say this kind of stupid display exists outside politics and does humanity a disservice.
Some people will ever accept that their personal opinion is a snowflake in a blizzard.
You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. We're all part of the same compost heap. We're all singing, all dancing crap of the world.
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A pile of snow gives men something to pee our signature into.
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This one?
No, this one
Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?
The attempted communication is only ineffective because it starts from a disingenuous place. And I'm not just talking about you, I mean political discussions in general. People pick a team, as if their team captain (read: Hillary, Trump, etc) actually gives a shit about them or their values beyond the tally mark they want on election day, and then demonize and dehumanize the other team as if everyone on the other team is part of one giant hive mind.
So what does result in progress? A little bit of understanding. For the liberal, ask yourself why the fuck are so many people fed up with the government that someone of a liberal persuasion is supposed to believe is out to help everyone, and maybe take a second to chew on that instead of dismissing it a garbage words streaming from a crazy person's mouth. For the conservatives, let's be honest that sometimes the right wing hasn't really been there for the working poor who provide the foundation for all of the white collar people that actually benefit from a lot of the policies put forth by the Republican party in the last 20 years or so. And those working poor aren't mostly lazy, drug-addicted welfare queens who deserve their fate.
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing on how to move forward. But arguing about how stupid everyone on the other team is, because the other team is being defined by its worst elements, is dragging us all into the shitter and turning people who would otherwise be friends into arch-enemies. It's fucked up. There's a lot of real, actual hatred out there, and over caricatured versions of reality instead of over actual people with actual beliefs, positions, and opinions. It isn't going to get better if no one makes an effort to walk away from the low-hanging fruit that those caricatures are.
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This one?
No, this one
Not productive, I agree. Nor is actual attempted communication, so I suppose the main question is, what is productive?
The attempted communication is only ineffective because it starts from a disingenuous place. And I'm not just talking about you, I mean political discussions in general. People pick a team, as if their team captain (read: Hillary, Trump, etc) actually gives a shit about them or their values beyond the tally mark they want on election day, and then demonize and dehumanize the other team as if everyone on the other team is part of one giant hive mind.
So what does result in progress? A little bit of understanding. For the liberal, ask yourself why the fuck are so many people fed up with the government that someone of a liberal persuasion is supposed to believe is out to help everyone, and maybe take a second to chew on that instead of dismissing it a garbage words streaming from a crazy person's mouth. For the conservatives, let's be honest that sometimes the right wing hasn't really been there for the working poor who provide the foundation for all of the white collar people that actually benefit from a lot of the policies put forth by the Republican party in the last 20 years or so. And those working poor aren't mostly lazy, drug-addicted welfare queens who deserve their fate.
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing on how to move forward. But arguing about how stupid everyone on the other team is, because the other team is being defined by its worst elements, is dragging us all into the shitter and turning people who would otherwise be friends into arch-enemies. It's fucked up. There's a lot of real, actual hatred out there, and over caricatured versions of reality instead of over actual people with actual beliefs, positions, and opinions. It isn't going to get better if no one makes an effort to walk away from the low-hanging fruit that those caricatures are.
Thank you for raising your hand and sending me off to find your post.
Naturally, I picked the wrong post. ::)
This one makes more sense.
There are some new players on offense and defense, but we're still on the same team.
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Quick final notes:
I didn't give any manipulated stats, I gave the raw data. No sneaky agenda-ing going on. Even if you want to blame it on external causes rather than sexism, you have to answer the question of why those separate causes seem to apply exclusively to women. So far maternity leave is the best you have, ignoring the fact the US system on maternity leave is pretty terrible, the fact it only applies to a handful of women, the fact men would take paternity leave too, all of which meaning the change should only be minimal, rather than substantial and pretty much universal.
BHS, if you're going to complain when others point out 'hurt feelings' then grow up about your victim complex about how conservative white guys are treated. People pointing out when you, unwittingly or otherwise, perpetuate discrimination and dodgy ideals is not oppression.
And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.
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You miss my point about explaining my "hurt" feelings. I only show those examples for explaining the hypocrisy of the average liberal agenda.
My feelings aren't actually hurt, I was taught to just keep going, wipe off all the nonsense. That is one reason I cannot stand "safe places" in college. It was already babysitting enough during my stay (if I didn't have all the hard times I did during school, I would NOT have been even CLOSE to ready for the real world) and that was a decade ago. Now is just ridiculous.... pathetic. How is someone suppose to make it in the real world? That is suppose to be the point of college..
That is my biggest fear, not the economy, money, military or anything. It is the mindset that is being passed at such a young age now. Deep seated complete self sense of entitlement, no accountability, complete and total narcissism. On top of all this..... COMPLETE and TOTAL wusses. If people like this haven't already failed they will unless extremely lucky.
I just want people to be strong within themselves, be people that do...not people that talk with no action. Actually look at what they can do for another instead of what can only be done for them. Expect nothing in return, yet willing to give. Actually hold themselves accountable, fix the issues whenever they arise. Simple fact, the mentality that is spreading like a cancer produces nothing but failures. Media, social media, and the entertainment industry just perpetuates this cancer like radiation.
If the mentality were corrected, all the other issues would be corrected without a debate. All the issues with the economy, government etc is just a bi product of this shit mentality, a mirror of one's self. This is what I pray has hope, but fear the slope may be too steep.
I know conservatives have their flaws and nut jobs, though it seems the social democrats in general embrace all these flaws and continue their growth. So I just see it as every aspect of failure looped into one group, not to mention a group that denies what history says about the mentality. So I would imagine that is why I have such a sharp tongue towards the subject.
I am also side stepping the hate that this mentality brings when allowing blind racism or sexism be an escape code for issues of success to just a general conversation.
Just imagine watching your child do drugs and there is nothing you can do to help them....I have no idea what to do to help this very serious issue. I wish I could not care, but I do.
Oh as for the star trek reference....no I would not try to be equal with the creature if I saw it meant harm. I would attempt to figure it out peacefully, however, if I saw it was attempting to kill me or anyone around me (including you), I would do everything in my power to end it's existence. I want peace and communication, however, if pushed and something is going to harm me or someone else, then it just lost its own rights.
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And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.
Well both of you got the Darmok reference. Based on that I'd say there's more cause for optimism than pessimism.
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And Darmoking isn't going to work, they at least had shared logic without shared language, we seem to have the opposite problem. I'd be talking to the monster encouraging it to overthrow the bourgeoisie instincts that make it want to kill us, BHS would insist it eat equally from both of us, it wouldn't work.
Well both of you got the Darmok reference. Based on that I'd say there's more cause for optimism than pessimism.
With Jane being over 10 years younger than I (and if I remember right, you are around my age I think) I was surprised she got it as well. I had figured she missed the next generation era.
I can agree this to me would be a cause of optimism.
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Darmok!!
Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.
Sorry I am up way too late, I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.
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Darmok!!
Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.
Sorry I am up way too late, I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.
An Australian beast? The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants.
I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek. TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.
We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there. The scifi genre hasn't kept up. The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
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That is my biggest fear, not the economy, money, military or anything. It is the mindset that is being passed at such a young age now. Deep seated complete self sense of entitlement, no accountability, complete and total narcissism. On top of all this..... COMPLETE and TOTAL wusses. If people like this haven't already failed they will unless extremely lucky.
I just want people to be strong within themselves, be people that do...not people that talk with no action. Actually look at what they can do for another instead of what can only be done for them. Expect nothing in return, yet willing to give. Actually hold themselves accountable, fix the issues whenever they arise. Simple fact, the mentality that is spreading like a cancer produces nothing but failures. Media, social media, and the entertainment industry just perpetuates this cancer like radiation.
Completely wrong. The current way of thinking is to go from "Something's wrong," to "How can we fix it?" Instead of being happy with a given lot, part of what's being taught is the attitude to not just roll over and accept, but to act.
You call out entitlement all the time, but it's only ever minor cases you target, and you don't seem to care about the terrific entitlement that the rich seem to have.
I am also side stepping the hate that this mentality brings when allowing blind racism or sexism be an escape code for issues of success to just a general conversation.
It's not an escape code. They're genuine issues, that need to be dealt with, and part of what this generation does is pay attention. Pervasive issues are going to be relevant to most conversations. That's the whole point.
With Jane being over 10 years younger than I (and if I remember right, you are around my age I think) I was surprised she got it as well. I had figured she missed the next generation era.
I can agree this to me would be a cause of optimism.
Don't have to see something when it was on, to see it. Seen all of classic Doctor Who from Jon Pertwee to McGann, for example, and most of what's available of the first two.
DS9's better than Next Generation though.
We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there. The scifi genre hasn't kept up. The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
Honourable mention to Person of Interest. There's just less overt sci-fi these days because, after so many iconic series, everything is cliche.
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Darmok!!
Can I supply the beast? I have a few experimental half kangaroo half drop bear half penguins I could donate.
Sorry I am up way too late, I am also wondering if I should admit I've never watched an episode of Star Trek, had to google that. maybe I should rent the series.
An Australian beast? The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants.
I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek. TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.
We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there. The scifi genre hasn't kept up. The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
Listen up, nerds. You need to watch The Expanse. As a BSG fan, you will love it, IMO.
Also, I ditched satellite after 15yrs of paying for SO MUCH CRAP, and I've discovered all the Star Treks are on every single day and night.
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I'm just hoping one day Jane and SC can step back and look at the damage they are causing for people with genuine reasons to feel oppressed, potentially being ignored because they cry wolf. People are sick of it.
So, what exactly do you think I've said in this thread that indicates I ignore genuine oppression in favor of those who cry wolf? Is it because I pointed out some racist shit going on? Or is it because I don't accept World Net Daily and James O'Keefe as legitimate sources?
Listen, most of what passes for activism on the left annoys the shit out of me. I do not think people are gonna die if they're referred to with the wrong pronoun. I do not think people should be protected from ideas and opinions they don't agree with. There's lots of other shit from the left I disagree with strongly... but this doesn't change my opinion that Trump wasn't the right choice for president. I hope he does okay, because this is still my country. I do not want any harm to come to him, because this is still my country, and like it or not, he is gonna be my president. I hope he chooses wise people to advise him, people who care about the country more than their own power. I hope he doesn't still believe he knows more about ISIS than the generals. I hope he finally understands why it's not a good idea to use nukes just because we have them. I hope he gives up the notion that he should change the laws so he can sue people for libel more easily (toughen up buttercup). I hope he treats this job with the gravitas it deserves.
I HAVE LOTS OF HOPE.
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An Australian beast? The point of the challenge isn't to straight up murder both of the participants.
I'm not sure what to say about watching Star Trek. TNG(the next generation) has by my reckoning, 1/3 very good episodes, 1/3 okay episodes and 1/3 episodes that are so bad there is no point in watching it.
We're in a golden age of TV right now with some really fantastic shows out there. The scifi genre hasn't kept up. The last great scifi series I've seen was Battlestar Galactica.
Yes, we need a beast we could actually defeat if we tried....Please keep that mutant bastard on whatever leash he is currently on.
As for star trek, I would say dodge any of them that have counselor troi's mother, Barkley and worfs son as a story line. That should protect you for the most part from the third that are crap. I would say Q, but you kind of start to warm up to him.
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
How are the rich entitled? If they find a legal way to become rich, they ARE entitled to their fruits. Saying they are not is as I have said with you... socialism/communism. Saying anyone is not entitled to their fruits not just the rich.
So you think letting black people blanket white people with the racist card like a vague "mystery" boogieman for all problems is ok? Expect free stuff just because of such? Even though all numbers and charts say it is a cultural issue within their race? They have many problems they need to fix themselves.
However, instead of showing them this, making them take accountability for their own failures, giving them things to fix. They are allowed to blanket white people as their entire element of failure because of "racism"...not only that but expect and get free stuff, all on a lie.
Or what about the exact same issue allowed for women...though not as prominent as the black community, certainly still a "thing"...but their word is sexism and a few other key words.
The liberal agenda allows the magic, blanket boogie man be an escape code for all form of accountability. Some how this is healthy?? I don't get one...I am damned from both sides, male and white lol.
Please explain to me how this doesn't cause more hate and barriers?? One side is being said "go ahead and hate them, blame them, here we will even give you free things" yet the other side is the side sick and tired of being blamed for everything when doing nothing. Sure seems like a toxic fire here!
Wow...look, star trek does bring people together. DS9 has always been my favorite star trek. It is a shame we would kill each other first before getting to small talk like that. Darmok!!
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Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
Have you not heard of confirmation bias? if you have a narrative you prefer, you're always going to be able to find individual cases, or twist other instances until they look like what you want, and it's just silly. We get it, you don't like lefties, leave the paranoia behind and focus on facts. The only real example of what you're talking about is on social media, but you can easily find the opposite too, that's just how social media works: people are vocal and over the top.
How are the rich entitled? If they find a legal way to become rich, they ARE entitled to their fruits. Saying they are not is as I have said with you... socialism/communism. Saying anyone is not entitled to their fruits not just the rich.
Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.
So you think letting black people blanket white people with the racist card like a vague "mystery" boogieman for all problems is ok? Expect free stuff just because of such? Even though all numbers and charts say it is a cultural issue within their race? They have many problems they need to fix themselves.
However, instead of showing them this, making them take accountability for their own failures, giving them things to fix. They are allowed to blanket white people as their entire element of failure because of "racism"...not only that but expect and get free stuff, all on a lie.
Or what about the exact same issue allowed for women...though not as prominent as the black community, certainly still a "thing"...but their word is sexism and a few other key words.
The liberal agenda allows the magic, blanket boogie man be an escape code for all form of accountability. Some how this is healthy?? I don't get one...I am damned from both sides, male and white lol.
Please explain to me how this doesn't cause more hate and barriers?? One side is being said "go ahead and hate them, blame them, here we will even give you free things" yet the other side is the side sick and tired of being blamed for everything when doing nothing. Sure seems like a toxic fire here!
I suggest you look at the raw stats rather than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.
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Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.
You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.
I suggest you look at the raw stats Than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.
You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.
Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)
Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....
Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting
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Ok, first, socialism and communism are not synonyms and for crying out loud can you please stop acting like they are?
And aside from the repeatedly debunked notion that wealth=effort or effort=wealth or however you want to put it, the entitlement comes when they have more money than they could ever feasibly spend and then balk at paying a bit more tax on their income, when said money could just be stolen out of their bank account and they wouldn't even notice. The entitlement comes when they go after status symbols and multiple skyscrapers rather than save up for a tiny bit longer and pay a little more tax to ultimately save lives.
You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.
I suggest you look at the raw stats Than numbers from a biased news source, and think about what they're saying, rather than fitting it into the narrative you want. Facts are facts. What isn't going to help is whining about "How dare you point out the entirely true fact that we have advantages over you!" Insisting people be held accountable for circumstances out of their control is beyond ridiculous. No one is blaming white people or men as a whole, just pointing out such people are naturally privileged in the society we live in, and often unwittingly perpetuate certain ideas. The issue arises when said white men or whatever would rather complain about "But I'm not like that!" than take steps to fix or even acknowledge the problems.
You're not fricking 'damned,' you get called out by a few people but otherwise get completely unaffected. Meanwhile, people are struggling to get jobs, be paid, constantly being stereotyped as dangerous or useless, and, oh yes, getting killed. And you're accusing the left of being wusses?
It's not causing barriers, it's acknowledging the ones that already exist.
You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.
Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)
Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....
Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting
I have no trouble watching you two. It's kind of entertaining really. But you do realize you're never going to convince each other, right? You could agree to disagree and save yourselves the effort having this big long "discussion." Anyway, like I said it is entertaining so it's fine with me if you carry on.
As you were. ;D
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I have no trouble watching you two. It's kind of entertaining really. But you do realize you're never going to convince each other, right? You could agree to disagree and save yourselves the effort having this big long "discussion." Anyway, like I said it is entertaining so it's fine with me if you carry on.
As you were. ;D
I know I know....you speak the truth..
I could have done such more productive things with my spare time over arguing here. I have a hard time just leaving it alone though. I care about people though, and when you see someone practicing a damaging mind set, I can't help but to fight for that person.
But yes...I am sure it is in vain...and an absolute waste of time. Though...maybe at least a few people are amused lol
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You really have no idea that you support socialism do you??? You spout it all the time yet deny it in the same paragraph you are supporting it.
What are you talking about? Yep, I'm a socialist, never denies that, but socialism is a tremendously huge umbrella term, and you're equating every little thing under it with communism for no logical reason.
You realize you present your own hypocrisy in this paragraph right? Validating other people's "issues" but rejecting validity of issues of someone like my own issues because it doesn't fit into your narrative or "cause"....again, I don't think you see it. Or maybe you do, who knows.
Plus...I have never seen a white person struggle with unemployment.... definitely because of race or gender... ::)
Just another fun proof of my point of the liberal perspective of passing accountability to all but ones self. Well unless you are white and a conservative lol....
Oh in your attempt to mirror on to me these issues. I have stated before i am just using these examples to show the hypocrisy. At the end of the day, I, and all others with my views don't care what is against us, just push against it and figure out a way to win. No excuses....
Straw man. I support the issues with actual evidence behind them: evidence which I have given. So far all your justification comes from anecdotes. At no point have I said white people don't struggle with employment, but that doesn't prevent it being easier for them to get a job. There's literally no logic to most of what you said there, it doesn't come close to addressing, well, anything. One cause does not equal only cause.
This whole mentality of accountability is great, when applicable, but it is not always applicable, and it's that simple. Denying issues doesn't prevent them from mattering. Indeed, this whole system of pretending there's no problem is what makes your goal a pipe dream. Not everyone has equal chances. Deciding "Oh, person who has it much worse than me, soldier on, I believe in you!" is in any way useful is just insulting. All that whole idea does is reinforce and encourage those who are already disadvantaged.
Jane......That statement is not completely wrong, and you know it, unless you are part of the problem and don't "see" it. I can literally list you close to half of my country as an example. Point out individual cases till I can point no more. When something is perpetuated by the parent, media, social media and entertainment industry...pretty hard to escape. As I said, a cancer being flooded with isotopes.
All you have to say to this is Nuh uh??? Interesting
Well given that all you said was a more verbose 'uh-huh!' what else am I meant to say?
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If you both want to end it you're going to have to decide who gets the last word. Would you like me to flip a coin for you? lol
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If you both want to end it you're going to have to decide who gets the last word. Would you like me to flip a coin for you? lol
Conversations like this usually die out naturally. There's been a lot less substance to the last few posts than some of the earlier ones.
More general point, anyway, as it feels like it's relevant:
When I say I'm a socialist, technically that's not accurate. One of the most important issues with politics is to recognise both what's accessible and doable. My ideal system (for a brief overview) removes government interference, focuses on people earning standing when they can, does have a benefit system reliant on charity from those better off, limits taxes solely to what people choose to give away, etc. The problem is that such a system would fall apart or be horrifically be abused if it was suddenly introduced. It needs people who are used to cooperation, and who recognise that not doing so sabotages everyone. Plus, it falls down in the face if the prejudice that objectively exists these days.
For it to work, people would need to learn to work together, those with more money than they could ever realistically spend would lose their entitlement and happily give away... And honestly, I'll admit I don't know how the system would work with respect to international relations. It'd only work if it was adopted globally, doing away with nation lines. Details of that would just lead to one long side-discussion, so let's stick to the above facts.
It's a grand, lofty ideal, and it'll likely never be reached, and certainly not be realised in my lifetime.
The most important lesson I think anyone can learn about politics is that there's rarely going to be a right answer. Social issues aren't maths problems. (Sort of amusing to me that you've accused me of optimism, when I'd describe a lot of my political views as anything but: they're based on the notion that we're not going to reach the ideal).
My political ideals are based on how we can best approach the ideal within the framework we have already, because it's not something that can be done away with overnight. If people can't be trusted to do the right thing, then the right thing should be enforced: that's what laws are. Certainly a balance needs to be struck with respect to freedom, but the point stands. The policies I stand by come under the umbrella of socialism, but if I had a chance to remake the world from a blank slate, it wouldn't be socialist, of any variety. Are there flaws? Yes, there are just less flaws than the alternative. A few rich people missing out on a skyscraper or getting annoyed because a less talented person is thriving is, to my mind, not as problematic as people dying because they can't get a job.
I might've mixed up what thread which discussion's going in, but I'm tired, so don't judge me.