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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2016, 05:03:01 AM »
Clearly it should be obvious why I won't be checking in here. 
Yeah. You claim that the magical number 1/pi is totally unknown. Making such ridiculus claims often results in those being destroyed, you know?

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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2016, 05:04:48 AM »
Did everyone know Mike is just a kid? Or am I the only one that just learned this?  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJo2bsOdDUf29XTpOQWU03A



I just learned it, only makes it more embarrassing if / when he beats you in debate.

All i cared about at that age was females and mary jane lol good on you  mikeman.
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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2016, 05:26:04 AM »
So those above me have already done a stellar job of debunking your claims, but their is nothing better than kicking an intellectual idiot or troll (whichever you may be) while he's down.  without further ado.

Sorry if you don't like my videos. I stick to the same format that I have from the start which is making videos with things I think are interesting and things I think are funny.

Your videos are not the problem technically. You are the problem.

It is people like you who prey on the paranoia and lack of understanding of those who would usually follow a religion or need a belief system.
You take advantage of that and Your ramblings mislead people into believing in a FE and other crap that you decide to preach.  You are a sick individual. A charlatan, a troll nothing more.  and whats worse is people like you are making the world a dumber place, one video at a time.

The below link is about belief in god, but it realy makes no difference. read it and think of your preachings and the people you indoctronate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html

What is your addenda Jism?

Thanks for telling them to do their own videos jroa, people seem to forget that they can do that.

Oh I could do many videos debunking all this crap, believe me.
Trouble is Jizm, I work hard for a living and doing so earns me good money, and enables me to enjoy life. I find a bit of time for this forum, but the time involved in making videos to debunk you would lessen the time I have for doing other fun stuff. On top of that I live in a better than first world part of Rural England that has worse than third world broadband. Uploading videos here is just a ball ache.


So, for those who say that their children can debunk the questions I asked... why not put them down here to enlighten us all?  I realize you want to believe you were taught the truth... but the real truth is unfortunately the opposite of that.  So, tell me this...

I just asked my 14 year old.... What is  the significance of 0.318
she said; Oh that is what you multiply something by instead of dividing by π.

I asked my 10 year old the same question, What is  the significance of 0.318.
after a brief paws, she said; Isn't that π, or something.

It seams like they both already understand geometry above you level jizm.

Since FLAT EARTH is so dumb. Since it is so stupid and moronic, can you tell me why there are no less than 5 or 6 pretty populated forums about the topic with no real conclusion being reached? Do you think there is a reason for being taught something is stupid and then finding out that maybe it isn't quite as stupid as you were taught. Not quite as easy as we all assumed.  Where is another forum please with two sides arguing a point and one of those points was taught as retarded and ancient and another taught as truth and fact.

There are indeed populated forums about the topic, the real conclusion being reached of course centuries ago; The earth is a globe.

Most of the users on this forum ether argue for a globe, or are trolling. The few that truly believe the earth is flat are those described above; the people how need a belief system installed, paranoid, or are just so misinformed by people such as you jizm.

For anyone of sound mind and good education can look at the facts for themselves and realise that all observations indeed make sense. Whats more is we also possess the skills necessary to be able to try and falsify the claims. Some scientific theories are incomplete, but what we have does a good enough job in describing the world in which we live. 

People like you jizm are ether incredibly dumb, or you are trying to deceive people. 

And as I stated in the video... if you think flat earth is dumb... if you think I am a moron... I promise you that


YOU ARE NOT WEALTHY
YOU ARE NOT IN GOVERNMENT
YOU DO NOT GO TO SPACE
YOU DO NOT LIVE IN A MANSION        wake up there is a reason for that

Who are you to judge my wealth? Who are you comparing me to?
If my wealth were judged by say.... someone living in a shanty in Kenya I would no doubt be seen as hyper wealthy, If that judgement were made by the crown prince of Dubai, not so much.

*Am I wealthy? meh, I have enough income to sustain my family comfortably. I will have a legacy to leave my children. I have enough disposable income for a couple of holidays a year and generally enjoy my life.

*I could be in government If wanted to, but I don't. I have 2 friends in government positions. No big deal.

* I am to unfit for space travel. Unfortunately I am under qualified too.

You see jizm, I chose a career in Electrical and mechanical engineering and I educated myself as far as Bachelor of science level. most people heading to space have at least a masters in something, probably a doctoral degree and specialise in something useful to the mission.

* Again, If a shanty town Kenyan was to be the judge, he would call my home a mansion. However to me its just a nice sized rural family home, 4 bedroom 2 bathroom. with just about 3 acres of land and a couple of sheds.


So, please explain my 3 point...
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1. Polaris has never moved. Please show evidence that it does.  Evidence is not a link to wikipedia.

The North Star, Polaris does move a little but it is 434ish light years away. If you took its picture, you’d find that it makes its own little circle around the exact point of the north celestial pole every day. That’s because the North Star is really offset a little from the earths axis of rotation by about three-quarters of a degree  from true celestial north. Polaris does not rise and set. Its elevation in the night sky is Exactly the same as your degree of latitude on the earth.

A motion of Earth called precession causes our axis to trace out a circle on the celestial sphere every 26,000 years. Roughly 5 Thousands years ago, the North Star was a star called Thuban in the constellation Draco the Dragon. Twelve thousand years from now, the blue-white star Vega in the constellation Lyra will be the north star.

The stars we see in our night sky are all members of our Milky Way galaxy. All of these stars are moving through space, but they’re so far away we can’t easily see them move relative to each other. That’s why the stars appear fixed relative to each other. And it’s why, for the most part, we see the same constellations as our ancestors. So when you’re talking about stars “moving” or staying “fixed,” remember … they are all moving through the vastness of space. It’s just the relatively short time of a human lifespan that prevents us from seeing this grand motion.

Earths orbit of our own sun is 0.000003 times less distance than the distance to Polaris.



Here's an idiots guide for you Jizm
http://www.idiotsguides.com/education/space/why-doesnt-north-star-move-in-night-sky/

Here's is something more avanced'
http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/lec-celestial-sph.html

What are your views on the southern cross jizm, How does that appear south to everyone at the same time on a FE?
Why do the stars South of the Equator revolve clockwise around that point?



2. Please explain why the Globe in no way accounts for the North/South difference in temperatures, animals, and plants. How are the top 14 temperatures of all time in the North when the South has the sun 3,000,000 miles closer and an ozone hole.

Are you qualified in Climatology Jizm?
Aren't temperatures normally warmer over land jizm?  I have read several papers that prove that temperatures over land mass are warmer due to greenhouse trapping and a tendency for land to heat faster than water.
What does the  northern hem have far more of than the south I wonder?

what about the fact that warm  ocean currants in the southern hemisphere tend to migrate into the north hemisphere? 
What about the jet stream? 
Have you done an ounce of research? maybe you should start by studying the works of  Sarah M. Kang.

3. Why does no one know about the number 0.318?  Why are we not taught that if you know the circumference of a circle that multiplying it by 0.318 will give you the radius and then from that you can double it to get the diameter?  Why is there no mathematical formula for curvature of a circle?

::) As demonstrated above, my school age daughters know of 0.318.
as for your math skills. They are horrid my man, I suggest brushing up.

Kami has it down perfect
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Start with equation of the circumference of a circle: C=πd
Multiply both sides by 1/π: d = C/π
Which is the same as: d = C * 1/π
1/π is approximately 0.318

Just wake up and stop delaying the eventual realization that those in charge of this world have trapped us all here.  Or keep dreaming of space and Elon Musk stroking your hair.

Bla bla bla bla bla. You just talk a load of shit. Your followers are ether dumb naive indoctrinates of yours fooled by your ignorance. or are just trolls.

I shouldn't care, but I do.  I especially feel sorry for your Kids Jizm. They have no hope.

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2016, 05:33:03 AM »
@getrealzommb thanks for the flowers  :)
That wasn't me, though ;)

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2016, 05:39:14 AM »
@getrealzommb thanks for the flowers  :)
That wasn't me, though ;)

Ah well, Enjoy em anyway.  ;D

whoever it was did the correct math i linked to, well done and thank you. thank you for not doing a Jizm stain  claiming you have made a major mathematical breakthrough by dividing the circumference of a circle by pi -  :o ::)  ;)
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2016, 06:21:35 AM »
Mikeman is supposed to be the one debating, dum-dums.  He is supposed to do it in video format.  You idiots messed that up for him.  Are all of you seriously autistic, or are you just too eager to earn your shill paychecks?   >:(

Did everyone know Mike is just a kid? Or am I the only one that just learned this?  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJo2bsOdDUf29XTpOQWU03A

Yeah, he has been 17 for the last 3 years.  ;D

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2016, 06:46:39 AM »
Just so you know Jroa, it's embarrassing when you guys misuse it. Do some research before you post please.

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2016, 07:09:11 AM »
Just so you know Jroa, it's embarrassing when you guys misuse it. Do some research before you post please.

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2016, 07:57:53 AM »
Just so you know Jroa, it's embarrassing when you guys misuse it. Do some research before you post please.

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Confirmed for autism.

I've never been ashamed to admit it. I have a mild form of Asperger's syndrome, It is categorized as high functioning autism it has its advantages and disadvantages.

1. The condition favors exercising the mind. We do everything cognitively. If we didn't we'd be mistaken for traditional autistic people.

2. Our tendency to fixate and obsess means we spend a lot of time LEARNING about what fascinates us. This stimulates intellectual development. We usually have high IQ. Mine, measured by MENSA on 3 occasions is high 130's to low 140's

3. We socialize differently. We tend to seek others with similar interests and have a small number of very meaningful relationships. I dislike crowded rooms if I have to mingle among people. However I am happy to be on a stage and perform to the crowded room. Written and verbal communication can be tricky for some.

4. We detest untruths and are actually very good at identifying a liar. This is especially true if the subject in witch we are lied to about is a subject of interest to us.   

5. We are hard to indoctrinate. The official explanation is that Asperger's brains aren't easily *programmed*, and people on the spectrum or with ADHD are more independent thinkers and very independent learners.

You might want to look it up Jroa. Its  fascinating stuff.

But you wont want to because an auti/aspi is the polar opposite of the shit for brains you love as FE members here.

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2016, 08:03:57 AM »
Another one confirmed. 

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2016, 08:09:01 AM »
Another one confirmed.
You say that like its a negative. I disagree.

When something captures my interest I tend to spend lots of time researching every aspect of it. I over-analyze, think about the details, and just generally spend hours and hours thinking whatever the interest is through. Even if it is something that I am only interested in for a week my intensity on the subject is probably considered unusual. I really need to learn everything about the subject when I am interested in it.

Physics is one of these Interests for me, another is guitar, another is woodwork and metal fabrication. 

So if someone hits upon a subject that I have studied before then I will have lots to say just because I've put lots of time into it. I don't know how that translates to general intelligence though... Try talking to me about poetry or sports or something and I'll look like a fool.

Not much of a negative is there?

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2016, 08:24:32 AM »
Yeah, yeah... We've already confirmed you.  You can let the next roundy have a turn now. 

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2016, 08:27:44 AM »
Yeah, yeah... We've already confirmed you.  You can let the next roundy have a turn now.

No because in my world, I like to talk about ME and MY interests  >:(

but yes i will, just to keep the peace.  :-X

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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2016, 08:32:13 AM »
Thanks!   :-*

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2016, 05:49:51 PM »
Another one confirmed.
Why is everybody on the net so freakin smart?
God is real.                                         
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2016, 08:01:16 PM »
Another one confirmed.
Why is everybody on the net so freakin smart?

I think this website attracts intellectuals in a strange way.

jroa you're disgusting, absolutely make me sick.

Appreciate your honesty Zomb takes courage to do that, expecially on a website like this. I personally respect you more for it.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2016, 11:28:26 AM »
Another one confirmed.
Why is everybody on the net so freakin smart?

I think this website attracts intellectuals in a strange way.

jroa you're disgusting, absolutely make me sick.

Appreciate your honesty Zomb takes courage to do that, expecially on a website like this. I personally respect you more for it.

Meh...I'm not bothered! In my opinion Asperger's has as many ups as downs. In my case its not a disability. its more of an extra ability if anything. 

jroa's right about something though, there are a few o us here. Most are still in the closet but have PM's me telling me as such. Obviously i'm not naming manes.

The very nature of this forum is likely to attract people like me, Its an aspi trap. Especially for "aspis" with a "special interest" in physics or maths.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2016, 12:17:09 PM »
While waiting for Mikeman.  lets  have a laugh at Jizm.


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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2016, 04:53:17 PM »
3. Why does no one know about the number 0.318?  Why are we not taught that if you know the circumference of a circle that multiplying it by 0.318 will give you the radius and then from that you can double it to get the diameter?  Why is there no mathematical formula for curvature of a circle?

I don't really have the time to spend here any more, dissertation's eating into most of my free time, but then I saw this. And wow.

Everyone is taught at school that the circumference of a circle is 2 pi r. Getting the radius from the circumference is trivial algebraic manipulation of the sort everyone's also taught: and I do certainly recall being asked to do so. The only reason it's not done explicitly is because we usually need to work out an area. Perimeter's easier to measure, in practise.
The area of a circle's easily proven from the definition of pi (the ratio of the diameter to the circumference) and the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Integrate the curve 2 pi r to find the area within it as pi r2.

As for curvature of a circle, it depends what you mean.
Plainly there is a formula to detect, for example, the curvature of the Earth's surface. That's just adapted from Pythagoras, if memory serves. If you want I can find a diagram and proof for you. This simply gives a measure of how much the surface will 'drop' from a given point, however.
If you mean a more rigorously defined form of curvature, then it is known, but not taught at any basic level because even the definition of curvature can't feasibly be taught at that level. The lay definition might be 'deviation from a straight line,' but that's not exactly easy to give mathematically. I believe it's related to how the tangent line (for a 2-D shape) would vary, which requires calculus and vector knowledge to puzzle out.
A circle's curvature is just one over the radius: which makes sense. The larger the radius, the less curved the surface will appear. There's your formula.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2016, 05:02:07 PM »
What a cavalcade of freaks this thread is...
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2016, 05:55:02 AM »
3. Why does no one know about the number 0.318?  Why are we not taught that if you know the circumference of a circle that multiplying it by 0.318 will give you the radius and then from that you can double it to get the diameter?  Why is there no mathematical formula for curvature of a circle?

I don't really have the time to spend here any more, dissertation's eating into most of my free time, but then I saw this. And wow.

Everyone is taught at school that the circumference of a circle is 2 pi r. Getting the radius from the circumference is trivial algebraic manipulation of the sort everyone's also taught: and I do certainly recall being asked to do so. The only reason it's not done explicitly is because we usually need to work out an area. Perimeter's easier to measure, in practise.
The area of a circle's easily proven from the definition of pi (the ratio of the diameter to the circumference) and the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Integrate the curve 2 pi r to find the area within it as pi r2.

As for curvature of a circle, it depends what you mean.
Plainly there is a formula to detect, for example, the curvature of the Earth's surface. That's just adapted from Pythagoras, if memory serves. If you want I can find a diagram and proof for you. This simply gives a measure of how much the surface will 'drop' from a given point, however.
If you mean a more rigorously defined form of curvature, then it is known, but not taught at any basic level because even the definition of curvature can't feasibly be taught at that level. The lay definition might be 'deviation from a straight line,' but that's not exactly easy to give mathematically. I believe it's related to how the tangent line (for a 2-D shape) would vary, which requires calculus and vector knowledge to puzzle out.
A circle's curvature is just one over the radius: which makes sense. The larger the radius, the less curved the surface will appear. There's your formula.
"Easy"! The "formal" definition of the "curvature of a smooth curve is defined as the curvature of its osculating circle at each point" and "a circle has a curvature equal to the reciprocal of its radius everywhere".
From Wikipedia Curvature.

And of course everyone knows that the "osculating circle" is the "kissing circle", but my wife says that I must keep well away from any "kissing circles", so maybe Jeranism does not want this definition of "curvature"!

But if he cannot work it out himself simply is too ignorant to be making video "debunking the Globe"! Which he proves quite ably himself with:
So, please explain my 3 point...

1. Polaris has never moved. Please show evidence that it does.  Evidence is not a link to wikipedia.

2. Please explain why the Globe in no way accounts for the North/South difference in temperatures, animals, and plants. How are the top 14 temperatures of all time in the North when the South has the sun 3,000,000 miles closer and an ozone hole.

3. Why does no one know about the number 0.318?  Why are we not taught that if you know the circumference of a circle that multiplying it by 0.318 will give you the radius and then from that you can double it to get the diameter?  Why is there no mathematical formula for curvature of a circle?
NO-ONE knows "about the number 0.318"  ::) Duh!  ::)

  ;D He still has that sort of understanding of the globe and HE is trying to debunk it!  ;D
Why aren't I answering "jeranism" directly? Because I have important things to do like get some sleep!
Maybe when i have nothing else to do and can't sleep!

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2016, 07:13:38 AM »
I don't really have the time to spend here any more, dissertation's eating into most of my free time
That is sad. I have missed your posts.

About the curvature stuff: Someone (I think gauss) figured out that the curvature of a 2-dimensional object can be calculated by
1) looking at the sum of the angles in a trangle with certain surface area
2) looking at the relation of radius and circumfence of a circle on this object
Could figure out the exact formula, but you are right, this is a little more advanced than elementary school..

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2016, 09:25:39 AM »
I don't really have the time to spend here any more, dissertation's eating into most of my free time
That is sad. I have missed your posts.

About the curvature stuff: Someone (I think gauss) figured out that the curvature of a 2-dimensional object can be calculated by
1) looking at the sum of the angles in a trangle with certain surface area
2) looking at the relation of radius and circumfence of a circle on this object
Could figure out the exact formula, but you are right, this is a little more advanced than elementary school..

I did a module on curvature a couple of years ago, if memory serves Gaussian curvature was the product of the principal curvatures, which are in turn eigenvalues of a certain operator: which is still a fair bit more advanced than would typically covered at Jeranism's desired level.
I've gotten the hang of them now, but I remember when I first started studying eigenvalues (a year or so before uni) they were agreed upon as one of the worst topics by the whole class. And admittedly I'm going by the british curriculum, but it was a class after the point mathematics became optional, and I think was only on the further maths module, which was even more advanced, and that class thought they were one of the trickier topics.
So, yeah, curvature's well understood and explained, but not really feasible to teach in the same class as how we find the area of a circle.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2016, 09:48:02 AM »
The reason i keep out of curvature calculations is: they are tricky and I wouldn't be confident I had done them correctly. Jism on the other hand is ether flat out ignorant that he dosn't know how to do it or is a pure liar.

I mean.... how does he not know the number 0.318 and what it is relative to? and how can he then precede to make a video on the curvature like what he says is fact......
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2016, 11:37:32 AM »
I mean hoe does he knot know the number 0.318 and what it is relative to? and how can he then precede to make a video on the curvature like what he says is fact......
Let's face it: he's not the sharpest knife in the draw.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2016, 01:03:36 PM »
I don't really have the time to spend here any more, dissertation's eating into most of my free time
That is sad. I have missed your posts.

About the curvature stuff: Someone (I think gauss) figured out that the curvature of a 2-dimensional object can be calculated by
1) looking at the sum of the angles in a trangle with certain surface area
2) looking at the relation of radius and circumfence of a circle on this object
Could figure out the exact formula, but you are right, this is a little more advanced than elementary school..

I did a module on curvature a couple of years ago, if memory serves Gaussian curvature was the product of the principal curvatures, which are in turn eigenvalues of a certain operator: which is still a fair bit more advanced than would typically covered at Jeranism's desired level.
You are correct here. Although, in spaces with constant curvature there are some easier methods to calculate it (might read about it again soon, then I could give more detailed examples).
But the concept of curvature (and the proofs that those easier methods are indeed valid) are quite tricky.

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Slemon

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2016, 02:00:34 PM »
You are correct here. Although, in spaces with constant curvature there are some easier methods to calculate it (might read about it again soon, then I could give more detailed examples).
But the concept of curvature (and the proofs that those easier methods are indeed valid) are quite tricky.

Probably are easier ways to calculate it, there always are, but it'd often be pointless to learn without knowing some of the context, which in turn means they'll likely need to be taught eigenvalues and matrices and vectors and calculus, which was A-level material.
At lower levels proofs were often omitted anyway (like the derivation of the quadratic formula), but generally the concept of curvature is meaningless without a lot of the background being explained. For example, I mentioned that the curvature of a circle is one over the radius: but what does that even mean? That's just a number. It's a completely pointless bit of knowledge without some study of curvature in general. Could be understood at an elementary level, but it's about as meaningful as seeing Euler's identity without knowing what e or i are. Sure, it's a fact, but what would it mean? You can expect students to memorise any number of bits and pieces, but it's pointless without some understanding of context.
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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2016, 02:14:05 PM »
You are correct here. Although, in spaces with constant curvature there are some easier methods to calculate it (might read about it again soon, then I could give more detailed examples).
But the concept of curvature (and the proofs that those easier methods are indeed valid) are quite tricky.

Probably are easier ways to calculate it, there always are, but it'd often be pointless to learn without knowing some of the context, which in turn means they'll likely need to be taught eigenvalues and matrices and vectors and calculus, which was A-level material.
At lower levels proofs were often omitted anyway (like the derivation of the quadratic formula), but generally the concept of curvature is meaningless without a lot of the background being explained. For example, I mentioned that the curvature of a circle is one over the radius: but what does that even mean? That's just a number. It's a completely pointless bit of knowledge without some study of curvature in general. Could be understood at an elementary level, but it's about as meaningful as seeing Euler's identity without knowing what e or i are. Sure, it's a fact, but what would it mean? You can expect students to memorise any number of bits and pieces, but it's pointless without some understanding of context.
You would make a great tutor. At least a better one than those I have had (most favored memorizing formula over understanding concepts..).
And you are right - differential geometry is a pain in the a***.

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rabinoz

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2016, 08:14:14 PM »
The reason i keep out of curvature calculations is: they are tricky and I wouldn't be confident I had done them correctly. Jism on the other hand is ether flat out ignorant that he dosn't know how to do it or is a pure liar.

I mean.... how does he not know the number 0.318 and what it is relative to? and how can he then precede to make a video on the curvature like what he says is fact......
One of the biggest problems claiming "proof" of anything using "curvature" is that refraction is very real!
There are numerous references to the various aspects of it from the "Rohan Institute" as in:
Basic Principles for understanding atmospheric refraction phenomena
Ducts
An Introduction to Mirages

Only a fraction of a degree refraction can make a big difference either way.


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jeranism

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Re: Video war: Jeranism vs mikeman7918
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2017, 03:27:41 AM »
To all of you criticizing jeranism's video:  feel free to make your own.


I'm already working on it, as that is the point of the debate.


Just came by to say hello to everyone and point out that MikeMan7918 had a whopping 5431 posts on this forum and challenged me to a video debate. I posted my video and Mr. Man disappeared and has never returned. Therefore, by the power vested in me by the OFEVGEVDAA (Official Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth Video Debate Association of America) I hereby proclaim myself victor and the earth as flat. Thank you all for your well wishes and kind words. Your hate tells me that deep down inside you really love me. And to anyone on this forum that has a number higher than 500 under their name and considers themselves a Globe Earther you really should look at your life and ask yourself why in the world you would spend your time on a forum for flat-tards as you call them. Is that the best you can do? Debate those you think are the scum of the world? You chose the forum full of what you consider ignorant flat earth fools to flex your intellectual muscles? I am really impressed. Where can I find the next NY Yankees vs. Inner Chicago Little League?


Seems to me you guys secretly doubt your own beliefs and this place makes you feel all warm and cozy. This way you can sleep well at night with your Elon Musk "We will go to Mars together" doll and your dreams of infinite space.  Have fun boys. You can talk orbital mechanics and all the other fantasies you buy into.
 
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