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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2016, 08:51:59 PM »
You haven't been paying attention.

The solar eclipse and the lunar eclipse are caused by TWO different heavenly bodies.

One of them, the Black Sun, absorbs visible light.

The other one, the Shadow Moon, emits dextrorotatory gravitons/subquarks, a shadowing effect while it passes in front of the visible Moon.

It could be that this shadowing effect only comes into play due to the radiation emitted by the Moon.

What we know for sure is that the Allais effect proves that the Moon does not cause the solar eclipse.

As for the lunar eclipse, you have some explaining to do.

For starters, let us examine the two anomalies observed during the lunar eclipses.

During a lunar eclipse, it has been observed that the Earth's shadow (official science theory) is 2% larger than what is expected from geometrical considerations and it is believed that the Earth's atmosphere is responsible for the extent of the enlargement, but it is realized that the atmospheric absorption cannot explain light absorption at a height as high as 90 km above the Earth, as required by this hypothesis (as several authors have noted).

"It was also argued that the irradiation of the Moon in the Earth's shadow during the eclipse is caused by the refraction of sunlight in the upper regions of the Earth's atmosphere. However, the shade toward the center is too bright to be accounted for by refraction of visible sunlight.

That is, the pronounced red colour in the inner portions of the umbra during an eclipse of the Moon is caused by refraction of sunlight through the upper regions of the Earth's atmosphere, but the umbral shadow towards the centre is too bright to be accounted for by refraction of visible sunlight."


The reason for the perfect alignment is that the Shadow Moon has exactly the same diameter as that of the Moon itself.
We know for sure... The moon does not cause a solar eclipse.  I'm no scientist at all, but a very quick search on Allais effect found that the concensus seems to be, when it is observed at all,  is caused by atmospheric effects from the eclipse.  Nothing about unknown bodies and certainly nothing about a black sun.  So, no it doesn't prove anything.

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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2016, 08:58:21 PM »
Why would the average person care about the shape of the Earth?
That is what's in question here, thats why.

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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2016, 09:06:54 PM »
Why would the average person care about the shape of the Earth?
That is what's in question here, thats why.
Exactly.
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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2016, 11:10:12 PM »
You haven't done your homework on Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev.

For those who don't know, Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev was the greatest astrophysicist of the 20th century.

Spinning Gyroscope Experiment

In order to verify his theory, N.A.Kozyrev conducted a series of experiments with spinning gyroscopes. The goal of these experiments was to make a measurement of the forces arising while the gyroscope was spinning.

N.A.Kozyrev detected that the weight of the spinning gyroscope changes slightly depending on the angular velocity and the direction of rotation. The effect he discovered was not large, but the nature of the arising forces could not be explained by existing theories.

Kozyrev torsion fields: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/tors1a.html

In the 1970s, in order to verify N.A.Kozyrev's theory, a major research of gyroscopes and gyroscopic systems was conducted by a member of Belarus Academy of Sciences, professor A.I.Veinik. The effect discovered earlier by N.A.Kozyrev was completely confirmed.


Dr. Kozyrev (see The Pendulum of the Universe article in the Sputnik magazine) made sure that his experiments were screened from any factors usually taken into account in such experiments: air currents, mechanical actions/causes, electrical fields, e/m fields.

Dr Kozyrev's experiments began in the 1950s and were conducted since the 1970s with the ongoing assistance of Dr V. V. Nasonov, who helped to standardise the laboratory methods and the statistical analysis of the results. Detectors using rotation and vibration were specially designed and made that would react in the presence of torsion fields.

It is important to remember that these experiments were conducted under the strictest conditions, repeated in hundreds or in many cases thousands of trials and were written about in extensive mathematical detail. They have been rigorously peer-reviewed, and Lavrentyev and others have replicated the results independently.


Here are the celebrated experiments carried out by Dr. Yuri Galaev, proving that it is the ether which is rotating above the surface of the Earth, exactly the effect discovered by Kozyrev (attributed at that time to the rotation of the Earth):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1722791#msg1722791


Your giddy enthusiasm is not warranted at all, given the fact that you cannot spell Arnett.

Then, you are out of luck, since he has not proven anything relating to the faint young sun paradox.

Go ahead, and provide the paper you mentioned, and cite any "proofs" brought forth by Arnett, they can be debunked in less than 30 seconds.

You have totally failed to address any of the points I raised.




As for Neil Ashby, here are two papers detailing the terrible errors committed by Ashby:


http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Clock_Behavior_and_theSearch_for_an_Underlying_Mechanism_for_Relativistic_Phenomena_2002.pdf


http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Relativity_and_GPS-II_1995.pdf


The supposed orbital speed of the Earth around the Sun is some 30 km/s.

TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS: the GPS satellites must incorporate both the rotational Sagnac effect AND the orbital Sagnac effect.

The second effect, the orbital Sagnac effect IS NOT recorded.


In GPS the actual magnitude of the Sagnac correction
due to earth’s rotation depends on the positions of
satellites and receiver and a typical value is 30 m, as the
propagation time is about 0.1s and the linear speed due
to earth’s rotation is about 464 m/s at the equator. The
GPS provides an accuracy of about 10 m or better in positioning.
Thus the precision of GPS will be degraded significantly,
if the Sagnac correction due to earth’s rotation
is not taken into account. On the other hand, the orbital
motion of the earth around the sun has a linear speed of
about 30 km/s which is about 100 times that of earth’s
rotation.
Thus the present high-precision GPS would be
entirely impossible if the omitted correction due to orbital
motion is really necessary.


In an intercontinental microwave link between Japan and
the USA via a geostationary satellite as relay, the influence
of earth’s rotation is also demonstrated in a high-precision
time comparison between the atomic clocks at two remote
ground stations.
In this transpacific-link experiment, a synchronization
error of as large as about 0.3 µs was observed unexpectedly.


Meanwhile, as in GPS, no effects of earth’s orbital motion
are reported in these links, although they would be
easier to observe if they are in existence. Thereby, it is evident
that the wave propagation in GPS or the intercontinental
microwave link depends on the earth’s rotation, but
is entirely independent of earth’s orbital motion around
the sun or whatever. As a consequence, the propagation
mechanism in GPS or intercontinental link can be viewed
as classical in conjunction with an ECI frame, rather than
the ECEF or any other frame, being selected as the unique
propagation frame. In other words, the wave in GPS or the
intercontinental microwave link can be viewed as propagating
via a classical medium stationary in a geocentric
inertial frame.


http://qem.ee.nthu.edu.tw/f1a.pdf



I'm no scientist at all, but a very quick search on Allais effect found that the concensus seems to be, when it is observed at all,  is caused by atmospheric effects from the eclipse. 

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


Thus, neither the regular cyclical variation of the pendulum, nor the
anomalous behavior at the time of solar eclipse can be explained by the
presently understood theory of gravitation. Something else is at work.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity.
Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.

Dr. Maurice Allais:

With regard to the validity of my experiments, it seems
best to reproduce here the testimony of General Paul Bergeron,
ex-president of the Committee for Scientific Activities for
National Defense, in his letter of May 1959 to Werner von
Braun:

"Before writing to you, I considered it necessary to
visit the two laboratories of Professor Allais (one 60
meters underground), in the company of eminent
specialists – including two professors at the Ecole
Polytechnique. During several hours of discussion, we
could find no source of significant error, nor did any
attempt at explanation survive analysis.

"I should also tell you that during the last two years,
more than ten members of the Academy of Sciences and
more than thirty eminent personalities, specialists in
various aspects of gravitation, have visited both his
laboratory at Saint-Germain, and his underground
laboratory at Bougival.

"Deep discussions took place, not only on these
occasions, but many times in various scientific contexts,
notably at the Academy of Sciences and the National
Center for Scientific Research. None of these discussions
could evolve any explanation within the framework of
currently accepted theories."

This letter confirms clearly the fact that was finally
admitted at the time - the total impossibility of explaining the
perceived anomalies within the framework of currently
accepted theory.

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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2016, 11:23:14 PM »
Modern geology cannot explain even the official chronology of history of the last 5,000 years.


THE EXTENDED ARCTANGENT SERIES AND THE GIZEH PYRAMID




The angle of slope of the Pyramid’s outer casing is 51.85 degrees (for example, see http://davidpratt.info/pyramid.htm ).

However, in order to reach/know this value, the architects of the Gizeh Pyramid must have had at their disposal the extended arctangent series:



The sacred cubit is designated in the form of a horseshoe projection, known as the "Boss" on the face of the Granite Leaf in the Ante-Chamber of the Pyramid. By application of this unit of measurement it was discovered to be subdivided into 25 equal parts known now as: Pyramid inches.

ONE SACRED CUBIT = 0.6356621 meters


tan 51.8554 degrees = 2 sacred cubits

sin 72.7 degrees = 1.5 sacred cubits

sin 136.12 degrees = ln 2




72.7 / 2 = 36.35 = 100 - 100 sacred cubits

136.12 = actual height of the Gizeh Pyramid (141.347 - 5.23, 5.23 is the height of the masonry base)


The other angle of the triangle, 38.145 degrees, is also closely related to the sacred cubit, and the actual radius of the circle (38.13 meters) seen in the first image of this message.

38.13 = 60 sacred cubits

And 51.85/38.1 = 1.361 - therefore, all these measurements/dimensions must have been known well ahead of time to the arhitects of the Gizeh Pyramid; but in order to have the actual angle values, they needed to calculate the arctangent of two sacred cubits.

I was able to actually sum the extended arctangent series:

ARCTAN v =  2n x ((2- {2+ [2+ (2+ 2{1/(1+ v2)}1/2)1/2]...1/2}))1/2 (n+1 parentheses to be evaluated)

Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2016, 12:51:52 AM »
so in short..

you've failed to answer my question directly

you pick and choose which of your favourite ancient scientists to believe

you ignore irrefutable facts when presented with them

'probably', 'must have been', 'could be'.. loads of ifs and buts, but no simple answers, just trying to confuse people by copy snd pasting a load of shit

if you actually understand it, you'd be able to explain it.. like me


- I asked why your 'slightly transparent extra celestial body' doesn't block out the lights of other stars, you failed to answer

..ignoring my point that it's blatantly a shadow, the fact we can track the sun and moon (and have been able to for a LONG time), to their positions on opposite sides of the globe, being IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE


if you haven't got the respect to speak like a human, you don't deserve me to keep asking the same questions or keep point out the evidence you're ignoring


there's other ways to prove we're a globe too, curvature can be proven, the flat earth explanation for a localised sun can be disproven in minutes, the dome can be disproven in seconds

you, just like most other flat earthers, don't cross examine YOUR findings


even Spacecowgirl has shown more respect and has acted more like a grown up than you on this thread (and that's saying something)

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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2016, 03:23:56 AM »
Modern geology cannot explain even the official chronology of history of the last 5,000 years.

Enlighten me. Unless you mean that pyramid rambling, I'm not a mathematician or archeologist dangit.
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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2016, 03:47:35 AM »
You haven't done your homework on Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev.

For those who don't know, Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev was the greatest astrophysicist of the 20th century.

Spinning Gyroscope Experiment

In order to verify his theory, N.A.Kozyrev conducted a series of experiments with spinning gyroscopes. The goal of these experiments was to make a measurement of the forces arising while the gyroscope was spinning.

N.A.Kozyrev detected that the weight of the spinning gyroscope changes slightly depending on the angular velocity and the direction of rotation. The effect he discovered was not large, but the nature of the arising forces could not be explained by existing theories.

Kozyrev torsion fields: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/tors1a.html

In the 1970s, in order to verify N.A.Kozyrev's theory, a major research of gyroscopes and gyroscopic systems was conducted by a member of Belarus Academy of Sciences, professor A.I.Veinik. The effect discovered earlier by N.A.Kozyrev was completely confirmed.


Dr. Kozyrev (see The Pendulum of the Universe article in the Sputnik magazine) made sure that his experiments were screened from any factors usually taken into account in such experiments: air currents, mechanical actions/causes, electrical fields, e/m fields.

Dr Kozyrev's experiments began in the 1950s and were conducted since the 1970s with the ongoing assistance of Dr V. V. Nasonov, who helped to standardise the laboratory methods and the statistical analysis of the results. Detectors using rotation and vibration were specially designed and made that would react in the presence of torsion fields.

It is important to remember that these experiments were conducted under the strictest conditions, repeated in hundreds or in many cases thousands of trials and were written about in extensive mathematical detail. They have been rigorously peer-reviewed, and Lavrentyev and others have replicated the results independently.


Here are the celebrated experiments carried out by Dr. Yuri Galaev, proving that it is the ether which is rotating above the surface of the Earth, exactly the effect discovered by Kozyrev (attributed at that time to the rotation of the Earth):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1722791#msg1722791


Your giddy enthusiasm is not warranted at all, given the fact that you cannot spell Arnett.

Then, you are out of luck, since he has not proven anything relating to the faint young sun paradox.

Go ahead, and provide the paper you mentioned, and cite any "proofs" brought forth by Arnett, they can be debunked in less than 30 seconds.

You have totally failed to address any of the points I raised.




As for Neil Ashby, here are two papers detailing the terrible errors committed by Ashby:


http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Clock_Behavior_and_theSearch_for_an_Underlying_Mechanism_for_Relativistic_Phenomena_2002.pdf


http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Relativity_and_GPS-II_1995.pdf


The supposed orbital speed of the Earth around the Sun is some 30 km/s.

TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS: the GPS satellites must incorporate both the rotational Sagnac effect AND the orbital Sagnac effect.

The second effect, the orbital Sagnac effect IS NOT recorded.


In GPS the actual magnitude of the Sagnac correction
due to earth’s rotation depends on the positions of
satellites and receiver and a typical value is 30 m, as the
propagation time is about 0.1s and the linear speed due
to earth’s rotation is about 464 m/s at the equator. The
GPS provides an accuracy of about 10 m or better in positioning.
Thus the precision of GPS will be degraded significantly,
if the Sagnac correction due to earth’s rotation
is not taken into account. On the other hand, the orbital
motion of the earth around the sun has a linear speed of
about 30 km/s which is about 100 times that of earth’s
rotation.
Thus the present high-precision GPS would be
entirely impossible if the omitted correction due to orbital
motion is really necessary.


In an intercontinental microwave link between Japan and
the USA via a geostationary satellite as relay, the influence
of earth’s rotation is also demonstrated in a high-precision
time comparison between the atomic clocks at two remote
ground stations.
In this transpacific-link experiment, a synchronization
error of as large as about 0.3 µs was observed unexpectedly.


Meanwhile, as in GPS, no effects of earth’s orbital motion
are reported in these links, although they would be
easier to observe if they are in existence. Thereby, it is evident
that the wave propagation in GPS or the intercontinental
microwave link depends on the earth’s rotation, but
is entirely independent of earth’s orbital motion around
the sun or whatever. As a consequence, the propagation
mechanism in GPS or intercontinental link can be viewed
as classical in conjunction with an ECI frame, rather than
the ECEF or any other frame, being selected as the unique
propagation frame. In other words, the wave in GPS or the
intercontinental microwave link can be viewed as propagating
via a classical medium stationary in a geocentric
inertial frame.


http://qem.ee.nthu.edu.tw/f1a.pdf



I'm no scientist at all, but a very quick search on Allais effect found that the concensus seems to be, when it is observed at all,  is caused by atmospheric effects from the eclipse. 

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


Thus, neither the regular cyclical variation of the pendulum, nor the
anomalous behavior at the time of solar eclipse can be explained by the
presently understood theory of gravitation. Something else is at work.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity.
Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.

Dr. Maurice Allais:

With regard to the validity of my experiments, it seems
best to reproduce here the testimony of General Paul Bergeron,
ex-president of the Committee for Scientific Activities for
National Defense, in his letter of May 1959 to Werner von
Braun:

"Before writing to you, I considered it necessary to
visit the two laboratories of Professor Allais (one 60
meters underground), in the company of eminent
specialists – including two professors at the Ecole
Polytechnique. During several hours of discussion, we
could find no source of significant error, nor did any
attempt at explanation survive analysis.

"I should also tell you that during the last two years,
more than ten members of the Academy of Sciences and
more than thirty eminent personalities, specialists in
various aspects of gravitation, have visited both his
laboratory at Saint-Germain, and his underground
laboratory at Bougival.

"Deep discussions took place, not only on these
occasions, but many times in various scientific contexts,
notably at the Academy of Sciences and the National
Center for Scientific Research. None of these discussions
could evolve any explanation within the framework of
currently accepted theories."

This letter confirms clearly the fact that was finally
admitted at the time - the total impossibility of explaining the
perceived anomalies within the framework of currently
accepted theory.

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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2016, 05:57:17 AM »
Plate tectonics, anyone?
Why would the average person care about plate tectonics?
The average person may not be interested, but flat earth / globe earth debaters might find it interesting, especially in the context of antarctica.
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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2016, 05:58:51 AM »

But I am an expert.


;D ::) Yes, we already know that you are a "Self-made man who loves nothing more than worshipping his maker".  ::) ;D

But please, you don't have to tell us mere mortals so often.

I know the gender is wrong, but the tune of
"Bow - bow - to his daughter-in-law elect"
keeps going through my head every time your royal highness posts, I wonder why?

Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2016, 05:59:53 AM »
I have a question!

After reading about the tectonic plate and all that, I found myself can't comprehend most of the stuff written in the article due to my English skill and lack of knowledge...

So, my question is: what made up the mantle part of the earth? Is it magma? Or layer of rocks? Or both? Sorry if this question is dumb, my sorry brain just can't understand it.

If you can explain it in an easy to understand term, that'd be a great help. Thank you in advance.
Dumb boy that only have his commonsense to depend on this ridiculous site.

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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2016, 07:04:13 AM »
So, my question is: what made up the mantle part of the earth? Is it magma? Or layer of rocks? Or both?

The mantle is basically a massive layer of rock; it's not molten, but very hot and on long time scale can "flow", so in geological processes it can act like a liquid. It's not molten because of the high pressure of the overlying rocks. If you were to take the pressure off, it would melt. The mantle rocks are mostly made up of a green mineral named olivine (in gem form known as peridot), although the deeper down you go, some minerals change due to the pressure. We know a lot about what the mantle is made of because it sometimes comes to the surface in mountain belts, and mantle blobs can be included in volcanic rocks. Some meteorites also resemble the earth's mantle because they are from the mantle part of large asteroids or planetary bodies.
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« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2016, 07:25:23 AM »
Ah I see, thank.
Dumb boy that only have his commonsense to depend on this ridiculous site.

Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2016, 11:17:27 AM »
Yes, I have a geological question. I have recently read about a theory that the rise in count of wind turbines here in Oklahoma could possibly be the reason for the rise in earthquakes. Some will say fracking is the cause, and others say salt water injection sites (wells). But fracking is practically nationwide, and we don't see the frequency of earthquakes rise in states like Colorado, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas, etc.
For the record, I worked on a frac crew for 2 years, so I know what goes on. I think the general public has been misled, as it's been dragged into the political arena..
Anyway, wind turbines. What do you think?

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« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2016, 01:35:46 PM »
Yes, I have a geological question. I have recently read about a theory that the rise in count of wind turbines here in Oklahoma could possibly be the reason for the rise in earthquakes. Some will say fracking is the cause, and others say salt water injection sites (wells). But fracking is practically nationwide, and we don't see the frequency of earthquakes rise in states like Colorado, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas, etc.
For the record, I worked on a frac crew for 2 years, so I know what goes on. I think the general public has been misled, as it's been dragged into the political arena..
Anyway, wind turbines. What do you think?
I assume you mean the weight of the wind turbines? Not being familiar with the weight and number per area of those wind turbines, I think it's safe to say that a slightly larger overburden will not cause anything serious. The mean depth of the earthquakes is at over 5 km, at which the added pressure from the weight of the turbines is insignificant.
Apparently the earthquakes have been linked to the disposal of wastewater produced during oil extraction that has been injected more deeply into the ground. So the difference with regular fracking is that the idea is for the water to stay in the underground; this increase in pressure/volume can definitely cause earthquakes.
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Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2016, 02:42:10 PM »
Gravitons, quarks, Gizeh. That Sadokhan is great!

Now please tell me: why are they called neutrinos and do they exist?

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« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2016, 03:08:31 PM »
Not the added weight of the turbine itself, no. I think the article I read was referring to the force of the wind pushing horizontally, the turbine being perpendicular into the ground, and the large number of them. Make sense?

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« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2016, 03:16:15 PM »
Not the added weight of the turbine itself, no. I think the article I read was referring to the force of the wind pushing horizontally, the turbine being perpendicular into the ground, and the large number of them. Make sense?
The wind pushes against hills, mountains, buildings etc.

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« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2016, 04:09:21 PM »
Here's the article I read :

http://feedingjimmy.com/fracking-cause-earthquakes-windmills/
I'm NOT saying I buy into this, just thought it was interesting.
Thanks for your input..


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« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2016, 04:37:38 PM »
How does granite come to the surface if it can only form in the mantle?
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« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2016, 04:52:50 PM »
Here's the article I read :

http://feedingjimmy.com/fracking-cause-earthquakes-windmills/
I'm NOT saying I buy into this, just thought it was interesting.
Thanks for your input..

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Since some of you may be English majors, let me ask you this: Have you ever seen a hoovercraft on the ocean? Have you ever seen a fan boat on the bayou? These boats float on the water and are propelled by a giant fan. What I’m saying is that windmills turn the ground they are on into a giant hoovercraft.

You know the major cause of earthquakes, right? It’s when one of the earth’s tectonic plates crashes into another? Well what do you think happens when you build a ton of windmills in western Oklahoma and the whole ground crashes into eastern Oklahoma? You get tons of earthquakes in Central Oklahoma!

I think this guy is definitely on something.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2016, 05:01:55 PM »
Yes, I have a geological question. I have recently read about a theory that the rise in count of wind turbines here in Oklahoma could possibly be the reason for the rise in earthquakes. Some will say fracking is the cause, and others say salt water injection sites (wells). But fracking is practically nationwide, and we don't see the frequency of earthquakes rise in states like Colorado, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas, etc.
For the record, I worked on a frac crew for 2 years, so I know what goes on. I think the general public has been misled, as it's been dragged into the political arena..
Anyway, wind turbines. What do you think?

::) ::) ::) "wind turbines" and "earthquakes" - where's the possible connection? ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2016, 05:14:22 PM »
I posted the article. I also said I don't buy into it. Just that he raised an interesting view.
The whole hovercraft part was a little kooky.
But we're on the same side here, Rabinoz, just to be clear..

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« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2016, 05:17:30 PM »
I posted the article. I also said I don't buy into it. Just that he raised an interesting view.
The whole hovercraft part was a little kooky.
But we're on the same side here, Rabinoz, just to be clear..

Don't be scared of rabinoz!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2016, 05:26:09 PM »
Haha, I'm not. I should've attached said article to the first post. It just raised some interesting  ideas. You know, outside of the box thinking, like this site tries to encourage. And I rather appreciate this site,  because it solidifies and proves over and over what I believe - the earth is round. The flat out truth..

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« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2016, 05:27:53 PM »
Haha, I'm not. I should've attached said article to the first post. It just raised some interesting  ideas. You know, outside of the box thinking, like this site tries to encourage. And I rather appreciate this site,  because it solidifies and proves over and over what I believe - the earth is round. The flat out truth..

How could the plates skate around like hoovercraft on the round earth, tho?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2016, 05:36:06 PM »
As I said, that sounded kooky to me. He kinda lost me there. My real question was, does the energy from the wind become absorbed into the ground, well, what energy isn't translated into electrical energy. The vibrations made by them, multiplied by the amount of them.
It was my best question I could ask a geological expert.
At least I tried! Haha

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« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2016, 06:39:16 PM »

I'm no scientist at all, but a very quick search on Allais effect found that the concensus seems to be, when it is observed at all,  is caused by atmospheric effects from the eclipse. 

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


Thus, neither the regular cyclical variation of the pendulum, nor the
anomalous behavior at the time of solar eclipse can be explained by the
presently understood theory of gravitation. Something else is at work.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity.
Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.

Dr. Maurice Allais:

With regard to the validity of my experiments, it seems
best to reproduce here the testimony of General Paul Bergeron,
ex-president of the Committee for Scientific Activities for
National Defense, in his letter of May 1959 to Werner von
Braun:

"Before writing to you, I considered it necessary to
visit the two laboratories of Professor Allais (one 60
meters underground), in the company of eminent
specialists – including two professors at the Ecole
Polytechnique. During several hours of discussion, we
could find no source of significant error, nor did any
attempt at explanation survive analysis.

"I should also tell you that during the last two years,
more than ten members of the Academy of Sciences and
more than thirty eminent personalities, specialists in
various aspects of gravitation, have visited both his
laboratory at Saint-Germain, and his underground
laboratory at Bougival.

"Deep discussions took place, not only on these
occasions, but many times in various scientific contexts,
notably at the Academy of Sciences and the National
Center for Scientific Research. None of these discussions
could evolve any explanation within the framework of
currently accepted theories."

This letter confirms clearly the fact that was finally
admitted at the time - the total impossibility of explaining the
perceived anomalies within the framework of currently
accepted theory.
Sorry, apparently my comments didn't post, just your quote.  I don't have a lot to add, except, again, not a scientist but everything that comes up when I search about this Allais paradox is that, the equipment today is much more precise and less prone to error.  The times it has been repeated they often do not even see this anomaly and when they do it is so small as to be easily explained by atmospheric conditions.  Perhaps some of the more scientific minds here can check me on my interpretation on that.
Another thing I notice is that you only quoted Allais himself, from like 60 years ago.  It's as if you think science stopped. 
My point on this is that there is no way you can say this proves that eclipses are not caused by shadows and the moon covering the sun.  The evidence does not even suggest that let alone prove it.

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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2016, 08:45:07 PM »
Haha, I'm not. I should've attached said article to the first post. It just raised some interesting  ideas. You know, outside of the box thinking, like this site tries to encourage. And I rather appreciate this site,  because it solidifies and proves over and over what I believe - the earth is round. The flat out truth..

How could the plates skate around like hoovercraft on the round earth, tho?
We use "Hoovers" on the carpet here! Do you ride them in Florida? Is it more exciting than riding Alligators?

But, maybe he thinks that these wind-turbines are going to 
::) ;D be driven by the power grid and make the tectonic plates into gigantic hover-craft - now there's a ride for you.  ;D ::)

I don't think Globe or flat Earth would come into it - I tink it's "out of this world".

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« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2016, 09:24:22 PM »
All I can see is, people who do fracking are trying to blur things
by introducing wind turbines into the whole story.

Wind turbine foundation reaches tectonic plate?
And, as rabinoz noted, are the turbines driven by the grid to work as propellers?
In some other areas you have trees that catch much more wind that the turbines.
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

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