The earth is round

how can you say the earth is round??
i have a pic of the great ice wall as my avatar

Bibicul, youre an  f-ing genius. I loved reading your posts.

Thank you :)

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With the FE theory, all of these are conspiracies. You've given no proof for a RE so far.

Answer: "For proof - Search www.wikipedia.com for "Earth". Then check out what they say about its shape, size, etc. Then try google-ing "Earth" and read about it on websites (.org's, for example). After that go to www.space.com and look at pictures of earth from space."

You have no proof that these are conspiracies; until you do, this is valid information.

Furthermore, FE is not a theory, as I proved (read past posts for demonstration). It's an assumption. Only RE is a theory (so far).

my god...so ur saying...wait let me get this straight, this is SMART!!! wat ur saying is: if u google something...the 100% correct answer comes up!?!?! YOU ARE SHITTING ME!!!

u r a fking genious man!!! can u give me a step by step walkthru? plzzzzz i really need to get this answer for a question i got: it goes something like this: "is bullshit ever posted on the web?" cos i've found all this stuff about there being no moon, and even an article that states that retarded ppl can't use the net, which has just been disproved about one second into ur post!

best. forum. ever.

It's getting really tiring to repeat myself for people who don't like to read the entire post but... for the sake or debating (which I really like) I will do so... again. Below you have a quote with a few added notes for "better understanding".


You have no proof that these are conspiracies (i.e. wikipedia, .org websites, or space.com); moreover, at least some of these websites make an effort to sustain their affirmations with evidence, unlike you. Until you prove the contrary, this is valid information, not a conspiracy.

Furthermore, FE is not a theory, as I proved (read past posts for demonstration). It's an assumption. Only RE is a theory (so far).

tis true, but i still like to argue like a little bitch  :wink:

That's ok. It would just be a little nicer if you didn't call people retarded for no apparent reason. I used no harsh language whatsoever.

actually that point is especially valid to me as i tend to work with such children  :shock:  don't worry, in real life i am quite a nice man, its just that i find this forum has a special touch of crude hilarity to it

That's a very good point.

It's getting really tiring to repeat myself for people who don't like to read the entire post but... for the sake or debating (which I really like) I will do so... again. Below you have a quote with a few added notes for "better understanding".


You have no proof that these are conspiracies (i.e. wikipedia, .org websites, or space.com); moreover, at least some of these websites make an effort to sustain their affirmations with evidence, unlike you. Until you prove the contrary, this is valid information, not a conspiracy.

Furthermore, FE is not a theory, as I proved (read past posts for demonstration). It's an assumption. Only RE is a theory (so far).

You claim that the FE'ers provide no evidence, but just read the Faq and you'll find some.

how can you say the earth is round??
i have a pic of the great ice wall as my avatar

OMG, it was true.!!
And the penguins are waiting for us too.

But seriously.

You claim that the FE'ers provide no evidence, but just read the Faq and you'll find some.

The faq is incomplete, and what it contains cannot be called evidence because it cannot be verified. And a lot of it opposes the laws of phisics and/or contradicts itself.

The faq is incomplete, and what it contains cannot be called evidence because it cannot be verified. And a lot of it opposes the laws of phisics and/or contradicts itself.

How does it violate the laws of "phisics"?

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The faq is incomplete, and what it contains cannot be called evidence because it cannot be verified. And a lot of it opposes the laws of phisics and/or contradicts itself.

How does it violate the laws of "phisics"?

The Earth is much too large to not reach hydrostatic equilibrium, as much smaller bodies such as Ceres and our moon have. Also, the ice wall is not high enough to contain gases, which fill the atmosphere. And most importantly, they believe gravity is a lie.

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The faq is incomplete, and what it contains cannot be called evidence because it cannot be verified. And a lot of it opposes the laws of phisics and/or contradicts itself.

How does it violate the laws of "phisics"?

The Earth is much too large to not reach hydrostatic equilibrium, as much smaller bodies such as Ceres and our moon have. Also, the ice wall is not high enough to contain gases, which fill the atmosphere. And most importantly, they believe gravity is a lie.

Also, since there is no gravity, and no rotation, the earth would lack centrifugal acceleration ,which means that we'd all end up floating away in space.

Gravity = acceleration.

How about actually understanding what is in the FAQ first.

Gravity = acceleration.

How about actually understanding what is in the FAQ first.

How about the fact that this is not true?
Gravity is a fundamental force of the universe, along with the nucklear force and magnetism.

Acceleration is not gravity, where did you go to school? F1 cars don't generate gravitationnal fields simply because they accelerate faster do they?

acceleration (symbol: a) is defined as the rate of change (or derivative with respect to time) of velocity. It is thus a vector quantity with dimension length/timeČ. In SI units, acceleration is measured in meters/secondČ using an accelerometer.

Gravity is the force of attraction between massive particles

Classically, the gravitational attraction of the earth endows objects having mass with weight, and causes them to fall to the ground when dropped (the earth also moves toward the object per Newton's third law of motion, but only by an infinitesimal amount). Moreover, gravitation is the reason for the very existence of the earth, the sun, and other celestial bodies; without it matter would not have coalesced into these bodies and life as we know it would not exist. Gravitation is also responsible for keeping the earth and the other planets in their orbits around the sun, the moon in its orbit around the earth, for the formation of tides, and for various other natural phenomena that we observe.

Check your facts before saying "read the faq" like it was the final word on everything. The faq is flawed. If it really does say that gravity IS acceleration, then nothing in it should be beleived.

Gravity is a fundamental force of the universe, along with the nucklear force and magnetism.

wtf is nucklear force?!?!  :lol:  haha

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Gravity = acceleration.

How about actually understanding what is in the FAQ first.

How about the fact that this is not true?
Gravity is a fundamental force of the universe, along with the nucklear force and magnetism.

Acceleration is not gravity, where did you go to school? F1 cars don't generate gravitationnal fields simply because they accelerate faster do they?

TheEngineer didn't say acceleration causes gravity, he said acceleration is gravity, and vice versa.

You claim that the FE'ers provide no evidence, but just read the Faq and you'll find some.

My friends, that is not evidence... Evidence is "proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects". The FAQ, and entire FE theory, is based on assumptions. That's why it doesn't stand.

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Gravity = acceleration.

How about actually understanding what is in the FAQ first.

How about the fact that this is not true?

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?  Gravity and acceleration are locally indistinguishable from one another.  Hence, gravity=acceleration.  Don't believe me?  Take it up with Einstein.

That's completely ridiculous. Gravity and acceleration are not the same thing at all. Einstein would turn in his grave if someone actually thought he said that.

Not you too...I suggest reading about relativity, especially the part where Einstein states this is true.  Think about it like this:  If you were in an elevator, with no reference to the outside world, that was accelerating up at 9.8 m/s^2, you would not be able to tell if you were moving or if you were in the presence of a gravitational field.

That, my friend, is a specific case, and definitely not a statement that Eistein made to prove that acceleration=gravity. You're saying that if the elevator was accelerating at 9,8 m/s^2, then you would not be able to tell if you were moving or if you were in the presence of a gravitational field.

That does not make acceleration and gravity the same! Have you ever considered the most likely case of you accelerating at a different rate than 9,8 m/s^2? Then gravity and acceleration would have nothing to do with each other.

Lastly:

To accelerate an object is to change its velocity, which is accomplished by altering either its speed or direction (like in case of uniform circular motion) in relation to time. It's equation is a=dv/dt, where v is the velocity and t is time

Gravity or Gravitation is a property of all objects with mass that causes them to attract each other. In everyday terms, it endows them with "weight." E=M C^2

Acceleration and gravity are not the same. You can also ask your physics professor.

That's completely ridiculous. Gravity and acceleration are not the same thing at all. Einstein would turn in his grave if someone actually thought he said that.

ur kidding right? i took u for a slightly logical human being...

gravity does equal acceleration!

for those of you who cant understand...ill try to explain, but don't go nitpicking on wat i say!  :evil:  

gravity is really an accelerating force that pushes us down at approximately 9.8 m/s^2 as the engineer stated. "gravity" is just a fancy word for acceleration, and it has stayed in the vocab of languages because before it was found to be acceleration people just couldn't figure out what kept them on the ground, so they referred to it as something completely different to acceleration, calling it "gravity."

think of it this way: if gravity was not acceleration there would be two options for why we fall back to earth (or other planets, etc), firstly would be that we are simply attracted by it...as ancient phylosophers wrote "earth attracts earth, air attracts air"

this is bull quite obviously, so the other reason we are being pushed downwards is if gravity was actually force: but as F=ma...that would mean gravity has a mass? now i don't see some fatarse gravity sitting on us and pushing us down at 9.8 m/s^2!!!

HOWEVER we do FEEL a force wen acted upon by gravity, as do all other objects with mass: look at the above equation of F=ma and think about it: if we feeeeeel a force of gravity...and we have mass...then obviously the only thing missing is acceleration (gravity itself, the force we feel is simply a product of us having mass).

thats as simple as i can explain it...sorry if it wasn't done very well

To accelerate an object is to change its velocity, which is accomplished by altering either its speed or direction (like in case of uniform circular motion) in relation to time. It's equation is a=dv/dt, where v is the velocity and t is time

thank you for agreeing with me completely!

ill explain: when you jump up you are travelling with a velocity upwards, but wait? u DONT keep travelling upwards forever at the same velocity, ur velocity changes in magnitude and direction and u are propelled back towards the earth...

THINK MAN!!! this IS a change in velocity, as velocity is a vector quantity! ANY CHANGE IN VELOCITY OVER TIME IS ACCELERATION!!! u just sed so urself! grrrr

woopedazz you're lost pal... gravity and acceleration are NOT the same!

Read my post or go read the definitions on both gravity and acceleration! Or if you're still in school, ASK your professor! How can you make a statement like that? Acceleration is NOT necessarily 9,8m/s^2. Acceleration is not given by a formula with fixed variables - it can vary, depending on velocity and time! That variation is NOT necessarily equal to that of gravity!

Oh my God... read the post, don't read between the lines! What kind of debator are you? I did NOT agree with you in my post, read it again until you understand!

u r insane...stop fking with my head and open ur closed mind!  :?

seriously bibicul...look gravity up plz, for ur own sake...i seriously hope ur just pulling my leg to annoy me grrr

That, my friend, is a specific case, and definitely not a statement that Eistein made to prove that acceleration=gravity. You're saying that if the elevator was moving at the specific speed of 9,8 m/s^2, then you would not be able to tell if you were moving or if you were in the presence of a gravitational field.

Sigh...If the elevator accelerated at a different rate, you would not be able to tell that it was moving or if you were in a different gravitational field.

That does not make acceleration and gravity the same! If you're moving at 9,8 m/s^2, that's speed, not acceleration!

They are equivalent.

Are you aware that speed and acceleration are not the same?

Um, yes.

Lastly:

To accelerate an object is to change its velocity, which is accomplished by altering either its speed or direction (like in case of uniform circular motion) in relation to time. It's equation is a=dv/dt, where v is the velocity and t is time

I know.

Gravity or Gravitation is a property of all objects with mass that causes them to attract each other. In everyday terms, it endows them with "weight." E=M C^2

A swing and a miss!  E=mc^2 has no gravitational term.

You can also ask your physics professor.

I no longer have one.  If I did, he would say that you were wrong.  If Einstein was still alive, he would smack you upside the head.

For your enlightenment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle

   we [...] assume the complete physical equivalence of a gravitational field and a corresponding acceleration of the reference system. (Einstein, 1907)

That is, remaining at rest in a uniform gravitational field is physically equivalent to experiencing an acceleration