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Flat Earth General / JROA's new signature is awesome
« on: January 26, 2014, 11:16:37 PM »
It perfectly summarizes how FE thinks. Like 2nd graders. Thank GOD 2nd graders aren't in charge of designing computers!! They can decide what shape the earth is.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why does the sun vanish and not slowly fade
« on: December 12, 2013, 09:14:48 PM »
I feel obligated to tell all of you that Skeptimatic is a troll*. Please disregard his posts. Cheers. :D

*Just his stupid eye comment gave him away, jeez. Its like he is not even trying.

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Flat Earth General / Re: GRAVITY?
« on: December 12, 2013, 09:06:36 PM »
I don't know what any of that means.

Why did you post in this topic? The only thing you can share is "I don't think the earth is flat, don't ask me why". If you don't understand science, don't post in topics that requires that level of education. Thanks. :D


Also, to OP, gravity is a force that RE's use to explain stuff. It is commonly viewed as the bending of space/time, and all matter bends space/time. Large bodies of matter bend spacetime more, causing other small bodies of matter to fall into the "hole" it is making.

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Scelulos, I am going to assume you are 14 or 15 because that is the level of intelligence you seem to be at right now.

Go outside, at the beach, preferably. The horizon will be *almost* exactly at 90 degrees (IF straight up is 180, and straight down is 0.)

It does not matter if a flying rats ass told you that the plane or car was level, it matters if the CAMERA is level or not. If I take a picture exactly level pointing at the horizon, the horizon will be exactly in the middle of the picture. *

If, however, I take a picture pointing slightly UP, then the horizon will be lower!!!! Did I break science?? How did the horizon get lower?? Does that mean the earth is leaning DOWN?? No. It does not. That might be a shocker to you, but take it slow, and you should be fine. Same goes for pointing the camera slightly down. The horizon does not move, your point of view does. The mere fact that the horizon in your images is not in the exact center of the image automatically proves that the camera is angled down. simple as that.





*This is a simple perspective nugget. If your eyesight is parallel to the ground, the horizon will rise up to meet it at an "infinite" distance. This causes the horizon to be exactly where we are looking if we are looking parallel to the ground.

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I had a good LOL while reading the first post. Wow. So you don't know how walking/running works. Ok. Go read a book about it. still here? I am assuming you have NOT read up on it yet, so I will try to tell you.

btw, this has nothing to do with your theory on the earth being concave/Vshaped/flat. I don't really care about it right now.
My issue is with how you try to prove it.
Do you know what walking is? Do you even know the mechanics of walking/running? Do you know what propulsion is?

Let me try to explain. Something, be it magic, gravity, the earth zooming up infinitely faster, but not quite light speed, whatever....something, is causing us to fall. Always, all the time. Something is pulling us down. Now, if we bend our knees and rapidly extend them straight, we will jump up. I need you to understand this. If you extend your knees straight underneath you, you will jump up (if you capable of jumping and not injured or something). If you lean backward, and extend your knees rapidly, your torso will start falling, but your lower body will jump. This causes you to fall on your back. This is merely gravity/magic acting on your body. This has NOTHING to do with the shape of the earth at this point.

Now, for sprinters, or walkers, the end goal is to propel yourself forward. So, they don't just extend their knees vertically, they do a combination of leaning forward, and pushing backward with their feet by extending their knees.

They do this by first leaning forward. At this point, they are simply falling down. When the angle of their body to the ground is correct (this angle is learned through training, either from childhood, or advanced training for athletes) they place their foot on the ground, use the traction in their feet, and push backwards and into the ground. This propels them forward.

To summarize, we do not lean forward because the earth is rising up (like climbing a mountain, the angle between you and the mountain will obviously be less than 90 degrees. Like this. (   \\\\| ) *the vertical line is you.

We lean forward in order to propel ourselves forward.

TL,DR: Your post wreaks of ignorance. Please read more books before making your own. Also, your other thread about the cockpit view and angles to the horizon thing was adorable. It's like watching a child try to make up a joke. The joke may be terrible, but it is cute none the less.

Cheers.



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I was trying not to sound like that. Sorry if I did. I meant a large change is an accumulation of thousands of small changes. Hence, they cannot be the same thing. 1 is not the same as 1000. It is the same concept, which I already stated, but we don't have enough time to actually observe the large change.

Bacterium operating entirely different than they were originally is a rather large change. It would be like copying Windows over and over again and later you end up with Linux. We have not seen entire new phylum of animals spontaneously erupt, but that doesn't mean "large scale" evolution can't be proven.

The bacterium was not acting entirely differently than how it was, it received a plasmid, or two, that enabled it to digest starch. It would be like copying and pasting formulas from one math book into another resulting in a brand new math book. You know how many times you have to do this? Once.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Creationist Museum
« on: September 22, 2013, 07:02:09 PM »
I agree, the Earth does not have four actually corners, the bible is full of metaphors.

As a Christian, thank you very much for understanding this. The Bible constantly uses phrases like "ends of the Earth" also as figurative speech. Revelation itself is almost all metaphor for the "end times". So, as a Christian, take each phrase or statement in the Bible with a grain of salt, and you should be ok.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Moderation
« on: September 20, 2013, 02:20:11 AM »
where there is sun there is mirage
where the temperature is not absolute zero there is mirage

From wikipedia:

"A superior mirage occurs when the air below the line of sight is colder than the air above it. This unusual arrangement is called a temperature inversion, since warm air above cold air is the opposite of the normal temperature gradient of the atmosphere. Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior. Superior mirages are in general less common than inferior mirages, but when they do occur, they tend to be more stable, as cold air has no tendency to move up and warm air has no tendency to move down."

This is precisely what is happening there at Chesapeake Bay. A place know for marine layers.
gov't coverup of the truth

***####***ERROR LOADING FACTS***####***
***####****TERMINATING LOGIC****####***
***###***LOADING CONSPIRACY SCAPEGOAT***###***

darknavyseal, do not make low content posts in the upper fora.  Consider this a warning.

It is not low content. If I said "I think you are refusing to accept facts. Do not abandon logic just to hide behind a conspiracy" it would not have been 'low content'. Just because I stated it in a humorous way (in my opinion) does not make it low content.

Your post was low content. Keep it out of the upper fora.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Sinking boat
« on: September 19, 2013, 09:10:51 PM »
where there is sun there is mirage
where the temperature is not absolute zero there is mirage

From wikipedia:

"A superior mirage occurs when the air below the line of sight is colder than the air above it. This unusual arrangement is called a temperature inversion, since warm air above cold air is the opposite of the normal temperature gradient of the atmosphere. Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior. Superior mirages are in general less common than inferior mirages, but when they do occur, they tend to be more stable, as cold air has no tendency to move up and warm air has no tendency to move down."

This is precisely what is happening there at Chesapeake Bay. A place know for marine layers.
gov't coverup of the truth

***####***ERROR LOADING FACTS***####***
***####****TERMINATING LOGIC****####***
***###***LOADING CONSPIRACY SCAPEGOAT***###***

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lol. So, a human who has a mutated gene in africa giving him immunity to malaria is the same as a lizard evolving into a bird. I didn't mean they are called different things, I meant that we can observe small changes in genetic make up, but not species hopping mutations, simply because it takes too long.

Small changes and large changes are the exact same thing, this is a core concept of evolution. You also seem to have that notorious notion that animals evolve "into" other animals. A lizard didn't lay an egg with a raven in it, if that's what you're wondering.

I was trying not to sound like that. Sorry if I did. I meant a large change is an accumulation of thousands of small changes. Hence, they cannot be the same thing. 1 is not the same as 1000. It is the same concept, which I already stated, but we don't have enough time to actually observe the large change.

Also, I said lizard """evolving""" into a bird. That means thousands if not millions of mutations to create new genes which must be selected for by the environment in order for a new species to pop up.

Also, thanks for the conversation. :D

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I myself believe in evolution, but I have yet to see an experiment that definitively proves large scale evolution.

Evolution is evolution. There are no scales.

lol. So, a human who has a mutated gene in africa giving him immunity to malaria is the same as a lizard evolving into a bird. I didn't mean they are called different things, I meant that we can observe small changes in genetic make up, but not species hopping mutations, simply because it takes too long.

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I myself believe in evolution, but I have yet to see an experiment that definitively proves large scale evolution.

There are several, if you actually look. I can't remember the name of the researcher or the paper off the top of my head, but I remember reading a paper in which some scientists made a strain of bacteria evolve into a new species that was capable of digesting starch. Or something like that. It took several months and an amount of generations equivalent to tens of thousands of years of human evolutionary time.

Thank you.

However, even my own biology instructor at my university said that isn't equivalent to say, a common ancestor to human, because of the ways bacteria pass information with eachother. It's just different. Conventional evolution with mammals involves mutations. Bacteria can send plasmids with genes to be inserted into other bacteria all the time.

A study I have been looking into is a study about flies. They grew flies from the same species and separated them into groups, feeding one group a certain food different from the other group. Eventually, the two groups would exclusively eat the food they were accustomed to, and they would not even mate with eachother. The next step is for a mutation to occur that introduces a new trait into the gene pool, or a repressed trait to resurface.

Sorry to clutter this, maybe I will make my own thread.

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Evolutionary flat earther. I can view evolution with my own eyes and do relevant biological experiments with my own equipment. I can even watch the Flu virus evolve on a yearly basis. I can't "see" creationism happen, so it wouldn't be very Zetetic to say that's what happened.

How does an evolutionist answer the question, "why does evolution take place?"

The question "why" is irrelevant. Surely, you meant "how?"

An excellent reason rushy. What biological experiments have you performed that proves evolution? I myself believe in evolution, but I have yet to see an experiment that definitively proves large scale evolution.

I know this is side tracking, but I was curious.

Myself, I believe God created the Big Bang, and kick started evolution. Also, Round Earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Retry
« on: September 13, 2013, 12:15:15 AM »
The question said on, not in. Context is relevant.

Using the phrase "Life on..." is a common phrase and this is part of the context.  You cannot ignore the common usage of a phrase.

The words "on" and "in" have very different, distinct definitions. The phrase "there is a strain of acne-causing bacteria on you" does not imply that there is acne-causing bacteria inside of you.

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He would have gotten different answers if he had been asking for evidence of life inside of planets.

This is an assertion for which you have no preexisting evidence.

As I said, the question would have been answered differently.

To think that when referring to life we must use 'on' or 'in' depending on where it is found is ridiculous. "New species found in a cave ON Earth."
Nobody says 'in'. The OP was using terminology we are used to every day, not your annoying nagging about details. Point is, Rushy said there was no life on mars because there was no green on it, which is a silly, stupid, and terrible reason to assert such a claim.

Cheers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satan as Conspiracy Head
« on: August 28, 2013, 07:59:34 AM »
The Satan conspiracy is held by bible literalists, a horribly hypocritical group of people.  This society has no direct ties to any religion, and as such should not deploy such a cop out as blaming the devil for the evils of the world (the conspiracy).   The fact that some bible literalists (a small population of them) believe the earth is flat is only due to the bible.

A very small population of them. I (a sort of Bible literalist*) have been in a lot of Christian circles, and I have met exactly 3 people who believe the Earth is flat. Granted, I didn't straight up ask them if they thought the Earth was flat, but they usually brought the topic out of nowhere. Maybe for attention?

*I don't hold to the Earth being several thousand years old, but everything else I try to hold to. :P


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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Take two
« on: August 02, 2013, 01:29:20 AM »
I am never going to see the earth from a distance

Why do you believe in things you cannot, and will never, see?

Probably for the same reasons that you believe in an infinite plane, flat earth.

I will never see your bathroom, Tom. I firmly believe it exists, since you are clearly not dead from infection from crapping all over your bathroomless house. Hence, you must own a bathroom. I never saw it, yet I believe it exists.

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dis guy is dumher den skiptimertic

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I can make whatever the heck kind of model however the heck I want to, and make some silly animation of how the sun/antisun works on it, make the continents look like scrambled eggs, and pass it off as a "model" of a "map" of the "Earth". I can make sure that the places that are supposed to have sunlight do indeed have sunlight by simply making up some bs about light bending and stuff, and make sure that distance inconsistencies are accounted for by introducing magical portals to pass from one point to the other. I will then say all other models are wrong, and say "My model is proven to be true because my bs theories account for the sunlight stuff, my bs portals account for distances, and your bs model is wrong because my bs theories don't agree with it."

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Flat Earth General / Re: Apollo Conspiracy
« on: July 26, 2013, 08:06:07 AM »
Why are all the FErs ignoring the impossible dust motion in the second video alex posted?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Soundbites
« on: July 25, 2013, 12:58:22 AM »
It looks that way from *very* high up.

It does. FE made up bendy light to account for it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A Sphere is Not Required
« on: July 25, 2013, 12:57:33 AM »
Muggsy, drop it. You have nothing to give here.

Moon phases simply don't look like that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Soundbites
« on: July 24, 2013, 05:05:49 PM »
It looks that way up close.

Very soon followed by "It does not look that way from high up. But who cares?"

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers hear the truth
« on: July 23, 2013, 10:33:48 PM »
DuckDodger, this is the upper fora.  Please refrain from low content posts.  Have a nice day and consider this a warning.   >o<

JROA, this is the upper "fora" (?), so please move this to "Complete Nonsense" or "Angry Ranting", as this guy isn't causing a discussion, he is just spouting stuff from his brain. Plus, he sounds angry BECAUSE OF THE CAPSLOCK!!!?@)!!1!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Star Exposure.
« on: July 19, 2013, 09:37:26 PM »
The starts are rotating above the surface of the earth.

nope, it depends on where you are on Earth.

http://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/StarMotion.html

The title of that article is "Motion of the Stars," which suggests that the stars are indeed in motion above the earth.

Yes indeed, it is an astronomy lesson. I would imagine for a newbie because the motion of the stars is apparent. It is what a child thinks until they get an education. It is what everyone thought until we discovered better explanations. The article explains this anyway, stop focusing so much on the title.

The article says explicitly that the stars are in motion:

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"Here’s a time-exposure photo that vividly illustrates the motion of the stars through a portion of our sky:"
That means, relative to the SKY, the stars are moving.

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"As time passes, the stars rise in the east (just like the sun). But notice that they rise diagonally, not straight up. The diagonal goes from north (left) to south (right). After a few hours, these same stars will appear high in the southern sky."
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"Turning to face south, we see that the stars there are moving from left (east) to right (west):"
Same.
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"And in the north, the motion is most interesting. Stars rise in the northeast...again, relative to the SKY which was explicitly stated in the first quote... and set in the northwest, moving in counter-clockwise circles around a point that's high above the northern horizon:"

Tom, are you spouting crap just because you can? This is the most low content post I have seen from you. Why are you not getting "warned" for doing this?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: New here
« on: July 19, 2013, 09:29:55 PM »
It is important to note, wlibertein, that any experiments that a "zetetic" has not done himself is immediately invalid. That is why they cannot agree on anything besides "flat" in their model.
Any experience has to be theirs, and theirs alone. :/


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Flat Earth General / Re: Balloons
« on: July 18, 2013, 09:52:01 PM »
He is misinterpreting the "spotlight" theory of the sun, Don.

Look up "spotlight" in the website. There are some helpful animation of what he is saying.

The curve we see cannot be the edge of the spotlight simply because it would mean that sunlight ends there. It does not. At the time the picture was taken, apparently morning/noon, there is much more land past that curve/line that has sunlight still. Just because we can't see it, doesn't mean it's night for them. It would be like saying, "I can't see South America right now, therefore it is night for them, since it is day for me. :/

Aevan, am I getting it right, or am I still wrong? I thought I had a grip on this, at least I felt like it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Balloons
« on: July 18, 2013, 01:05:32 PM »
If the horizon was perfectly flat left to right and did not wrap around you, the earth would have to be infinite.

If the earth was a flat disk, well that picture is what you would expect.



Today we learn from Ævan that the whole world is about as large as the Massachusetts area, where this picture was taken. I did not know that Asia, or any other continent that cannot be seen in this photo, is actually fake. Probably a conspiracy.

What you have posted is what it would look like maybe at the very edge of Earth.
And if you say "It's the spotlight of the sun which is a circle that you are seeing", there are many areas hundreds of miles past the "curve" in this picture that still experience daylight. So, probably no. Unless, of course, you believe the Massachusetts area is the only place that gets sunlight in the picture.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Test the Earth's shape: Measure a mountain!
« on: July 16, 2013, 11:10:55 PM »
Are you actually experimenting? Data? What is this? Are you lost? This is the Flat Earth Society, you utterly foolish noob! Do you not know that data is not welcome here?

Be GONE!!! >o<

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Christian here.  ;D

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Is Round Earth Doctrine Ancestor Worship?
« on: July 15, 2013, 11:43:11 PM »
Ancestors: Circa 3000-5000 years ago. Thought the Earth was flat.
Ancestors: Circa 2000 years ago. Thought the Earth was flat.
Ancestors: Circa 500-600 years ago. Thought the Earth was round.

Am I missing something? It seems to me that the Flat Earth Society is doing "Ancestor worship", not us roundies. I see nothing wrong with believing something our ancient ancestors did, but Muggsy brought it up. Why is it bad?
So now you're going to start equivocating on the word "ancestor"?

???

1. A huge majority of our "ancestors" believed the Earth was flat.
2. Why is it a bad thing to believe what our more recent ancestors believe? Is that a problem? Our knowledge has been building on itself for hundreds of years. Of course we don't throw away everything our ancestors invested in.

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