I could make this a poll.I do vaguely remember someone saying something of the sort but what's the relevance?
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
Any comments ?
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
Any comments ?
I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
Any comments ?
I could make this a poll.I answered your questions.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
Any comments ?
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth. What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?
To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university. Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.
It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site. They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat. They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will. Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.Don’t you want to see a cosmic ripple that began it’s journey long before the dawn of mankind ?
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will. Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.In other words, you don't want to learn the truth. Sad.
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.
(https://i.imgur.com/WspQyAT.jpg)
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth. What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?
To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university. Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.
It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site. They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat. They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.
Just another curious thought with a big LOL.
If the earth was flat, why wouldn't there have been a "Uniplane" instead of the "Unisphere" at the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair ???
Been there. Done that. Both years of the fair.
(https://i.imgur.com/WspQyAT.jpg)
But doesn't it look like that on the flat earth map - the one with the ice ring ?
I've been to Palomar on a couple of occasions...
Notice that both flattards say they've never been to an observatory?
BTW Gotham, the Earth actually IS classified as a planet.
No, I have not spoken yet with anyone in the Navy who had opinion on a flat Earth.
I submit, however, that sheer logic and population probabilities demand that some FE sailors would exist.
The invite is made for them so sign-up and chime-in.
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth. What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?Where is any of this "truthful evidence to the contrary"? There certainly seems none on this site so where is all this wonderful evidence.
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth. What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?Where is any of this "truthful evidence to the contrary"? There certainly seems none on this site so where is all this wonderful evidence.
The Earth is very special for sure, per those really in the know. Using the "P" word for Earth requires proof.
You don't need an observatory or, for that matter, a rocket to know the Earth is flat.
It seems whenever REers try to prove a claim they either enter an observatory or climb into a rocket and fly away.
Observations on Earth are the best way to substantiate claims of Earth shape.
If you don't have a full grasp on the nature of the universe and aren't viewing the universe through a complete lens, one can not say with any definitive assurance what shape the Earth is. Flat or globe..... Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety
If you don't have a full grasp on the nature of the universe and aren't viewing the universe through a complete lens, one can not say with any definitive assurance what shape the Earth is. Flat or globe..... Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety
Yes, but, you have to make some assumptions along the way. We’ll never have all the answers. And that’s fine. It’s a nice stretch goal though. And in the mean time, to propel humankind forward, (whatever that means exactly), we have to operate within constructs and devise new ones to try and sate the human necessity to figure out what this dumpster fire is all about. For me, RET is more conducive to going forward whereas FET is going backwards.
Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety;D ;D Well why not explain to us mere 8) mortals 8) most knowledgeable Guru :o ::)?
Both assumptions could look equally ridiculous when viewing and understanding the universe in its entirety;D ;D Well why not explain to us mere 8) mortals 8) most knowledgeable Guru :o ::)?
The globe model works within the confines of our meager needs and 3 dimensional universe, every answer should have the caveat that it is limited to the 3 dimensional universe, except you get rab&Jack pretend their answers apply to the universe as a whole and that's the end of the discussion as far as they are concernedThat is total unadulterated garbage.
I could make this a poll.So if you want a discussion on your whole multidimensional universal get off your backside and make your own thread!
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
Any comments ?
There is not enough storage space on Earth to compile all that information. Not even close. Well at least in this time period :)So pretends the greatest BS artist that the Universe has known or will know in the next 10^10^10^56 years (did I miss a couple of yotta millennia?).
There is not enough storage space on Earth to compile all that information. Not even close. Well at least in this time period :)So pretends the greatest BS artist that the Universe has known or will know in the next 10^10^10^56 years (did I miss a couple of yotta millennia?).
I'm a mite curious!There is not enough storage space on Earth to compile all that information. Not even close. Well at least in this time period :)So pretends the greatest BS artist that the Universe has known or will know in the next 10^10^10^56 years (did I miss a couple of yotta millennia?).
Yeah it's the best prediction we have at this time +/- a few years each side :)
I'm a mite curious!There is not enough storage space on Earth to compile all that information. Not even close. Well at least in this time period :)So pretends the greatest BS artist that the Universe has known or will know in the next 10^10^10^56 years (did I miss a couple of yotta millennia?).
Yeah it's the best prediction we have at this time +/- a few years each side :)
If there's "not enough storage space on Earth to compile all that information" just how big is your head to hold all this vast knowledge?
I often wonder why people continue their belief in a round Earth.
What makes them keep on believing amidst truthful evidence to the contrary?
To the OP: I have not been to an observatory but have been in a "planetarium" as part of astronomy training at university.
Since the Earth is not recognized as a planet, not too many rules of naming-logic are broken by a "planetarium" existing on a non-planet.
It will be appreciated if Navy members who recognize a flat Earth would sign-up for the site.
They should know that other people who sail the seas know the Earth is flat.
They are in great company and do not have to fear expressing their honesty.
I'll be the first to concede that you'd need that dense storage to contain all that BS contained in that massive brain of yours.
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::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)Time is not a linear dimension for me as it is for you.
My consciousness is not confined to a single moment in time either
Currently the densest energy storage method you have is synthetic polymer strands and
you probably are awestruck by how much data that can hold (~1 zettabyte in 10 grams).
It is vastly insufficient and inferior to what you will achieve in the next century which is
what you will need to bring to the table to have any hope in storing the complete works of the universe.
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::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
I'll be the first to concede that you'd need that dense storage to contain all that BS contained in that massive brain of yours.
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)Time is not a linear dimension for me as it is for you.
My consciousness is not confined to a single moment in time either
Currently the densest energy storage method you have is synthetic polymer strands and
you probably are awestruck by how much data that can hold (~1 zettabyte in 10 grams).
It is vastly insufficient and inferior to what you will achieve in the next century which is
what you will need to bring to the table to have any hope in storing the complete works of the universe.
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
::) ::) :P ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ::) ::)
But I still gave a question.
What is the source of the energy needed to power the huge shovel that must be needed to move that massive amount of male bovine excreta around?
Have you solved the problems of compact nuclear fusion? Or is it some more exotic energy source.
Disregarding your colourful description, the answer you are ultimately looking for, is a singularity. One which mankind will master in the latter half of the next centuryAnd you source of this information?
I dont need to go to an observatory, I have my own telescope. Astronomy is a hobby of me.What you might be able to provide would be similarly scaled photos of some well know constellation (maybe Orion) at a number of elevations from rising in the east to setting in the west.
I could make this a poll.I have visited an astronomical observatory.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
Any comments ?
I have visited an astronomical observatory.
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
Err...I have visited an astronomical observatory.
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing.
Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.I do not need to telephone someone 3000 miles away when people standing in the same room with obviously different perspectives will relate different accounts of what they see.
All these supposed ‘round earthers’ coming here with their constant attacks and ridicule makes me think of Macbeth “doth, the lady protest too much.”
Almost seems like they came here with a purpose to dissuade those from seeking the truth.
I could make this a poll.This is a big reason, among others for why I believe earth is round. I was Navy for four years and have sailed from Victoria Canada all the way down to Columbia South America. Every time the ship left port I was stationed on top of the bridge and watched all the ships and land and objects appear and disappear over the horizon. I have seen this through high powered optics also and just good binoculars. When I looked at the disappearing object with the binoculars and then with the high powered optics the image looked exactly the same as far as how high it was above the horizon, the optics image was just a bit clearer. I did not see any mirages, and the bottom of the ships/objects always disappeared when we went away from them. The tops of the ships/objects always appeared first when we sailed towards them. I understand my experiences and observations are not proof of one theory or another but for me at least they point to earth being round..
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
Any comments ?
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will. Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.
Err...I have visited an astronomical observatory.
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing.
No, they won't.Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.I do not need to telephone someone 3000 miles away when people standing in the same room with obviously different perspectives will relate different accounts of what they see.
Errr, no...Err...I have visited an astronomical observatory.
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing.
No, they won't.Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.I do not need to telephone someone 3000 miles away when people standing in the same room with obviously different perspectives will relate different accounts of what they see.
Err yes they will. They will see the same projection.
In order for people on a flat earth to view different stars and bodies many miles apart but then see the same thing at the same latitude a set period later, those stars and bodies would all have to be on the same moving background a measurably short fixed distance away. They aren't.
Err...I have visited an astronomical observatory.
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing.
No, they won't.Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.I do not need to telephone someone 3000 miles away when people standing in the same room with obviously different perspectives will relate different accounts of what they see.
Err yes they will. They will see the same projection.
In order for people on a flat earth to view different stars and bodies many miles apart but then see the same thing at the same latitude a set period later, those stars and bodies would all have to be on the same moving background a measurably short fixed distance away. They aren't.
I could make this a poll.I have visited an astronomical observatory.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
Any comments ?
In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.
First good question you have ever posited here at the forum, made doubly good by the fact you did not type "US Navy," once in the OP.
I have not read the rest of the thread, but if this holds true throughout the thread there may be hope for you yet!
ETA: FFS, I have no freaking clue why I did not read the rest of thread first before even bothering to type the last sentence...
I could make this a poll.This is a big reason, among others for why I believe earth is round. I was Navy for four years and have sailed from Victoria Canada all the way down to Columbia South America. Every time the ship left port I was stationed on top of the bridge and watched all the ships and land and objects appear and disappear over the horizon. I have seen this through high powered optics also and just good binoculars. When I looked at the disappearing object with the binoculars and then with the high powered optics the image looked exactly the same as far as how high it was above the horizon, the optics image was just a bit clearer. I did not see any mirages, and the bottom of the ships/objects always disappeared when we went away from them. The tops of the ships/objects always appeared first when we sailed towards them. I understand my experiences and observations are not proof of one theory or another but for me at least they point to earth being round..
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever served on a Navy ship ?
Any comments ?
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
They asked what we think quite often about whatever subject or issues were present at the time. We were not told what to think but we were taught to think for ourselves and to be able to solve and work through problems as they happened. Yes there are times when orders/procedures must be followed but there are many others where sailors must be able to problem solve on the fly, especially when the ship is in the middle of nowhere and something bad happens.
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
Oh yes !
Quite a bit of my shipmates both in our own O-E Division and others.
And most of the Officers, from the Captain and the Chaplain on down to our own O-E Division Officer were interested and concerned in our well being.
They were always interested in our ideas on how to improve things.
But the words "flat earth" were not even heard of back in those days.
We didn't even know those words existed,
LOL
Sometimes there were short days and many more there were very long work days. Preparing for one of many inspections.. On deployment there are many times when you work every day for a month straight never even seeing land.
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
Oh yes !
Quite a bit of my shipmates both in our own O-E Division and others.
And most of the Officers, from the Captain and the Chaplain on down to our own O-E Division Officer were interested and concerned in our well being.
They were always interested in our ideas on how to improve things.
But the words "flat earth" were not even heard of back in those days.
We didn't even know those words existed,
LOL
So you got shorter work days and more shore time?
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
Oh yes !
Quite a bit of my shipmates both in our own O-E Division and others.
And most of the Officers, from the Captain and the Chaplain on down to our own O-E Division Officer were interested and concerned in our well being.
They were always interested in our ideas on how to improve things.
But the words "flat earth" were not even heard of back in those days.
We didn't even know those words existed,
LOL
So you got shorter work days and more shore time?
I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will. Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.And why would you claim that there is any "doctored telescope"?
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gary
08-08-2011, 04:56 PM
Hi Paul,
Your choice of selections is too small.
We estimate that world-wide there are in the order of 500,000 observing enthusiasts.
Best Regards
Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd. (http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au)
Perhaps some FE can correct me if I'm wrong, but these are what I think I have read on these forums.:I’m a flatearther and I’ve never been to an astronomical observatory, and I never will. Last thing I need is some doctored telescope or cheap cgi try to bamboozle me.And why would you claim that there is any "doctored telescope"?
Go and read something on astronomical telescopes and see that there is nothing to "doctor" in them in say: Bright Hub, Buying the Best Beginner Telescopes For Amateur Astronomers. (https://www.brighthub.com/science/space/articles/23587.aspx#imgn_2)Australia alone has some 30 amateur astronomical groups, so are you suggest that all these memners are either deluded or lying to the rest of the world.
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An accurate count of the amateur astronomers worldwide would be impossible but hers's one estimate:Quotegary
08-08-2011, 04:56 PM
Hi Paul,
Your choice of selections is too small.
We estimate that world-wide there are in the order of 500,000 observing enthusiasts.
Best Regards
Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd. (http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au)
But I'm amazed at the totally closed minds of so many flat-earthers. It seems that any contrary evidence is automatically declared fake (CGI) or fraudulent.
Have you ever been in any country's Navy ?
Have you ever been to sea on any kind of ship in any country ?
I was in great company in the USN and we all knew the earth was a globe.
When you were in the Navy, being told what to think and what to do and when to do it, did anyone actually ask you what you think or how you feel about anything?
Oh yes !
Quite a bit of my shipmates both in our own O-E Division and others.
And most of the Officers, from the Captain and the Chaplain on down to our own O-E Division Officer were interested and concerned in our well being.
They were always interested in our ideas on how to improve things.
But the words "flat earth" were not even heard of back in those days.
We didn't even know those words existed,
LOL
So you got shorter work days and more shore time?
The Earth is very special for sure, per those really in the know. Using the "P" word for Earth requires proof.
You don't need an observatory or, for that matter, a rocket to know the Earth is flat.
It seems whenever REers try to prove a claim they either enter an observatory or climb into a rocket and fly away.
Observations on Earth are the best way to substantiate claims of Earth shape.
RET has tried to use horizon observation to support its claim of Earth shape correctness. Unfortunately for them, FEers have made the same observations from all different heights via walking, autos, planes and trains. FEers have always made unbiased assessments based on these observations since there is not a "tug" away from reality.I suppose the US Navy lies to its recruits during training.
The reporting is thusly more accurate by FEers.
Long story short is that FEers are better at putting the real in reality.
As far as thickness of the atmoplane goes it is disruption in the atmoplanic thickness that can interfere with a telescope being used to rationalize longer range observation.
Also remember that ships' lookouts for centuries have used the visible horizon distance to estimate the range of other ships and land and that range varies in a fairly predictable way with eye height.I ;) vaguely remember that at least one member here has had some experience in the Navy ;).
The following is an extract from a USN Handbook :( ;D Sorry, but I guess they are part of the conspiracy! ;D)Quote from: Lookout Training Handbook NAVEDTRA 12968-DRANGE ESTIMATION
Question CIC concerning the radar ranges to visual contacts and compare them with your estimated range.
The only readily available reference point you can use when estimating ranges is the horizon. Knowing your height above the waterline will help you estimate ranges because the distance to the horizon varies with the height of the eye (Figure 5-5).At a height of 50 feet, for example, the distance to the horizon is about 16,000 yards (8 miles); at a height of 100 feet, the distance is about 23,000 yards (11-1/2 miles). Practice estimating ranges to other vessels in company whose distances are known or can be easily determined.Figure 5-5: Range – Height Table
RANGE TO HORIZON
::) Do you think those poor sailors got confused when they found that the Navy had lied to them? ::)
RET has tried to use horizon observation to support its claim of Earth shape correctness. Unfortunately for them, FEers have made the same observations from all different heights via walking, autos, planes and trains. FEers have always made unbiased assessments based on these observations since there is not a "tug" away from reality.
The reporting is thusly more accurate by FEers.
Long story short is that FEers are better at putting the real in reality.
As far as thickness of the atmoplane goes it is disruption in the atmoplanic thickness that can interfere with a telescope being used to rationalize longer range observation.
RET has tried to use horizon observation to support its claim of Earth shape correctness. Unfortunately for them, FEers have made the same observations from all different heights via walking, autos, planes and trains. FEers have always made unbiased assessments based on these observations since there is not a "tug" away from reality.I would really like some flat earth answers regarding the horizon.:
The reporting is thusly more accurate by FEers.
Long story short is that FEers are better at putting the real in reality.
As far as thickness of the atmoplane goes it is disruption in the atmoplanic thickness that can interfere with a telescope being used to rationalize longer range observation.