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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What would a flat earth engineering school look like?

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 01:44:41 AM »

So.  No serious attempt by another flat earthers on what inventions FE could make better?  Movement of telescopes tracking night time objects?  Over the horizon radar?  Radar horizon?  Line of sight communication and radio horizon?  The mechanisms to prevent gyroscopic drift from flying over a spherical earth that rotates. 

Just FE childish attempts to derail another thread. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: They've lied to the world about the stars

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 01:19:13 AM »

I’m not the one who thinks the issues brought up by others aren’t the issues at all, if you say they’re not!

You are the delusional POS that thinks they can make whatever allegation they want against someone and then demand other people prove that allegation wrong.
That is insanity.

Not only that, in order to try to try to prop up that baseless allegation of yours, you think you can blatantly about what they said, continually claiming they said something you have absolutely nothing to support.

You are a delusional, lying POS.

Again, the issue for this thread is YOUR CLAIM that they lied.

If you don't like that, then retract your claim, admit you are a lying POS that has continually lied to everyone every time you have claimed to have proven they lied.
Admit you have no basis to think they lied.

court

Again, if you want to compare this to a court, then YOU are the prosecution, who has brought an allegation of wrongdoing against these people.
These people are presumed to be innocent until you can support YOUR allegation.
The burden rests entirely upon YOU!

If I didn’t say anything about their claims, what would you think the issue is?

Again, just like in a court, if you didn't make your allegation against them, there wouldn't be an issue.

Again, you are like a completely insane prosecutor dragging an innocent person into court to demand they prove their innocence.
And now you want to act like there should still be an issue if you didn't take that crazy path and that that somehow shifts the burden of proof onto them.

It doesn't. It just shows utterly insane you are.

How can their claims not be the issue

Because you accused them of lying to prop up your delusional fantasy and complete inability to defend your claims.

This would be an investigation, brought up in a court of law

And again, YOU would be the completely insane prosecutor demanding the accused proves their innocence and claiming that because they are already dead and other people aren't proving their innocence that they must be guilty.

You are utterly insane if you think that would ever be allowed.


Again, the burden of proof is on you!

You made the claim, you made the allegation against them, so the burden is on YOU to prove it.

When the investigator or prosecutor tells the judge and the jury that their is no valid evidence for their claims

The defence objects, and the judge stops you; reminding you that we live in a system where the accused is presumed to be innocent until the prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty.
If your entire case rested upon the accused not providing evidence for their claims, then when you rest, the case is thrown out for failure to prosecute as you have failed to prosecute them as you have not tried proving their guilt.
It would also likely result in disciplinary action being taken against you.

while there is overwhelming evidence showing their claims are not true or valid at all

If that was the case, you would be presenting it, instead of doing whatever you can to explain why you don't need to,
You have NOTHING to prove they lied. And your attempts to portray them as liars has resulted in YOU lying.
And then fleeing from trivial questions that show you are a lying POS.

Same way anyone who makes a claim must have proof for it, or it’s not a valid claim at all!

So your claim, that they lied, is not valid at all.

For some strange reason, you seem to believe their claims

Again, I have never said that.
I have objected to YOUR CLAIMS!
Stop trying to shift the burden of proof.

But their claims have been supported by plenty of evidence which you just dismiss.

while you also claim that all our videos of Saturn are not, even one of them, considered as evidence

They are not able to support your claims, for reasons I have explained.

And you are unable to refute those reasons, and instead have repeatedly lied about those reasons.
Coming up with pure BS like newer things must be better, or smaller things must be better.
And I have explained why that BS is wrong.

We don’t even need evidence of being falsehoods

Yes you do.
If you want to claim they lied, you need to prove they lied. So yes, you do need evidence.

That their claims don’t have any evidence to support them

Except all the evidence you reject because it goes against your delusional fantasy.
Where you need to desperately accuse others of lying to try to prop up your baseless claims that they are lying.

These details, even if they did exist at all, could never at all be seen by them, because we cannot even see anything close to their claim of seeing multiple distinct belts at all

Again, looking through cheap crap does nothing to say they couldn't see that.
Even more so, this is just an admission by you that you are using cheap crap which can't tell.


Now care to answer the questions you were asked about the plane?
If not, do you want to save everyone the trouble and just admit you are a lying POS?

Can you see the plane without any distortion?
But you can make out features on it, such as the windows and the logo and the lights and engine and wings?
Can you tell that it has rotated?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 01:05:39 AM »

Hey! Why don't we make some game FE experiment, and ask RE ppl to perform it?

Because you are too busy making up strawmen and lying to people.

Because RE'ers are not interested in proving a theory that opposes their own belief systems?

This just shows a complete failure to understand what these experiments are doing.
They are experiments which allow you to distinguish between a flat Earth and a round Earth.
There are countless such experiments, and plenty of people have carried them out and found that Earth is round.

REers have no issues with performing reasonable experiments to determine the shape of Earth.
It is only FEers with those problems; people who will continually refuse to do experiments, as if they know their fantasy is wrong.

No, I'm calling them shills, just as I'd call you a shill for FE (not that I'd mind) if you suddenly tried to test an experiment to deliberately make it come out with FE results.

That clearly is not the case.
You are calling them shills because they honestly performed an experiment and admitted they were wrong.

This is a ball.

And notice how that in no way addresses the issue raised.

If we are seeing the horizon curve inward, rather than bulge outward

This in no way addresses the experiment.
More importantly you haven't even defined what you mean by that.

What doesn't make any sense is water at the horizon appearing to be flat on the outside of a ball.

In what way is it "appearing to be flat".
Again, you just spout vague crap with no explanation at all.
What we can clearly see from water is an object above water being viewed by an observer above water, with the water blocking the view.
The simplest and most logical and straightforward explanation of that is the water is round.
Your hatred of reality does not change that.

You have nothing to demonstrate Earth is flat. But there is plenty that shows Earth is round, including the simple facts you keep fleeing from.

Appealing to your wilful ignorance of the RE model will not magically make it wrong.

I realize, no, actually nothing's wrong.

No, you don't.
Instead you baselessly pretend nothing is wrong because you can't handle reality.
If you realised nothing is wrong, you would be able to explain it. And that would require actually addressing the issue.
You are yet to come close.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: They've lied to the world about the stars

« Last post by turbonium2 on Today at 12:37:24 AM »

Why would they ever need to specifically say it was motionless?

Because you are saying they did.
If they did not say it is motionless, and you then trying to appeal to a turbulent atmosphere to claim they lied about seeing it motionless it means YOU are lying.

Again, the only person you have proven is a liar in this thread is yourself.

They claimed to see a distinct feature fixed in position along one of five distinct belts on Saturn, and hours later saw it at other fixed positions on Saturn.

And they do not need to have seen it perfectly still without any atmospheric turbulence at all to do so.

Just like I can look at an object through a heat haze, and still make out features on it and tell if those features have a moved a significant amount.

You either need to be a complete imbecile incapable of pretty much any thought to believe such BS, or a pathetic lying POS with no integrity at all to say such obvious BS.

You are so pathetic in your desperate to pretend they lied that you spout such obvious BS. BS so obvious a child could explain why you are wrong.

Are you really trying to tell us that you that idiotic? Or are you just knowingly lying to everyone?


Again, you lying POS. Take a look at this:

Can you see the plane without any distortion? No.
But you can make out features on it, such as the windows and the logo and the lights and engine and wings?
Can you tell that it has rotated?

According to your complete absence of reason, if someone said they saw this plane taxi onto the runway and turn to line up with the runway and then take-off; then they must be a liar, because the heat haze is distorting the view because the said it was motionless (even though they actually didn't).
That is the level of dishonesty and stupidity you are appealing to.

Again, a child can see you are appealing to pure BS.

You have to prove they didn’t lie

No, I don't.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this same pathetic crap.
YOU claimed they lied, so the burden is on YOU to show they did.

Again, you are like a mad prosecutor dragging in an innocent person, accusing them of a crime and demanding they prove they are innocent.
If you truly think that is how that works, then you are insane.

I’m not the one who thinks the issues brought up by others aren’t the issues at all, if you say they’re not!

How can I say what I think of their claims, if their claims are not the issue here?

A view on their claims, such as my view on their claims as falsehoods or lies, doesn’t become the issue because you say it is, ignoring the actual issue I’ve brought up to you in the first place!

What do you think could be the issue brought up to a court or hearing or investigation of some type, if the issue is my view on the issue? That’s utter nonsense!

You can’t ignore their claims about Saturn which have no proof at all, that’s the issue brought up to a court for an investigation or review board, to assess its validity and merit or not be valid or legitimate claims of being true!

If I didn’t say anything about their claims, what would you think the issue is?

Do you think there’d be no issue I brought up?

How can their claims not be the issue I brought up, if I didn’t have a view on them after looking at all the evidence?

Our own views on issues don’t become the issues themselves, they are views ON issues, not transformed into the issues themselves!

This would be an investigation, brought up in a court of law, would be an investigation on whether or not their claims are valid and true, whether or not there is valid evidence to support their claims as valid and true, or any evidence that refutes their claims as valid and true.

What the investigators have found or not found as evidence is already been done before going into the court of investigation, that’s always the case!

It is only after the investigation of their claims is completely and thoroughly studied and taken into account, their claims about Saturn, made over 200 years ago, should be taken to a court of law for investigation of its validity and legitimacy.

When the investigator or prosecutor tells the judge and the jury that their is no valid evidence for their claims, while there is overwhelming evidence showing their claims are not true or valid at all, and says that evidence is proof of their claims as falsehoods, unless those who support their claims as true and valid can ever show any valid evidence to support their claims as valid and true…

In fact, if there was no evidence at all that shows their claims are not valid or true, it only matters that their claims have no valid evidence for being true, which rules them as not valid at all!

Same way anyone who makes a claim must have proof for it, or it’s not a valid claim at all!

For some strange reason, you seem to believe their claims of Saturn, made over 200 years ago, without any proof for them as true at all, over 200 years later on, don’t even need any proof for them being valid or true at all, while you also claim that all our videos of Saturn are not, even one of them, considered as evidence of some sort, because you think that saying they’re all not evidence makes them all not evidence, and you think we should believe your reason for not being evidence is true and valid on top of it all!

We don’t even need evidence of being falsehoods, though we do, which only confirms their claims are falsehoods.

That their claims don’t have any evidence to support them as valid or true is the first thing that rules them invalid and useless claims of crap, the residence showing them falsehoods confirms they are lies, no other conclusion to make but being lies.

Their biggest and most obvious error which made it look very legitimate to us, at the time, and still to most people today, are their descriptions of the details claimed to be seen by them!

These details, even if they did exist at all, could never at all be seen by them, because we cannot even see anything close to their claim of seeing multiple distinct belts at all, let alone any distinct feature on an edge of a belt, so they certainly didn’t see it either.

There’s no telescope ever built on Earth that would show their claims are true, which is why we will never see them on Saturn, they don’t exist at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?

« Last post by markjo on May 18, 2025, 05:47:17 PM »

Former President Joe Biden was diagnosed with an “aggressive form” of prostate cancer, according to a statement from his personal office Sunday, and it has spread to his bones.

“Last week, President Joe Biden was seen for a new finding of a prostate nodule after experiencing increasing urinary symptoms. On Friday, he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, characterized by a Gleason score of 9 (Grade Group 5) with metastasis to the bone,” the statement said.

It continued, “While this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone-sensitive which allows for effective management.”

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can the numbers game be pinned?

« Last post by Phases of Venus on May 18, 2025, 05:04:50 PM »

Incorrect.  I love all flat earthers

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Misunderstanding

« Last post by Smoke Machine on May 18, 2025, 04:03:11 PM »

Lordy Lord.

I thought the flat earth threads on this website were the most insane imaginable. How wrong was I? This thread is fruitier than a fruitcake.

There are no winners in religious debates on the meaning of doctrine. The number of ways religious doctrine can be interpreted is literally infinite.

What one person says is understanding, another says is misunderstanding.

But here's food for thought. Didnt Jesus say, "My father and I are one"?

That can be interpreted a number ways, can't it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A recent epigraph of Username

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on May 18, 2025, 03:33:25 PM »

Just as there is a appeal to tradition

Actually, the heliocentric solar system leads to new things like accelerometers so smart phones can use gravity to determine down.

While FE is pretty much useless.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on May 18, 2025, 02:36:58 PM »

Hey!

Boy Bulma. Another word salad by you that is just BS.

Bulma, you just make FE look stupid.

Now.  Draw the sun’s path on the picture for the equinox and show how for me in Ohio how the sun can stay the same apparent size throughout the day.  Rise due east and set due west.  And show how the sun can also rise due east and set due west for California, Hawaii, Japan, China, India, Russia, turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Great Britain.

FE is a crap show that can’t “solve” one problem without contradicting itself in several other areas.


Bulma, I just asked you a direct and simple question.  You can’t complete the task because it doesn’t work for a flat earth.  Everyone sees through your flack, and it’s just flack to cover FE fails to match reality. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by bulmabriefs144 on May 18, 2025, 02:34:27 PM »

Hey! Why don't we make some game FE experiment, and ask RE ppl to perform it?
Because RE'ers are not interested in proving a theory that opposes their own belief systems?
Just as the only "flat Earth" people who cooperated in TFE were worthless shills.
"FE is a cult, you're just calling them shills because they left you."
No, I'm calling them shills, just as I'd call you a shill for FE (not that I'd mind) if you suddenly tried to test an experiment to deliberately make it come out with FE results.

This is a ball.


DISCO LIVES!!!

And this is a bowl.


Let's discuss convex and concave.


If we are seeing the horizon curve inward, rather than bulge outward, we by definition do not have to prove his experiment.  Do you know why not? No, of course not, so let me explain it to you. To a Flat Earther, either a perfect level or slight concavity is acceptable. This is because of the nature of water. Water is level on a flat surface or inside a bowl.


Both of these are tolerable explanations for Earth's flatness. What doesn't make any sense is water at the horizon appearing to be flat on the outside of a ball. So when this silly old man says "something must be wrong!" and overreacts about it like the good little RE shill he is, and I look at it for like the seventeenth time, and I realize, no, actually nothing's wrong. Any curvature that he measured came out in favor of FE.

So I guess it's "(fake) Flat Earther accidentally proves the Earth is flat while accidentally proving the Earth is round," huh?
Thank you for making this debate so easy.