Explain this one

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Parsifal

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2009, 01:56:24 PM »
Steve, where's your proof that the ships did sink?

People saw them sinking.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2009, 01:59:50 PM »
Steve, where's your proof that the ships did sink?

People saw them sinking.

People also see the Sun sink.  Is this proof that the Sun sinks into the ocean as well?
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2009, 02:02:04 PM »
People also see the Sun sink.  Is this proof that the Sun sinks into the ocean as well?

No.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2009, 02:03:17 PM »
People also see the Sun sink.  Is this proof that the Sun sinks into the ocean as well?

No.
Why not?
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2009, 02:11:54 PM »
Why not?

Because the Sun is observed all over the world throughout various timezones (I have travelled through enough timezones myself that there will always be sunlight in at least one of them), and also because manufacturing a new Sun each day would be a lot more difficult than building a new ship. There is only one Sun, but there are thousands of boats in the world.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2009, 02:18:08 PM »
Why not?

Because the Sun is observed all over the world throughout various timezones (I have travelled through enough timezones myself that there will always be sunlight in at least one of them), and also because manufacturing a new Sun each day would be a lot more difficult than building a new ship. There is only one Sun, but there are thousands of boats in the world.

You can be seeing a different Sun in the different timezones.  Or maybe the Sun didn't sink the time you saw it just like the times when I've been on a boat it didn't sink.  You need a second observer to say the Sun doesn't sink and that second observer could be lying.

You're just assuming that manufacturing a new Sun would be difficult.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2009, 02:19:48 PM »
You can be seeing a different Sun in the different timezones.  Or maybe the Sun didn't sink the time you saw it just like the times when I've been on a boat it didn't sink.  You need a second observer to say the Sun doesn't sink and that second observer could be lying.

You're just assuming that manufacturing a new Sun would be difficult.

Admittedly, my view that the Sun does not sink into the water is - at least in part - based on faith, just as your view that boats don't always sink when they appear to is.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2009, 02:25:18 PM »
You can be seeing a different Sun in the different timezones.  Or maybe the Sun didn't sink the time you saw it just like the times when I've been on a boat it didn't sink.  You need a second observer to say the Sun doesn't sink and that second observer could be lying.

You're just assuming that manufacturing a new Sun would be difficult.

Admittedly, my view that the Sun does not sink into the water is - at least in part - based on faith, just as your view that boats don't always sink when they appear to is.
Can the discussion move on then with the assumption that boats aren't actually sinking into the water?

Also, I thought you were one of the originators of the Bendy Light Theory to explain the sinking ship.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #98 on: August 25, 2009, 02:26:38 PM »
Can the discussion move on then with the assumption that boats aren't actually sinking into the water?

If you want to draw conclusions using a baseless assumption, that's fine by me. Just don't expect anyone else to accept them.

Also, I thought you were one of the originators of the Bendy Light Theory to explain the sinking ship.

I was.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #99 on: August 25, 2009, 02:31:06 PM »
Can the discussion move on then with the assumption that boats aren't actually sinking into the water?

If you want to draw conclusions using a baseless assumption, that's fine by me. Just don't expect anyone else to accept them.

Also, I thought you were one of the originators of the Bendy Light Theory to explain the sinking ship.

I was.

I don't see how it is baseless, but I don't really think the point of this thread was to prove to you that not all ships sink, yet somehow that was allowed to become the point.
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« Reply #100 on: August 25, 2009, 03:05:37 PM »
Why not?

Because the Sun is observed all over the world throughout various timezones (I have travelled through enough timezones myself that there will always be sunlight in at least one of them), and also because manufacturing a new Sun each day would be a lot more difficult than building a new ship. There is only one Sun, but there are thousands of boats in the world.

Oh dear Steve, at this point you achieve true hypocrisy. I refer to your earlier putdown that you can't both be watching a ship sinking over the horizon and simultaneously aboard the ship. Using the exact same logic, you cannot be watching a sunset from one place whilst simultaneously remaining in an area where the sun is shining from above.
Now stop trolling and fop off.

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2009, 03:19:37 PM »
The Robosteve Algorithm

I have calculated the process Steve uses to answer all challenges:

1. Query challenging validity of FET is put forward.
2. Steve comes up with answer consistent with FET.
3. Is Steve's answer really unlikely or impractical to the
    point of extreme improbability?  NO: =====> Challenge is beaten or undecided. STOP
                                               YES:=====> Steve's answer is challenged, proceed
                                                                   to next step.
4. Steve provides another answer to back up his unlikely idea. Return to step 3.

Thus you can see that the only way out of this deadlock is for Steve to provide an answer that is not ludicrous. And this thread will continue forever.

Re: Explain this one
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2009, 04:14:08 PM »
Robsteve's ridiculous responses on this thread (as well as similar arguements by him on other threads) are yet another very convincing indication that this is mainly a joke site, not at all intended to be forum for serious discussion (at least not by his intention).  Unless he is totally incapable of rational thought, he must surely at least acknowlege that it is  extremely improbable that all the countless millions of ships that appear to sink as they travel beyond the horizon and reappear at their intended destinations in fact really do sink and are replaced by identical ships with identical crews and cargoes.  I don't believe for a microsecond that he actually thinks this is happening.

Re: Explain this one
« Reply #103 on: August 25, 2009, 04:25:04 PM »
What is your argument again?

That you can't prove the ships which were observed to have sunk didn't actually sink.

Wait a minute, I'm trying to get my head around all those defensive negatives... calculating... please wait...

OK, so your argument is that noone can prove a negative? Firstly this isn't an argument, simply some kind of statement of assumptions about what an opposing party can or can't do. Let's ignore that fuckwitted blunder for now.

Yes you can prove a negative when given the capability to prove it.

Prove the sun is yellow. Simple. Prove the sun isn't yellow. Also simple. It's called falsifiability.

So when you deny the ability of proof, and then stick a negative proof in there for a twist, that's when we get the shit I see smeared across this forum:

Prove there is no conspiracy
Prove there is no ice wall

etc etc... yawn yawn at the trolls.

Back to the ships. I imagine the crew would be mightily pissed off if every time they sailed out of harbor the ship sank.

Added: Did a search and found out you've pulled this yawnfest before.... eg...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=28953.msg696612#msg696612

You were laughed at then, You're being laughed at now. Hahahaha. Retard.

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #104 on: August 25, 2009, 05:15:57 PM »
Robsteve's ridiculous responses on this thread (as well as similar arguements by him on other threads) are yet another very convincing indication that this is mainly a joke site, not at all intended to be forum for serious discussion (at least not by his intention).


Is this all you post anymore? What the hell does Robosteve have to do with what this site is intended to be? Anybody can join. You said the exact same thing last week about someone who'd just registered and had only a handful of posts. You think this is a joke site. Fine, we hear you loud and clear. Now please stop going on about it, especially if you're going to continue basing this conclusion on the absurd line of reasoning that if someone joins this site (which anyone can join), and posts ideas they do not necessarily believe in, then the whole site is implicated by their actions.
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #105 on: August 25, 2009, 10:49:19 PM »
Oh dear Steve, at this point you achieve true hypocrisy. I refer to your earlier putdown that you can't both be watching a ship sinking over the horizon and simultaneously aboard the ship. Using the exact same logic, you cannot be watching a sunset from one place whilst simultaneously remaining in an area where the sun is shining from above.

But the Sun moves with very precise regularity, and I have personally observed it in various different timezones and noticed how its regularity is offset by some interval. The same cannot be said for boats.

Viking and makingsense, please do not flame me for my beliefs. I have calmly requested evidence for your side of the argument, and all you are doing is accusing me of being insincere. You tell me my argument is based around other people not being able to prove a negative, when you can't come up with a shred of evidence for your case. As I have said numerous times, there is plenty of evidence that the boats actually did sink, because people watched them sink. Where's your evidence to the contrary?
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« Reply #106 on: August 26, 2009, 02:31:38 AM »
Oh dear Steve, at this point you achieve true hypocrisy. I refer to your earlier putdown that you can't both be watching a ship sinking over the horizon and simultaneously aboard the ship. Using the exact same logic, you cannot be watching a sunset from one place whilst simultaneously remaining in an area where the sun is shining from above.

But the Sun moves with very precise regularity, and I have personally observed it in various different timezones and noticed how its regularity is offset by some interval. The same cannot be said for boats.

Viking and makingsense, please do not flame me for my beliefs. I have calmly requested evidence for your side of the argument, and all you are doing is accusing me of being insincere. You tell me my argument is based around other people not being able to prove a negative, when you can't come up with a shred of evidence for your case. As I have said numerous times, there is plenty of evidence that the boats actually did sink, because people watched them sink. Where's your evidence to the contrary?

I appreciate that you have addressed the quoted post to others but hey ho, it's a public forum.

The evidence to the contrary is in the lack of evidence to the contrary.

For some examples, the lack of:

Distress calls from the ships which are only a few miles from land,
Insurance claims for all of the ships that have been lost,
Grieving families of the crew members that have gone down with the ships,
Rescue vessel callouts for those crew that did not go down with the ships,
A shipbuilding boom to replace all of the ships that sunk,
Insurance claims for the cargo those ships were carrying,
Debris washed on shores from those ships that have sunk, which would include huge oil slicks.

I could go on but as you probably don't want to appear a total fool, I'll leave it at that.

Re: Explain this one
« Reply #107 on: August 26, 2009, 04:47:59 AM »
Robsteve's ridiculous responses on this thread (as well as similar arguements by him on other threads) are yet another very convincing indication that this is mainly a joke site, not at all intended to be forum for serious discussion (at least not by his intention).


Is this all you post anymore? What the hell does Robosteve have to do with what this site is intended to be? Anybody can join. You said the exact same thing last week about someone who'd just registered and had only a handful of posts. You think this is a joke site. Fine, we hear you loud and clear. Now please stop going on about it, especially if you're going to continue basing this conclusion on the absurd line of reasoning that if someone joins this site (which anyone can join), and posts ideas they do not necessarily believe in, then the whole site is implicated by their actions.


Hey Wilmore, why did you choose that post to reply to?  Why does Rational Viking seem to be bothering you so much?

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #108 on: August 26, 2009, 05:45:27 AM »
Hey Wilmore, why did you choose that post to reply to?  Why does Rational Viking seem to be bothering you so much?


He doesn't bother me, but it is simply a fact that he keeps posting this 'the site is a joke' statement, and based on the same absurd line of reasoning. If you don't believe me, here are a few other posts made in the last week or so:


http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=31405.msg776666#msg776666

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=31617.msg778469#msg778469

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=31487.msg773915#msg773915
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

Re: Explain this one
« Reply #109 on: August 26, 2009, 07:07:36 AM »
I saw the posts he made.  Ignoring him would be a better way to discourage him.

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #110 on: August 26, 2009, 03:17:31 PM »
how can i observer light rays?
With eyes.
Wow, no shit Sherlock. And here I was thinking you actually wanted a serious conversation.
I am dead serious. Or don't you have eyes? Laser light rays are quite well observable with eyes.

I can't both watch a ship appear to sink from the land and be on it to watch it not sink, which is what would be required to disprove my assertion that every ship that is observed to sink is actually sinking. I can only be in one place at a time.
Sure you can observe things in different places at same time. Video cameras are quite handy inventions. And we 21st century people can always upload things to the internet or use wifi for live feed. But I guess as you have stayed behind in the 19th century with Rowbotham then these technologies are not in your reach.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #111 on: August 27, 2009, 07:16:25 PM »
How come, when sailing, one sees the mast of a ship first when it first appears on the horizon? If the Earth were indeed flat, you would see the entire ship, not just the mast.  8)

http://sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm
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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #112 on: August 27, 2009, 10:20:23 PM »
How come, when sailing, one sees the mast of a ship first when it first appears on the horizon? If the Earth were indeed flat, you would see the entire ship, not just the mast.  8)

http://sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

Yeah yeah all those hand drawn pictures of not curvaturing earth is proof?
If there would someone draw what shape of earth has he seen on the  plane you will be all laughing at him !

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Re: Explain this one
« Reply #113 on: August 27, 2009, 11:55:46 PM »
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My argument is that the ships which appear to sink are actually sinking. I have yet to be proven wrong.
Now, I know you don't seriously believe this, but it's not a very good argument.

One:  I've seen both family and friends go off on boats.  Those sink into the horizon.  My family and friends returned, and they tell me all about their boat ride there.  The boat didn't sink.

Two:  I've observed boats coming towards me.  I guess those are actually ghost ships that come up from the bottom of the sea with living people on them.  Okay.
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