South Africa

They didn't dominate the slave trade numerically. I've never claimed that and you've torn that strawman to bits, there's no point attacking it further.

As a group they were over-represented in terms of slave ownership percentage.

See.
40% > 16%
75% > 31%
2+2=4

They didn't dominate the slave trade numerically. I've never claimed that and you've torn that strawman to bits, there's no point attacking it further.

As a group they were over-represented in terms of slave ownership percentage.

That was fun,  we must do it again sometime,  got any more easily debunked anti-semitic crap?

At this point I'd expect at least one person to point out that 40% really is larger than 16% but alas.

I miss Bhs so much already.



You guys figure it out in your heads, don't need to say it aloud and be judged, which is a larger percentage, 16% or 40%?

It's too tricky for Rayzor, maybe you guys can figure it out?

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As a group they were over-represented in terms of slave ownership percentage.

That was fun.

Is this you admitting the hard data is actually hard data?

I honestly didn't think you were allowed to.

Edit.

Quote from: disputeone on March 19, 2018, 04:33:38 AM

Yes numerically Jews didn't own a majority of slaves. Percentage wise they were over represented.

Not true.   

You're flip flopping worse than an Australian politician.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on March 18, 2018, 12:50:53 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on March 17, 2018, 07:40:02 PM

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:21:52 PM

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

So far you've just made assertions.  Unless I've missed it you have not actually backed it up by any valid source.

Hey, he listed 12 ship names that were apparently owned by jews, what more do you want?

As always when comparing a group of 10 and a group of 100 000 the larger number doesn't always represent a larger percentage.

Again, what is your source for these numbers?

Here.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/

The 1.6% of total slave owners comes from the 1860 census. If you want to only use the confederate states the percentage is 31% Rayzor posted a good infograph / meme that comes to 31%

Here.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/

Thanks for the source.  I'm not seeing how this supports your claim that all of the largest slave owners were Jewish.

The ones that made the most profit of it were.

Rothschild
Rockefeller

Echo.

I'm not saying we should demonize all Jews for the slave trade, not at all, it should go without saying that we also shouldn't demonise all white Europeans.

The ones that made the most profit of it were.

Rothschild
Rockefeller

Echo.

I'm not saying we should demonize all Jews for the slave trade, not at all, it should go without saying that we also shouldn't demonise all white Europeans.

No we shouldn't demonize all white Europeans at all.
But you still have not supported your claim that all the largest slave owners were Jewish.  You named Rockefellers but they aren't Jewish so I'm not sure what your point was.

Why are you putting words in my mouth duck?

The largest profit takers. You're destroying your strawman, bravo.

I was unaware the Rockefellers publicly denied their ancestry. They are German  Ashkenazi Jews.

If wikipedia says they are not then there's no point arguing it.

The ones that made the most profit of it were.

Rothschild
Rockefeller

Evidence?  Though I'm not sure why I bother asking.  Presumably I'll get a meme that literally writes itself.  Presumably via some arcane sorcery.

I'm looking forward to the Rockefeller one.  John D. Rockefeller was 24 years old when slavery was made illegal - he owned a small business, and had worked before that as an assistant bookkeeper.   He was also an abolitionist who sent money to the Union cause and voted for Lincoln.

At what point did he "make the most profit" from slavery?  Do tell.   

The Rothschild's have recently apologised for their indirect involvement in the slave trade - they apparently allowed slaves to be used as collateral in deals.  Again, I can't see any evidence of them being major players..

Why are you putting words in my mouth duck?

The largest profit takers. You're destroying your strawman, bravo.

I was unaware the Rockefellers publicly denied their ancestry. They are German  Ashkenazi Jews.

If wikipedia says they are not then there's no point arguing it.

If you are talking to me, I'm not putting words in your mouth.  You said all of the largest slave owners, financiers, etc in the slave trade were Jewish.
There is no evidence the rockefellers are Jewish.  The most I could find was that a cousin of John Rockefeller may have married a Jewish woman.

There is no evidence the rockefellers are Jewish. 

Or had any involvement in the slave trade.  Apart from that d1 is as on the money as ever.

Quote from: Badxtoss on March 19, 2018, 07:39:38 AM

There is no evidence the rockefellers are Jewish. 

Or had any involvement in the slave trade.  Apart from that d1 is as on the money as ever.

Yeah, I can't really figure out what his point is.

Calling yourself a christian doesn't change your ethnicity.

If I became a Muslim it wouldn't make me an Arab.

My point is that Jewish Americans were over represented in the slave trade.

My evidence is that 1.6% is a smaller percentage than 40%.

Please debunk my assertion that 1.6% is a smaller percentage than 40% at your leisure.

Should be easy.

1.6% of 100 = 1.6
40% of 100 = 40

Damn, ok but I'm sure you guys can debunk basic arithmetic.

Lol.

Please don't stop this is too funny.

Show us all how 1.6% is actually a larger percentage than 40%.

Go on then, do your work.

This is just too good. The cognitive dissonance levels most of you are working under must be crippling even in your daily lives.

So, you going to explain how you know the abolitionist Methodist Rockefella is really Jewish and made the biggest profits from slavery?

Consider that claim retracted then. I don't have a article from CNN stating the Rockefellers ethnicity.

But again, religion and ethnicity aren't the same thing. They are actually different things.

You need to show how and why 1.6% is actually a larger percentage than 40%.

Go on, I'm quite sure you can, you seem so confident.

Consider that claim retracted then. I don't have a article from CNN stating the Rockefellers ethnicity.

You don't have anything at all, despite desperate googling.  How about the claim that he was one of the biggest profit makers from slavery?  I'd really love to see your justification for that.

But again, religion and ethnicity aren't the same thing. They are actually different things.

Religion is, of course, a significant part of ethnicity.  Though I've no idea why this is relevant - there doesn't seem to be any evidence that Rockefella's ancestors were Jewish, and he was certainly not Jewish.

You need to show how and why 1.6% is actually a larger percentage than 40%.

It's just a meme you keep parroting, the very article you linked to support it shows that although Jewish families were more likely than non-Jewish families to own a slave, they didn't own many.  All the largest slave owners were non-Jewish and the slave trade was dominated by non-Jews.

Lets remember that your original claim was that the Jews dominated the slave trade, something you've now debunked yourself, and so you shift the goalposts.

Not according to scholars that have closely examined the question. Several studies of the Jewish role in the slave trade were conducted in the 1990s. One of them, by John Jay’s Faber, compared available data on Jewish slave ownership and trading activity in British territories in the 18th century to that of the wider population. Faber concludes that the claim of Jewish domination is false and that the Jewish role in slavery was “exceedingly limited.” According to Faber, British Jews were always in the minority of investors in slaving operations  and were not known to have been among the primary owners of slave fleets. Faber found that, with few exceptions, Jews were minor figures in brokering the sale of slaves upon their arrival in the Americas, and given the urban-dwelling propensity of most American Jews, few accumulated large rural properties and plantations where slave labor was most concentrated. According to Faber, Jews were more likely than non-Jews to own slaves, but on average they owned fewer of them.

Why are you so obsessed with Jews and the slave trade anyway?  Do you have a point?

My point is that Jewish Americans were over represented in the slave trade.

My evidence is that 1.6% is a smaller percentage than 40%.

Jews were more likely than non-Jews to own slaves.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overrepresented

We're done here.

You could just say that it's inconsequential that Jewish Americans were twenty five times more likely to own a slave than an average American and I would agree with you.

What's funny is that you are all trying to debunk 2+2=4 by saying that 2+2=5 if it suits the narrative.

Don't let me stop you, please continue.

We're done here.

With what?

This was your original statement:

All the largest financers, profit takers and slave ship owners in the trans atlantic slave trade were ethnically Jewish.

Which you've completely failed to support - in fact you completely debunked it with your own links.  All you've done is constantly shift the goalposts around.

Presumably you're retracting your statements concerning the Rockefellas and the Rothchilds?  You seem to be avoiding that one.

Calling yourself a christian doesn't change your ethnicity.

If I became a Muslim it wouldn't make me an Arab.

My point is that Jewish Americans were over represented in the slave trade.

My evidence is that 1.6% is a smaller percentage than 40%.

Please debunk my assertion that 1.6% is a smaller percentage than 40% at your leisure.

Should be easy.

1.6% of 100 = 1.6
40% of 100 = 40

Damn, ok but I'm sure you guys can debunk basic arithmetic.

Lol.

No I'm debunking your assertions that all the largest slave owners were Jewish and that the Rockefellers were Jewish and a major player in the slave trade.

If you guys hadn't realised.

The bankers make a profit on all trade in the country they own the banks in.

Therefore the banking families made the largest profit of slavery. Whether or not wikipedia admits it.

Presumably you're retracting your statements concerning the Rockefellas.

Learn to read botty boy.

Consider that claim retracted then. I don't have a article from CNN stating the Rockefellers ethnicity.

Take the wins you can grasp on to lol.

The bankers make a profit on all trade in the country they own the banks in.

Banks make money by lending money at a higher interest rate than they pay for the money.
This process is called a loan. Business can be transacted without borrowing money from a bank.

Therefor, bankers do not make money on all trade in the country they own the banks in.

I wonder who gave out the loans for the slave ships and trade.

Couldn't have been the bankers.

Wait.

You are most likely confusing venture capital with banks.

If you guys hadn't realised.

The bankers make a profit on all trade in the country they own the banks in.

Therefore the banking families made the largest profit of slavery. Whether or not wikipedia admits it.

Doesn't address my points at all.