South Africa

Are jews over represented in international finance?

Is it anti-semitic to ask?

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:25:44 PM

Name Of Slave Ships And Their Owners:
 
The 'Abigail-Caracoa' - Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Crown
Isaac Levy and Nathan Simpson
 
The'Nassau' - Moses Levy
 
The 'Four Sisters' - Moses Levy
 
The 'Anne' & The 'Eliza' - Justus Bosch and John Abrams
 
The 'Prudent Betty' - Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix
 
The 'Hester' - Mordecai and David Gomez
 
The 'Elizabeth' - Mordecai and David Gomez
 
The 'Antigua' - Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell
 
The 'Betsy' - Wm. De Woolf
 
The 'Polly' - James De Woolf
 
The 'White Horse' - Jan de Sweevts
 
The 'Expedition' - John and Jacob Roosevelt
 
The 'Charlotte' - Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks
 
The 'Franks' - Moses and Sam Levy

A list of ships and owners is not a citation,  if you want to make a claim you need documentation, 

In any event you made a few mistakes,  the De Woolf's are episcopalian not Jewish,  not only that but the Atlantic slave trade involved around 16,000 ships,  I'd hardly regard a dozen ships as a significant number.

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:21:52 PM

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

So far you've just made assertions.  Unless I've missed it you have not actually backed it up by any valid source.

Quote from: Badxtoss on March 17, 2018, 07:40:02 PM

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:21:52 PM

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

So far you've just made assertions.  Unless I've missed it you have not actually backed it up by any valid source.

Hey, he listed 12 ship names that were apparently owned by jews, what more do you want?

Always suspicious when somebody doesn't for their data - in this case he just it was just copy pasta from the Institute for Contemporary Islamic Thought.   

https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/who-brought-slaves-to-america

This is apparently lifted from some work called "Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America" - which is online, but good luck searching it.  If these were the only Jewish owned ships they could find (if they in fact were) then that would tend to suggest the Jews weren't over-represented.

Anyway, we've been over all this already - he's just parroting a Nation of Islam meme - there's no academic support for it whatsoever.

Been reading the news and thinking. South Africa is currently really close to a national socialist government there's only a few elements missing.

I don't think anyone's said it yet so figured I would.

It can't be marxist socialism because the redistribution of wealth is focussed on race and not class.

Quote from: Badxtoss on March 17, 2018, 07:40:02 PM

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:21:52 PM

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

So far you've just made assertions.  Unless I've missed it you have not actually backed it up by any valid source.

Hey, he listed 12 ship names that were apparently owned by jews, what more do you want?

Figuring out what proportion of Southern families owned slaves is really quite simple. The University of Virginia has a Historical Census Browser that allows one to search, map, and calculate figures associated with various censuses (the calculator for the Census of 1860 is here). One Thing after Another has run the figures, but for convenience’s sake, we refer you to Andrew Hall at Dead Confederates: A Civil War Era Blog who has presented them in a tidy table. As you can see, about 31% of the families in the states that seceded owned slaves. The range runs from 49% of families in Mississippi to 20% of families in Arkansas. In some ways, these figures don’t even begin to capture slavery’s centrality to Southern social and economic life. Let us push to the side that slaves were responsible for producing the South’s main cash crops or that slaveowners often rented out slaves to those who did not have them. Let us just focus on the fact that almost a third of families in the Confederate states owned slaves. That figure gives one a much better sense of slavery’s gravity than “1.6%.”

Also please cite sources for your pasta.

The following is a tale of memes, bad history, poor logic, and misleading statistics. It is also a story about how information on Facebook can come unmoored from its original context and find itself applied in startlingly different directions. Above all, this narrative has to do with the way in which parts of the internet have helped perpetuate a culture of partisanship and intellectual sloppiness.

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

Appeals to emotion don't debunk hard data.

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

Now, where were we?

Ah yes.

Quote from: disputeone on March 16, 2018, 10:21:52 PM

I have factual citations, you call me an anti semite and make an appeal to emotion.

A stalemate it seems...

Right were we left it.

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

misleading statistics.

>WHY DON'T THE NUMBERS SUPPORT MY NARRATIVE!!!

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

Is the data correct?
Or incorrect?

Quote from: hard data

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

The meme above is not particularly special. In fact, it is exemplary. It is a product of Facebook. It seems incisive, it sounds authoritative, and it appears relevant. It even cites a source in an official-sounding way. Only the dullest or most uninformed person could fail to catch the progressive message that makes an analogy between the 1.6% of 1860 and those who have been labeled the “1%” today. The rich, so the message seems to say, used us for their own purposes then in just the way that they use us now. Yet, like much else on Facebook, this meme is manipulative when it isn’t misleading. Its facts are wrong, its reasoning is faulty, and the analogy it makes is specious. And yet, when you look at the public’s reaction to this meme, you find that nobody is critical or educated enough to call it out.

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

So the data is correct.

Quote from: hard data

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

Thanks that was like pulling teeth.

Quote from: disputeone on March 19, 2018, 02:19:48 AM

So the data is correct.

Quote from: hard data

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

Thanks that was like pulling teeth.

Your understanding of the data is flawed.

So the data is correct, your claim is that my undertanding of the data is flawed? That's alright but it doesn't debunk the hard data.

It doesn't support your conclusions.

1.6% of Americans in total owned slaves.
31% of Americans in confederate states owned slaves.
40% of Jewish Americans owned slaves.

Is 40% a larger percentage than 31% Rayzor?

Quote from: disputeone on March 19, 2018, 02:43:45 AM

Is 40% a larger percentage than 31% Rayzor?

It depends.

Quote from: Rayzor on March 19, 2018, 02:44:36 AM

Quote from: disputeone on March 19, 2018, 02:43:45 AM

Is 40% a larger percentage than 31% Rayzor?

It depends.

The memes write themselves.

The sources and citations are at the bottom of the picture.