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Flat Earth General / Re: Pilots

« on: March 29, 2017, 10:15:29 AM »

Even if nothing was corrected for, automatically or manually, wouldn't natural lift just keep it at a certain height?

Yes.

Is this true? With a blindfolded and earplugged pilot, no autopilot or copilot, and no radio, is there no substantial risk of the plane smashing into the ground when the pilot thinks they're cruising?

Aeroperu flight 603 had essentially the situation you are describing and it crashed into the ocean killing all crew and passengers.

They were flying in the dark over the ocean, they could not see the horizon or the ground. Their altimeter malfunctioned, due to a piece of tape left over part of the pitot-static system, leaving them unable to determine how high they were. They eventually lost altitude until they impacted the ocean.

This was with them having radio contact with the ground.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Concentrations of Space Realized

« on: March 21, 2017, 01:10:24 PM »

I deny DET has scientific merit.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Foucault Falacy

« on: March 21, 2017, 04:13:43 AM »

There are plenty of videos showing this and anyone with 40 bucks can test it themselves.

ETA: btw, lol at your linked video. He wasn't even using the gyroscope properly. He had it hooked up to the motor the whole time but you're supposed to take the motor off once the gyroscope is spun up. And you can see, at around 10:35 in the video for example, that the motor's wire is applying a torque to the spin axis. In that same video he notes that the gyroscope's own manufacturer stated that it isn't sensitive enough to detect what he is trying to measure.

Oh, your suppose to take the motor off once the gyroscope is spun up?  Who made that rule and why.

10:35 in the video is after his experiement, when he is just rambling on about things.

He does note the manufacturer states it is not sensitive enough to measure exactly what he is trying to measure. Funny why they would make that statement isn't it. 

It's also funny, that he's still able to do it, and anyone with 40 bucks can do it as well.

Quit showing your ignorance of how gyroscopes work. If you are constantly spinning the gyroscope with the motor then the motor is going to affect the spin, it is going to be applying an outside force to the system. This is exactly why you can't use a $40 gyroscope if measure the spin of the Earth, it will only spin for what, like 15 minutes with out assistance? 15 minutes is around 1 degree of rotation.

The manufacturer says it is not sensitive to measure the rotation because they know how gyroscopes work. You do not. Take their word for it.

Your entire argument is that by using a cheap measuring tool incorrectly you are getting incorrect readings. You are right.

Stinkey, do you think airplanes spin up their gyros then disconnect the motor. Or do the motors keep the gyro spinning during the flight?

Airplane gyroscopes aren't designed so that there is a wire directly attaching the rotor to some outside point. They are usually vacuum/air pressure-powered or designed to be like a motor where the rotor of the gyroscope is also the rotor of the motor.

^ This.

Plus the fact that even aircraft gyros are only accurate for a short period of time. The directional gyro needs to be periodically slaved to the flux valve during flight to adjust for real drift, around every 15 minutes or so. They also normally have way off adjusting for Earth's rotation based on latitude, but it can normally only be set before flight. And the DGs in an aircraft aren't $40 toys you can buy off the internet.

Take the information how ever you want, I am an avionics technician so I know a little bit about what I am talking about. The company I work for now doesn't build any navigational systems so I haven't dealt with gyros in some time, but I would imagine I have more real world experience with aircraft gyros than you do shloppy.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Foucault Falacy

« on: March 20, 2017, 06:49:54 PM »

There are plenty of videos showing this and anyone with 40 bucks can test it themselves.

ETA: btw, lol at your linked video. He wasn't even using the gyroscope properly. He had it hooked up to the motor the whole time but you're supposed to take the motor off once the gyroscope is spun up. And you can see, at around 10:35 in the video for example, that the motor's wire is applying a torque to the spin axis. In that same video he notes that the gyroscope's own manufacturer stated that it isn't sensitive enough to detect what he is trying to measure.

Oh, your suppose to take the motor off once the gyroscope is spun up?  Who made that rule and why.

10:35 in the video is after his experiement, when he is just rambling on about things.

He does note the manufacturer states it is not sensitive enough to measure exactly what he is trying to measure. Funny why they would make that statement isn't it. 

It's also funny, that he's still able to do it, and anyone with 40 bucks can do it as well.

Quit showing your ignorance of how gyroscopes work. If you are constantly spinning the gyroscope with the motor then the motor is going to affect the spin, it is going to be applying an outside force to the system. This is exactly why you can't use a $40 gyroscope if measure the spin of the Earth, it will only spin for what, like 15 minutes with out assistance? 15 minutes is around 1 degree of rotation.

The manufacturer says it is not sensitive to measure the rotation because they know how gyroscopes work. You do not. Take their word for it.

Your entire argument is that by using a cheap measuring tool incorrectly you are getting incorrect readings. You are right.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Fake falling down attemps :)

« on: January 01, 2017, 07:16:45 AM »

Hold on everyone. I have searched the internet and found what I think to be a 'fake' picture. I wasn't sure they existed on the internet so let me see what you all think. This might just be the final nail in the flat Earth coffin.



Would three elephant be able to hold the Earth? Wouldn't it require 4 or more?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: GPS

« on: January 01, 2017, 07:11:10 AM »

Haven't you guys ever seen a video an African safari, with the Elephants and Giraffes. You also see the giant antenna towers in the back ground with electric lines run for hundreds of miles to power them right?

Or the videos of the Sahara desert, with nothing for miles and miles but sand dunes except for the GPS towers and power lines. It is really quite beautiful.

Or even the remote towns in Alaska, the ones with no roads that connect them to other towns. The economy is booming with all the tower maintenance jobs requiring the workers to ride horses up into the mountains.

We know GPS works in all these locations so that also means there must be towers in these locations right?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Sun and Planets etc.

« on: December 28, 2016, 08:39:19 PM »

                                                                                                                                               I am uneducated?

Clearly.

LMAO! Well I don't put much stock in what a dumb moose thinks. There is also a difference between education and intelligence. Did you stop learning after you left school? Clearly. Why? Because the education system doesn't teach people to think, it teaches them to be good slaves. May your chains rest lightly on your mind.

An educated person can make a reasonable argument for his point of view which others can follow. They will have facts and examples to back up the argument.

An intelligent person will realize they don't know enough about a topic to make a reasonable argument. They will then go and seek to be educated on the subject so that they can join in the conversation.

You are neither. You have buried your head in the sand and made no effort to become educated. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Osmosis

« on: October 28, 2016, 04:38:17 AM »

I am pretty sure he is saying that the atmosphere is the semi permeable barrier, but it would help if Jane would comment to clarify.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: GPS

« on: October 26, 2016, 01:13:55 PM »

GPS proves the earth is round with geometric precision. Can anyone disprove this fact?

A GPS like system could be implemented using ground based towers. The math would all be completely different, which is how we know that it isn't done that way.

If only a few people were allowed to view the source code from GPS receivers, you could argue that the software is doing some kind of extra mathematical conversion to make the coordinates appear to be on a round surface. But you can buy a raw GPS IC and program up your own GPS receiver and verify the earth is round.

The only thing I can say is that I have personally never seen the source code for a GPS receiver and I imagine most people on these forums haven't either. When I worked with Texas Instruments they had an evaluation kit for a GPS chip which I thought about buying for fun. I think they sold the chip line though.

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Flat Earth General / Re: About the Conspiracy...

« on: October 09, 2016, 06:57:27 PM »

Even if there were only one or two photos purporting to be from outer space (and I am old enough to remember such a time), the evidence for a round earth takes many forms and is persuasive.  The notion that the "secret" of the true shape of the planet is known only to a handful of astronauts, NASA bigshots, etc., means that many thousands of lesser scientists and engineers - working for NASA and other avionics institutions, scientific institutions, and so forth - are so easily deceived. Scientists are not that dumb, nor, as a rule, so corrupt as to be unanimously bribeable.

The folks would be quickly weeded out for for having flat beliefs. They would be laughed to ridicule and failed out of any related courses. Only someone with solid round beliefs can pass courses and be hired into NASA and or other avionic agencies or companies. If you are not brainwashed into round beliefs you have no chance of working in the field.

Flat Earther's should be failed out of any science degree.

It would be the same as if I were going through medical school convinced that humans have no internal organs (how many of us have seen our own heart?), or going through law school believing that the constitution doesn't apply if you don't accept it. I would fail out and be labeled the moron that I am.

Just because you believe something does not mean that others have to accept your belief as valid.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A new discovery : Back side of antennas gathering the waves, as front

« on: October 05, 2016, 01:13:25 PM »

I just got rid of directv and went back to using an OTA antenna. I WISH IT PICKED UP FROM ALL SIDES 

Also I wish I had checked eBay before I bought this one. I need more POWER.

The trick is you need to overclock your house.

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/08/house.html

The power company is conspiring to keep us in the dark ages with a pathetic 60hz power source.

I'm gonna do it! I wonder if I can use parts from my old e machine.

There should be a jumper to control the front door bus speed, just be careful and be sure you have enough active cooling. You don't want to overheat the house, it can cause permanent damage.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Real London to Real Australia is too close than shown

« on: October 05, 2016, 01:09:04 PM »

This mistake caused by the route is unknown so pylots are going the way which everybody know well. Because it is possible to go out of the world by a bit mistake.

There is actually a course in flight school on how to avoid flying out of the world. You have discovered another branch of the conspiracy. Two more discoveries and you will disappear.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Upward acceleration debunked

« on: October 05, 2016, 10:31:41 AM »

This thread...

Lava is an acid because it is hot? There are just so many things wrong with that statement.

And a rainbow has to do with the ph scale and temperature also? Keep this stuff coming, it is very amusing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why don't cell phones work on airplanes at 30,000 ft?

« on: September 08, 2016, 02:46:48 PM »

Pretty sure this is the dumbest thread yet.

Great job Intikam!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why don't GPS work on Sahara desert?

« on: September 08, 2016, 02:41:24 PM »

ADS-B uses GPS, it is not the same as GPS. GPS can be fully functional while out of range of ADS-B towers.

Seriously, learn something about a system before trying to claim everyone who uses it daily are liars.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How does GPS navigation work on a flat earth?

« on: September 08, 2016, 03:43:15 AM »

So give your GPS to pylots because airplanes can't use the GPS when they are on ocean and far to grounds and ground level radars.

I work in the aviation industry as a avionics technician, I can tell you with some certainty that GPS is the only navigation method that works over open ocan.

There are no VOR towers, no Non directional marker beacons in the midle of the ocean. Prior to GPS they had to use dead reckoning to cross the oceans.

Your flight you linked just flew in an area with no ads-b coverage, but many flights actual have ALAS or a satellite repeating system for ads-b and will report their information nearly anywhere.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I have proofs for my theories

« on: August 19, 2016, 01:09:24 PM »

My car is blue, therefore everything must be blue.

Makes sense as much sense as what you are saying.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain simultaneous sunlight in Wellington, NZ and Brasillia, Brasil

« on: August 18, 2016, 08:14:55 AM »

I've been nothing but polite in all conversations (maybe with the exception of some I've had with you today). Yes, I'm taking the piss by creating the DET burger and flat earth map with white walker visualisations but surely with a forum that's labelled "The Flat Earth Society", some humour is expected and probably appreciated. I apologise for getting the shits with you

Wait, you weren't serious about the burger?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Problem with Hurricanes

« on: August 18, 2016, 08:08:59 AM »

OK, I think I've solved this in favour of the DET model. I have an experiment to prove the existence of aether and how it affects everything.

Requirements

1. Chopsticks. It's important what chopsticks you use here. You need chopsticks made of wood, plastic ones don't react well with aether and don't provide consistent results.



2. Emperor Palpatine costume. If you don't have an Emperor Palpatine costume, you can use a black sheet. It's important to use a black sheet and not a white one because in some of my experiments, I've noticed that when I've used a white sheet, the aether can be affected by my Jedi 'force push' capabilities.



3. A regular sink



4. An apple



Experiment Instructions

1. Take the chopsticks out of their packet
2. Fill the sink with water to roughly half the sink's capacity
3. Put the Emperor Palpatine costume on.
4. Drop the apple into the sink, take note of its movement in the sink
5. Imagine your desired path of the apple in the water.
6. Put a chopstick in each hand and wave the chopsticks around the air while chanting "let the hate flow through you"
7. Is the apple moving in your desired path? If yes, then go to step 9. If no, go to step 8.
8. Use the chopstick to move the apple to the path you desired in step 5.
9. You have just observed aether and it's effects on objects.


Apply this to the DET map and model below and it makes sense. You can clearly see the white walkers using chopsticks which affirms their knowledge of, and use of aether to create opposite whirlpool effects in the southern and northern hemispheres.

JRowe - can you please confirm this?



EDIT: Before the RE'ers jump all over this post and point out that the white walker isn't wearing an Emperor Palpatine costume thereby making the hamburger DET model and hypothesis null and void... I admit that it doesn't appear that he is wearing an Emperor Palpatine costume, but this is clearly an optical illusion probably due to a mirage or a fish eye lens.

I will attempt this experiment when I get a chance. Maybe I have been wrong about Jrowe this whole time.

I still have questions about the burger. I don't see any pickles, are they like the sun and moon in the DET? Can you see them floating above the bun in different positions at different times of the day?

If Jrowe could clear this up that would be great.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain simultaneous sunlight in Wellington, NZ and Brasillia, Brasil

« on: August 16, 2016, 03:46:21 PM »

Yes, it was generous in favor of FE.

I'm not Flat Earther. Was just explaining from FE point of view.

Already wrote about some flaws of FE model mechanics.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=58309.msg1806454#msg1806454

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67332.msg1808966#msg1808966

Sorry, It's hard to keep track of who the RE'ers and FE'ers are - it seems only the RE'ers (and the DET guy) attempt to answer the difficult questions. I see from your threads.... no answer. I guess we'll pop this one in the 'FE impossible basket' along with your threads and the multitude of other threads with no logical, observational or evidence based answers from FE'ers.

I am not a flat Earther, but I can give you an approximation of a flat Earth answer.

Have you yourself stood in Brazil and New Zealand to observe the simultaneous sun light? If not then you are relying on meteorologists or some other scientific profession to get your data, all of which have a vested interest in maintaining the round Earth lie. The only reliable scientific instruments are your own two eyes.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Problem with Hurricanes

« on: August 16, 2016, 03:34:18 PM »

     My question to flat-earthers is simple, why do hurricanes exists? As a round-earther (like myself) I believe that hurricanes are due to the "Coriolis Effect".

OK. 
The fast-moving wind from the outer rim goes into the inner rim and since the sun turns fastest at the equator, this wind from the outer rim is turned to go clockwise.  When it is met with fast-moving air from the inner rim, both directions of wind are caught in a whirlwind and create a hurricance.  Basically, what I am saying is that hurricanes happen but they do not change the true form of the earth.

Thanks for giving it a shot. I really don't understand what you're saying. It would make it a lot easier for RE'ers to understand if you could draw your explanation of this phenomenon on a map. I've provided a FE map below which seems to be the most authoritative one I can find.

Feel free to use the white walkers in your explanation. Is it possible the white walkers have broken through the northern ice wall and they're blowing the atmosphere in different directions?

It'd be fantastic if we could see in a diagram of how this phenomenon occurs with the DET hamburger too - I've provided a template below.

I for one would also like these diagrams expanded on. Could Jrowe please explain how the wind circles in different directions at the buns?

Does the cheese have anything to do with aether?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: August 15, 2016, 02:38:09 PM »

I would think you would like paleontology, it is the study of digging up long dead things.

Like this thread.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Lets talk about the OBVIOUS Apollo 17 Photoshopped Picture of Earth from Moon

« on: August 12, 2016, 08:16:32 AM »

Oh. I can clear this up. What you're seeing is a jpeg compression artifact. Do this in Ms paint. Make a black background. Then put some text on it. Save it as a jpeg and you'll see the same effect.

If it's available try downloading a version of it with a lossless compression format.

Hope that helps.

^^^ Agreed. You shouldn't be looking to a .jpg format image for any type of clarity. It is a heavily compressed format.

When the file is created and saved, a compression level is selected, I have seen a scale from 1-10 used. Different jpegs will have different levels of compression and more or less artifacting.

And before you guys and try it, converting the jpegs to another format will not remove the artifacts.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Put in some Effort

« on: August 09, 2016, 02:32:41 PM »

Thank y'all for being some what nicer to jrowe...just remember when you guys get irritated what I said and what billnye said. No one could possibly know the trigger...maybe someone like Legba wouldn't care, but I think the majority of you have a conscious and would care.

Hopefully he has a caretaker/mental health professional that will notice his agitated state and get him back on his medicines or take his keyboard.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Only One

« on: August 08, 2016, 03:01:06 PM »

"Hold on to your sides, this is a hilarious read."
Resurrecting ancient threads which I have repeatedly decried since then, made when I was seriously ill. Classy move there. How scared are you, to resort to that?

Are you saying you are no longer seriously ill? Mental illness is never just cured, it is something you need to take care of for the rest of your life.

Get back on your meds.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is my model unclear?

« on: August 08, 2016, 08:10:15 AM »

So, may I assume that the model is indeed clear now?

After all, you're the ones that constantly complain it's unclear, so I'd assume you would be more than happy to provide examples. Instead you go off on irrelevant tangents that even a member of your own side corrects you on.

As such, you now have no excuses for not learning DET.

No your model is not clear. No matter how much you polish a turd, it will never be a diamond.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is my model unclear?

« on: August 06, 2016, 03:28:56 PM »

Has anyone asked for more clarification on Turing patterns?

And what effect they have on equilibrium when diffusion is involved?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Put in some Goddamn Effort

« on: August 05, 2016, 03:06:43 PM »

like others have said -the round earth model is complete and allows us to make accurate predictions of eclipses, tides, weather systems. Not to mention it also explains the movement of tectonic plates, the causes of volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.

There is nothing that cannot be explain in the model of the round earth.

The flat earth model fails to explain all of the above. This is why people ignore it - I sometimes ignore my daughters questions about santa claus, and run out of ideas when she asks me how he manages to get presents to the homeless when they don't have a house.  I treat some flat earth questions the same way.

I just wanted to say what jrowe is putting forth is dual earth model, not just a flat earth model. It is even more convoluted and crazy.

He is going to tell you to learn the model.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Put in some Goddamn Effort

« on: August 05, 2016, 02:40:50 PM »

The model follows Occam's Razor, and explicitly demonstrates this. And the model is readily available for anyone capable of clicking a link.

So, precisely as I predicted: lies and baseless insults. All round earthers do.

My insult was not baseless. Everyone who reads your theory has the same reaction.

Seek help or get back on your medication.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Put in some Goddamn Effort

« on: August 05, 2016, 01:27:18 PM »

Your theory is batshit crazy. It is not our fault that we don’t understand it, you would have to also be batshit crazy to understand it.