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Title: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Craig Tilston on August 03, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: sokarul on August 03, 2015, 01:50:05 PM
The sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it sets. This is only possible in a round earth.



Also topics shouldn't be simplified just because you don't understand. This can lead to problems.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Craig Tilston on August 03, 2015, 01:59:21 PM
Not really,

Im not asking to avoid facts just cause I'm not as smart, use them but explain them. I'll catch up quick!

And if not, I'm sure I can learn it lol
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Flopsinator on August 03, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Can you please say what the issues are?
Like what is the problem with the curvature?

And we have more than enough images of earth, though often not in its entirety because you would probably need a satellite in a very high orbit to make a picture of it and that would probably cost some money. And it seems quite useless because we can just map it and be done with it.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Flopsinator on August 03, 2015, 02:04:14 PM
The sun doesn't appear to get smaller as it sets. This is only possible in a round earth.

That and the sun should never intersect the horizon on a flat earth.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Misero on August 03, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
(http://2l5j2xfyavy1vtsq1smudbr95.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/iss1.jpg)
This was taken from earth, the iss. Right where NASA says it would be. And it looks just like it.
Also, imagine making CGI 24/7 real-time in correspondence with the current weather.
That's what NASA would have to do for just the ISS livestream.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: MikDaTv on August 03, 2015, 04:31:32 PM
The earth casts a round shadow on the moon.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 03, 2015, 04:36:50 PM
Or, so you are told.   ;)
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Jzhang17 on August 03, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
Bruh, if u don't believe the earth is flat, ur as dumb as Christopher Columbus.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Techros on August 03, 2015, 05:54:30 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
The earth is really, really big. That's why it's hard to see.
2) stars positioning
What about it?
3) flight routes
See previous.
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)
Look up "Earth".

Amongst others...
Please specify.

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.
Gravity is a theory. God is not. And a child would be easier than a flat-earther,due to lack of bias.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Rayzor on August 03, 2015, 09:18:25 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Welcome to the forum,    I can have a go at  questions 3 and 4,  but you are going to supply some more specifics if you want a discussion on questions 1 and 2.

Question 3.   Flight Times.
I assume you mean that flight times in the Southern Hemisphere  don't match up with the flat earth map?    This has been done to death on this forum,  and the conclusion is that the flights are real, but the maps are wrong. There is currently no accepted flat earth map.  The map that gets bandied about as the flat earth map, is nothing of the sort, it is the map of the GLOBE, projected onto a flat plane,  the azumithal equidistant projection.  And as a map it works for the nothern hemisphere,  but fails completely in the southern hemisphere.   
The "often promoted" map is the Gleason New Standard Map of the World http://maps.bpl.org/id/15442 (http://maps.bpl.org/id/15442) 
Another map that get's a bit of interest is the bipolar map, where antarctica is a continent,  not an imagined ice wall.
http://i.imgur.com/i9hKrVN.png (http://i.imgur.com/i9hKrVN.png)
The bipolar map gets a bit convoluted when it comes to sun path issues. 

Question 4.  Lack of full disk images.
This is just completely wrong,  someone is lying.   there are millions of full disk images of the earth from space,   there are  geostationary weather satellites taking full disk images in multiple wavelengths every 30 minutes or so,   that's  hundreds per day every day for years.   Current generation weather satellites being commissioned like the Japanese Himwari 6 take full colour,  full disk  images every 10  minutes,  there is an amazing time lapse covering a day's worth of images here. 

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/10/science/An-Image-of-Earth-Every-Ten-Minutes.html?_r=3 (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/10/science/An-Image-of-Earth-Every-Ten-Minutes.html?_r=3)

You can see the tilt of the earth's axis by the way the terminator flips between dawn and dusk,   and you can see the 24 hour daylight at the North Pole and 24 hour night at the South Pole.
Just in case you subscribe to the NASA fakes everything conspiracy, the Himawari 6,  is JMA (Japan Meterological Agency)   and JAXA,  (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency)  launched by a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Launch vehicle, from  Tanegashima Space Center   No NASA involved.

If you want to see some other geostationary weather satellite web sites, then  here are some more.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/goesfull.html (http://www.goes.noaa.gov/goesfull.html)
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/f_meteo.html (http://www.goes.noaa.gov/f_meteo.html)
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/ (http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/)
http://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/index.html (http://www.eumetsat.int/website/home/index.html)
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/f_ind.html (http://www.goes.noaa.gov/f_ind.html)

If you don't trust the official sites,  then here is a list of amateur weather satellite sites.
http://www.wxtoimg.com/gallery/ (http://www.wxtoimg.com/gallery/)

Or you can build your own receiver to get real-time weather satellite images.
http://www.hobbyspace.com/Radio/WeatherSatStation/intro.html (http://www.hobbyspace.com/Radio/WeatherSatStation/intro.html)

None of the millions of pictures have ever taken shown the earth to be flat.  ;D
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Pezevenk on August 04, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

1) There is observable curvature.
2) I don't know what you mean.
3) They actually disprove the flat earth theory.
4) There are. Loads.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Yendor on August 04, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Master_Evar on August 04, 2015, 03:18:11 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Yendor on August 04, 2015, 03:27:36 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.

See Craig how they want to attack you when you question their teachings. You have to watch out for that.  One minute they are friendly and the next minute they are attack dogs. Don't let them push you around, fight back.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Master_Evar on August 04, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.

See Craig how they want to attack you when you question their teachings. You have to watch out for that.  One minute they are friendly and the next minute they are attack dogs. Don't let them push you around, fight back.

Are you derailing because you can't do it and don't want to admit it, or because you are trolling a little and will post the expert CGI of flat earth in your next post?
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: tappet on August 04, 2015, 08:07:24 PM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.
I can not find where Yendor claimed to be an expert at CGI, could you point it out? The only one on here claiming to be an expert in CGI as far as I know is Mikeman.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 04, 2015, 09:06:42 PM
Using trigenometry it's rather easy to calculate horizon related things like horizon distance and how much the horizon is below eye level on a round Earth.  Even at 30,000 feet high the horizon is expected to be about 3 degrees below eye level which is easy to notice yet the curvature is hard to make out especially with tiny airplane windows.

I have calculated that space travel could not be faked because early space travel footage looks better then the best fake videos at the time by a huge margin and are perfectly consistent with images taken more recently.  Also, there are many photos of Earth as long as you dig around a bit.  Most are from close up like from the ISS, and non composite images need to be taken from a long distance away.  The only manned missions to get that far were the Apollo missions, but there are many space probes which have sent back photos of Earth from afar.

I could elaborate on this stuff if you want or provide more proof that Earth is round.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Rayzor on August 04, 2015, 09:17:44 PM
Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

Watching conspiracy videos doesn't constitute research,  it's just confirmation bias, when you've already been brainwashed by the conspiracy nutters.   Did you come across the web site http://www.clavius.org/ (http://www.clavius.org/) in your research?   If you want to believe that liar and con-man  Bart Sibrel over all the evidence to the contrary, then read the facts first.   http://www.clavius.org/bibfunny8.html (http://www.clavius.org/bibfunny8.html)

I have offered to debate the Apollo moon missions with you before, and you always run away and hide,  is that because you know that it's true, and there is no conspiracy?

Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: tappet on August 04, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

Watching conspiracy videos doesn't constitute research, 
Yendor, I tend to agree with ausGeof here. The videos contain so many anomalies it is obviously done on purpose so people think they have found something. Just double spin.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Master_Evar on August 05, 2015, 01:08:05 AM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.
I can not find where Yendor claimed to be an expert at CGI, could you point it out? The only one on here claiming to be an expert in CGI as far as I know is Mikeman.

All FEs claim that the pictures of earth are clearly CGI. Since it seems to be impossible for anyone but a FE to see this obvious CGI then you all have to be experts at CGI that can spot the CGI marks that no one else can.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: tappet on August 05, 2015, 01:49:47 AM
Ok, here we go...

I think there is something wrong with the globe model, I'm not saying it's flat, I'm not saying it's square or triangle or indeed that it's not a globe! But there are some major issues that have become apparent recently with the globe theory.

1) curvature
2) stars positioning
3) flight routes
4) lack of images of earth (especially in its entirety)

Amongst others...

In this thread I would like some FACTS (gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself) try to remember, a real genius can explain the complex to a child.

Like a child, explain it please lol I don't do ridiculous fractions and formulae.

Thanks,

Craig

Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

If you are such an expert at CGI and Photoshop please make a realistic believable non-CGI/Photoshop looking image of the flat earth that is gonna be soo much better than the amateur level of CGI/Photoshop of NASA pictures.
I can not find where Yendor claimed to be an expert at CGI, could you point it out? The only one on here claiming to be an expert in CGI as far as I know is Mikeman.

All FEs claim that the pictures of earth are clearly CGI. Since it seems to be impossible for anyone but a FE to see this obvious CGI then you all have to be experts at CGI that can spot the CGI marks that no one else can.
Wot?
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Yendor on August 05, 2015, 02:03:36 PM
Craig, go to YouTube and look at some videos of the Earth from the Apollo mission days. See if the Earth looks real to you. There is one video showing the astronauts putting a paper cut out of the Earth on the window of the space craft. Keep in mind these same people telling you all the facts about round Earth actually believes these image are real and the cut out of Earth is definitely real. Do a lot of research like I have and maybe it will clear some things up for you. Have fun and good luck to you!

Watching conspiracy videos doesn't constitute research,  it's just confirmation bias, when you've already been brainwashed by the conspiracy nutters.   Did you come across the web site http://www.clavius.org/ (http://www.clavius.org/) in your research?   If you want to believe that liar and con-man  Bart Sibrel over all the evidence to the contrary, then read the facts first.   http://www.clavius.org/bibfunny8.html (http://www.clavius.org/bibfunny8.html)

I have offered to debate the Apollo moon missions with you before, and you always run away and hide,  is that because you know that it's true, and there is no conspiracy?

I'm sorry Rayzor, but you must be talking about someone else because i've never run away from you on any subject.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Flopsinator on August 05, 2015, 02:11:21 PM
As we are already on the subject of space travel being fake, can someone tell me why on a flat earth it is impossible?
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Misero on August 05, 2015, 02:24:46 PM
Because the earth looks round from space.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: V on August 05, 2015, 02:51:48 PM
As we are already on the subject of space travel being fake, can someone tell me why on a flat earth it is impossible?
FE'ers will tell you; any spacecraft would come crashing down because earth is accelerating upwards.
Of course, that's nonsensical, because gravity exists.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Wadzworth929 on August 05, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
(gravity is a theory, just as much as God is so please keep that theology to yourself)
Despite the best efforts of gravity haters, we know that with 100% consistency, all objects near the Earth's surface will go down at 9.8 m/s^2 unless acted on by another force.

Call it a theory all you want (which is only because we still don't know how the force is transferred at a quantum level). Something is causing this consistent acceleration. Feel free to call it Bob if that makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Wadzworth929 on August 05, 2015, 05:03:37 PM
Or, so you are told.   ;)
About a year ago my wife and I stayed up late at a park to watch one of the blood red lunar eclipses that happened recently. I can personally attest to having seen a round shadow pass over the moon over a period of about five hours or so.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Flopsinator on August 05, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
As we are already on the subject of space travel being fake, can someone tell me why on a flat earth it is impossible?
FE'ers will tell you; any spacecraft would come crashing down because earth is accelerating upwards.
Of course, that's nonsensical, because gravity exists.

Gravity or not, you can still point a rocket to the the sky and as long as you have thrust (meaning fuel) you can still fly to the moon, or sun. but as soon as you loose that thrust (meaning out of fuel) you will come crashing down (unless you use a parachute). so you can theoretically still go up in space, take a couple of pictures, and safely land. Unless there is an invisible wall or something its all still possible.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: tappet on August 05, 2015, 11:08:43 PM
Or, so you are told.   ;)
About a year ago my wife and I stayed up late at a park to watch one of the blood red lunar eclipses that happened recently. I can personally attest to having seen a round shadow pass over the moon over a period of about five hours or so.
Shouldn't this be happening every month?
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 12:09:14 AM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: tappet on August 06, 2015, 02:07:12 AM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 06, 2015, 02:15:26 AM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?
No.
Title: Re: Disprove the flat earth theory to me...
Post by: Master_Evar on August 06, 2015, 03:18:37 AM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?

No, but it's orbit isn't perfectly aligned with earth's orbit. It is tilted. In a way you are right bout that, as that means that during one half of it's orbit it is south of earth's equator and the other half of it's orbit is north of earth's equator. There are only two points of moons orbit that align with earths orbit, which is why there can only happen twice a year, if the moon is at the right bit of it's orbit that is.
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Post by: tappet on August 06, 2015, 01:38:39 PM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?

No, but it's orbit isn't perfectly aligned with earth's orbit. It is tilted. In a way you are right bout that, as that means that during one half of it's orbit it is south of earth's equator and the other half of it's orbit is north of earth's equator. There are only two points of moons orbit that align with earths orbit, which is why there can only happen twice a year, if the moon is at the right bit of it's orbit that is.
Ok, then some times there is no full moon for a couple of months for a particular hemisphere as the moon is in the other one, and when it is central we get a lunar eclipse. Got it.
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Post by: Pezevenk on August 06, 2015, 01:41:23 PM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?

No, but it's orbit isn't perfectly aligned with earth's orbit. It is tilted. In a way you are right bout that, as that means that during one half of it's orbit it is south of earth's equator and the other half of it's orbit is north of earth's equator. There are only two points of moons orbit that align with earths orbit, which is why there can only happen twice a year, if the moon is at the right bit of it's orbit that is.
Ok, then some times there is no full moon for a couple of months for a particular hemisphere as the moon is in the other one, and when it is central we get a lunar eclipse. Got it.

No, that makes no sense. The moon simply doesn't get in front of the sun, it doesn't stop being full or something.
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Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
This diagram should help tappet understand eclipses

(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/imgsol/lunecl2.gif)
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Post by: Master_Evar on August 06, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
Shouldn't this be happening every month?

Yes it would, if the pane of the Moon's orbit was perfectly lined up with the plane of the ecliptic.  It's not though, so there are only two times of year when eclipses an happen and if an eclipse happens at all depends on the position of the Moonat the time.
Are you saying that the moon is sometimes up in the northern hemisphere and sometimes in the southern hemisphere?

No, but it's orbit isn't perfectly aligned with earth's orbit. It is tilted. In a way you are right bout that, as that means that during one half of it's orbit it is south of earth's equator and the other half of it's orbit is north of earth's equator. There are only two points of moons orbit that align with earths orbit, which is why there can only happen twice a year, if the moon is at the right bit of it's orbit that is.
Ok, then some times there is no full moon for a couple of months for a particular hemisphere as the moon is in the other one, and when it is central we get a lunar eclipse. Got it.
First: it takes one month (roughly) for the moon to make a full rotation along it's orbit so during the course of one month it's closer to both the nothern and the southern hemisphere.

Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
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Post by: tappet on August 06, 2015, 11:12:39 PM
This diagram should help tappet understand eclipses

(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/imgsol/lunecl2.gif)
Your cartoon agrees with what I said, only one hemisphere can have a full moon each month. But both can have a new moon each month.
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Post by: tappet on August 06, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.
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Post by: mikeman7918 on August 06, 2015, 11:35:41 PM
This diagram should help tappet understand eclipses

(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solar/imgsol/lunecl2.gif)
Your cartoon agrees with what I said, only one hemisphere can have a full moon each month. But both can have a new moon each month.

The only way the Moon would be hidden from a hemisphere is if it is directly above a pole.  The Moon is not in a polar orbit do that would never happen.  There are parts near the poles where the Moon is hidden for more then 24 hours, but not entire hemispheres.  Get the rusty gears in the spacial reasoning part of your brain grinding.
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Post by: tappet on August 07, 2015, 12:31:33 AM


The only way the Moon would be hidden from a hemisphere is if it is directly above a pole.  The Moon is not in a polar orbit do that would never happen.  There are parts near the poles where the Moon is hidden for more then 24 hours, but not entire hemispheres.  Get the rusty gears in the spacial reasoning part of your brain grinding.
Nobody said the moon would be hidden.
Why are you acting dumb? We are talking about the full moon. You can not stand in one hemisphere, the moon be in another hemisphere and see it as full.
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Post by: Master_Evar on August 07, 2015, 12:57:19 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Not enough spoon feeding I see...

The moon is roughly 380 kilometers away, and it's orbit is tilted roughly 5 degrees from being in perfect synch with earths orbit. This makes it so that if you drew an as short line between the moon and the earth as possible, on earth the line would start in the northen hemisphere during the half of moons orbit and in the southern hemisphere during the other half. The moon is still so far away that you can see the moon from both of them because the difference in distance is more or less neglectible, and the moon will not be obscured by the horizon unless you are at the poles. And because of the distance to the moon we don't change or perspective of the moon by close to anything, so we see the same part of the moon regardless of which hemisphere we are in.

Enough spoon feeding yet?
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Post by: Pezevenk on August 07, 2015, 01:47:52 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Why is it so hard to comprehend?? Are you telling me that if you are an ant standing on a ball, you won't be able to see something that is 10 meters away just because it's slightly below you?
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Post by: tappet on August 07, 2015, 02:01:42 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Why is it so hard to comprehend?? Are you telling me that if you are an ant standing on a ball, you won't be able to see something that is 10 meters away just because it's slightly below you?
If you insist on trolling at least make an effort, pathetic!
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Post by: tappet on August 07, 2015, 02:07:28 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Not enough spoon feeding I see...

The moon is roughly 380 kilometers away, and it's orbit is tilted roughly 5 degrees from being in perfect synch with earths orbit. This makes it so that if you drew an as short line between the moon and the earth as possible, on earth the line would start in the northen hemisphere during the half of moons orbit and in the southern hemisphere during the other half. The moon is still so far away that you can see the moon from both of them because the difference in distance is more or less neglectible, and the moon will not be obscured by the horizon unless you are at the poles. And because of the distance to the moon we don't change or perspective of the moon by close to anything, so we see the same part of the moon regardless of which hemisphere we are in.

Enough spoon feeding yet?
No not enough spoon feeding.
You may have to create a diagram as I am having trouble trying to comprehend what you are trying to describe.
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Post by: Master_Evar on August 07, 2015, 02:55:18 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Not enough spoon feeding I see...

The moon is roughly 380 kilometers away, and it's orbit is tilted roughly 5 degrees from being in perfect synch with earths orbit. This makes it so that if you drew an as short line between the moon and the earth as possible, on earth the line would start in the northen hemisphere during the half of moons orbit and in the southern hemisphere during the other half. The moon is still so far away that you can see the moon from both of them because the difference in distance is more or less neglectible, and the moon will not be obscured by the horizon unless you are at the poles. And because of the distance to the moon we don't change or perspective of the moon by close to anything, so we see the same part of the moon regardless of which hemisphere we are in.

Enough spoon feeding yet?
No not enough spoon feeding.
You may have to create a diagram as I am having trouble trying to comprehend what you are trying to describe.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Earth-Moon.png)

Hopefully this picture helps you see why you see the same part of the moon from both hemispheres.
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Post by: Pezevenk on August 07, 2015, 04:18:56 AM
Second: Closer, not in the hemispheres but closer to one of them. The moon is still far away from earth and can be viewed from any hemisphere.

Do you really need this amount of spoon feeding?
Now your just making shit up. If your standing in the northern hemisphere and the moon is in the southern hemisphere your telling me from earth every one will see a full moon. No chance, try again.
Spoon feeding? The only one that swallows here is you.

Why is it so hard to comprehend?? Are you telling me that if you are an ant standing on a ball, you won't be able to see something that is 10 meters away just because it's slightly below you?
If you insist on trolling at least make an effort, pathetic!

Ok. Look out of your window. How can you see anything that is lower than your window? Think about it. Think hard. Then you might be able to comprehend this very simple, basic fact.