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Flat Earth Debate / What is the FE explanation for the Joules experiment?
« on: January 24, 2008, 06:06:51 PM »
    A classic experiment that has been performed many times is the Joules paddle Wheel.


http://www.entropylaw.com/entropyenergy.html

If the source of the Energy is not Potential Gravitational Energy as it is in RE what is it to comply with the UA theory ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Moon Landings
« on: January 10, 2008, 02:10:16 PM »
If I was raking billions in on faking Moon landings etc I certainly would not have stopped "manned space flight " missions going to the Moon.
Why do you think NASA decided to stop giving us material to support the RE deception , at the same time cutting back the supposed budget to funnel into their nefarious pockets?

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Flat Earth Debate / Pics of the Year
« on: December 18, 2007, 07:23:59 PM »
I know they are fish eyes or fakes but interesting all the same ..

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/apoys2007.html

Sure spend a lot of time and effort keeping us in the dark.
(But we are on to them eh?)

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Flat Earth Debate / Doctored Photos
« on: November 14, 2007, 10:07:17 PM »
It's claimed that  NASA and who ever else is in on the conspiracy is doctoring all the space photos of Earth.
It would seem to me that the very consistency of the images would negate the "Doctoring " theory. If its been done for many years, by many different people , on many different different machines with different technology as it develops you would HAVE to have inconsistencies.
It would not be possible to get it the same every time .

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Flat Earth Debate / Moon's Eruption
« on: August 11, 2007, 04:00:17 PM »
Not sure if I ve put this in the right place .I know a true FEer will say its faked and the motive is to re-enforce the conspiracy .But there are a lot of regular posters here who would consider it cool...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tvashtarvideo.gif

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Flat Earth Q&A / Alternative Science
« on: July 08, 2007, 03:31:41 PM »
At

http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/06/19/the-alternative-science-respectability-checklist/#more-1275

Seems like a reasonable framework to check FE against?

1. Acquire basic competency in whatever field of science your discovery belongs to.
2. Understand, and make a good-faith effort to confront, the fundamental objections to your claims within established science.
3. Present your discovery in a way that is complete, transparent, and unambiguous.

Do the genuine FEers feel that they have met the above criteria , or do they believe that the above is not required?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Altitude
« on: June 28, 2007, 03:54:22 PM »
What is the FE's explanation of the fact that "weight" varies with altitude.?

Not whilst airborne but whilst on land.

From my understanding of FE theory if your mass is unchanged you should have the same weight irrespective of altitude.

GR demands that there should be a measurable and predicted variation in the Gravitational attraction. Whilst it could be said that the results fit predictions, or that the predictions are are based on the results it does not change the fact that the variations are there.

Riles

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Flat Earth Debate / Psuedoscience
« on: June 26, 2007, 02:19:02 AM »
This is quoted from http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=18984

By a man called James who  often posts there and used to many years ago at
"Self Service science" at http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/
Some of the points he raises are applicable and relevant to both RE and FE thought.

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"This thread is a brief summary of what I believe are the primary differences between Science and Pseudoscience. I hope that this will help people draw the line for themselves when they are confronted with new ideas on this forum and elsewhere.

First, a couple of brief definitions, courtesy of Michael Shermer:

Science: A set of methods designed to describe and interpret observed or inferred phenomena … aimed at building a testable body of knowledge open to rejection or confirmation.
Psuedoscience: Claims presented in such a way that they appear scientific even though they lack supporting evidence and plausibility.

Already, these definitions suggest some things to look for in evaluating claims. Scientific claims should be testable and open to rejection by contrary evidence. Pseudoscientific claims are made to appear scientific, often for ulterior motives such as monetary gain, political or ideological purposes, or to gain personal fame for their proponent(s).

Here are some things to ask when you come across a new idea:

1. Is it testable?

If an idea is claimed to be scientific, there should be a way to test the idea, either by making certain observations and gathering evidence or by performing certain experiments or other tests. Ideas which are not testable may actually be correct, but they are not scientific, because science aims to build a testable body of knowledge.

2. Is it repeatable/reliable?

If a scientific fact is true, it should remain true regardless of who tests it and when they test it. In contrast, pseudoscientific ideas are often unreliable. Psychic powers seldom work in the presence of skeptics, and they are never producible on demand. Moreover, only some people can use these powers, apparently. In contrast, given appropriate methods and equipment, anybody can verify the speed of light.

3. Is it supported by evidence?

All science is supported by evidence. In contrast, we are usually asked to accept pseudoscience on the basis of somebody's authority. Thus, psuedoscientists will often tell you how long they have spent working on their pet theory. They will tell you that many prominent people reject relativity, so it must be false. They will tell you that so many people have seen UFOs that they must exist, but when you ask them to show you convincing evidence of a UFO they cannot do so.

4. Who has the onus of proof?

In science, the onus of proof regarding a claim is on the claimant. If I say that relativity is wrong, it is up to me to support my arguments. If I claim to have invented a water-driven engine, it is up to me to demonstrate a working model. In contrast, pseudoscientists always say "Prove me wrong." They claim the moon is made of green cheese and expect somebody else to prove it isn't so. Science expects them to produce a sample of moon cheese or other evidence which supports their claim.

5. Is it well delineated?

Most advances in science have implications in a rather narrow field, though there are a few exceptions. In contrast, almost invariably, pseudoscientific theories will claim to revolutionise at least one major field of study, such as cosmology or evolution. Psuedoscientists always attack the most established and high-profile physical theories - relativity, quantum mechanics, evolution. They never attempt to revise one small area, such as providing a new measurement of the half-life of plutonium.

6. Is it open to change?

Scientific ideas are always open to change when new evidence comes along. For example, the big bang theory was shown to have a number of problems as a result of observations by astronomers. The theory was changed to include an inflationary period, and the modified theory solves many of the problems. No scientific theory claims to be the last word on something. Since science is tied to evidence, new evidence always has the potential to change the science.

In contrast, pseudoscientists tend to hold onto their ideas, even after they have been convincingly rebutted by argument or evidence. They also tend to be selective as to what evidence they consider valid; they select what supports their theories and ignore what is inconvenient.

7. Is it, at least in principle, falsifiable?

All good scientific theories are, in principle, falsifiable. When a scientific idea is proposed, the person putting it forward will usually suggest tests and/or observations which could show whether the idea is wrong or right.

Pseudoscientific ideas, on the other hand, are often deliberately constructed so as to be untestable and therefore unfalsifiable.

8. Is it realistic?

Scientists are (usually) prepared to accept what the world throws at them, even if it means throwing out cherished ideas in the face of new evidence. Psuedoscience tends to be full of wishful thinking. Whilst it would be great if we all had psychic powers, scientists won't believe in them without good evidence - but pseudoscientists will.
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If, after asking these questions, an idea still seems plausible, then chances are that it is scientific. That doesn't mean it is right, of course - that depends on the evidence."

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Flat Earth Q&A / Beyond the Ice Wall
« on: June 23, 2007, 08:12:34 PM »
Just a lazy Sunday afternoon musing.

Whats beyond the Ice wall?
If for some reason it does not get progressively colder (our Sun is not the only one?). It could be that there are other pockets of life and that could be the reason why there are the formidable Ice wall Guards . It would also give the guards an ideological reason to be there and not just bribed silence.Or maybe they are from the other side of the wall?
Look its obvious FE advocates will never be induced other wise.The theorry can be good fun without being demeaning to any one.
All this came about as a wondering why in FE we don't loose in time what water we do have as an infinite land mass around us would absorb what heat we do get from the radiation of a 32mile diameter  (radius?) Sun .

Any FEer's like to pick up the ball and run?
At worst its an alternative conspiracy theory.

"Beyond the Ice Wall" sounds like a good title for a novel?

Riles

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Flat Earth Debate / The Sun
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:15:51 PM »
The sun' radius expands and contracts throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus. It is only directly overhead above a specific location during a single moment of the year.

Go outside and observe the sun at noon. You will notice that it is not directly overhead at 90 degrees, but at an angle North or South depending on the time of the year.


This was in another thread and I didn't want to hi-jack some one else's thread.
But I have a few Q.s  about the above statement.

What causes the Sun to expand?
Has this ever been measured? If so how and by whom?
Are there any figures available ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Gravity
« on: June 17, 2007, 03:16:55 AM »
From the FAQ's:

"Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more."

What then causes gravity?
What characteristics do the stars have that the Earth does not?
what tests, experiments or measurements confirm this?
Are humans gravitc? Are the Stars exerting a "pull" on us?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Stratellites
« on: June 16, 2007, 05:30:23 PM »
Apparently in Flat Earth theory satellites don't exist but some thing called "Stratellites" do .

What are they?
how do they remain air borne?

Thanks

Riles

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