Please explain satellite tracking

Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be.  We are ready for your next proposal.

Quote from: jroa on August 30, 2014, 07:02:18 AM

You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?  Are you being serious?

Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?

We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.

Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be.  We are ready for your next proposal.

Meteors and flares also streak across the sky.  Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky.  You only know what they tell you. 

Quote from: markjo on August 30, 2014, 09:24:47 AM

Quote from: jroa on August 30, 2014, 07:02:18 AM

You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?  Are you being serious?

Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?

We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on August 31, 2014, 08:34:59 AM

Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be.  We are ready for your next proposal.

Meteors and flares also streak across the sky.  Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky.  You only know what they tell you.

Still no explanation with details of satellite broadcasting...  Hint, dish angles point to object at defined position.

Quote from: markjo on August 30, 2014, 09:24:47 AM

Quote from: jroa on August 30, 2014, 07:02:18 AM

You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?  Are you being serious?

Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?

We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on August 31, 2014, 08:34:59 AM

Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be.  We are ready for your next proposal.

Meteors and flares also streak across the sky.  Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky.  You only know what they tell you.

There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.

And what do you mean by "they"? NASA is what I am thinking. You should always trust NASA.

We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.

Fantasy airliners?

Meteors and flares also streak across the sky.

Not according to a pre-defined timetable they don't.

  Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky.  You only know what they tell you.

Who is they?  Anyway, it's quite easy to see them, especially the ISS, with your own eyes.

There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.

Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?

Quote from: General Patton on August 31, 2014, 07:39:10 PM

There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.

Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?

There is no difference between gravity and orbiting.

Quote from: tappet on September 01, 2014, 02:33:10 AM

Quote from: General Patton on August 31, 2014, 07:39:10 PM

There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.

Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?

There is a difference between gravity and orbiting.

Could you please explain this in detail to us,

Quote from: General Patton on September 01, 2014, 06:25:16 AM

Quote from: tappet on September 01, 2014, 02:33:10 AM

Quote from: General Patton on August 31, 2014, 07:39:10 PM

There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.

Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?

There is a difference between gravity and orbiting.

Could you please explain this in detail to us,

Meteors fly through space from impacts with other planets, moons, etc. SOMETIMES if they get too close, they will catch orbit on Earth. Satellites simply orbit the Earth, while meteors come in very fast, that is why they are called "shooting stars". Also fixed that mistake.

You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?  Are you being serious?

If you could magically "calculate" where any airplane will be in a few days hence, you'd be in line for a Nobel Prize in physics jroa.  Why?

—For having invented a time-travel machine.

You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.  Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.

But we can PREDICT when we'll see it, if they were just random lights we wouldn't know when we'd see them.

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on August 29, 2014, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 29, 2014, 09:29:06 AM

I messed up when I said pseudolites.  I was posting in several different threads at the same time.

What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all.  You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.

Ok, so it's not a pseudolite.  So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?

An airplane.

If the object in the sky can be seen from two different places in the sky at to different times you can use the distance and time difference to calculate the speed, and then the height.
Therefore, a plane can only be in the right place a tiny fraction of the time.

And anyway through binoculars it can easily be seen to not be a plane.

You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?  Are you being serious?

I note that jroa never returned to explain to us exactly how he can determine the location of an airplane "days in advance".  It's apparently a skill that only flat earthers currently possess, so I'd be interested in him sharing it with us round earthers.

—That's if he can.

Quote from: jroa on August 27, 2014, 09:05:28 AM

You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.  Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.

But we can PREDICT when we'll see it, if they were just random lights we wouldn't know when we'd see them.

I did not say they were random lights.  I said that there are lights moving in the sky, and you have no idea what they are other than what you are told.  Do you think the conspiracy does not have the means to cause a light to streak across the sky at a time of their choosing? 

Do you think the conspiracy does not have the means to cause a light to streak across the sky at a time of their choosing?

No, I don't believe the made-up-conspiracy has that capability.  Then again, when you are making things up you can just give them magical powers.

It also wouldn't' be at the time of their choosing - it would have to be exactly as the models for satellite orbits predict.  Easily verifiable via a online satellite tracker.

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.  They don't have to do it all the time. 

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.  They don't have to do it all the time.

Why only after sunset and before sunrise.  Satellites are visible all night if they are passing overhead.  And it is always night somewhere.

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.

Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.

At the right time of the year, you can actually stay out and watch the ISS pass over every 90 minutes all night.

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.  They don't have to do it all the time.

Are you suggesting that it's not always sunset AND sunrise, somewhere on Earth?

And how exactly would "the conspiracy" create these lights?  Flashlights? Lasers? Fireflies?  (Be advised that a one word response to this question won't cut it.  If your answer is lasers, for example, please elaborate on how that might work.)

Quote from: jroa on September 05, 2014, 09:28:23 AM

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.  They don't have to do it all the time.

Why only after sunset and before sunrise.  Satellites are visible all night if they are passing overhead.  And it is always night somewhere.

Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.

At the right time of the year, you can actually stay out and watch the ISS pass over every 90 minutes all night.

This is incorrect.  They are only visible shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise.  You should learn about your own satellite theory. 

If you have ever star-gazed shortly after sunset or before sunrise, you have probably noticed one or two "stars" sailing gracefully across the sky.

Quote from: Rama Set on September 05, 2014, 10:47:32 AM

Quote from: jroa on September 05, 2014, 09:28:23 AM

The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.  They don't have to do it all the time.

Why only after sunset and before sunrise.  Satellites are visible all night if they are passing overhead.  And it is always night somewhere.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on September 05, 2014, 11:04:50 AM

Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.

At the right time of the year, you can actually stay out and watch the ISS pass over every 90 minutes all night.

This is incorrect.  They are only visible shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise.  You should learn about your own satellite theory. 

Quote from: http://www.satobs.org

If you have ever star-gazed shortly after sunset or before sunrise, you have probably noticed one or two "stars" sailing gracefully across the sky.

This is not strictly true. Only a general rule. Maybe you should learn our theory.

http://m.space.com/6870-spot-satellites.html

Nights are now the shortest and the time that a satellite in a low-Earth-orbit (like the ISS) can remain illuminated by the Sun can extend throughout the night, a situation that can never be attained during other times of the year. 

Even if what you were saying were strictly true, it is still always sunrise or sunset somewhere on Earth meaning this division of The Conspiracy^TM would have to operate 24/7

Note that Low earth satellites move at over 7KM/s.
A satellite and a plane are going to be in vastly different places are just a few minutes.

I did not say they were random lights.  I said that there are lights moving in the sky, and you have no idea what they are other than what you are told.  Do you think the conspiracy does not have the means to cause a light to streak across the sky at a time of their choosing?

Can you tell us exactly how the "conspiracy" produces these lights?  What mechanism would generate them, and how would they be positioned so precisely and regularly?    Remember too that earlier on you claimed that man-made satellites don't exist.  So these lights would have to be generated by some earth-bound source and projected somehow would they not?  If that's the case, then by what means are they reflected back towards earth?  And from what geographic locations on earth would they be situated?

This is incorrect. 

No, it isn't.  I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.

Quote from: jroa on September 06, 2014, 07:03:56 AM

This is incorrect. 

No, it isn't.  I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.

How could you see the ISS in the middle of the night when anything within your field of view would be in the Earth's shadow?  Perhaps they turned on the headlights?  Or, maybe this is just more proof that the Earth is really flat? 

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on September 07, 2014, 03:38:52 AM

Quote from: jroa on September 06, 2014, 07:03:56 AM

This is incorrect. 

No, it isn't.  I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.

How could you see the ISS in the middle of the night when anything within your field of view would be in the Earth's shadow?  Perhaps they turned on the headlights?  Or, maybe this is just more proof that the Earth is really flat?

Do not mistake your inability to comprehend geometry with proof of anything.

How could you see the ISS in the middle of the night when anything within your field of view would be in the Earth's shadow?  Perhaps they turned on the headlights?  Or, maybe this is just more proof that the Earth is really flat?

No, it's proof that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.  Although I think that particular debate was settled some time ago.

Every early June in the northern hemisphere (December in the southern), the International Space Station (ISS) can be observed on multiple passes from dusk till dawn. Taking only 90 minute to circle Earth, the station is normally visible once or twice a night during twilight, when it catches the sun’s rays 250 miles up and glimmers brightly against a darkening sky.

Passes continue through the night – yep, it’s up there – but we can’t see the football field-sized satellite because it’s in Earth’s shadow. The sun has set for the astronauts; they look out the window and admire the sparkling lights of cities below and stars above.


That all changes for a week or two around the summer solstice thanks to our planet’s tilted axis and the highly inclined orbit of the ISS. The space station’s orbit is tipped up at an angle of 51.6 degrees to the Earth’s equator. That means it visible anywhere on the ground between 52 degrees north and south of the equator – a vast region that includes 90% of humanity.

During northern hemisphere summer, Earth’s north pole is tilted 23.5 degrees toward the sun. When combined with the space station’s steep orbital tilt, the ISS manages to avoid Earth’s shadow, remaining in constant sunlight during its entire orbit. For a daydreaming astronaut staring out the cupola windows, the sun never sets. He watches it drop to edge of the globe and then rise right back up again. Watch the video above and you’ll see what I mean.

- See more at: http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/06/02/space-station-marathon-week-an-excuse-to-stay-up-all-night/#sthash.WVAWiS5C.dpuf

It's almost as if the world is round....

Bright satellites can be seen during the day if you use a telescope that can track them based on orbit predictions. The ISS is the brightest out there and easy to recognize.

Bright satellites can be seen during the day if you use a telescope that can track them based on orbit predictions. The ISS is the brightest out there and easy to recognize.

Great.  When did you do this?  Please, post some of your pics.  Thanks.