What is the accurate map?

Tom Bishop showed me his flat Earth wiki, which is great since now I know what is your model and I can debunk it correspondingly.

I wrote an entire encyclopedia about Flat Earth, known as the TFES.org Wiki.

The first thing I check in this wiki is the map of flat Earth, because it is different from what I usually see. I used elementary school level math called counting and figure out that there are 12 maps depicting the Flat Earth, 10 are showing the so-called monopole model, and 2 are showing the so-called bi-polar models.

Now flat Earthers, please tell me which one is the accurate map of the globe? Answering they all are is not an option since the world has only one shape.

Here is the link to the page if you are too lazy to check: https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps

You have already identified why they wont.
By keeping it vague the can switch between maps to try to avoid problems.
e.g. south celestial pole? Here is the bipolar map.

If they pick a single map, then they are screwed, as there is no way to defend it.

The most accurate and thorough flat Earth maps were taken away and hidden by the ball Earth cabal.

How do you think they could ever make ball Earth maps without any explorations done yet? They used flat Earth maps to make ball Earth versions from, sort of, anyway.

That’s why they’re distorted, mainly in the southern half of their ball Earth.

So they made them flatter maps, more accurate, more real again.

Why was it less and less accurate in the south? Because they used the center of real flat Earth maps as their North Pole, and went out from there. That’s why it’s more accurate in the north than in the south, spreading out more and more from the center point.

If the ball Earth maps were accurate and realistic, they’d have not used flat Earth maps and twist them into a ball Earth map. And then claimed Earth wasn’t flat, it was a ball, science has proven it!

Science doesn’t take real maps and twist them into bs maps.

The most accurate and thorough flat Earth maps were taken away and hidden by the ball Earth cabal.

No, they weren't.
That is just your paranoid delusional fantasy to pretend that there were accurate maps.

How do you think they could ever make ball Earth maps without any explorations done yet?

They don't need to have explored the entire Earth to start mapping it.
And the shape of Earth has no impact on that.
So your question is just pure nonsense.

That’s why they’re distorted, mainly in the southern half of their ball Earth.

The globe is not distorted.
The flat projections of the globes are.

Why was it less and less accurate in the south? Because they used the center of real flat Earth maps as their North Pole, and went out from there. That’s why it’s more accurate in the north than in the south, spreading out more and more from the center point.

Again, the globe is accurate. It is the flat projection which is distorted.
Because that projection is centred on the north pole of the real round Earth.

You have not answer my question, there are 12 maps in front of me, WHICH ONE IS THE CORRECT MAP REPRESENTING FLAT EARTH?

They never mapped a ball Earth, they took flat Earth maps and tried to make them into ball Earth maps, or into a globe Earth map.

The first ball Earth maps were brutally inaccurate, especially in the Southern regions. Ships got lost and died on the seas, of famine, scurvy, etc.

So they made new maps, more like the flat maps they failed to make into a ball map.

Ball Earth maps are all distorted to various degrees. They cannot be anything but distortional maps of a fake ball Earth.

They never mapped a ball Earth, they took flat Earth maps and tried to make them into ball Earth maps, or into a globe Earth map.

If this delusional BS of yours was true, there would be loads of different globes which all have distortion, and one flat map which did not.
If this delusional BS of yours was true, you would be able to tell us just what magical map exists which shows a FE without distortion.

But you neither of those are reality.
Instead, we have a single globe, which accurately shows Earth without distortion.
And we have plenty of flat maps, which show distortion.
And you do whatever you can to deflect from your inability to provide a map.

They never mapped a ball Earth, they took flat Earth maps and tried to make them into ball Earth maps, or into a globe Earth map.
The first ball Earth maps were brutally inaccurate, especially in the Southern regions. Ships got lost and died on the seas, of famine, scurvy, etc.
So they made new maps, more like the flat maps they failed to make into a ball map.
Ball Earth maps are all distorted to various degrees. They cannot be anything but distortional maps of a fake ball Earth.

Stop avoiding my question and bring up unrelated things, which of the 12 maps shown in the website is the correct map that depicts the shape of the Earth, choose one.

Plus what is stopping you from mapping one, since you can just buy a plane ticket and fly around the world. Because the UN is stopping from doing it, or because of you don't know the basics of mapping

Tom Bishop showed me his flat Earth wiki, which is great since now I know what is your model and I can debunk it correspondingly.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 22, 2024, 02:54:59 PM

I wrote an entire encyclopedia about Flat Earth, known as the TFES.org Wiki.

The first thing I check in this wiki is the map of flat Earth, because it is different from what I usually see. I used elementary school level math called counting and figure out that there are 12 maps depicting the Flat Earth, 10 are showing the so-called monopole model, and 2 are showing the so-called bi-polar models.

Now flat Earthers, please tell me which one is the accurate map of the globe? Answering they all are is not an option since the world has only one shape.

Here is the link to the page if you are too lazy to check: https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Maps

Its almost like his wiki is on another site and has nothing to do with us because it was largely written by trolls kicked out of decent Society. What you engage in now is much like debating the ethics of philosophy against the engineering of siegecraft. You are but a fool, and a petulant one at that.

Its almost like his wiki is on another site and has nothing to do with us because it was largely written by trolls kicked out of decent Society. What you engage in now is much like debating the ethics of philosophy against the engineering of siegecraft. You are but a fool, and a petulant one at that.

Okay, I am sorry that I am not aware that Tom Bishop is a fool and a troll, I guess this invalidates his website, so maybe you are the right person to ask for a correct map of the flat Earth, do you have one, can you share it?

Tom Bishop himself isn't, but that wiki I believe was made not by him alone.

An accurate projection of the flat earth map can be seen on a globe. It is a closed, non-euclidean flat space.

Another map that matches prediction would be collapsed state map.

An accurate projection of the flat earth map can be seen on a globe. It is a closed, non-euclidean flat space.

That would be a round Earth.

Tom Bishop himself isn't, but that wiki I believe was made not by him alone.

An accurate projection of the flat earth map can be seen on a globe. It is a closed, non-euclidean flat space.

Another map that matches prediction would be collapsed state map.

Stop avoiding my question, do you have an accurate map of flat Earth?

We have already defined it. Are you a deaf or dumb, sir? "It is a closed, non-euclidean flat space

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 07, 2024, 02:39:01 AM

The most accurate and thorough flat Earth maps were taken away and hidden by the ball Earth cabal.

No, they weren't.
That is just your paranoid delusional fantasy to pretend that there were accurate maps.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 07, 2024, 02:39:01 AM

How do you think they could ever make ball Earth maps without any explorations done yet?

They don't need to have explored the entire Earth to start mapping it.
And the shape of Earth has no impact on that.
So your question is just pure nonsense.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 07, 2024, 02:39:01 AM

That’s why they’re distorted, mainly in the southern half of their ball Earth.

The globe is not distorted.
The flat projections of the globes are.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 07, 2024, 02:39:01 AM

Why was it less and less accurate in the south? Because they used the center of real flat Earth maps as their North Pole, and went out from there. That’s why it’s more accurate in the north than in the south, spreading out more and more from the center point.

Again, the globe is accurate. It is the flat projection which is distorted.
Because that projection is centred on the north pole of the real round Earth.

The flat Earth maps aren’t distorted, they tried to make flat Earth maps which were accurate maps, into a ball Earth map, which made it very distorted right there.

Then they tried to revise their very distorted ball maps more accurate by making them more flat again, but not fully flat, they wanted to keep it as a ‘more accurate’ ball map.

Why would they not have accurate ball Earth maps at first? If they really mapped the ball Earth, it should have been accurate right away, no?

Why would they ever need to change their original ball maps, by flattening parts of their original ball maps?

When and who made their ball Earth maps? Why did they claim back they didn’t know what lands might exist beyond the oceans?

Of course they knew what was there, they had flat maps of Earth they stole and hid in secret. Most were destroyed by them first, but kept the best maps for a ball version map.

Their biggest problem was how to fit in the southern half of their ball version. The wall had to be figured out.

The flat Earth maps aren’t distorted

Every flat map is distorted.
This is quite well known, and there is even a measure for it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tissot%27s_indicatrix

a ball Earth map, which made it very distorted right there.

Except the globe matches reality, i.e. it isn't distorted.

Why would they not have accurate ball Earth maps at first?

Because flat maps are easy to manipulate. They can be folded and rolled up quite easily.
A large rigid section of a sphere is much harder to handle.

If they really mapped the ball Earth, it should have been accurate right away, no?

Only as accurate as the tools they had.

Why would they ever need to change their original ball maps, by flattening parts of their original ball maps?

They haven't flattened any.
But as for why, because they weren't accurate the first time.
They didn't survey every square mm of Earth's surface, and were limited by the tools they had.

Why did they claim back they didn’t know what lands might exist beyond the oceans?

Because until they go sailing the oceans, they don't know what is there.

Of course they knew what was there, they had flat maps of Earth they stole and hid in secret.

Prove it.
Provide the accurate FE map without distortion.

Their biggest problem was how to fit in the southern half of their ball version. The wall had to be figured out.

No, that is the biggest problem for FEers, because they can't explain the southern hemisphere at all, without shifting the massive problem somewhere else.
They can't explain why the distance between lines of longitude decrease as you go south.
They can't explain the existence of the south celestial pole.
They can't explain why during the southern summer the sun appears to rise south of east, including those south of the tropics, and why the further south you are the more daylight you get.

But the RE explains it all just fine.

The flat Earth maps aren’t distorted, they tried to make flat Earth maps which were accurate maps, into a ball Earth map, which made it very distorted right there.

Then they tried to revise their very distorted ball maps more accurate by making them more flat again, but not fully flat, they wanted to keep it as a ‘more accurate’ ball map.

Why would they not have accurate ball Earth maps at first? If they really mapped the ball Earth, it should have been accurate right away, no?

Why would they ever need to change their original ball maps, by flattening parts of their original ball maps?

When and who made their ball Earth maps? Why did they claim back they didn’t know what lands might exist beyond the oceans?

Of course they knew what was there, they had flat maps of Earth they stole and hid in secret. Most were destroyed by them first, but kept the best maps for a ball version map.

Their biggest problem was how to fit in the southern half of their ball version. The wall had to be figured out.

You are constantly dodging my question, what is the accurate map of flat Earth? Do you have a accurate map of flat Earth.

The ball Earth has never been mapped by exploring the Earth,  and never will be mapped, every map of Earth, which ever existed or exists today, are based on flat Earth maps, by those who explored the Earth long ago, and mapped it as flat, surrounded by massive ice walls circling the Earth.

There obviously were very accurate flat maps of Earth, we see how they remain fairly accurate in the northern regions on their corrupted revision into a ball Earth.

There would be no possible reason the northern areas are more accurate than in the southern areas, if it was a ball, explored as a ball, and mapped as a ball.

The reason it is most accurate in the north, is because it is taken from flat Earth maps, which were entirely accurate over Eatth, but when they made it into a ball, the center of Earth because their North Pole, and down from there it became less and less accurate, downward to the south.

So they made it more like the flat Earth map again, but said they were using ball Earth maps that weren’t accurate in the south, for some unknown reason. Because the Earth isn’t a ball and can’t be mapped accurately as a ball

The ball Earth has never been mapped by exploring the Earth,  and never will be mapped, every map of Earth, which ever existed or exists today, are based on flat Earth maps, by those who explored the Earth long ago, and mapped it as flat, surrounded by massive ice walls circling the Earth.

There obviously were very accurate flat maps of Earth, we see how they remain fairly accurate in the northern regions on their corrupted revision into a ball Earth.

There would be no possible reason the northern areas are more accurate than in the southern areas, if it was a ball, explored as a ball, and mapped as a ball.

The reason it is most accurate in the north, is because it is taken from flat Earth maps, which were entirely accurate over Eatth, but when they made it into a ball, the center of Earth because their North Pole, and down from there it became less and less accurate, downward to the south.

So they made it more like the flat Earth map again, but said they were using ball Earth maps that weren’t accurate in the south, for some unknown reason. Because the Earth isn’t a ball and can’t be mapped accurately as a ball

Just outright lying to everyone wont help you.
It doesn't matter what delusional story you want to spin.
The simple fact is we currently have a single RE globe map, which accurately shows the continents and distances and so on, with you unable to provide a single fault.
Meanwhile, there are many different flat maps which all distort Earth in some way.
You have no accurate FE map.

The reason your delusional map is most accurate in the north is because it is a projection centred on the north pole, so it is most accurate there and is more distorted the further away from the north pole you go.
That map YOU cling to is not accurate in the south.
But the RE model is.

The only accurate maps are based on flat surfaces, not curved surfaces.

Why would a ball Earth within endless space have a North Pole and a South Pole on it, when endless space has no directions to orientate a north or south on a ball too?

The Earth was fully explored and mapped as flat with an immensely high circular wall of ice, that extended as a flat plateau for unknown distances.

That’s why the ball Earth scumbags left the whole area of the southern area below South America, Africa and Australia in so many different ways afterwards, because they hadn’t figured out what to ‘put there’ instead.  They finally put in an entire unknown continent they’d just found was there, a massive continent nobody saw 250 miles from South America!

They’d already planned how to keep us from seeing there’s a massive ice wall there, and no huge continent.

All the countries came together and declared the continent off limits to all of us, saying it was an untouched pristine environment, so nobody can touch it as a pristine environment but them.

Look at your ball Earth globe maps, which have the south pole under them, tucked out of sight on a pin or bracket, going right through their newly discovered continent.

If the Earth is a ball, we could prove it by flying directly across the south pole, one side to the other side of ball Earth.

We don’t have flights across the South Pole, when it would be the shortest path between lower South America to lower Africa and Australia, because they say it’s too dangerous if the planes need an emergency landing or if they crash there!

But they’re fine to fly over a dangerous ocean three times it’s distance every day back and forth!

The only accurate maps are based on flat surfaces, not curved surfaces.

Then why is every large scale flat map distorted, while the globe is not?

It sure seems like the only accurate large scale map is the globe or based upon it with know distortions from it being projected from a globe.

Why would a ball Earth within endless space have a North Pole and a South Pole on it, when endless space has no directions to orientate a north or south on a ball too?

Because it rotates on its axis, and we follow the convention of the right hand rule.

Why would a flat pancake sitting stationary with nothing around it have a north pole?

The Earth was fully explored and mapped as flat with an immensely high circular wall of ice, that extended as a flat plateau for unknown distances.

That is just your delusional fantasy, which you are yet to provide any evidence for.

All the countries came together and declared the continent off limits to all of us

No, they say it is open to all, but not for military or exploitative purposes.

Look at your ball Earth globe maps, and look at how well they work.

I do, and they work wonderfully.

If the Earth is a ball, we could prove it by flying directly across the south pole, one side to the other side of ball Earth.

And people have. Why don't you try it.

We don’t have flights across the South Pole

Because there are no commercial routes where that is the shortest path.

If you think there is, why don't you provide it?

it would be the shortest path between lower South America to lower Africa and Australia

No, it isn't.
In order for the shortest route to go over the south pole, you need 2 locations 180 degrees of longitude apart.
The only locations which are arranged like that are the western half of Australia and part of South America.
But there are no direct flights because the root just isn't viable.

We also don't need to fly over the south pole. Instead we can just look south at the night sky and observe the south celestial pole.

Take a look at their Antarctica treaty, a legal document that says we cannot go there and if we do, we are breaking international law. They must give us permission to visit Antarctica, within a limited area they allow you to go.

They say we cannot go there to cause damage to the oristine environment, only military and other government groups are allowed.

Why is it off limits? Same reason as the ocean iis off limits when rockets fly over it.

When they show us the ice wall, they stop while it’s still going out, and never show how it continues further along.

They call them the ice shelves of Antarctica, when it is seen going on when they stop the footage. 

They chose the outer regions which extend from the wall to depict Antarctica as a continent of icy land, but it’s just a small extension from the walls.

They depict it as a massive barren land covered in ice, and show a couple buildings surrounded by vast icy lands, which would not make any sense, to be miles within barren land of no food sources, no civilization or hospitals or medicines they may need.

They may be faking being in Antarctica, to look like a vast barren land of icy grounds. I think they are faking it, because if it’s pristine land, not touched by humans, and say it’s not safe or liveable land, what makes it ok for them to be there? They likely aren’t there anyway, it’s to show people working in buildings surrounded by a vast barren icy landscape.

Take a look at their Antarctica treaty

A legal document granting access to Antarctica for all?

The exact opposite of your lies?

And notice how you still refuse to justify any of your insane claims.

Where are these accurate flat maps?
Where is the globe inaccurate?

Take a look at their Antarctica treaty, a legal document that says we cannot go there and if we do, we are breaking international law. They must give us permission to visit Antarctica, within a limited area they allow you to go.

They say we cannot go there to cause damage to the oristine environment, only military and other government groups are allowed.

Why is it off limits? Same reason as the ocean iis off limits when rockets fly over it.

All you need is a work visa to go to Antarctica and live for six months, oh and a job. Not hard to do, unless you are an unemployable flat earther bum.

The ocean isnt off-limits when a rocket flies over it. People film and photograph rockets over the ocean, all the time. Just because you haven't seen those videos, doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means you're too scared of your own shadow, to bother even looking.

When your compass shows you are heading South and you end up where Antarctica is supposed to be, guess what? You are at Antarctica.

The only thing which seems to be off-limits to you, is reality.

Quote from: turbonium2 on November 11, 2024, 03:24:57 AM

Take a look at their Antarctica treaty, a legal document that says we cannot go there and if we do, we are breaking international law. They must give us permission to visit Antarctica, within a limited area they allow you to go.

They say we cannot go there to cause damage to the oristine environment, only military and other government groups are allowed.

Why is it off limits? Same reason as the ocean iis off limits when rockets fly over it.

All you need is a work visa to go to Antarctica and live for six months, oh and a job. Not hard to do, unless you are an unemployable flat earther bum.

The ocean isnt off-limits when a rocket flies over it. People film and photograph rockets over the ocean, all the time. Just because you haven't seen those videos, doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means you're too scared of your own shadow, to bother even looking.

When your compass shows you are heading South and you end up where Antarctica is supposed to be, guess what? You are at Antarctica.

The only thing which seems to be off-limits to you, is reality.

No, it’s off limits, because if it wasn’t off limits, we’d see lots of videos and images from all sorts of people who went there, every area of Antarctica, coast to coast paths, etc.

A few people work within a restricted area, with 6 month permits, so clearly it’s restricted.

The reason for this, the only reason for it, is to prevent and never allow us, ever, to see the great ice walls which circle around Earth, to explore the whole ice walls circling the Earth, holding its vast oceans, as the boundary of our flat Earth within its walls of towering ice.

They called them ‘glaciers’ of Antarctica, pristine and fragile features of that newly discovered ‘continent’ that was never seen for thousands of years before!

An incredible story, that such a massive land was unknown to exist, while thousands of tiny remote islands within the Pacific Ocean, far more distant than Antarctica is from land, somehow WERE discovered centuries before a massive continent was!

Then, within a few years, not yet having explored the entire new-found continent, they claimed it was about the size of continental America! That was a glitch, in their fictional story of Antarctica.

But after they discovered a new continent, knew it’s size, and knew it had no indigenous life on it, at all, without exploring the entire newly found continent, somehow they already knew so much about it.

And then, all the nations in power on the world came together as one, and agreed as one to have this continent protected and restricted from others entering the continent, unless they permit anyone to enter the continent at all.

This land of nothing but ice and snow, with no life, no resources to collect from its lands, supposedly…

Those nations join together as one, the same nations who’ve destroyed our forests and poisoned our waters and our air, within every other continent on Earth, for centuries, which all DO have life and deserve protecting the land and environment..

The very scum who have plummeted and destroyed the lands, waters and air of Earth, say they wish to protect and preserve this newly discovered continent of no life or worth, and stupid people believe anything they say is true, not using their own brains anymore.

That’s how easy it is to keep the massive ice walls circling the Earth a secret.

The walls are very distant and over vast waters, for much of it.

The areas where the wall is closest to us, and to land, is where they protect it most.

The further areas along the wall are much more distant, and over more waters, further from land.

Those who have tried to sail out to those regions, if any have tried to, that is, would be identified as ships going off of normal shipping routes, and tracked down by them, and told to turn back.

They cannot protect the entire vast wall, they track all ships and planes from land, and track their paths afterwards, so if any are going off normal paths, towards the outer walls, they’d know it, and track them down before any could reach the walls.

Look at when they ever have shown us the walls, which they say are the glaciers of Antarctica.

They never show more of it than a part, and cut it off, when we see the walls continuing past that point.

They never show it from above their ‘glaciers’ in a plane flying over them either, or to the edge of them at most.

We’ve seen planes film over other glaciers in the Arctic, in Nordic countries, etc.

And we also know and have filmed their entire length or span, too.

We know what their actual length is, or multiple lengths over a span.

If their Antarctica glaciers have a length, or multiple places over the made up continent, what are their lengths?

These enemy nations become friends who join together after they’ve scared their citizens they’re evil scum who want to kill us, same as they’re told about them, and kill each other, and millions die, and one side ‘wins’ the bloodbath, and become friends soon afterwards, in ‘space’ missions!

A newly found continent, that’s what we’ll say it is!

Our greatest ever discovery is a massive continent on Earth that wasn’t seen for thousands of years, but it’s not bs, why can’t that happen for real?

Sure it can happen, for real, when earlier maps showed all the other continents of Earth accurately, or at least showed them as lands on Earth, and many showed a large circular boundary around Earth, and others did not show anything at all there.

And many of our maps showed small and very remote islands within the vast oceans too. It’d be very simple if those islands weren’t discovered for so long, instead of a massive continent the size of America not being seen at all.

Fakes are kept secret, it’s simply a ruse




 

No, it’s off limits, because if it wasn’t off limits, we’d see lots of videos and images from all sorts of people who went there, every area of Antarctica, coast to coast paths, etc.

Repeating the same BS wont help you. It just shows how desperate you are.

Something being possible does not mean there will be a flood of people just trying to do it, nor that they will video it and post it online.

Like usual, you have no evidence to back up your claim and just spout delusional BS.

And again, we don't need to go to Antarctica to see your FE fantasy is wrong.

Again:
Where are these accurate flat maps?
Where is the globe inaccurate?