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Why do you support donald trump

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markjo

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23970 on: February 22, 2025, 10:50:40 AM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 21, 2025, 08:25:04 PM
Of course. "Literally Hitler."
Not literally, but he's working on it.  At least Trump's purges don't involve putting his opponents to death.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 21, 2025, 08:25:04 PM
No, Trump is not Hitler. Nor is he Caesar. Though tbh, Caesar is alot closer to what we are looking for, a leader who has popular support, who the leaders want to bury, not to praise.
A lot of dictators are popular with the people.  Until they realize who the dictator starts showing their true colors.  Tell me, why would Trump fire the director of the Office of Government Ethics if not to make his corruption easier to get away with? 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-office-of-government-ethics-director/

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on February 21, 2025, 08:25:04 PM
Hitler took power immediately, Trump spent a whole term putting up with the political establishment obstructing him. Also, for a leader to be a dictator, he really does have to have a power base. Hitler tended to purge people, not his own power base.
You aren't very good at history, are you?  It took Hitler a fair number of years to rise through the political ranks before he was able to assume absolute power.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/how-did-adolf-hitler-happen
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23971 on: February 22, 2025, 10:55:57 AM »
And with Hitler's rise it required...

The Chancellor before him getting alot of powers.
Burning down the Parliament building, with people inside, and blaming the Danish immigrants.  Which allowed him to push the Nazi Party into powers with all the new elections that had to take place to replace the dead representatives.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23972 on: February 22, 2025, 02:17:55 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on February 21, 2025, 09:14:12 PM
You need to remember that the president's power is also checked but so far, Trump is trying to bypass all of that.

I am not sure why you guys keep repeating that falsity. It's actually the role of the President to check the powers of the other branches.

This is why the President can pardon someone who has a court order to remain in prison. It is also why the President can choose not to enforce federal marijuana laws passed by Congress, making it effectively legal. These two examples alone, which have nothing to do with Trump specifically, shows that the President can ignore and is above the powers of Congress and the courts.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23973 on: February 22, 2025, 02:34:01 PM »
Johnathan Pie has something to say.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23974 on: February 22, 2025, 05:41:25 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 22, 2025, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on February 21, 2025, 09:14:12 PM
You need to remember that the president's power is also checked but so far, Trump is trying to bypass all of that.

I am not sure why you guys keep repeating that falsity. It's actually the role of the President to check the powers of the other branches.
It is also the role of Congress and SCOTUS to check the powers the president, lest he begin to think he has the unlimited power of a king.  Or, maybe he thinks that he's the CEO of USA, Inc.  Of course Congress and SCOTUS are doing little check Trump's powers, so we get to sit back and have fun as we watch the chaos ensue.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23975 on: February 22, 2025, 07:15:23 PM »
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It is also the role of Congress and SCOTUS to check the powers the president, lest he begin to think he has the unlimited power of a king.  Or, maybe he thinks that he's the CEO of USA, Inc.  Of course Congress and SCOTUS are doing little check Trump's powers, so we get to sit back and have fun as we watch the chaos ensue.

The US President does have the power equivalent to a King. The reason the President plays the role of King is that the US founders were not particularly original and just took the English system of government and made some minor fixes, rightly making it into an elected King. An active commander of the nation is needed, but that commander should be the person who the populous wants to rule.

As I have posted elsewhere, the President has the power to assassinate US Citizens at will.

    The Supreme Court today ruled that presidents are entitled to “absolute immunity” from criminal prosecution for official acts, then contended that pressuring the vice president and the Department of Justice to overthrow the government was an “official act,” then said that talking to advisers or making public statements are “official acts” as well, and then determined that evidence of what presidents say and do cannot be used against them to establish that their acts are “unofficial.”

If the US President can murder US Citizens and has absolute immunity from anything he wants to do then he obviously has great king-like power. Read that article. The article also describes that it is within the President's power to overthrow Congress without repercussion. However, historically the US President has simply just ignored them rather than overthrowing them, knowing that he is above their power.

The President is the country's Commander in Chief, and is the executor of justice above the law, very similar to the role of a medieval king. Legislature can make laws, but they don't apply to him. The law does not apply to him because he is the law.  The legislature is meant to make laws for normal citizens, not the President-King who has almost limitless powers.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23976 on: February 22, 2025, 07:49:44 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 22, 2025, 07:15:23 PM
The US President does have the power equivalent to a King.
But he's not supposed to.  That was the whole point of the Revolutionary War and the system of checks and balances among the three branches of government set up in the US Constitution.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 22, 2025, 07:15:23 PM
As I have posted elsewhere, the President has the power to assassinate US Citizens at will.
Right, and Biden missed his chance to have Trump assassinated when he had the chance. ::)

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 22, 2025, 07:15:23 PM
The law does not apply to him because he is the law.
You say that like it's a good thing.  It isn't.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23977 on: February 22, 2025, 10:21:52 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 22, 2025, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on February 21, 2025, 09:14:12 PM
You need to remember that the president's power is also checked but so far, Trump is trying to bypass all of that.

I am not sure why you guys keep repeating that falsity. It's actually the role of the President to check the powers of the other branches.

This is why the President can pardon someone who has a court order to remain in prison. It is also why the President can choose not to enforce federal marijuana laws passed by Congress, making it effectively legal. These two examples alone, which have nothing to do with Trump specifically, shows that the President can ignore and is above the powers of Congress and the courts.
SCOTUS can overrule anything the president does.
Congress can override a VETO.
Congress can remove a president.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23978 on: February 22, 2025, 10:52:59 PM »
In DOGE news...
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/22/nx-s1-5305834/elon-musk-federal-employees-email-opm

So the most efficient way to figure out who to fire, apparently, is to have the entire workforce email the same email address and someone will read all... 3 million emails at once, parse it, know who does what and what their job title is, THEN decide if they should keep their job based on that.


>_>  And this is efficient?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23979 on: February 23, 2025, 05:11:37 AM »
Seems simple enough.  You don’t even need good AI.  Just fire anyone who says “climate”, “diversity”, “Europe” or any other word on Trump and Musk’s shit list.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23980 on: February 23, 2025, 07:19:39 AM »
Ukraine has long been a sanctuary country for Nazis. I hope that country is absorbed by Russia tootsweet.

The US has also been occupied by Nazis since the days of Prescott Bush and Operation PaperClip.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23981 on: February 23, 2025, 08:07:56 AM »
Quote from: markjo on February 22, 2025, 07:49:44 PM
But he's not supposed to.  That was the whole point of the Revolutionary War and the system of checks and balances among the three branches of government set up in the US Constitution.

The point of the Revolutionary War was that the US wanted to govern themselves.

There isn't an explicit system of checks and balances mentioned in the Constitution. This is a later interpretation meant for school children and the public to idealize the system as fair. Reality has shown that the President has the ultimate power over the other branches.

If the President is responsible for execution and enforcement of orders, and can refuse them at will, the other branches can't really do anything except declare things.

Quote from: Lorddave on February 22, 2025, 10:21:52 PM
SCOTUS can overrule anything the president does.
Congress can override a VETO.
Congress can remove a president.

Here is "A brief history of presidents telling ‘so-called’ judges to get lost". They can and have told the Supreme Court to take a hike.

Sure, Congress can "over ride a veto" and issue an "order to remove the president" or declare that the President is "impeached", but they lack any enforcement power. If they lack enforcement power in other areas like marijuana laws and other things the executive simply ignores, what makes you think that they suddenly gain special enforcement power when it comes to override a veto or remove a President?

The President has has the ultimate authority of the law within him, and must voluntarily agree to anything. The fact that he can ignore laws and orders shows that he is King.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23982 on: February 23, 2025, 08:11:38 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 23, 2025, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: markjo on February 22, 2025, 07:49:44 PM
But he's not supposed to.  That was the whole point of the Revolutionary War and the system of checks and balances among the three branches of government set up in the US Constitution.

The point of the Revolutionary War was that the US wanted to govern themselves.

There isn't an explicit system of checks and balances mentioned in the Constitution. This is a later interpretation meant for school children and the public to idealize the system as fair. Reality has shown that the President has the ultimate power over the other branches.

If the President is responsible for execution and enforcement of orders, and can refuse them at will, the other branches can't really do anything except declare things.

Quote from: Lorddave on February 22, 2025, 10:21:52 PM
SCOTUS can overrule anything the president does.
Congress can override a VETO.
Congress can remove a president.

Here is "A brief history of presidents telling ‘so-called’ judges to get lost". They can and have told the Supreme Court to take a hike.

Sure, Congress can "over ride a veto" and issue an "order to remove the president" or declare that the President is "impeached", but they lack any enforcement power. If they lack enforcement power in other areas like marijuana laws and other things the executive simply ignores, what makes you think that they suddenly gain special enforcement power when it comes to override a veto or remove a President?

The President has has the ultimate authority of the law within him, and must voluntarily agree to anything. The fact that he can ignore laws and orders shows that he is King.

The constitution.
Literally, that document gives them enforcement power.
This is a pretty weak troll, Tom.  I'm disappointed.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23983 on: February 23, 2025, 10:37:00 AM »
It's an idealized system. But in reality the role of the President as executor of justice makes him ultimate authority. In the previous article I cited there is a quote:

    “The system depends on the president feeling an obligation to follow court orders,” University of San Diego Law School professor Michael Ramsey said.

The Supreme Court could uphold a Congressional removal order and it's not going to happen. The branches have the power to make orders, but the President has the execution power. If the President doesn't agree then the system doesn't work.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23984 on: February 23, 2025, 10:41:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 23, 2025, 10:37:00 AM
It's an idealized system. But in reality the role of the President as executor of justice makes him impenetrable and ultimate authority. In the previous article I cited there is a quote:

    “The system depends on the president feeling an obligation to follow court orders,” University of San Diego Law School professor Michael Ramsey said.

The Supreme Court could uphold a Congressional removal order and it's not going to happen. The Constitutions gave the branches the power to make orders, but the President has the execution powers. If the President doesn't agree then the system doesn't work.
And your ideals hinges in the military serving the president over the constitution.  Which would make him a dictator.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23985 on: February 23, 2025, 10:45:54 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 23, 2025, 10:37:00 AM


The Supreme Court could uphold a Congressional removal order and it's not going to happen. The branches have the power to make orders, but the President has the execution power. If the President doesn't agree then the system doesn't work.



You literally literaly just said its the ptous job to execute the order.

Not arbitrarily decide what the order will be.

Tehrefore
You just proved yureelf worng.


Thanks for coming out.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23986 on: February 23, 2025, 02:10:34 PM »
Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on February 23, 2025, 07:19:39 AM
Ukraine has long been a sanctuary country for Nazis. I hope that country is absorbed by Russia tootsweet.

The US has also been occupied by Nazis since the days of Prescott Bush and Operation PaperClip.

Riiight.  Just as well Putin and Trump will clear out all the Nazis from Ukraine and the US.

I see Trump has made a start with all the diversity hires, which was a trademark of the Nazis.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23987 on: February 23, 2025, 05:16:55 PM »
NAZIS!!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23988 on: February 23, 2025, 09:30:38 PM »
Quote from: Unconvinced on February 23, 2025, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on February 23, 2025, 07:19:39 AM
Ukraine has long been a sanctuary country for Nazis. I hope that country is absorbed by Russia tootsweet.

The US has also been occupied by Nazis since the days of Prescott Bush and Operation PaperClip.

Riiight.  Just as well Putin and Trump will clear out all the Nazis from Ukraine and the US.

I see Trump has made a start with all the diversity hires, which was a trademark of the Nazis.
Not if Ukraine agrees to give up $500 billion worth of mineral rights.  Then Trump will help Ukraine and not call them Nazis.  Probably.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23989 on: February 24, 2025, 01:46:51 AM »

With Maga twats lining up to (not) do Nazi salutes, Herr Trump reading from a Kremlin fact sheet and trashing long standing deals with, and threatening other democracies, and the richest man on the planet making cuts to welfare and jobs across the board in the name of government savings whilst pocketing $8 million per day from said governments coffers, are there any Americans that either through voting for, or not voting against, think they might have dropped the ball?
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« Reply #23990 on: February 24, 2025, 05:12:12 AM »
We in the US are no longer buying the 5-eye narrative Jura.

Blow it out your ear.
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« Reply #23991 on: February 24, 2025, 05:59:47 AM »

I should have stipulated, Americans with a lucid or at least shrewd rebuttal.
(Hopefully that doesn’t rule out too many.)   
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« Reply #23992 on: February 24, 2025, 06:10:40 AM »
While I am worried about the chaos, I am very interested to see all the weird little things crumbling without the money from USAID.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23993 on: February 24, 2025, 06:43:30 AM »
Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on February 24, 2025, 05:12:12 AM
We in the US are no longer buying the 5-eye narrative Jura.

Blow it out your ear.


soo....you just buying the whatever-narrative-russia-says is the narative?

we expect to see you at the upcoming BRICS 2025?
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« Reply #23994 on: February 24, 2025, 07:14:08 AM »

Yeah? Shame though that Aids relief and vaccinations for polio are gone, but military assistance to Israel exempted, very interesting, wouldn’t be the Serbian thing now would it?

As most of what comes out of the “Press briefings” by the Whitehouse is hearsay or just junk made up by Fox ($50 million to Gaza for condoms), which actually went on two field hospitals that were treating 33,000 patients a month. But hey.
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« Reply #23995 on: February 24, 2025, 07:49:03 AM »
Well I do think some worthwhile things are being cut. PREPFAR has been very successful and I hope it is not permanently defunded, same with polio vaccines. I know there are still pockets of polio in places (Afghanistan?). I watched something a few years ago where an org was trying to convince people to get the vaccine.



This guy used to have infomercials on TV. Apparently he wasn't lying!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23996 on: February 24, 2025, 12:06:21 PM »
Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 24, 2025, 01:46:51 AM

With Maga twats lining up to (not) do Nazi salutes, Herr Trump reading from a Kremlin fact sheet and trashing long standing deals with, and threatening other democracies, and the richest man on the planet making cuts to welfare and jobs across the board in the name of government savings whilst pocketing $8 million per day from said governments coffers, are there any Americans that either through voting for, or not voting against, think they might have dropped the ball?

My, God.  This claim actually seems to check out.

American taxpayers are stumping up 2 BILLION A YEAR (if standard working days) to the world’s richest man to carry out his own Randian wet dream.

Welcome to your new reality, peasants.  Maybe it will “trickle down” to you one day?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23997 on: February 24, 2025, 12:18:19 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 24, 2025, 06:10:40 AM
While I am worried about the chaos, I am very interested to see all the weird little things crumbling without the money from USAID.
Apparently alot of little projects in Gaza are funded by USAID. Things like fixing the water pipes and running new power lines.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23998 on: February 24, 2025, 02:49:14 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on February 24, 2025, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 24, 2025, 06:10:40 AM
While I am worried about the chaos, I am very interested to see all the weird little things crumbling without the money from USAID.
Apparently alot of little projects in Gaza are funded by USAID. Things like fixing the water pipes and running new power lines.





when things crumble.... people die.










Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 24, 2025, 07:49:03 AM
Well I do think some worthwhile things are being cut. PREPFAR has been very successful and I hope it is not permanently defunded, same with polio vaccines. I know there are still pockets of polio in places (Afghanistan?). I watched something a few years ago where an org was trying to convince people to get the vaccine.

This guy used to have infomercials on TV. Apparently he wasn't lying!



a wrong clock is right twice a day.
to call any progress successful would be like....i dunno, "injecting bleach into my veins to kill covid"
sure
got rid of the waste.
but...ya
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23999 on: February 24, 2025, 03:15:34 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on February 24, 2025, 02:49:14 PM

a wrong clock is right twice a day.
to call any progress successful would be like....i dunno, "injecting bleach into my veins to kill covid"
sure
got rid of the waste.
but...ya

I'm gonna need the kabool translator.
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