The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Karadan on April 13, 2007, 10:56:44 AM
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Hello, i am Karadan and i'm new. I just found this site by accident and feel i must put a few observations forward.
I've just spent the best part of two hours reading the posts contained within this site and feel i have found a convenient correlation with the people who are 'FE'.
Religion.
I shall explain.
It seems to me the believers in the FE theory are the kind of people who blindly side with an assumption because someone authoritative (in their eyes) has told them that this is fact. It has been happening for centuries and will continue to do so. It is a common trait for people to side with an assumption if it fits snugly with their world view. Deeply religious? Then maybe the world must be flat afterall. Suicide bombers believe totally that they are right when causing so much devastation but we all know they are wrong, don't we? In this regard i believe trying to debate that the world is infact round with FE theorists to be as useless as trying to persuade a suicide bomber that blowing up innocent people is atrociously wrong.
It is a strange tendency for deeply religious people to retreat inwardly when confronted with unequivocal proof going against the grain of their belief, especially if that belief was reenforced by parents or mother/father figures. Unfortunately these beliefs are often very outdated and the rest of the world has moved on. Because of this, and the deep rooted opinions these people have, they will flatly refuse to acknowledge any counter argument even if it glares them in the face. The ability for some humans to completely disregard reality because their peers told them to do so gets in the way of social progression and evolution. Example: Catholics not being allowed to use contraception... I wonder how many unwanted babies are out there and how many VD's have been communicated because of this incredible inability for people to think for themselves.
I just thank my lucky stars that the FE theory isn't widely accepted, because if it was, we'd still be in the dark ages.
To all the FE theorists who are NOT religious in any way, please post and tell me. I will look forward to what you've got to say. Also, i'd like to know if any of the FE theorists here work within the scientific community.
I'd like to thank the rational people on this site for applying well formulated scientific arguments to counter the FE theory. Unfortunately i believe it to be a futile effort. People displaying the FE school of thought seem to be as malleable as a diamond. I just hope this site is one big joke, and that in a few months time everyone will be laughing at the scientists here for thinking that people could actually be so exasperatingly backward.
I hope the above isn't considered 'blasphemous' as the last Christian forum i tried to debate in ended with my account getting banned within minutes.
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Wow. Fucking brilliantly well said. The first beer I crack tonight is in your honor karadan.
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Just to bump it back up to the top. :)
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well said Karadan.
couldn't help but notice that no FE'rs have replied.
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You must be lonely and sad, being a heretic and all, Karadan!
You have my sympathies. Maybe some day you'll come to understand the truth. Then you can learn what it is to be happy!
Cheers, mate!
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well said Karadan.
couldn't help but notice that no FE'rs have replied.
I doubt they will, at least none of them will profess to being athiest - i'm sure.
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Almost all the FE'ers on this site are atheists. So...there goes your theory.
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Almost all the FE'ers on this site are atheists. So...there goes your theory.
Sure, "almost all". Anyhows, the Earth being flat is what the FE'ers believe. Nothing more than a belief, regardless it's from some religion or not. For the atheists, they should reconsider religion, as they're already stepping into beliefs without supportive evidence now.
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Did you see the peer reviewed evidence provided by Samuel Birley Robotham in Earth Not a Globe and the rest of the Flat Earth Literature?
There are hundreds of pieces of evidence that support a Flat Earth.
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It seems to me the believers in the FE theory are the kind of people who blindly side with an assumption because someone authoritative (in their eyes) has told them that this is fact.
Most people are taught from an early age that the world is round... I would think the opposite to be true. Besides, I'm pretty sure nearly all religions have accepted the world to be round by this point. Magellan sailed around the world to prove it was round and there wasn't too much controversy from the church about it. Speaking of which, what do the Flat Earthies say about Magellan anyway? Is he part of the conspiracy too?
Of course he was... Didn't you know that? Every scientist or person who claimed that the Earth is round is in on it. Even from a few thousand years back when the Greeks figured it out. That's where it started you know. And somehow, I believe that it was a time machine, all of them worked together to prove the Earth is round, All the Greeks who made it up, Aristotle, Galileo, Einstein, Magellan, and Merlock the wizard (He created the time machine) They all met on the ice wall for tea every three years to discus how they should mislead the world for no reason.
So you see, it all makes sence; the flatness, the psudo-force acceleration gravity, the ice wall, the magic, the stuff that doesn't make any sence (Even to a stoner) all if it is true.
And if you think all I've said is what I really think, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Almost all the FE'ers on this site are atheists. So...there goes your theory.
I think he got points here.
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Did you see the peer reviewed evidence provided by Samuel Birley Robotham in Earth Not a Globe and the rest of the Flat Earth Literature?
There are hundreds of pieces of evidence that support a Flat Earth.
Unfortunately...99% has been shown to be crap.
1% is just so utterly ridiculous it is impossible to disprove (like the moon giving off "dark light".......right)
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lol
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You must be lonely and sad, being a heretic and all, Karadan!
You have my sympathies. Maybe some day you'll come to understand the truth. Then you can learn what it is to be happy!
Cheers, mate!
I don't need or want your sympathy. I don't even need to reveal my loneliness and sadness to you, not because i have any, but because all the people who read this (the rational ones anyway) will realise that i am a well rounded, contented and balanced individual. I fear it must be you who is lonely and sad to hold such a depressing ideology so closely.
People like you scare me. I've met people like you before and you all share the same common trait - what i like to call 'marble eye'.. It is as if someone has replaced your real eyes with silvery marbles. I've seen preachers with it. Jehovas witnesses have it. Catholic priests possess it. Even Tony Blair has it. It is where a mind has been so warped by a belief which goes against the grain of rational thought and reality that our bodies literally react to it at a cellular level - creating an almost imperceptible silvery sheen over the iris. The eyes are the window to the soul and you people definitely have that window totally polarised. It is as if the genetics of the body has induced a counter-measure to ensure other biological entities are unable to see the cess-pit residing underneath the insidious facade of your true self.
If happiness is being blind, then you need glasses. I'm quite happy being able to see, and from here, the clarity is amazing.
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Almost all the FE'ers on this site are atheists. So...there goes your theory.
Who?
I want to speak to them.
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Yeah, and Engineer, when did you become Official Religious Spokesman for the FE'rs on this site?
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I myself believe in a Flat Earth not because of religion, but as a result of my own observations, experiments, and scientific proofs. I'm an atheist who came to the conclusion of a Flat Earth because it makes vastly more scientific sense than a Round Earth. I hold a ~ Redacted By Administration ~ from ~ Redacted By Administration ~.
There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth.
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There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth
Which are........?
There is NO observation that could only occur becuase of a Flat Earth. All the FE'rs have are observations that work with RE model, and then they hijack them, smash the crap out them and stick them together with some bad quality wood glue to explain how it is slightly possible they make work now for the FE.
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I myself believe in a Flat Earth not because of religion, but as a result of my own observations, experiments, and scientific proofs. I'm an atheist who came to the conclusion of a Flat Earth because it makes much more scientific sense than a Round Earth. I hold a ~ Redacted By Administration ~ from ~ Redacted By Administration ~.
There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth.
Then you have my respect for sticking to your conclusions. Your are wrong, of course.
Your observatons are?
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I myself believe in a Flat Earth not because of religion, but as a result of my own observations, experiments, and scientific proofs. I'm an atheist who came to the conclusion of a Flat Earth because it makes vastly more scientific sense than a Round Earth. I hold a ~ Redacted By Administration ~.
There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth.
You're not an atheist, or a scientist. You're a piece of furniture.
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I myself believe in a Flat Earth not because of religion, but as a result of my own observations, experiments, and scientific proofs. I'm an atheist who came to the conclusion of a Flat Earth because it makes vastly more scientific sense than a Round Earth. I hold a ~ Redacted By Administration ~.
There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth.
Sure, things like optical illusions of the earth's curvature from out of space. This can only be done with a flat earth..uh huh.. I so very believe you Tommy.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=12491.0
Tom Bishop getting owned, A G A I N.
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Your observatons are?
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You are so hilarious without wanting to be. That is a gift, Tom.
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Perhaps it was an optical illusion that you could see them, Tom?
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Perhaps, perhaps.
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I do not believe you.
I've stood on the shore of Larnica in Cyprus and looked across the bay to Dhekelia with binoculars. I wasn't able to see the surf breaking on the sand at the other side because of the curvature of the earth. The distance was only 7 miles.
Where did you buy your masters from??
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Wow... I find it kinda hard to believe you measured all of this for no apparent reason. I mean when I go to the beach, I kinda focus on having fun, maybe even fly a kite or something, now you on the other hand have to go and measure everything instead of having a life. All this just to 'prove' something on a board that didnt exist until today. You depress me Tom... What with all the nonsencical stuff you say.
Now run along, you little scamp :)
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Toms an accountant with a doctorate in Geology, Physics, Chemistry, and Astronomy. Thats why he knows everything. Thats also why his opinions disprove facts.
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Toms an accountant with a doctorate in Geology, Physics, Chemistry, and Astronomy. Thats why he knows everything. Thats also why his opinions disprove facts.
I am making that my sig. Beautiful. :o
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Oh, and by the way, the distance from Dover to Calais across the channel in the UK is 20 miles. on ONLY the clearest of clear days are you able to see the french shoreline from the cliffs of dover (i know, i live near there). I would need a high-powered telescope to actually see people from that far away.
Your figure of 33 miles is complete BS i'm afraid, especially through binoculars.. Sorry but your scientific ineptitude does not lend credence to your other FE buddies.
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Credence. LOL. As if. That's all I am saying. As if. LOL!
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Oh, and by the way, the distance from Dover to Calais across the channel in the UK is 20 miles. on ONLY the clearest of clear days are you able to see the french shoreline from the cliffs of dover (i know, i live near there). I would need a high-powered telescope to actually see people from that far away.
Atoms are not transparent. And thus, the atmosphere is not perfectly transparent. After a certain point into the distance air density becomes clouded to the point it completely obscures objects beyond it. Viewing distance into the horizon is directly correlated with pressure, gas constant, temperature, humidity, and pollution. At sea level in a particulatly pristine environment like the Monterey Bay area the average air density is 1.2250 kg/m3. This sort of density will allow a viewing distance of around 30 miles across the horizon. In New York pollution and humidity are so high that viewing distance is limited to about 14 miles.
Therefore, the limit of your view at the horizon varies depending on your location, the time of year, and the surrounding atmosphere. Just because you can't see past 20 miles in your area does not mean that I can't. In fact, at very unique places like the Arctic circle the temperature and air density is so low that it is possible to see upwards of a hundred miles.
On the top of Mt. Everest, temperature and air density drops so sharply that an observer can actually see other mountains hundreds of miles away.
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You can't pick and choose your optical illusions Tom! First it's obscuring the shore, then it's making the whole atmosphere a fish eye lense! It magically magnifies the sun, then puts the horizon line below the horizon. It's amazing what you can do with "pressure, gas constant, temperature, humidity, and pollution".
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Oh, and by the way, the distance from Dover to Calais across the channel in the UK is 20 miles. on ONLY the clearest of clear days are you able to see the french shoreline from the cliffs of dover (i know, i live near there). I would need a high-powered telescope to actually see people from that far away.
Atoms are not transparent. And thus, the atmosphere is not perfectly transparent. After a certain point into the distance air density becomes clouded to the point it completely obscures objects beyond it. Viewing distance into the horizon is directly correlated with pressure, gas constant, temperature, humidity, and pollution. At sea level in a particulatly pristine environment like the Monterey Bay area the average air density is 1.2250 kg/m3. This sort of density will allow a viewing distance of around 30 miles across the horizon. In New York pollution and humidity are so high that viewing distance is limited to about 14 miles.
Therefore, the limit of your view at the horizon varies depending on your location, the time of year, and the surrounding atmosphere. Just because you can't see past 20 miles in your area does not mean that I can't. In fact, at very unique places like the Arctic circle the temperature and air density is so low that it is possible to see upwards of a hundred miles.
On the top of Mt. Everest, temperature and air density drops so sharply that it is possible to see mountains hundreds of miles away.
Here (http://i19.tinypic.com/4dbukjo.jpg) is a unzoomed picture I took from the edge of Lovers Point, looking in the direction of Lighthouse Beach. As you can see, on the day of this picture the atmosphere was pristine enough to see the opposite coast 30 miles distant. On most days the coast is hidden by the fog of the atmosphere.
Nice job in Photoshop, you do it yourself or did a third grade graduate do it?
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I don't think it's photoshopped, but that shoreline is probably about 3 miles away or something. It's not evidence anyways...
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Are you sure, that from where you are standing, it's 30 miles??? It looks a lot less than that.
Furthermore - where are you getting your figure for 8 inches per mile? Sounds like a lot.
On the top of Mt. Everest, temperature and air density drops so sharply that it is possible to see mountains hundreds of miles away.
And you can also see the curvature of the earth....
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Your observatons are?
I live along the California Monterey Bay. It is a relatively long bay that sits next to the Pacific Ocean. The exact distance between the extremes of the Monterey Bay, Lovers Point in Pacific Grove and Lighthouse State Beach in Santa Cruz, is 33.4 statute miles.
On a very clear and chilly day it is possible to see Lighthouse Beach from Lovers Point and vice versa. With a good set of binoculars, standing on the Lovers Point beach 10 inches above sea level it is possible to see people at the waters edge on the adjacent beach 33 miles away. Since the supposed curvature of the Rround Earth inclines at 8 inches per mile, this should not be possible. There should be a bulge of water twenty feet tall blocking my view.
Is that your idea of fun? going to the beach to look at people on lovers point with binoculars? I hope you're stealthy about it. If not, I would've walked 33.4 statute miles to kick you in the face, personally. But back to the sciency bit, you must live on a seperate, tiny planet from us to get 8 inches per mile. 8 miles per inch, perhaps.
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I don't think it's photoshopped, but that shoreline is probably about 3 miles away or something. It's not evidence anyways...
I second that. Not to mention the drop using 8 inchs per mile would be 20 feet. You are clearly above the water line. Maybe even 20 feet.