The Flat Earth Society
The Flat Earth Society => Suggestions & Concerns => Topic started by: Catchpa on April 28, 2010, 10:22:35 AM
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... locking someone COMPLETELY out of the site when banned?
I know I could just use proxies to get around it, but it seems pretty pointless to stop you from viewing anything at all. No forum I know of does this, and second of all you didn't even provide any details on how you might contact the mod, in case you wish to complain about your ban.
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This is true, actually. I got briefly banned, which was an error on a mod's behalf, and the only way I could get it lifted was through IRC. If somebody doesn't know about IRC, there's no way of getting back, apart from sitting it out, which is a problem if it's a permaban....
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We've had issues with people replacing their signatures with porn, thus making all their previous posts filled with porn.
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Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
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Why can't you ban people by just turning off their option to post and have a sig?
Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
"Oh, hey my ban was totally unjustified." - "Ah yeah, you're right. I'll unban yo--.. waaaiit a minute. You're not banned anymore!??!"
That's a horrible horrible logic, Wilmore. That's not how complaining works. You dont wait till after your penalty, you complain to prevent as much of it as possible.
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To be fair Willy gives lots of people warnings and chances.
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I'm not saying otherwise. There's even an example in this forum about someone unjustified banned, or at least had good reasons to complain - but he couldn't.
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Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
"Oh, hey my ban was totally unjustified." - "Ah yeah, you're right. I'll unban yo--.. waaaiit a minute. You're not banned anymore!??!"
That's a horrible horrible logic, Wilmore. That's not how complaining works. You dont wait till after your penalty, you complain to prevent as much of it as possible.
Because this is not a democracy, but a privately owned website and you don't have rights. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
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Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
"Oh, hey my ban was totally unjustified." - "Ah yeah, you're right. I'll unban yo--.. waaaiit a minute. You're not banned anymore!??!"
That's a horrible horrible logic, Wilmore. That's not how complaining works. You dont wait till after your penalty, you complain to prevent as much of it as possible.
Because this is not a democracy, but a privately owned website and you don't have rights. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
theflatearthsociety.org >> The Flat Earth Society >> Suggestions & Concerns
For any suggestions or problems you may have related to the forums or site.
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Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
"Oh, hey my ban was totally unjustified." - "Ah yeah, you're right. I'll unban yo--.. waaaiit a minute. You're not banned anymore!??!"
That's a horrible horrible logic, Wilmore. That's not how complaining works. You dont wait till after your penalty, you complain to prevent as much of it as possible.
Because this is not a democracy, but a privately owned website and you don't have rights. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
theflatearthsociety.org >> The Flat Earth Society >> Suggestions & Concerns
For any suggestions or problems you may have related to the forums or site.
Why did you quote my reply?
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Because
'Post your suggestions and concerns here!'
'I have a problem wi-'
'.. this is not a democracy, but a privately owned website and you don't have rights. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.'
Is all very silly.
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How so?
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I am suggesting that they change it, and concerned about how I believe it's not justified. You're not too bright, really.
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How so?
By having a 'Suggestions and Concerns' forum, it is implied that they are willing to consider the opinions of members.
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Actually, it's you who's not bright. Just because you want it changed, it does not mean it will happen. You stated your suggestion or concern. They read it. It's entirely up to them to decide on it.
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You stated your suggestion or concern. They read it. It's entirely up to them to decide on it.
That's correct. I still don't yet see why you've actually posted in this thread.
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You stated your suggestion or concern. They read it. It's entirely up to them to decide on it.
That's correct. I still don't yet see why you've actually posted in this thread.
So what? I don't have to justify my actions before you.
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You stated your suggestion or concern. They read it. It's entirely up to them to decide on it.
That's correct. I still don't yet see why you've actually posted in this thread.
So what? I don't have to justify my actions before you.
Well, you I suggest you keep quiet in my thread now. No more off-topic from you.
(Don't argue that it's not off topic. That's off topic as well, and if you want to argue about it. You should PM me instead.)
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You stated your suggestion or concern. They read it. It's entirely up to them to decide on it.
That's correct. I still don't yet see why you've actually posted in this thread.
So what? I don't have to justify my actions before you.
Well, you I suggest you keep quiet in my thread now. No more off-topic from you.
(Don't argue that it's not off topic. That's off topic as well, and if you want to argue about it. You should PM me instead.)
Just because you started a thread, does not make it yours. People can still post in it. If you do not like the issues raised against your logic, you can delete this nonsensical thread.
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Why can't you ban people by just turning off their option to post and have a sig?
Yeah, you have to understand that not everybody comes here and plays nice. What's more, if you want to complain about your ban, you can do so when you return. Unless you do something totally out of line, it won't be a long one.
"Oh, hey my ban was totally unjustified." - "Ah yeah, you're right. I'll unban yo--.. waaaiit a minute. You're not banned anymore!??!"
That's a horrible horrible logic, Wilmore. That's not how complaining works. You dont wait till after your penalty, you complain to prevent as much of it as possible.
Our goal is not to facilitate moaning. First off, if your ban is unjustified, odds are the members are going to pick up on it. You've probably seen enough threads in here to know that this is true.
Secondly, though most sites may not lock you out of the forum when banned, I guarantee you that most sites don't have the kind of review process we do. We have a strict and clear set of guidelines for the enforcement of the rules, and moderators cannot issue bans which do not match the appropriate punishment as given in the guidelines. Furthermore, all bans are logged in the mod board, along with the length and reason for the ban, so we're always aware of the action other mods make. We constantly review each others decisions and whether they conform wth the guidelines or not, and you simply don't get this kind of scrutiny and accountability on most forums.
If the members aren't saying anything, and the mods aren't saying anything, then your ban is almost certainly justified, in which case you have no reason or cause to complain. If I feel a ban is uncalled for or of inordinate length, I will say so in the mod board, and frankly nothing other than the support of a majority in the mod board is going to see your ban lifted or reduced. If you want access to the PM system just so you can let off steam, then I suggest taking up kick-boxing or Karate. I certainly do not intend to have running arguments via PM with every member we ban.
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It's not every member you ban. Not everyone will complain about it, and I assure you that if I would've complained about mine I'd have found my way.
By the way, other members can't pick up on your ban when there's no public announcement about it, and the offending post(s) are deleted.
Why is viewing the forum still prohibited when banned?
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It's not every member you ban.
Exactly! Think about it.
By the way, other members can't pick up on your ban when there's no public announcement about it, and the offending post(s) are deleted.
They would if you'd mattered.
Why is viewing the forum still prohibited when banned?
Because that's how the moderating staff of this website had decided.
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By the way, other members can't pick up on your ban when there's no public announcement about it, and the offending post(s) are deleted.
They would if you'd mattered.
I'm not 100% sure why you're being such a prick.
I was banned without warning for 'using a proxy'. I'd done nothing of the sort, and I straightened it out via IRC. I wasn't told how long my ban was; the information I was given was 'proxy.'.
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Why can't you ban people by just turning off their option to post and have a sig?
I don't believe it is within the forum software. I would manually add this to the code but I don't have the power, and Daniel plans on upgrading at some point anyways.
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I was banned without warning for 'using a proxy'. I'd done nothing of the sort, and I straightened it out via IRC. I wasn't told how long my ban was; the information I was given was 'proxy.'.
So? It's not up to the moderating stuff to familiarize every single member with the rules of the site. Not knowing them does not make you not subject to them.
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I was banned without warning for 'using a proxy'. I'd done nothing of the sort, and I straightened it out via IRC. I wasn't told how long my ban was; the information I was given was 'proxy.'.
So? It's not up to the moderating stuff to familiarize every single member with the rules of the site. Not knowing them does not make you not subject to them.
http://www.rif.org/ (http://www.rif.org/)
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This is a load of irony.
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Also, dongs.
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Why is viewing the forum still prohibited when banned?
It is because (1) there is no rule against banning members completely from the forums and (2) Daniel has not expressed any disagreements with it. As parsec said, this is generally how we moderate.
I understand why you brought this up, but I am afraid to say that this method has worked well for the Flat Earth Society so far. It is more or less a tradition. Other message boards may run differently; however, the FES is not the same as the other message boards, and we do not necessarily conform to the same standards. As Wilmore said, we have our own set of guidelines agreed upon by the administration.
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How come when I was a mod these excuses wouldn't fly, but now they're being flung around left and right?
Fuck it, why do I bother...
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How come when I was a mod these excuses wouldn't fly, but now they're being flung around left and right?
Fuck it, why do I bother...
cause you were a lousy mod who placed his ego in front of enforcing the rules.
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I was banned without warning for 'using a proxy'. I'd done nothing of the sort, and I straightened it out via IRC. I wasn't told how long my ban was; the information I was given was 'proxy.'.
The problem I have.
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I was banned without warning for 'using a proxy'. I'd done nothing of the sort, and I straightened it out via IRC. I wasn't told how long my ban was; the information I was given was 'proxy.'.
The problem I have.
What happened to you should not have happened, and was a bit of a fluke. Someone obviously thought they were banning a proxy, and banned the wrong IP or something.
I'll try and think of some kind of 'middle way', but ultimately I'm constrained by the software and the number of idiots we get at this forum. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
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I guarantee you that most sites don't have the kind of review process we do.
You're not in a position to make such a guarantee.
We have a strict and clear set of guidelines for the enforcement of the rules, and moderators cannot issue bans which do not match the appropriate punishment as given in the guidelines.
Lets see those guidelines.
If the members aren't saying anything, and the mods aren't saying anything, then your ban is almost certainly justified, in which case you have no reason or cause to complain.
Sounds like guilt by default. That's a winning system! :thumbsup:
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I have enough experience of internet forums to make a fair assessment, and if you have a problem with the specific phrasing used, you can take it elsewhere. This board is for genuine issues.
As for your 'guilty by default' comment, there is an impartial review process in place, and members are welcome to raise any genuine concerns in this board. Aside from being given the right to decide if you're guilty, I'm not sure how much fairer and remain practical.
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I have enough experience of internet forums to make a fair assessment
No you don't. Unless you're a mod on most sites. Bombastic statements don't impress.
As for your 'guilty by default' comment, there is an impartial review process in place, and members are welcome to raise any genuine concerns in this board.
This has nothing to do with your statement "If the members aren't saying anything, and the mods aren't saying anything, then your ban is almost certainly justified".
Members cannot raise genuine concerns once banned. There is a good chance that regular members will not know that a member has been banned, so won't say anything. And mods rarely say anything due to the high levels of incompetence in the system already.
Status quo is established.
There is no review process. Impartial or otherwise.
For example, I raised a thread about my last ban. It was filled with spam by other members and then closed. By you. You ended with a threat; "further offences in the near future will result in a significantly larger ban"
Perhaps you should add to the rules that raising queries about bans is a bannable offence.
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I have enough experience of internet forums to make a fair assessment
No you don't. Unless you're a mod on most sites. Bombastic statements don't impress.
As for your 'guilty by default' comment, there is an impartial review process in place, and members are welcome to raise any genuine concerns in this board.
This has nothing to do with your statement "If the members aren't saying anything, and the mods aren't saying anything, then your ban is almost certainly justified".
Members cannot raise genuine concerns once banned. There is a good chance that regular members will not know that a member has been banned, so won't say anything. And mods rarely say anything due to the high levels of incompetence in the system already.
Status quo is established.
There is no review process. Impartial or otherwise.
For example, I raised a thread about my last ban. It was filled with spam by other members and then closed. By you. You ended with a threat; "further offences in the near future will result in a significantly larger ban"
Perhaps you should add to the rules that raising queries about bans is a bannable offence.
They can email us or contact us via .net as much of the moderation team here is also moderators or members there. Other options include contacting Daniel, contacting us via aim, facebook, and contacting us through other members.
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They can email us or contact us via .net as much of the moderation team here is also moderators or members there.
The .net site has nothing to do with this one.
Plus it's a graveyard filled with spam.
Can't issues be resolved within the forum?
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They can email us or contact us via .net as much of the moderation team here is also moderators or members there. Other options include contacting Daniel, contacting us via aim, facebook, and contacting us through other members.
Well, no. Not really. Being banned makes it impossible to contact anyone. You leave no contact deatils.
You should be allowed to protest your ban AND see the forum once banned. Even if it's not possible, do you agree it should be? It's possible to update the forum software, you know.
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They can email us or contact us via .net as much of the moderation team here is also moderators or members there. Other options include contacting Daniel, contacting us via aim, facebook, and contacting us through other members.
Well, no. Not really. Being banned makes it impossible to contact anyone. You leave no contact deatils.
You should be allowed to protest your ban AND see the forum once banned. Even if it's not possible, do you agree it should be? It's possible to update the forum software, you know.
I agree it would be nice to have suggestions and concerns available to the banned in a perfect world but its not feasible software wise currently and it likely would be abused.
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I think maybe a simple solution would be to include an admin's email within the ban message.
For example,
Sorry Ichi,
you have been banned for posting naked pictures of yourself. Your ban is for 1 day. Contact [admin name]@FES.org if further explanation is desired.
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In fairness I can now the the problem. 85% of bans would result in either an email flame-war, or a farewell
FUCK YOU
*PORN*
*PORN*
*PORN*
post
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I agree it would be nice to have suggestions and concerns available to the banned in a perfect world but its not feasible software wise currently and it likely would be abused.
Nope. No more than the contact details you already proposed would be abused.
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If it's abused, ban the offender for good. If not, don't let the abuser harm the innocent.
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I think maybe a simple solution would be to include an admin's email within the ban message.
For example,
Sorry Ichi,
you have been banned for posting naked pictures of yourself. Your ban is for 1 day. Contact [admin name]@FES.org if further explanation is desired.
I like this idea. I'll suggest it in the admin forums.
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I agree it would be nice to have suggestions and concerns available to the banned in a perfect world but its not feasible software wise currently and it likely would be abused.
Nope. No more than the contact details you already proposed would be abused.
Being such an expert in law you should know how to contact your state's AG and begin the process of a class action lawsuit to "make you whole" again for any unjust ban. You should make yourself the point man for all other members in your state so that they can be included in the suit. Don't forget about the emotional distress of others impacted by your ban.
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Don't forget about the emotional distress of others impacted by your ban.
I don't want to complain about my ban, I want to complain that I was unable to see Crustinator for a week.
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Don't forget about the emotional distress of others impacted by your ban.
I don't want to complain about my ban, I want to complain that I was unable to see Crustinator for a week.
samefag
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I have enough experience of internet forums to make a fair assessment
No you don't. Unless you're a mod on most sites. Bombastic statements don't impress.
Stop ignoring the bits of my posts which show why you're wrong. This board is not a playground. It's a place for members to express genuine concerns. The meaning of my statement was perfectly obvious, so stop being an ass or face a ban.
This has nothing to do with your statement "If the members aren't saying anything, and the mods aren't saying anything, then your ban is almost certainly justified".
Members cannot raise genuine concerns once banned. There is a good chance that regular members will not know that a member has been banned, so won't say anything. And mods rarely say anything due to the high levels of incompetence in the system already.
Status quo is established.
There is no review process. Impartial or otherwise.
"There is no review process. Impartial or otherwise."
This statement is untrue.
For example, I raised a thread about my last ban. It was filled with spam by other members and then closed. By you. You ended with a threat; "further offences in the near future will result in a significantly larger ban"
Perhaps you should add to the rules that raising queries about bans is a bannable offence.
This board is for raising genuine suggestions and concerns, not being an ass for the sake of it. You didn't even attempt to make a case for yourself, and were obviously more interested in being a troll than actually disputing your ban in any meaningful way.
Catchpa has a concern, and he has raised it in a critical yet civil manner. He is drawing our attention to an aspect of the board which he feels needs attention, and we will try to address the issue within the scope of the forum software and the practical realities of running this place. His queries are totally reasonable, and I welcome his input. Likewise, many others dispute bans without invoking any kind of rebuke from the moderating team, so that clearly isn't the issue here. I believe that the difference between their criticisms and yours is obvious to anyone, and that you're really just here to get a reaction.
In short, your intentions are clear, and I will not hesitate to ban you for abusing this board, which is here for the use of members who actually have something to say. Either contribute properly, or stay out.
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If you haven't lurked enough to find out how to contact people despite a ban, you shuoldn't have made an account.
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If you haven't lurked enough to find out how to contact people despite a ban, you shuoldn't have made an account.
Maybe you keep documents on your pc with contact details to your favorite FES mods, but the vast majority don't - and shouldn't be expected to either.
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Being such an expert in law...
...is irrelevant to this thread.
Stop ignoring the bits of my posts which show why you're wrong. This board is not a playground. It's a place for members to express genuine concerns. The meaning of my statement was perfectly obvious, so stop being an ass or face a ban.
Nothing in your post showed why I was wrong. My post was genuine and sincere. Your inability to deal with it in a proper and mature way only highlights the problems you have here at TFES.
I've "made cases" on the previous occasions when I've been unjustly banned. It's the same old story: Wilmore/James/John Davis post something dumb and then as a consequence get shown why it's dumb. Rather than having to acknowledge this you (as a review panel collective) opt for the ban. There is no "review panel" other than...
"That guy was an ass to me"
"Yeah, he was. I was definitely molested by conspiracy goats. He had no right to challenge me."
"OK well I already banned him anyway"
"Oh good"
I'm not objecting to the fact that run your board like this. Hell it's your square of the precious internez and you are allowed to piss on who you like. But don't pretend you have any kind of virtuous and just system.
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How come when I was a mod these excuses wouldn't fly, but now they're being flung around left and right?
Fuck it, why do I bother...
cause you were a lousy mod who placed his ego in front of enforcing the rules.
Oh I get it. So if your ego and rule enforcement are equal (high, low, medium, hot, cold, etc), then it's ok.
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How come when I was a mod these excuses wouldn't fly, but now they're being flung around left and right?
Fuck it, why do I bother...
cause you were a lousy mod who placed his ego in front of enforcing the rules.
Oh I get it. So if your ego and rule enforcement are equal (high, low, medium, hot, cold, etc), then it's ok.
No, I'm afraid you don't.
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They can email us or contact us via .net as much of the moderation team here is also moderators or members there. Other options include contacting Daniel, contacting us via aim, facebook, and contacting us through other members.
Well, no. Not really. Being banned makes it impossible to contact anyone. You leave no contact deatils.
You should be allowed to protest your ban AND see the forum once banned. Even if it's not possible, do you agree it should be? It's possible to update the forum software, you know.
I agree it would be nice to have suggestions and concerns available to the banned in a perfect world but its not feasible software wise currently and it likely would be abused.
phpBB3 has this system. Who suggested using phpBB3 a while back? Me.
Also, as a former mod, Crustinator, you're pretty correct in your statements. I don't understand why Willmore and John are trying to cloud that fact. But seriously, let it the fuck go already. They aren't going to give in, no matter how right you may be.
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How come when I was a mod these excuses wouldn't fly, but now they're being flung around left and right?
Fuck it, why do I bother...
cause you were a lousy mod who placed his ego in front of enforcing the rules.
Oh I get it. So if your ego and rule enforcement are equal (high, low, medium, hot, cold, etc), then it's ok.
No, I'm afraid you don't.
Well, that seems to be how it's going. Oh well.
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If you haven't lurked enough to find out how to contact people despite a ban, you shuoldn't have made an account.
Maybe you keep documents on your pc with contact details to your favorite FES mods, but the vast majority don't - and shouldn't be expected to either.
The vast majority of non-newfags know any of the numerous ways to contact the moderators without the forums.
IRC, AIM, MSN, Yahoon, ICQ, e-mail, and Facebook, to name a few.
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Yahoon
I don't know how to contact anyone through Yahoon.
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If you haven't lurked enough to find out how to contact people despite a ban, you shuoldn't have made an account.
Maybe you keep documents on your pc with contact details to your favorite FES mods, but the vast majority don't - and shouldn't be expected to either.
The vast majority of non-newfags know any of the numerous ways to contact the moderators without the forums.
IRC, AIM, MSN, Yahoon, ICQ, e-mail, and Facebook, to name a few.
No they don't. I got more than 300 posts now, and I have yet to see any contact details for any mod. I don't know how to use IRC, Yahoo, ICQ and all FE'ers are too afraid to reveal their own identity, meaning Facebook is not an option either. That leaves me with MSN and Aim(e-mail is merged with both). At this point I still don't have the contact details.
Though you seem to have missed my point, I'll highlight it.
but the vast majority don't - and shouldn't be expected to either.
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all FE'ers are too afraid to reveal their own identity, meaning Facebook is not an option either.
Wat? Try joining the FES facebook group, you'll see lots of FE'ers on there, not afraid to reveal their identities. Its not our fault you're too lazy to find ways to contact mods. Or you can take the initiative and note down a mod's email address now in case you are banned in the future, I'm sure I'm not the only one to have their email address listed on their profile.
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Stop ignoring the bits of my posts which show why you're wrong. This board is not a playground. It's a place for members to express genuine concerns. The meaning of my statement was perfectly obvious, so stop being an ass or face a ban.
Nothing in your post showed why I was wrong. My post was genuine and sincere. Your inability to deal with it in a proper and mature way only highlights the problems you have here at TFES.
I've "made cases" on the previous occasions when I've been unjustly banned. It's the same old story: Wilmore/James/John Davis post something dumb and then as a consequence get shown why it's dumb. Rather than having to acknowledge this you (as a review panel collective) opt for the ban. There is no "review panel" other than...
"That guy was an ass to me"
"Yeah, he was. I was definitely molested by conspiracy goats. He had no right to challenge me."
"OK well I already banned him anyway"
"Oh good"
I'm not objecting to the fact that run your board like this. Hell it's your square of the precious internez and you are allowed to piss on who you like. But don't pretend you have any kind of virtuous and just system.
How can you possibly know any of this, given that these discussions take place in the mod board? The answer is that you can't, and that you're making all of this up despite the fact that you have no idea what goes on. There is a review process, and we do scrutinize each others decisions, something that can easily be proved. You get banned because you continually break the rules, and continually ignore warnings to stop doing so. Just about everyone here agrees that you're a troll, so the idea that it's just me and John ganging up on you is totally ridiculous.
Also, as a former mod, Crustinator, you're pretty correct in your statements. I don't understand why Willmore and John are trying to cloud that fact. But seriously, let it the fuck go already. They aren't going to give in, no matter how right you may be.
I'm glad you brought this up Hara, because "as a former mod" you actually prove that a review process exists. You consistently made poor decisions, whether banning people for no good reason or just breaking the rules yourself. You are the main reason that the Rule Enforcement Guidelines were created, and furthermore, you actually argued against bringing them in! Not only that, but the main reason you were demodded was because of your seeming inability to moderate in accordance with those guidelines.
Given all that, I think it's extremely dishonest of you to tell Crusty that he's "pretty correct" in his assertion that there is no review process, when a) you actively argued against the introduction of the guidelines b) some of your decisions were reversed or modified after scrutiny by other mods, and c) your demotion was largely caused by your inability to conform to the new, explicit guidelines that I brought in.
No they don't. I got more than 300 posts now, and I have yet to see any contact details for any mod. I don't know how to use IRC, Yahoo, ICQ and all FE'ers are too afraid to reveal their own identity, meaning Facebook is not an option either. That leaves me with MSN and Aim(e-mail is merged with both). At this point I still don't have the contact details.
Though you seem to have missed my point, I'll highlight it.
but the vast majority don't - and shouldn't be expected to either.
We're discussing a way of enabling members to contact the administration if they're unable to access the site and don't know why, but I don't think it'll change anything in terms of disuputing bans, so don't get your hopes up. As I said earlier, we already log and review all bans issued.
Incidentally, I don't know what you mean by "FE'ers are too afraid to reveal their own identity, meaning Facebook is not an option either". The FES has a Facebook page, which is regularly advertised at the top of the forum (in other words, it's not our fault if you don't know it exists). Several mods (including myself) admin the page, and I regularly post there, so please check your facts before making such inaccurate statements.
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Its not our fault you're too lazy to find ways to contact mods. Or you can take the initiative and note down a mod's email address now in case you are banned in the future, I'm sure I'm not the only one to have their email address listed on their profile.
I created a post listing the contact details of all the mods, using the information available freely on this site. This was intended to help people contact the mods in the case of being banned.
The post was deleted.
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Its not our fault you're too lazy to find ways to contact mods. Or you can take the initiative and note down a mod's email address now in case you are banned in the future, I'm sure I'm not the only one to have their email address listed on their profile.
I created a post listing the contact details of all the mods, using the information available freely on this site. This was intended to help people contact the mods in the case of being banned.
The post was deleted.
Its not much use creating a list on here cos if you're banned you can't see it.
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Its not much use creating a list on here cos if you're banned you can't see it.
True. But I thought it was at least a step in the right direction. People can cut and paste it in preparation for the big day. Wilmore seemed to think differently. Oh well.
(Oh and it is possible to set banned members so they can just read the forums and not post, or log in)
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Wat? Try joining the FES facebook group, you'll see lots of FE'ers on there, not afraid to reveal their identities. Its not our fault you're too lazy to find ways to contact mods. Or you can take the initiative and note down a mod's email address now in case you are banned in the future, I'm sure I'm not the only one to have their email address listed on their profile.
I don't see why, in case I get banned for no good reason, that I should have all these notes written down so that I can contact a mod. If one posts and plays by the rules, then gets punished wrongly, they are now shot in the foot because they figured "Hey, I post correctly and don't get in trouble. Why would I need to have the contact info for the mods?"
There's no reason not to see the contacts after ban, at least. I can see how posting in Suggestions after getting a ban would be a bad idea, and would have mods do nothing in here but deleting posts, but I also feel like just clicking the delete button isn't such a time-consuming thing. Real complaints will be kept, spam will be deleted.
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Wat? Try joining the FES facebook group, you'll see lots of FE'ers on there, not afraid to reveal their identities. Its not our fault you're too lazy to find ways to contact mods. Or you can take the initiative and note down a mod's email address now in case you are banned in the future, I'm sure I'm not the only one to have their email address listed on their profile.
I don't see why, in case I get banned for no good reason, that I should have all these notes written down so that I can contact a mod. If one posts and plays by the rules, then gets punished wrongly, they are now shot in the foot because they figured "Hey, I post correctly and don't get in trouble. Why would I need to have the contact info for the mods?"
There's no reason not to see the contacts after ban, at least. I can see how posting in Suggestions after getting a ban would be a bad idea, and would have mods do nothing in here but deleting posts, but I also feel like just clicking the delete button isn't such a time-consuming thing. Real complaints will be kept, spam will be deleted.
I think in future we will be including a contact email address in bans so that people can make genuine complaints if they are banned. We do actually listen to the suggestions people have and try and do something about them. I'm just teasing Crusty about the contact info cos he is a silly troll.
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I think in future we will be including a contact email address in bans so that people can make genuine complaints if they are banned. We do actually listen to the suggestions people have and try and do something about them. I'm just teasing Crusty about the contact info cos he is a silly troll.
Ah, well, now I feel silly for getting into this. Back into the shadows I go!
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Searching Flat Earth Society on Facebook yields at least 7 resulsts with the name "Flat Earth Society" on the first page, out of 233 results which I have not checked. I wouldn't know which one to look it, and it would be even harder to pin point which member is a mod.
Wilmore, what is your real name?
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I'm glad you brought this up Hara, because "as a former mod" you actually prove that a review process exists. You consistently made poor decisions, whether banning people for no good reason or just breaking the rules yourself. You are the main reason that the Rule Enforcement Guidelines were created, and furthermore, you actually argued against bringing them in! Not only that, but the main reason you were demodded was because of your seeming inability to moderate in accordance with those guidelines.
First off, this is no longer about me so don't even go there. Secondly, I was against the majority of the guidelines because they were flat out bullshit. I put my two cents in, but none of you wanted to hear what I had to say because you all wanted to play "let's pretend to believe" with this FET crap. I was doing absolutely fine with my job as a mod for nearly a year until the lot of you started attacking me out of nowhere, that's when I said fuck it and didn't give a shit about what your little club felt was right.
Furthermore, maybe you should demote your fellow mod John Davis, clearly he cannot moderate justly as well with that "troublemaking" claim in my recent banishment. If stirring the pot of lies is troublemaking, then so be it.
Stop avoiding the issues and actually do the right thing for once and stop being such fucking douchenozzles to everyone because it was a fellow fet clubmember that got put on blast, all of it legitimate reasons as well. That is what is occurring and nothing less.
I don't want to be on the mod team with you so don't even try and argue that is why I am speaking out this way. It's a website, I honestly could care less, I am apparently very capable of doing something else. But the others here, they enjoy coming here, and they do somewhat give a fuck about whatever it is they give a fuck about with this place. Figure this shit out for them, at least, and stop dicking around the bush.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
I don't think all 400+ members are believers.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
I don't think all 400+ members are believers.
Did anyone say they were? :-\
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
Are you really this retarted? You could try looking at seeing who are the admins to the group and make the educated guess that they would be mods...
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
Are you really this retarted? You could try looking at seeing who are the admins to the group and make the educated guess that they would be mods...
Before calling someone an insult, make sure you know how to spell it properly first, retard.
My point still stands: Not possible when you're banned, and as an addition I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
Are you really this retarted? You could try looking at seeing who are the admins to the group and make the educated guess that they would be mods...
Before calling someone an insult, make sure you know how to spell it properly first, retard.
My point still stands: Not possible when you're banned, and as an addition I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
Lurk moar.
And what is not possible when you're banned? You can visit the facebook page when you're banned and contact one of the admins of the group on there, or even just make a post on the wall.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
Are you really this retarted? You could try looking at seeing who are the admins to the group and make the educated guess that they would be mods...
Before calling someone an insult, make sure you know how to spell it properly first, retard.
My point still stands: Not possible when you're banned, and as an addition I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
Lurk moar.
And what is not possible when you're banned? You can visit the facebook page when you're banned and contact one of the admins of the group on there, or even just make a post on the wall.
It's still not to be expected that people use alternative methods to protest their ban, and even less expected that they should reveal their real life identity.
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The FES facebook group is linked in the news bit on the top of the forum but because I'm nice I shall link you directly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=23033272998&ref=ts)
Not possible when you're banned, and you'd have no idea of distinguishing the mods between the 400+ members.
Are you really this retarted? You could try looking at seeing who are the admins to the group and make the educated guess that they would be mods...
Before calling someone an insult, make sure you know how to spell it properly first, retard.
My point still stands: Not possible when you're banned, and as an addition I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
Lurk moar.
And what is not possible when you're banned? You can visit the facebook page when you're banned and contact one of the admins of the group on there, or even just make a post on the wall.
It's still not to be expected that people use alternative methods to protest their ban, and even less expected that they should reveal their real life identity.
I'm sure if someone really was concerned that they were unfairly banned they would use alternative methods to protest the ban. But anyway, its already been said in this thread that we are working on providing contact details for protesting bans in the future, so what are you still moaning about? Your complaint has been listened to and action has been taken on it.
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You're the one who keeps this conversation going, I'm simply just responding to make it clearer for you.
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Then I guess this concern is addressed and I can lock this thread.
Edit: Or unlock it as I forgot the original question wasn't complaining about bans but about viewing the forums.
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I created a post listing the contact details of all the mods, using the information available freely on this site. This was intended to help people contact the mods in the case of being banned.
The post was deleted.
This board is for making suggestions or raising concerns; your thread did neither. In any event, it was redundant.
There's no reason not to see the contacts after ban, at least.
Well there is, because the software doesn't allow it. There's nothing we can do about that unfortunately.
I can see how posting in Suggestions after getting a ban would be a bad idea, and would have mods do nothing in here but deleting posts, but I also feel like just clicking the delete button isn't such a time-consuming thing. Real complaints will be kept, spam will be deleted.
Yes, but what happens when the spam is thread after thread filled with gay porn, all over the top two boards? Or child porn? If there's no mod here when it gets posted, it could be up for hours, and this has happened in the past. Likewise, if people can access the site, they can access their profiles, and fill their signature and avatar with child porn or something similar. Before I was made an admin, a banned member with over 1,000 posts did exactly that, and I had to manually delete each post one at a time, because only admins can delete or alter profiles (at the time, Daniel was the only admin).
You have to understand that these are not isolated incidents. Things have actually been pretty quiet in this respect lately, but only a week ago Gayer had to delete a bunch of posts made by someone who edited porn into his old posts. If we give banned members the chance to do this kind of stuff, a lot of them will.
Searching Flat Earth Society on Facebook yields at least 7 resulsts with the name "Flat Earth Society" on the first page, out of 233 results which I have not checked. I wouldn't know which one to look it, and it would be even harder to pin point which member is a mod.
Look, it's not our job to hold your hand. Anyone who really wants to find us there will, as we're one of the first results and have the FES logo on our page. As for knowing who is who, you don't need to know which of us are mods. You can just join the group and make a post there, and one of us will get it. It sounds to me like you just want to be able to bitch at whoever bans you. If that's the case, then frankly all I can say is that I have no interest in setting up a venting system for irrate RE'ers.
I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
I think it's pretty funy that a second ago you wer accusing us of being afraid to reveal our identities, asked me for my real name, and then come out with this. ::)
It's clear that what you really want is to be able to send mods angry PMs venting about your ban. Maybe you get the chance to do that on other forums, but things work differently here. It's our job to enforce the rules, not to humour the people who break them.
First off, this is no longer about me so don't even go there. Secondly, I was against the majority of the guidelines because they were flat out bullshit. I put my two cents in, but none of you wanted to hear what I had to say because you all wanted to play "let's pretend to believe" with this FET crap. I was doing absolutely fine with my job as a mod for nearly a year until the lot of you started attacking me out of nowhere, that's when I said fuck it and didn't give a shit about what your little club felt was right.
Furthermore, maybe you should demote your fellow mod John Davis, clearly he cannot moderate justly as well with that "troublemaking" claim in my recent banishment. If stirring the pot of lies is troublemaking, then so be it.
Stop avoiding the issues and actually do the right thing for once and stop being such fucking douchenozzles to everyone because it was a fellow fet clubmember that got put on blast, all of it legitimate reasons as well. That is what is occurring and nothing less.
I don't want to be on the mod team with you so don't even try and argue that is why I am speaking out this way. It's a website, I honestly could care less, I am apparently very capable of doing something else. But the others here, they enjoy coming here, and they do somewhat give a fuck about whatever it is they give a fuck about with this place. Figure this shit out for them, at least, and stop dicking around the bush.
How about instead of ranting, you come up with some constructive criticism? I can't upgrade the site, and I can't change the fact thatwe regularly get porno trolls. These are realities, and I can't wave them away with a magic wand.
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This may seem a little bit ironic coming from me, but I don't see why being blocked out of the website entirely when banned is inherently a problem. The whole point of a ban is punishment, after all.
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First off, this is no longer about me so don't even go there. Secondly, I was against the majority of the guidelines because they were flat out bullshit. I put my two cents in, but none of you wanted to hear what I had to say because you all wanted to play "let's pretend to believe" with this FET crap. I was doing absolutely fine with my job as a mod for nearly a year until the lot of you started attacking me out of nowhere, that's when I said fuck it and didn't give a shit about what your little club felt was right.
Furthermore, maybe you should demote your fellow mod John Davis, clearly he cannot moderate justly as well with that "troublemaking" claim in my recent banishment. If stirring the pot of lies is troublemaking, then so be it.
Stop avoiding the issues and actually do the right thing for once and stop being such fucking douchenozzles to everyone because it was a fellow fet clubmember that got put on blast, all of it legitimate reasons as well. That is what is occurring and nothing less.
I don't want to be on the mod team with you so don't even try and argue that is why I am speaking out this way. It's a website, I honestly could care less, I am apparently very capable of doing something else. But the others here, they enjoy coming here, and they do somewhat give a fuck about whatever it is they give a fuck about with this place. Figure this shit out for them, at least, and stop dicking around the bush.
How about instead of ranting, you come up with some constructive criticism? I can't upgrade the site, and I can't change the fact thatwe regularly get porno trolls. These are realities, and I can't wave them away with a magic wand.
I've highlighted what I can reasonably discern you are well within your ability to handle.
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
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This board is for making suggestions or raising concerns; your thread did neither. In any event, it was redundant.
It was a suggestion to group all mod contacts in a response to Gayers concern that members should prepare themselves adequately for a ban.
It was intended to help members. It was pretty clear that that's what it was for.
If it was in the wrong part of the forum then you could have moved it to another. But you chose to delete it.
I find that strange.
Likewise, if people can access the site, they can access their profiles,
As an experienced administrator you should know that this isn't true.
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This board is for making suggestions or raising concerns; your thread did neither. In any event, it was redundant.
It was a suggestion to group all mod contacts in a response to Gayers concern that members should prepare themselves adequately for a ban.
It was intended to help members. It was pretty clear that that's what it was for.
If it was in the wrong part of the forum then you could have moved it to another. But you chose to delete it.
I find that strange.
Well, I'm perfectly satisfied that I made the right decision. Your 'intentions' are well known.
Likewise, if people can access the site, they can access their profiles,
As an experienced administrator you should know that this isn't true.
How do you make that out? Assuming this isn't some kind of irrelevant anality, when banning someone one can either prevent them from posting (in which case they can still access their profile) or prevent them from logging in. There's no inbetween, unfortunately.
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Your 'intentions' are well known.
Wow really? Care to elaborate this thinly veiled snipe?
when banning someone one can either prevent them from posting (in which case they can still access their profile) or prevent them from logging in.
Act on underlined. I am only here to help.
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Searching Flat Earth Society on Facebook yields at least 7 resulsts with the name "Flat Earth Society" on the first page, out of 233 results which I have not checked. I wouldn't know which one to look it, and it would be even harder to pin point which member is a mod.
Look, it's not our job to hold your hand. Anyone who really wants to find us there will, as we're one of the first results and have the FES logo on our page. As for knowing who is who, you don't need to know which of us are mods. You can just join the group and make a post there, and one of us will get it. It sounds to me like you just want to be able to bitch at whoever bans you. If that's the case, then frankly all I can say is that I have no interest in setting up a venting system for irrate RE'ers.
I'm not much for revealing my identity on this site.
I think it's pretty funy that a second ago you wer accusing us of being afraid to reveal our identities, asked me for my real name, and then come out with this. ::)
It's clear that what you really want is to be able to send mods angry PMs venting about your ban. Maybe you get the chance to do that on other forums, but things work differently here. It's our job to enforce the rules, not to humour the people who break them.
With 233 results where the majority is "The Flat Earth Society" you really can't expect anyone to know exactly which one the mods look at.
Look, I'm not trying to bitch at you when being banned. I've already stated that if I wanted to, I would've used a proxy(You don't ban all proxies FYI). Now please don't tell me what is "clear" that I'm doing, when you're obviously wrong ignoring my previous statements.
Hell, stop telling people what the fuck their intentions are.
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
Lurk moar, newfag. It's been stated several times. Shit, you were even around when he was made an admin.
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
Its part of a conspiracy to keep the site run by flat earthers organized by Archlord James to overthrow your sound, balanced, and fair moderation and lead us into a monopoly of power. This monopoly will slowly be expanded to include oil, energy, various resource staples such as corn, Britcoms, matches, technology, etc.
Ultimately we plan on overpowering the RE conspiracy and attempting to claim lands beyond Australia and the Antarctic as territory owned by the Flat Earth Society. Once this phase is accomplished we will systematically capture Round Earthers and reeducate them in a secret facility in Bedford Level. They will be put into slavery for a time suitable enough to pay for this reeducation as well as other rights they will gain from our liberation of their minds from the tyranny of the RE world order. After this reasonably short service to their world they will be released to live new lives. This service could include work relating to our monopoly, or the building of the Flat Earth colossus, the largest man made object in the history of the world, which will feature flat earth visionaries like myself, Rowbotham, levee and James. It is here we will execute terrorists against our cause, including any who oppose us now.
Each year we will celebrate the execution of the terrorists and the freeing of our minds here in a world wide event. Aerosmith will likely play if they aren't harmed in the reeducation.
It will be able to be seen from the four corners of the world - the fifth being obstructed by a thick fog of ignorance. This fog will be put in place so we can leave those damaged by the reeducation, or those in which the reeducation does not stick can live their lives out in peace and seclusion, never again to return to the rest of the world.
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ALL HAIL ARCHLORD JAMES.
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Of course now that he's told us, he's going to have to kill all of us. :-X
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
Lurk moar, newfag. It's been stated several times. Shit, you were even around when he was made an admin.
I think you read that wrong. Try again.
First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
Its part of a conspiracy to keep the site run by flat earthers organized by Archlord James to overthrow your sound, balanced, and fair moderation and lead us into a monopoly of power. This monopoly will slowly be expanded to include oil, energy, various resource staples such as corn, Britcoms, matches, technology, etc.
Ultimately we plan on overpowering the RE conspiracy and attempting to claim lands beyond Australia and the Antarctic as territory owned by the Flat Earth Society. Once this phase is accomplished we will systematically capture Round Earthers and reeducate them in a secret facility in Bedford Level. They will be put into slavery for a time suitable enough to pay for this reeducation as well as other rights they will gain from our liberation of their minds from the tyranny of the RE world order. After this reasonably short service to their world they will be released to live new lives. This service could include work relating to our monopoly, or the building of the Flat Earth colossus, the largest man made object in the history of the world, which will feature flat earth visionaries like myself, Rowbotham, levee and James. It is here we will execute terrorists against our cause, including any who oppose us now.
Each year we will celebrate the execution of the terrorists and the freeing of our minds here in a world wide event. Aerosmith will likely play if they aren't harmed in the reeducation.
It will be able to be seen from the four corners of the world - the fifth being obstructed by a thick fog of ignorance. This fog will be put in place so we can leave those damaged by the reeducation, or those in which the reeducation does not stick can live their lives out in peace and seclusion, never again to return to the rest of the world.
tl;dr next
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If you didn't read it you really missed out on learning the truth
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Your 'intentions' are well known.
Wow really? Care to elaborate this thinly veiled snipe?
Basically, you're a troll =/
when banning someone one can either prevent them from posting (in which case they can still access their profile) or prevent them from logging in.
Act on underlined. I am only here to help.
Yes, but as as I said earlier, if we allow them to log in, they can still access their profiles and do all the things I've already spoken about.
With 233 results where the majority is "The Flat Earth Society" you really can't expect anyone to know exactly which one the mods look at.
Like I said, it's the first group to come up, has hundreds of members, has our logo, and links back to this forum on its main page. It's also regularly advertised/linked in the banner at the top of the forum. Really, anybody with the slightest bit of internet literacy should be able to find it with ease.
Look, I'm not trying to bitch at you when being banned. I've already stated that if I wanted to, I would've used a proxy(You don't ban all proxies FYI). Now please don't tell me what is "clear" that I'm doing, when you're obviously wrong ignoring my previous statements.
Hell, stop telling people what the fuck their intentions are.
Then why exactly do you need to know who is who? Maybe you were just missing the obvious, but it didn't seem that way.
My take on it is this: when you are banned, we state the reason for your ban. If you have a problem with whether or not the ban is justified, then ultimately you'll have to let the other mods review the decision. Believe me when I say that I look into them. Nothing other than a majority of mods disagreeing with the call made is going to see it overturned. If however you've got a problem because the ban seems totally bizarre (e.g. 'alternate account' when you know you don't have an alternate account), then you can get in touch via the facebook page and we'll look into it.
At the end of the day, I am not going to have a situation where banned members can come back here and send people all kinds of crap via the PM system.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
if people can access the site, they can access their profiles, and fill their signature and avatar with child porn or something similar. Before I was made an admin, a banned member with over 1,000 posts did exactly that, and I had to manually delete each post one at a time, because only admins can delete or alter profiles (at the time, Daniel was the only admin).
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Basically, you're a troll =/
News to me. Any evidence to back up this wild allegation?
Yes, but as as I said earlier, if we allow them to log in...
In which case you need to...
Act on underlined. I am only here to help.
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With the proper settings, a moderator can do that job. Ask Daniel to make the changes and demote you, since you've basically admitted that you do nothing useful that requires the need of more administrators. When's the last time someone did the deed you were given admin rights to take care of again?
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Since this thread has run it's course, i am going to go ahead and lock it now.
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Since this thread has run it's course, i am going to go ahead and lock it now.
Reported for abusing his membrating powers.
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First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.
So why are you an admin again exactly?
Its part of a conspiracy to keep the site run by flat earthers organized by Archlord James... (further sarcastic hilarity)
Is this where the money for the hoodies went?
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Basically, you're a troll =/
News to me. Any evidence to back up this wild allegation?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19887;sa=showPosts
Yes, but as as I said earlier, if we allow them to log in...
In which case you need to...
Act on underlined. I am only here to help.
You mean by banning them the way we currently do? No problem, way ahead of you.
With the proper settings, a moderator can do that job. Ask Daniel to make the changes and demote you, since you've basically admitted that you do nothing useful that requires the need of more administrators. When's the last time someone did the deed you were given admin rights to take care of again?
If Daniel had wanted to give all the mods the ability to adjust profiles, he would have. As for when Jack or I last had to do it, does it matter? The point is, if it does happen, we can deal with it. Daniel didn't log on between the end of March and the end of April; if something like this had happened during that time, nobody would have been able to deal with it.
You're acting as if all of this wasn't made clear when DK and I were made admins. At that time, it was made perfectly clear that we were mods in all but name, and were given admin powers just as precaution in case Daniel was absent and something came up.
This thread is going nowhere, so I'm locking it. Suggestion noted.