they mislead us when we do maps.
they mislead us when we do maps.
I'm sorry you're map isn't working out. There are two options here:
a. the premise of your map is flawed
b. there's a massive conspiracy
You've chosen option b. whereas I'd put money on option a. Here's the issue. Your map uses flight times. If you reject certain flight times as fictitious, then you can't make your map accurately since you admit the data on it might be wrong.
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.
If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.
I'm not talking about flight times depend on my map.
If there is a flight between two cities and all of tousends of aircrafts run this path with 3 hours; so when I see somebody claim runs it in constantly in 1:30 hours; it is a liar. It is a dishonesty. They only aims to deceive people, and you are the lawyer of the evil.
How am I the lawyer of evil? Some planes fly faster than other planes. And if those flights are predicted consistently, and no one on those flights has ever complained about them being a full Disney movie longer than advertised, I'd put my money on there being fast planes. People, while they may say in public they like watching Disney movies, tend to not want to watch more than one in a row unless they're drunk or with a friend.
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them. ;D
All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them. ;D
I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it.
I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Even Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Wikileaks and the likes have not discovered this great conspiracy.Yes, I wonder about this as well. And we have Anonymous, and others. Still, no proof of the conspiracy. Not even a hint of one. Except for the individuals here, no one seems to have any proof.
Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.
You do realise you're not called "Inky", right?Inky is simply exhibiting classic flat earthism.
You do realise I'm a flat earther, right?
Hey, I have actually flied the Johannesburg to São Paulo flight on SAA.
Im cant remember the exact flight times as that was a few years ago. (Actually think there is a post of mine somewhere here discussing it)
And Johannesburg to Perth gets flown at least once a year by at least 1 family member of mine. Ill have to sit through that flight myself soon.
And just because a plane can fly faster, does not mean it flies faster further.
Different aircraft have different peak efficiencies as different ranges. Going faster may mean you cant go as far.
Just came in to say that. Have a happy day
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:Actually 570mph.
Mumbai-Narita.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history
Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.
Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39
Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.
So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
All Nippon is added to the black list by following flight:Actually 570mph.
Mumbai-Narita.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history/20180207/1430Z/VABB/RJAA
history: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA830/history
Aircraft: A388
Distance: 6.793kms.
Best time: 7:14
Best time from its history: 6:39
Average speed: 6793kms / 6:39= 1.021kmh. This is phsically impossible. No one of the aircraft, never runned with a speed over or close to 1.000kms in a route.
So that, sounds like All Nippon provides wrong information about flight times and deceiving the puclib, is added to the black list!
"Erdoganistan";D
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.
I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.
Show us the evidence!
Well I live in Durban, South Africa. Jhb is our main flight hub, so I dont live in Johannesburg per se. But have flown out of Johannesburg many times.
And I went to holiday in South America for a month.
Ill post some pretty pictures for you maybe, but not right now. I have normal human things to do now.
I do not believe at all your talkings. Prove it, not picture. Show us your airline ticket, your bought details. Convince us you have gone there with airline.
Show us the evidence!
Well, what do you consider evidence? Showing you a ticket will also just be a scan or picture of a ticket.
I have a feeling that I can literally post anything here and you will cry fake if it does not conform to your world view.
How about you go and book the flight yourself and personally go see.
So, honest question, what can be posted on these forums that you will accept as true?
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago
This is the flight link:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL
The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.
The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.
This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.
Qantas is blacklisted with the route of Sydney-Santiago
This is the flight link:
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA27/history/20180207/0221Z/YSSY/SCEL
The distance is: 11.353kms.
The best time for Qantas B744 in this route: 11:50 hours. This is logically impossible. B744 is a fast aircraft but not one of the fastest ones.
The best speed for B744 in the air is: 899km/h.
This chart is occurred after examined about 10.000 flights. A B744 never passes the speed of 899.
Well, that's not true, here is a quick example:
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 935 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180206/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 920 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180126/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
PTP-> ORY Corsair CRL927 919 km/h https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CRL927/history/20180127/2250Z/TFFR/LFPO)
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real
As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.
A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed
Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.
Corsair Airlines will be blacklisted too. But I don't do that after your recommendation. I'll exam them and will take to the black list too. This is literally impossible. If you find another B744 flies faster than 920kmh, report it.
Yes Sir !
Here is another obscure airline frauding:
BA 284 SFO-> LHR reported at 1278 km/h] and more than 920 km/h for about 4 hours https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog (https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW284/history/20131222/0020Z/KSFO/EGLL/tracklog)
BA JFK-> LHR in 5h16m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11337617/Jet-stream-blasts-BA-plane-across-Atlantic-in-record-time.html)
Ban British Airways!
BTW, how do you know that a 747 cannot fly faster than 920 km/h ?, why is it literally impossible ?
Look, an AirFrance B777 at 1240 km/hr top speed
AF 011 JFK-CDG https://fr.flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR11/history/20150108/0250Z/KJFK/LFPG/tracklog
Ban Air France!
Well. We remember that Singapore Airlines that yet black listed.
They were already suspicious.
When did I declare them as suspicious? Who does remember it?
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.
Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
I live in BrisbaneThat must make you an imaginary person!
Actually, I imagine that I'm a real person, but what would I know?I live in BrisbaneThat must make you an imaginary person!
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
I have taken this flight, the flight time was accurate, the flight is real
As to why there is variance in flight times for different airlines, not all airlines fly the same routes, some fly into jet streams to speed up the plane, others fly to minimise fuel use to save money, and depending on weather that can also drastically affect the flight time.
A planes maximum cruise speed is not its maximum ground speed, 899km/h in the air with a 100km/h tail wind is about 999 km/h ground speed
I don't believe you. Prove you taken this flight.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.
Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!
There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".
You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".
You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".
You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Thank you for proving your ignorance on all things aerodynamicHave you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".
You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.
Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!
There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.
Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
Shillinoz is very sick and everyone knows this.Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for so to extend the path if it is not necessary.They are NOT passing the Brisbane and everybody is sick mof your stupid lies.
Anyway. Forget it. They are passing the Brisbane that not required and torturing the passengers; so that blacklisted.
You are an utterly stupid idiot Mr Brotherhood of the Deceivers!
There is no direct flight from Perth, Western Australia to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If anyone wants to fly Perth to Port Moresby they would normally fly
Perth, Western Australia to Brisbane, Queensland then from Brisbane, Queensland to Port Moresby, New Guinea.
If you don't accept that tough bikkies, because that is the TRUTH.
I live in Brisbane and my daughter and brother have flown that route. My brother has done it numerous times.
Insult doesn't make you right. Just I don't care with your sick ideas. If you have a strong argument, so you don't insult. So you are insulting because you are saying lie. Everybody see how you are angry and a sick man.
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?But cars do get blown around. Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road. They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?But cars do get blown around. Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road. They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?But cars do get blown around. Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road. They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Incorrectbrotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?But cars do get blown around. Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road. They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Formula pilots never consider the wind.
And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.Did I say slow down? Please learn to read.
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This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.
It is the same principle of how parachutes work.
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This video shows a race car been lifted and slow down by air.
It is the same principle of how parachutes work.
No No No. the car is not being lifted by air.
Its just riding really fast at the equator in the direction the earth is spinning and being flung off the earth due to centrifugal forces.
Boom, another victory for round earth!
/sarcasm (in case it needs to be said)
brotherhood makes a valid point. If strong winds don't blow my (or others) box shaped car that weighs under a tonne off the road, then why would something 150 times heavier, going 10 times faster and much more aerodynamically shaped be blown around or severely affected?But cars do get blown around. Drive down a road with a large crosswind and if you don't steer a little into the wind you'll go off the road. They do have the advantage of extra friction between them and the road but they are still affected by wind.
Watch videos of planes landing in crosswinds and you'll see they have to steer into the wind to keep going in a straight line in order to land.
Formula pilots never consider the wind. And I never feel a wind slow down my car. Winds perhaps shakes the car, but this is its only affect; not causes the slow down.
Virgin atlantic has black listed because of they have lost their virginity in their toulet. Ahaha. I don't think so there is a law to forbit for prevent them. Anyway.Idiot! You blacklist for no other reason than that their flights will not fit your silly map!
I wonder if he saw me today? But he couldn't because I'm being ignored 8)Being ignored ::) to infinity ::) means we can say what we like - ain't it grand!
Singapore Airlines to resume world’s longest commercial flights
The Ultra Long Range version of the A350 XWB, MSN 216, has successfully completed its first flight. The latest variant of the best-selling A350 XWB Family will be able to fly further than any other commercial airliner and will enter service with launch operator Singapore Airlines in second half 2018.
The aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines has embarked on a short flight test programme to certify the changes over the standard A350-900 that will extend its range capability to 9,700 nautical miles. These changes include a modified fuel system that increases fuel carrying capacity by 24,000 litres, without the need for additional fuel tanks. The test phase will also measure enhanced performance from aerodynamic improvements, including extended winglets.
Altogether, Singapore Airlines has ordered seven A350-900 Ultra Long Range aircraft, which it will use on non-stop flights between Singapore and the US, including the world’s longest commercial service between Singapore and New York.
Blacklisted!
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Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome. I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies. I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much. My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive. Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight?
Thank you.
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome. I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies. I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much. My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive. Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight?
Thank you.
If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.
Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.
Have you ever heard of winds and jet streams ?
Your map is bullshit... just buy a plane and make some flights using it.
Everybody is free to fly or sail all around the GLOBE if she or he has enough money to do it. Not only big companies or armies, anyone... And everybody's using standard maps based on the Earth as it is, round. And guess what ? it works just fine !
You are just blacklisting flight companies because the data are not in agreement with your ridiculous map. What's the distance between santagio and aukland ? what's the flight time ?
You are lost, I know this... but I hope people reading this still has enough brain to understand how wrong you are, and just fact-check what you've post about flight times and distances, etc. Data on flightaware.com just prooves one thing : everything is just normal flight times, for normal round Earth distances, for normal operating airliners.
Sorry for trolling, but I needed to say this... YOU ARE THE LIAR !!
Bye bye !
I am only laughting you. You're right; you have to say it because you have to deserve your salary. I can't blame you for this. Let me be clear that I heard things such as jet bla bla and winds bla bla. Winds and jetstreams affect to an aircraft as how as a wind affect to your car. These are bullshit. These are great lies. Perhaps, you can defend a big lie only with some bigger lies such as: "jetstream, winds, flights between some cities,... bla bla".
You can deceive most of people with these lies, because people are generally fool. But you can never deceive me. If you look to my "personal text under avatar", so you understand why you can't deceive me.
You think Wind as no effect on an Aircraft ? is that what you say ? really ?
Winds can have a huge effect on the speed of an aircraft. An aircraft flying at an airspeed of 800 km/h with a front wind of 100 km/h has a groundspeed of 700 km/h. Then, if flying in the opposite direction its groundspeed is 900 km/h. Just watch a butterfly in the wind and you'll understand (at least, even a child can understand that).
You know, we have evidences Earth is round till centuries (and nobody pays me to say this. I wish I could be paid to say this, but no...).
You are blacklisting companies because some of their flight times are unusual ? but man, there is so much reasons a flight time can be unusual... you don't even try to list those kind of reasons. It just looks like you decide "oh? this one doesn't look good for my map, let's blacklist it !". Nothing else.
You are such a joke.
Hopefully, most people, even very religious ones, don't follow you in your crazy beliefs.
You are a big mystery ! how can you blind your eyes to such a point ? that's fascinating...
No planet, no gravity, no wind ?
Fascinating...
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
Thank you for dedicating your time to showing which airlines need to be blacklisted, Brotherhood of the dome. I can't speak for everyone, but I know for sure I'll NEVER book a flight with any of these companies. I'll spend my hard earned money on one of the honest airlines thank-you-very-much. My only concern is that this list isn't all inclusive. Can you please research every single company and add all of those NO GOOD DECEIVERS to this list, so that I can reference it once it comes time to book a flight?
Thank you.
If I make such a list, so the listed companies can be exposed to the pressure by the gang, or they can be bought. I don't want to categorise them, but generally muslim companies except emirates seem fair. institutional structures are more secure. For example, I have not seen "Turkish airlines" that one of the biggest company in star group while manipulating anything. But this doesn't proves they will not do it in next. European companies generally are safe. but in locally I can not say that this one is more secure. One of the biggest company in the world, lufthansa. I did not see lufthansa while manipulated a path. but that does not mean they will not do in the future.
Shortly, in this capital world, everything can change everytime by the affect of money.
That is not good enough for me! I refuse to spend my money on an airline that has deceived. You must make an all-inclusive list so that it can be referenced. I've already saved this page as a bookmark. You must not leave any airlines out otherwise I will assume you are simply a paid shill by those airlines.
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.
Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.
Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.
I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.
I'm afraid of a potential scam. Go ahead and research just 25% of the companies (roughly 250 per your statement) and I'll send you half of the 10,000 for starters. Please post your entire findings here so I can reference them. If you don't, this is undeniable proof that you are a paid shill by the airlines. I assumed you were unemployed, so this may take you less than a month.
Thanks brotherhood, flat earth counts on you.
I need to get 1 week leave for 250. It costs 2.500$ of my a week. Pay or sh! I can not do its with free. if you claim and can not prove to I have taken money from some airline companies , so I have a right to sue you.
Paid shill confirmed.
Globitch attack has been detected.
I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?
You made it for just as a trap.
You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.
you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.
You claim, "I have already not given any names of aircraft companies" but here you give the names of nine airlines! Explain!
I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?
There is come aircraft companies producing the wrong knowledge. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.
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I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights. Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Lan and Latam Airlines with lie of: Sao Paolo to Johannesburg flights. (lie of 8 hours)
South Africa Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
Sichuan airlines with the lie of: Beijing to Kummig flights. (flight time)
All Nippon Airlines with the lie of: Mumbai-Narita flights. (flight speed phsically impossible)
Singapore Airlines with the lie of under 10 hour travel between Johannesburg to Singapore.
Air Niugiuni is blacklisted for torturing the passangers on the flight of Perth to Port Moresby.
Fly Dubai is blacklisted for their illogical claim in the route between Dar Assalaam and Dubai. According to their claim, their B738 is running faster a B77W of emirates in same route. Sorry, we are not enough fool till to believe this nonsence.
Virgin atlantic is black listed by sex scandal on their aircraft between Cancun and Gatwick.
As we know them, there is always dishonests.
Globitch attack has been detected.
I have already not given any names of aircraft companies, but you have forced me to get some names from me, true?
You made it for just as a trap.
You can't deceive me. Do you really believe that I want your dirty money? here you are, proved you are as idiot as how a globist is. Anyway.
I'm simply saying that I rely heavily on your research, and feel that your list that you created is not all inclusive. For this to be something I, and countless others, reference when scheduling their plane flights, it must be complete. Your research is critical. Although I have changed my mind now that you are a confirmed paid shill by the airlines.you can not lower my reputation with such childish games.
Not even you yourself could do that.
Stop that. there is a time and a place for everything. I decide what to do when. Your try to get my blood up, doesn't work on me. Stop that. Just stop that.Why? You accuse perfectly honest airlines of deception and you expect to say nothing! Not likely.
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.
Is one of your companies in the list?
I'm an airline investor, just trying to protect my assets. The secret must not get out.
Is one of your companies in the list?
No and there's no way I'll let you add it.
Dear me, 'brotherhood of the dome', you are a twit ...
You endlessly cite published timetable flight durations as accurate times to travel a given route, but you clearly don't realise Airline Timetables are pretty much works of fiction ...
Airlines allow extra time to get from gate to gate; they often add an hour (to a say 10 hour long-haul flight) so that the plane will arrive 'early' and thus look good; the only way to get an accurate time from point A to point B is to be on the plane yourself and measure the take-off to landing time, and even then you are not allowing for head or tailwinds, which can alter flight times dramatically.
Duh!
You're replying to a post from June. Sharp as ever.
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitchesNo thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small printAnd if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago
or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not existQANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollarGet a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitchesNo thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 returnQuote from: ShifterLooked at small printAnd if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.Quote from: ShifterAs if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to SantiagoQuote from: Shifteror Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not existQANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!Quote from: ShifterAnd no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollarGet a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitchesNo thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 returnQuote from: ShifterLooked at small printAnd if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.Quote from: ShifterAs if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to SantiagoQuote from: Shifteror Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not existQANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!Quote from: ShifterAnd no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollarGet a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.
Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitchesNo thay are not! YOU failed to read the fine print so you blame someone else - figures!
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 returnQuote from: ShifterLooked at small printAnd if you did not read "the fine print" that's YOUR fault!
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.Quote from: ShifterAs if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.Except for the 430,000 that flew in the first three and and probable a million by now!
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to SantiagoQuote from: Shifteror Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not existQANTAS does not fly Johannesburg to/from Perth so stuff that in you pipe and smoke it!Quote from: ShifterAnd no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollarGet a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!
You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 eachto go to China and back again? Yes please.
Qantas sucks dogs balls (ie your balls)
If I'm reading this right, Qantas is overpriced, therefore they don't really fly where they say they fly?
So what? I've never flown QANTAS either, rather Emirates and even Royal Brunei, due to the cost.Get a new ASI, your old one is BROKEN!You know nothing. Less than nothing either. I didn't fly with Qantas. I chose the cheapest option, which flew a family of 4 to China (and another one within China) for $1195. No way I'd score that deal with 'Qantas'. Flying Qantas, that's near what they would charge us just to go to Sydney. $300 each to go to China and back again? Yes please.
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
The difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?
But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab
After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
Qantas is a corporate shill who prides itself on never having crashed, best safety etc so that you choose them. But then they stick you on a cheap Chinese airline that you could have done yourself for half the price.And the safety record of many of those air lines is better not investigated >:(.
I have a brother-in-law who flew for years for Emirates, who also have an excellent safety record.
His advice, "Don't fly with any airline with China in the name". Maybe they've improved.Quote from: ShifterThe difference in not a token amount of money. It was near double the cost of an international return flight. It's deceptive. Yes I read the small print and did my research.And where is your evidence that QANTAS don't fly Johannesburg to/from Sydney or Sydney to/from Santiago, Chile?
But not everyone is (let me FTFY) a total idiot like me. Some people are like rab
After Qantas tried to scam me (lets face it, it is a classic 'bait and switch'), I have no reason to trust them on anything.
You haven't any!
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
China Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.
But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.Quote from: ShifterChina Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.
What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?
I guess you haven't any.
Your brother in law sounds like a racist twat.Hardly! At least he had not problems in Malaysia of the United Arab Emirates.
At the time it had nothing to do with race just airline safety and some mainland based Chinese airlines with an excellent record.
But you sound like a typical Flatardian anti-Australian twat. Keep it up you're helping Wise make the Flat Earth look ridiculous.Quote from: ShifterChina Eastern is regarded pretty good overall actually and I had no complaints about the service, the attractiveness of the flight attendants or the flight itself.But none of this is slightly related to the topic, just the usual subtle Shifter derailing technique.
What about some real evidence that the non-stop air routes:
South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia and Australia to/from South America are or are not genuine?
I guess you haven't any.
I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first ::)
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.
I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!
As do non-stop flights:I just checked webjet. Sydney to Johannesburg stops off at Dubai first ::)I just checked webjet for non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The flight exists. Well, at least you can buy a ticket for it:
And Sydney to Santiago doesn't seem to exist. Seems like they want me to go from Melbourne to somewhere in North America first such as San Francisco or Houston first.
I'm done arguing with a shill like you. Be gone!
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You're really quite angry rabNo just amused thst anyone can be as devious as you.
All it says is those flights weren't available tomorrow.So what? Ever heard of flights being booked out? But that would be too simple an explanation for the Shifty Eyed Troll.
Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
WRONG!How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
WRONG!How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft. See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it. Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.
You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Estimations
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverageWRONG!How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft. See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it. Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.
You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Nope!QuoteEstimations
When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.
https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverageWRONG!How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft. See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it. Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.
You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Nope!QuoteEstimations
When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.
https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
That is when there is no ADS-B receiver coverage. You should make one to try.See about ADS-B https://www.flightradar24.com/add-coverageWRONG!How do you explain flightradar24.com?Quantas are lying sons of whores not to be trusted. I have no loyalty to those aussie sons of bitches
When I was looking for flights to China. I could select a China Eastern one ~$400 return or Qantas around $800 return
Looked at small print
Qantas may use partnering airlines. Guess which was the airline? The cheaper $400 China Eastern one. So for double the money I would take the exact same plane. F U Qantas you lying sons of whores.
As if after their blatant and shameless rip off tactics I would trust their flight routes. wise is correct to put them on the black list. And if he is correct about that, I see no reason to doubt the others he black lists and the evidence for their fake flight paths and times.
No one here has ever been able to say they have taken a Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg to Perth. No one. Simple reason is the flight does not exist
And no one should fly with them. Not just because they lie but because they will rip you off and put you on a cheap Chinese plane for top dollar
A smarty looking.
If there was passangers every day hundreds of them, so any of them had to be recorded it by cameras. Had not them be rich whose gone to Chile from Australia for tourustic travel, had not they? But none of them had a camera. Neither any of them, nor any pilot had recorded it. Because you can not record anything absent.
Do not get adress to barinoz, he is clearly an angry noob. Ignore him like how I did and lean back on your chair.
It is not a radar. it uses all datas provided, generally provided by flight towers and sometimes provided by aircraft companies. For example if Qantas says its aircraft is lifting up from Sydney so flightradar shows it upside of Sydney, whether if tower corrects it or not. When the flight information is sent to the flightradar website, it saves it and records the "imaginary" movements as if they were in the air. Inother say, when you send the flight information as 01:00 lift up from Sydney 12:00 landing to Chile then flightradar draws a path for it as how you give it and shows it simultaneusly as how you estimated it. It does not required to be true or not; what you give the flight radar, it shows it on the air.
It uses a network of receivers of the ADS-B location information transmitted by aircraft. See the site for locations. It is easy to set up your own receiver, try it. Only where aircraft are out of range is a route shown.
You can see aircraft in the air and then see their details on fl24.
Nope!QuoteEstimations
When an aircraft is flying out of coverage Flightradar24 keeps estimating the position of the aircraft for up to 2 hours if the destination of the flight is known. For aircraft without known destination, position is estimated for up to 10 minutes. The position is calculated based on many different parameters and in most cases it's quite accurate, but for long flights the position can in worst cases be up to about 100 km (55 miles) off. In settings there is an option to set for how long time you want to see estimated aircraft on map.
https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
I see everything there. They clearly say they can "estimate". This is enough.
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?Do you understand that flightradar24 displays data from the network of ADS-B receivers?
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.
Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.
Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.
"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.
ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"
Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:
(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
When it is flying out of coverage, no ADS-B reception, they estimate the location. Why not get a receiver to help understand what an aircraft transmits.Qantas is giving the flight datas to flightradar and it publishes it. Case closed.Airlines publish the flight data but the real time positions are from aircraft ADS-B transmitters and a network of receivers.
Nope. I've showed you the line what website says. They estimate the path. So that they have get the data from aircraft company and publish it simultanously depends on estimated path.
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
A new system will use satellites to give near full coverage of aircraft locations.Whether they use ADS_B or not, they get the flight information from Qantas, not from the aircrafts. Do not tell me story, okkey?
No, they get information from receivers spread around the world.
"Automatic dependent surveillance—broadcast (ADS–B) is a surveillance technology in which an aircraft determines its position via satellite navigation and periodically broadcasts it, enabling it to be tracked. The information can be received by air traffic control ground stations as a replacement for secondary surveillance radar, as no interrogation signal is needed from the ground. It can also be received by other aircraft to provide situational awareness and allow self-separation.
ADS–B is "automatic" in that it requires no pilot or external input. It is "dependent" in that it depends on data from the aircraft's navigation system.[1]"
Here's a global map of receivers. Qantas does not own them:
(https://i.imgur.com/nRdw5xS.png)
Not a single 'receiver' in Svalbard and only 1 in all of Greenland and only a few for Canada. None for Mongolia, several African countries and conveniently Antarctica and only a handful in Russia. In fact, you have more receivers in in Micronesia then you do in New Zealand. How does it track planes in the middle of the Pacific, Indian and Atlantic oceans? This map is a nonsense if its for tracking. I'd say there is a more nefarious reason for these so called trackers.
All planes must follow a strict flight path. The leave at 'x' time and arrive at 'y' time. Easy to input to FlightRadar24 the planes departure time and its arrival time worked out based on that
Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulated
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
The planes with a crew and load of passengers leave Australia and arrive in Santiago, Chile, the expected time later with the same crew and load of passengers.Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/wmk3q2hfbqz7o15/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA27%20Sydney%20to%20Santiago.jpg?dl=1) FlightAware - Flight QFA27 Sydney to Santiago | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdrsme5evnljbh9/FlightAware%20-%20Flight%20QFA28%20Santiago%20to%20Sydney%202016-05-11.jpg?dl=1) FlightAware - Flight QFA28 Santiago to Sydney 2016-05-11 |
Yeah, but why? To further the globe earth conspiracy?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?
Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?
It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?
Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?
It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Which varies as directed by air traffic control. Happy about ADS-B working as stated?Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?
Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?
It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
The transponder is designed so the code can be changed so one can broadcast a code given by ATC, or other codes designating hijacking, or radio out, etc. It can be turned off just by pulling a fuse. If it were unable to be turned off then you'd have a device in the cockpit that you could never cut power to if an electrical fault occurs. That is a safety issue.
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?)
Which varies as directed by air traffic control. Happy about ADS-B working as stated?Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?
Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?
It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Flightradar24 started as a hobby project in 2006 when two Swedish aviation geeks decided to build a network of ADS-B receivers in Northern and Central Europe. In 2009 we opened up the network, and made it possible for anyone with an ADS-B receiver to upload data to the network. Many parts of the world were quickly covered, but the quest to provide global ADS-B coverage is still ongoing. Hopefully with your support, we will get there.Which varies as directed by air traffic control. Happy about ADS-B working as stated?Meanwhile we know live ADS-B data is correct. I can receive it from aircraft I can see above me.Why would an airline do that when passenger safety is involved?Why cant they find MH370? Where was FlightRadar24? Seems like it's not an infallible program and can be manipulatedTransponder switched off.
My point exactly. Easy for airlines to manipulate. And according to that map, if you are flying over many places - you will not be tracked. Yet you are supposedly. I'd say data is possible to be preloaded.
Maybe because passenger safety comes at the expense of profits?
Lets ask Malaysian Airlines why they had a pilot switch off his transponder (why would that even be allowed/possible?) Or why they flew over a contested area/active war zone in Ukraine?
Do airlines give a damn about passengers? No! They are just cattle to herd around. Of course it doesn't matter if they die or their lives are put at risk. Airplanes wont stop flying because people will always need to use it. Straight after the Lionair disaster a few months ago, despite the cause being the airline was dodgy and skimped on maintenance and safety and despite the fact that plane had numerous problems on its last few journeys, they still used it. And after it crashed, people still flew with them. So what does that tell you?
It tells you the flights from Sydney to Santiago are fake
Again, pilots must follow a strict flight path so its location can easily be worked out at any point by its departure time.
Not until I get a logical explanation why there are none in Mongolia, many African countries, Svalbard and Antarctica. Why are there more in Micronesia, than Iceland and Greenland combined? Why so few in Canada etc.
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence
Global Air Traffic Survellience (https://aireon.com/services/)
At the end of 2018, Aireon will provide the first global air traffic surveillance system using a satellite-based, space-based Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) network that will meet the strict real time ATS surveillance requirements required for air traffic separation services anywhere in the world.
ADS-B is an air traffic surveillance technology that relies on aircraft broadcasting their identity, a precise Global Positioning System (GPS) position and other information derived from on-board systems. The data is broadcast every half a second from the aircraft, and is being used by Air Traffic Controllers (ATCs) to identify and separate aircraft in real-time. Space-based ADS-B extends the same ADS-B technology currently received on ground-based receivers to space.
If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence
So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
The majority of receivers are people making thier own to connect. The parts are low cost but need an internet connection.If the Earth was a globe and this was about tracking then why is there not global coverage?
Wouldn't the same apply to a flat earth? If the earth was flat and this was about tracking then why is there not world-wide coverage?
On a globe model at the height of an aeroplane, the horizon is not even 400km away. That means you would need them spaced every 300km or so to get the coverage needed for the plane to be able to communicate with the receiver at typical airplane altitudes. On a Flat model, the horizon is ∞. The fact there is so many receivers in Europe and North America could explain that is where the most heaviest airplane traffic is but spacing them out so sparsely is of no consequence
So I guess all of these people who are spacing them out, putting them everywhere are idiots. B/c on a flat earth, you would just need one. Maybe on top of Everest.
There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range. As you know.There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.
So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is not flat and transmitters and receivers have a limited range. As you know.There could be more than 10,000 commercial airplanes flying at any given time. Just the commercial ones. Perhaps one receiver is not reliable for this load. How many planes at any given time are flying over Greenland? Probably only when they need to stage a shot of Antarctica for rab to spam, which doesn't need to happen very often given how much he rehashes old crap.
So if it's a capacity issue, put 100 receivers on top of Everest. Why spread them around the world?
World is far different than you can fathomWell, do tell us what shape the earth is.
Also, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!
Anyway we digress.Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!
This topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!" ;D ;D
[takes money] 8)
Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!" ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight: >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
World is far different than you can fathomWell, do tell us what shape the earth is.Quote from: ShifterAlso, the globe model is also nonsense. I can pick up on the FM band a radio station 100km away with mountains around. It's shitty reception but it's there. This would mean the transmitter would have to be at least 1km in height for it to have a line of sight to me.No, Shifter is nonsense and knows nothing about radio transmission but continues to blow off his mouth as if he's the next Einstein!
And what has that to do with your claim that "the globe model is also nonsense."Quote from: ShifterAnyway we digress.Sure, classic Shifter technique! Derail a thread, then be the goody-goody that brings it back it back on track - well good for you!Quote from: ShifterThis topic is about wises black listing of airline companies. Personally, even if you dont agree with his reasoning, you can at least blacklist Qantas and any other airline that engages in 'bait and switch' or deceptive marketing practices.None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
Qantas says: "Fly with us! We have never crashed and our airlines have the best service and safety! That's why our price is as high as the sky you fly!" ;D ;D
[takes money] 8)
Qantas says: "Oh by the way, we may put you on a partner airline for all of your journey. You'll never step foot on our plane. Thanks for the money and enjoy flying with China Eastern!" ;D ;D
You after checking out the cost of the China Eastern flight: >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.
But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.
Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
<< More Shifterese >>None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
<< More Shifterese >>None of which has the slightest relevance to whether the non-stop flights because all can be flown on airlines other than QANTAS:
South America to/from South Africa, South Africa to/from Australia or Australia to/from South America are genuine.
But Shifter will keep trying to muddy the waters with his idiocy - simply because that what Shifter loves to do, screw things up.
Bye bye, have fun propping up the Failed Flat Earth Fallacy!
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence
Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.
I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.
Fact - no one here has provided proof of these flight routes existence. Only conjecture. That is not evidence
Seriously? Way more evidence has been provided that the flights exist and literally zero evidence has been provided that they don't.
I mean there's even a video of a flat earther on the flight, in the cockpit, trying to show some nonsense about "level" flight and gyroscope stuff. Little did he know he was actually showing an RE flight and that it exists.
That video doesn't prove he was on 'x' flight route. Also, could be some REtard trying to discredit Flat Earthers by making them look like like a joke
Also, how does some random guy happen to get on the cockpit on a plane and take a video? That isn't even remotely allowed. Yeah sure, you get waken up by a sexy flight attendant and invited to go to the cockpit to talk about flat/round earth flight paths.
You only take this video as a proof because it suits your argument. You would never claim something like this authentic otherwise. It's a joke. It's sad that the round earthers have only this load of crap to point to and say 'SEE! THE FLIGHT IS REAL!'
Next time I'm on a flight, I fully expect the flight attendant to wake me from a sleep, invite me to the cockpit and start recording while I talk to the pilots. Sounds reasonable 8)
Also, the globe model is also nonsense.Are you pretending to be a flat earther now, or just on this thread? Asking for a friend.
How easy it must be to concoct these silly ideas when you can simply label anything you want as fake or a scam!Very, it's just lazy.
I mean, did that surgeon REALLY remove that appendix? How do you know for sure? You were anesthetized!Ha! yeah.
There is some aircraft companies producing the missinformation. They either do it for prove how they are strong. Sometimes they claim a route they never flown. Or sometimes they claim impossible flight times that nobody flight in. this is some kind of unfair competition.
I announce their names. if someone has an objection, they can say it clearly. if we have a mistake we can fix it. It is obviously impossible that while other companies constantly fly in a route in a 3 hours time, some of them claim on same route constantly in 2 hours. And sometimes some aircraft companies claim to fly some routes that they never flew.
some claim that they even get there when they are not recorded in the airport. It's a scam. it gives people the wrong information. and they mislead us when we do maps. if they dispute and if their objection is unjustified, I can sue them "for delaying my work by giving misleading information".
I'm giving the names deceiver companies now. The list of names will be increase by new knowledges:
Qantas with lie of: Sydney to Santiago flights
You FE people ... especially so-called 'Wise' - are totally wierd, and have no inkling of how the 'scientific method' operates...
Your idea of constructing a map based on flight times is ...interesting... but you take no notice of factors such as variable winds, substitute aircraft, diversions to avoid weather and the like - as far as I can see, you assume every flight has a constant speed (velocity?) and it's no wonder places are 100s or even 1000s of kilometres in the wrong place.
Also, all evidence must be considered and accounted for in the 'scientific method' - to discard data on an apparent whim (blacklisiting airlines) is not acceptible. You then only consider data which fits your model - rather than modifying your model to fit the data.
You dismiss certain flights but say 'provide evidence for their existence' - and then dismiss personal evidence of people who have actually travelled on those flights ...
All-in-all, you are total frauds!
There isn't a video evidence of flights that I will accept because any video that refutes my personal beliefs I will call a fake and demand proof that it's not faked.FTFY
There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?
The thread is around here somewhere.Found it: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78934.0
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?
My friend Francisca has flown from Santiago to Sydney. She said it was a bit boring but didn't mention any problems with the flight not existing, or Quantas being part of a sinister conspiracy. Have you really built this whole delightfully bonkers thread on the assumption that you'd never come across anyone who had flown on these flights Wise?
Francisca as a source, lol. ;D
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.Source of entertainment
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.I dare you to diagram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_diagram) that sentence structure.
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.Source of entertainment
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
it's so refreshing to know that we globulards are of some use to Wise ;D!.Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.Source of entertainment
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
If he was Chinese: Super number one fun happy wise.
Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.Source of entertainment
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
If he was Chinese: Super number one fun happy wise.
Or maybe Won Flung Dung.
On further reflecrion I completely changed the tone - is that better?Watch how Wise making globulards a clown then get fun.Source of entertainment
Wise as a source, lol. ;D
If he was Chinese: Super number one fun happy wise.
Or maybe Won Flung Dung.
I was having fun with him and you are attacking him.
Not the same thing. Don't connect my jokes with your bullshit.
There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...
Absent, doob.
It's far worse than that, read this post, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish « Reply #101 on: January 01, 2019, 05:35:13 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.msg2129994#msg2129994) Here is a bit from it:
There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...
Absent, doob.
So you refuse to believe in the *evidence* of millions of people who have flown on these (non-existent?!) flights?
You are sad, stupid or a troll, doob ...
Qantas has to kills all passangers go from Australia to Chile because there isn't anybody gone there. You can buy ticket, but you can't arrive.
Op is over a year and half old.And it goes right back to 2012 when QANTAS first flew the Sydney-Santiago route.
Where are the 100,000 funerals for all the people qantas killed?
Please present independent evidence for your totally incorrect claim!Does the lack of response mean tacit acceptance of the claim in the thread subject?There is nobody in the earth who is taking breath used/flown this route.
I do wish I knew why you think that you have to lie all the time to support the flat earth?
If the earth is really flat there should be plenty of honest evidence for that and you should have no need for outright lies like this.
But apparently you are not sure that there is real evidence that the earth is flat so you lie like this to pretend it's flat.QuoteQANTAS CELEBRATES 3 YEARS OF FLYING TO SANTIAGO SYDNEY | PUBLISHED ON 26TH MARCH 2015 AT 8:26 (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-celebrates-3-years-of-flying-to-santiago/)
Qantas today celebrates the third anniversary of its first service from Sydney to Santiago, with more than 430,000* Qantas passengers travelling on the route since launch.
Initially operating three times per week, Qantas began services from Sydney to Santiago in 2012 and increased to four services per week last year in response to strong passenger demand.
Qantas Executive Manager Global Sales, Stephen Thompson said thousands of customers were taking advantage of Qantas’ vast South American network every year.
“Demand for flights between Australia and Santiago has exceeded our expectations and forward bookings are looking very strong,” said Mr Thompson.
“The strong business market, which makes up around two thirds of our customers, together with the growing family, student and leisure segments makes Santiago a very important hub.
“Qantas offers the fastest non-stop route between Australia and South America, and our recent expansion with oneworld partner LAN enables customers to travel to more destinations in South America, more opportunities to earn frequent flyer points and have their luggage checked through to their final destination.”
*Total passenger numbers include Qantas’ direct service between Santiago and Sydney, and Qantas codeshare passengers travelling on LAN Airlines’ daily services between Sydney and Santiago via Auckland and direct between Auckland and Santiago.
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
All the pilot has to do is reduce the oxygen % in the cabin. Everyone will eventually fall unconscious and then die from oxygen deprivation. Very quiet and no one who be aware they are being killed. It literally would be a flick of a switch for them to do. Then yeah, fly to a low altitude so that you can open the cabin door then dispose of the poor souls weighted down so that they don't wash somewhere ashore and that the sea creatures feed on them until there is nothing left.
When you go to your supermarket deli and buy wild caught seafood. Some of that food could be from animals that have fed on fellow humans.
Are you seriously still shilling for Qantas rab in the face of wises concerns?? At least wise is concerned for his fellow man. You're a despicable piece of work who is happy for thousands to perish to maintain a conspiracy
No body(s), no crime.
Perhaps there is a mass grave somewhere at the bottom of the Pacific ocean between Australia and Chile of all the passengers who were jettisoned
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.
All the pilot has to do is reduce the oxygen % in the cabin. Everyone will eventually fall unconscious and then die from oxygen deprivation. Very quiet and no one who be aware they are being killed. It literally would be a flick of a switch for them to do. Then yeah, fly to a low altitude so that you can open the cabin door then dispose of the poor souls weighted down so that they don't wash somewhere ashore and that the sea creatures feed on them until there is nothing left.
When you go to your supermarket deli and buy wild caught seafood. Some of that food could be from animals that have fed on fellow humans.
Awesome, so now instead of just having to worry about microplastics and increased mercury levels in my sushi I have to think about the possibility that I'm dining on the nutrients from dead Qantas passengers. Lovely. Thanks Shifter, always a ray of sunshine you are. ;)
Great! Now that we are all up to speed and on the same page. What are we going to do about it?
Great! Now that we are all up to speed and on the same page. What are we going to do about it?
It's far worse than that, read this post, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish « Reply #101 on: January 01, 2019, 05:35:13 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.msg2129994#msg2129994) Here is a bit from it:
There isn't a video evidence of flights between impossible pathes, Sydney-Chile, Sao Paolo-Johannesburg and Perth-Johannesburg. These three path does not fit with flat earth map and there isn't a video evidence about it. Qantas claims they have transported millions of passengers from Sydney to Chile, but none of those Australians have recorded the flight. It is a fraud, not I am.
OK, sir, what about the millions of people who have travelled on these flights ...
Absent, doob.
So you refuse to believe in the *evidence* of millions of people who have flown on these (non-existent?!) flights?
You are sad, stupid or a troll, doob ...Quote from: WiseQantas has to kills all passangers go from Australia to Chile because there isn't anybody gone there. You can buy ticket, but you can't arrive.
In this context the whole thread might be worth a look, User Wise's flat earth map is rubbish (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78907.0)
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)Chemtrail operation gone bad?
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)Chemtrail operation gone bad?
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency,So you have now gone through your list and removed all of the flights from them?
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
This way the clones wake up before landing at their destination and don't realise they are clones.
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
Depends on the direction they were headed and how much time they had.If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
(https://maps-los-angeles.com/img/0/map-lax-surrounding-area.jpg)
Agreed. I assumed they were heading east so the offending dump might have been before they could reach the coast.Depends on the direction they were headed and how much time they had.If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
Seems plausible. Maybe they give every passenger one of those travel kits you get in first class with ear plugs, a sleep mask and socks. Everyone puts in their ear plugs and dons their mask that way they can't hear of see the murdering. Then, instead of socks, they are really cement booties to keep the ejected bodies undersea. Just spitballing, but could work.Don't forget the other crucial piece(s), before the execution a top secret cloning facility on a partner plane proceeds to produce clones of every one of them, still unconscious, and copies of their luggage is produced (although only the carry-on on the plane). Then their memories are transferred from the original to the clone.
This way the clones wake up before landing at their destination and don't realise they are clones.
Wow and you say we're crazy ::) What an utter load of preposterous nonsense!
(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2020/01/14/20200114_jet_fuel_dump_map_03_desktop.png)That makes sense. If that is the flight path that they were directed to fly that's about all they could do and I can imagine the cockpit being a little too hectic to consider much else that fly the plane.
We have many, many more children than necessary but the oceans are dying, I think he made the right call.
Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
I am not a judge.Then why did you decide to blacklist them? That sure sounds like you are being a judge.
Had that plane crashed on Los Angeles it would have been devastating!Delta Airlines is black listed after a Delta jet dumps fuel on L.A. schools during midair emergency, injured at least 50 students. (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84578.0)
They had an engine problem and were too heavy to land. Do you propose they should have just crashed?
You say it like you are a judge of this investigation it that way. this can only be confirmed by a fair and impartial investigation. I am not a judge. I'm not going to accept a lesser evil to avoid a greater evil. it is the responsibility of the pilot to make required maintain the aircraft before flight. Pilot mistakes make the airline responsible inavitable.
Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!Your completely wrong.
What if chemtrails are the passengers?
This is huge! Huge, I tells you!
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.
Sorry but I live in Queensland where you might land in jail for leaving an 11 year old home alone for a while.
If they had just left LAX I would have thought that was very close to the ocean and they might have dumped at least most of it over the ocean.
OMG! This is California. The penalties for polluting the water far outweighs that of dousing kids with jet fuel.
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I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you. >:(
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I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you. >:(
I think the new one he had ripped has made him rather tetchy. What ever you do don’t mention the ‘I’ word.
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I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you. >:(
racist hate speech islamophobia is reported. You could done your suggestion without use any hate speech to islam. God and all of his creatures damn you.Islamaphobia isn't racism as Islam is not a race.
No, but 'Curiouser and Curiouser's statement was just straight up racist. It wasn't attacking Islam, but calling a group of people "camel fuckers" and "mentally retarted pig-whores". Can't get much more racist than that.racist hate speech islamophobia is reported. You could done your suggestion without use any hate speech to islam. God and all of his creatures damn you.Islamaphobia isn't racism as Islam is not a race.
I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
Like I tried to say, I do think people should have the freedom to bash figureheads no matter the position, but bunching every single member of a creed or religion or nation together as one entity is not cool.Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
For the crusades, the pope is said to want it. however, westerners don't know why. the reason for this is in our sources. The poetry of the Islamic poet Ghazmeli mahmut that a poem humiliated Jesus reached the pope is the real reason. however, this information is not shared in the public of west so that this rationale does not cause larger problems in the future. But we know it exactly.
I mean, such behaves even cause wars.
There can be two types of behave. One of them is humiliating a historical figure that many people like and respect him. this is ugly behavior can provoke many people. But humiliating a people because they believe somebody is a direct agressive behave and is a direct crime. in this example, the criminal accused them of having perverted belief by directly targeting a group. this is a direct attack. The crime committed in our example is not an incitement, but a direct attack. this is both racist and islamophobic. it cannot just be pass it by defining as ugly behavior or a behaviour not cool. It is a direct agressive racist and islamofobic attack. The next stage of this is mass murder. such people need to be treated. but unfortunately they are poisoning those who may be affected by writing in such environments.Like I tried to say, I do think people should have the freedom to bash figureheads no matter the position, but bunching every single member of a creed or religion or nation together as one entity is not cool.Humiliating a historical personality is different than humiliating a group of people because they believe in someone. I hope you can understand the difference.I told its being both racist and islamophobic. Both were exist.Well, I can curse Christ all I want, and the same goes for you. I don't consider any fictional or historical prophets and/or religious figures untouchable. But all in all what Curious wrote was pretty vile. And more than unnecessary.
His swearing to prophet is islamofobia, and swearing a bunch of people seemingly adressing Iranians was racist.
For the crusades, the pope is said to want it. however, westerners don't know why. the reason for this is in our sources. The poetry of the Islamic poet Ghazmeli mahmut that a poem humiliated Jesus reached the pope is the real reason. however, this information is not shared in the public of west so that this rationale does not cause larger problems in the future. But we know it exactly.
I mean, such behaves even cause wars.
Winds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
QuoteWinds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
You are an uneducated fool of a troll!
You claim 'winds have no effect on an aircraft'...
Well - how do they fly? In what medium?
AIR - and a wind is simply a movement of a mass of air.
Well, how stupid can you get...
QuoteWinds have no effect to aircrafts. An aircraft about 150tons but you claim winds effect it. On the other hand, whatever the winds come from any direction, can't effect to a car has only 900kgs. It is logically meaningless.
Winds effect is just a globist lie. Its related with travel times. If one direction is longer than opposite route, globists start to talk about winds effect. But winds never effect on well known routes. For example, in Europe winds don't effect the aircraft.
Anyway.
You are one of the lawyer of the evil; so that your claims has no value more than a rubbish in my mind. You may continue to lie, no problem.
You are an uneducated fool of a troll!
You claim 'winds have no effect on an aircraft'...
Well - how do they fly? In what medium?
AIR - and a wind is simply a movement of a mass of air.
Well, how stupid can you get...
No I am not. Your post has been reported as insult. You are doing it in the aim of save the son of Hitler. You are either alt of the racist attacker or anybpdy else has a problem with me. Winds are not the recent issue we are discussing. You are using another issue here proves I am not the troll but I will not use this word for you.
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I'm not even Muslim and I find that post to be f'ing disgusting and offensive to the highest degree. Every negative connotative word in existence can be applied to the likes of you. >:(
I think the new one he had ripped has made him rather tetchy. What ever you do don’t mention the ‘I’ word.
There is a racist islamophobic speech and do you expect "I" or "we" ignore it? Which is the crime, doing a crime or critising it? Becomes trendy or not, this should be stopped.
No, but 'Curiouser and Curiouser's statement was just straight up racist. It wasn't attacking Islam, but calling a group of people "camel fuckers" and "mentally retarted pig-whores". Can't get much more racist than that.Sure it can, by calling a race of people that.
His swearing to prophet is islamofobiaWhich is why there is nothing wrong with Islamophobia in general.
Who supports him, he is the son of Hitler.Why?
JackBlack you have just demonstrated your utter ignorance about billions of people across the world.How?
Way to demonstrate your racist bogan red neck beliefs ::)
JackBlack you have just demonstrated your utter ignorance about billions of people across the world.How?
Way to demonstrate your racist bogan red neck beliefs ::)
Again, Islam isn't a race.
How is it racist in any way?
Again, they are free to choose to follow Islam or reject it.
Do you feel the same way about people not praising Nazis?
Certainly you have that bigoted 'I'm better than you' attitude on these forums.As do you!
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.
We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.
I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481
PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.
We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.
I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481
PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.
We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.
I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481
PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
American Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.
We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.
I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481
PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
Wise is from Turkey and a flat earther.
While I despise racism in all forms, the phenomena of "guilt by accusation" is equally despicable.this is proof that it supports racism. racism has nothing to do with this issue. You have been marked as a racist. for your information.
It's simpler than that. There is a massive amount of evidence against the very possibility of a flat-EarthAmerican Airlines is black listed after racist scandale. Yehuda Yosef Adler, his wife Jennie and their young daughter were removed from the flight to Detroit last January. They claim staff made comments about their Orthodox Jewish faith. American Airlines said the decision to remove the family was not based on religion. They claim customers complained about Mr Adler's odour. The lawsuit, filed in Texas, cites defamation, emotional distress and discrimination relating to religion.
We are not a court and has not to wait till lawsuit ends. They have been blacklisted because of "claim of racism". Whether they are so, or not. But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is so, I have not to be objective, I can not be objective, because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to me, and as a last, we are always with the victims.
I don't know what their intentions are. we are not a court. but we are not obliged to act objectively. we are with that family even just because they are victims. Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=84695.msg2232902#msg2232902
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51324481
PS: We can only remove them if they apologize.
So you never heard of the phrase innocent until proven guilty? Thus you trust every person that file a claim against an airline whatever the reason is that a person is either rejected boarding or removing from the aircraft. Pretty biased in my opinion.If you continue this you don't have any airline left that can be 'trusted' to fly with. Good job Wise!
Place of the Conspiracy in FET (http://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Place+of+the+Conspiracy+in+FET)
. . . . . . . . Flat Earthers start with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence, all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.
Essentially the reasoning boils down to -
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence
P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.
But family claims it, it seems so, I believe it is soSo yet again you decide to be judge.
I have not to be objective, I can not be objectiveYes, it is quite obvious that you can't be objective. But if you want people to take your blacklisting seriously, you need to be objective.
because there are many racist men in USA hence this seems natural to mei.e. you're a racist.
Such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century! What the century we are living in, medieval?Yes, such an approach is unacceptable in the 21st century. Your racism has made you conclude these people are guilty without any evidence.
;D ;D ;D No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them. ;D
I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
Hi mre. "jetstreams" are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.;D ;D ;D No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them. ;D
I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
Hi mre. "jetstreams" are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.;D ;D ;D No no no, bro! May be some russians are generally drunk, but they can`t driving along 3 years in case road police control. Airplane speed consist from two parts: speed relative to air flow (and this speed is really less then sonic speed. about 900km/h) and speed of airfllow relative to Earth. As well known exists airflows with extreamly high speed, called "jetstreams" (up to 300km/h). So ground speed of airplane may have range from 600 up to 1200km/h in case A-320 for example.You are perhaps a Russian but Russia is a hoax. Russia claims the areas actually are owned by China, owned by themselves. I'm not sure if there is Russia or not, except Yakuts, Moscow and North of them. ;D
I'm not Russian, but some flights be Russian faster than others.All speed differences considered. You can't fly faster than 1.000 km/h with an A320. None of the route you can't do it. If you claim it, you are a liar. I examined more than 100.000 flights and never saw an A320 runs faster than 900km/h. But some companies claim it. So it is a lie. But you don't aware it because you are ignorant in that issue.
You said the companies constantly claim it, but no-one has ever complained. If an aircraft company lied to you about the length of your flight, wouldn't you complain? I certainly would. Especially if they did it constantly.
Russians are generally drunk. So that Ruskies runs as how they are drunked and runs about 50% more than requered. Then people think that Russia is bigger. No, Russia is smaller than China, but Ruskies are not driving without drink a votka. Anyway I'm turning to my work. Thanks for your comment but means nothing for me.
Hi mre. "jetstreams" are not proven. They are urban legend created for correct map mistakes like magnetic deviation.You just say "jetstreams are not proven" but words without evidence are not enough.
Magnetic declination (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination)
Magnetic declination, or magnetic variation, is the angle on the horizontal plane between magnetic north (the direction the north end of a magnetized compass needle points, corresponding to the direction of the Earth's magnetic field lines) and true north (the direction along a meridian towards the geographic North Pole). This angle varies depending on position on the Earth's surface and changes over time.
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By convention, declination is positive when magnetic north is east of true north, and negative when it is to the west. Isogonic lines are lines on the Earth's surface along which the declination has the same constant value, and lines along which the declination is zero are called agonic lines. The lowercase Greek letter δ (delta) is frequently used as the symbol for magnetic declination.
The term magnetic deviation is sometimes used loosely to mean the same as magnetic declination, but more correctly it refers to the error in a compass reading induced by nearby metallic objects, such as iron on board a ship or aircraft.
Magnetic declination should not be confused with magnetic inclination, also known as magnetic dip, which is the angle that the Earth's magnetic field lines make with the downward side of the horizontal plane.
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Level curves drawn on a declination map to denote the magnetic declination, described by signed degrees. Each level curve is an isogonic line.
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?Is that the airline that the plane fell apart upon landing in Turkey?
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?Is that the airline that the plane fell apart upon landing in Turkey?
Is Pegasus Airlines on your list yet?I am following the issue in respect of caused by whether aircraft fault, pilotage mistake, or tower mistake. if there is a company or pilot error, I will do this. But the indicators up to now reveal that some wind control devices at Sabiha Gökçen airport are missing. Maybe it's not the first time a company, but I can add the airport to the list. I am waiting for the result of the investigation. this is my country, everything must be legal as soon as possible.
I am following the issue in respect of caused by whether aircraft fault, pilotage mistake, or tower mistake. if there is a company or pilot error, I will do this. But the indicators up to now reveal that some wind control devices at Sabiha Gökçen airport are missing. Maybe it's not the first time a company, but I can add the airport to the list. I am waiting for the result of the investigation. this is my country, everything must be legal as soon as possible.I suggest that you leave the investigation to the expert air crash investigators.
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.
So you put a public opinion above the result of an investigation about the American Airlines issue. Strange, because nowadays almost everyone is saying 'discrimination' first before hearing, questioning why they are refused. And this doesn't apply only to airline companies, but also to other companies and organizations as well.
If you were indeed subjective then you have had wait what the outcome is from the investigation, and not put American Airlines directly on the black list.I told subjective, not objective.
Why don't you black-list every airline company and search then for the liability, trust and all sort of things that are your 'requirements'. Think that you will end with 2 or none airline companies that you trust completely.Public reaction is important in comparing these two airlines. it was shared in the american public that this was a racist behavior which American Airlines did. Of course, if this situation changes at the end of the case of court, I will remove them from the list and I have already stated this.
In my opinion you will black list every airline company that is either accused for discrimination, false information and what not based on the stories that you hear without waiting for a fully investigation.
You will wait to put the Pegasus Airline to the blacklist, but put the American Airlines immediately to your 'black list' without waiting for the investigation results. Little, or better, enormous biased opinion.
Contrary, the general view on pegasus is dominated by the view that this is due to a technical problem at the airport. I did not add them, but there are case investigations there too. If the pegasus will be found guilty as a result of the investigation, you can be sure that I will not hesitate to add them.
So you put a public opinion above the result of an investigation about the American Airlines issue. Strange, because nowadays almost everyone is saying 'discrimination' first before hearing, questioning why they are refused. And this doesn't apply only to airline companies, but also to other companies and organizations as well.
Subjective means something which does not show the clear picture or it is just a person's outlook or expression of opinion. An objective statement is based on facts and observations. On the other hand, a subjective statement relies on assumptions, beliefs, opinions and influenced by emotions and personal feelings.
According to the first information leaked from the investigation, the main reason of accident is stated to be the wind coming from the back of the plane.Which the pilots should have been able to notice, and compensate for. So that would make it pilot error.
SAA is on its way to going under. I dont think NASA is paying them enough money to keep the globe earth conspiracy going. Do you think they can convince NASA to pay them more money or they spill the beans?global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
According to the first information leaked from the investigation, the main reason of accident is stated to be the wind coming from the back of the plane.
global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
Companies do go bankrupt and lose tons of cash. Most of their remaining cash then goes to their debtors, and their investors usually gets left in the dust.
SAA is a state owned enterprise, meaning all of its debt is backed by goverment bonds. It has a lot more debt than it can ever pay off, and the goverment is running out of people to Tax. Turns out all the evil rich people where needed in the first place.
The point is, SAA has become a black hole for cash and is only staying a float because banks are happy to give more loans if they are guaranteed by government bonds. The rest of the country is not happy about that, and want to stop the idiocracy.
So back to my original question. How much do you think NASA is paying them, and can they demand more hush money now? They only need about $1 billion every 3-4 months.
Yes, I deny it!global companies never bankrup in fact. they transfer money by pretending they are bankrupting. I can even write a book about it. money is not real, it the only real is swap.First, although you may think you can write a book on it, im sure it wont be a recommended best seller.
Companies do go bankrupt and lose tons of cash. Most of their remaining cash then goes to their debtors, and their investors usually gets left in the dust.
SAA is a state owned enterprise, meaning all of its debt is backed by goverment bonds. It has a lot more debt than it can ever pay off, and the goverment is running out of people to Tax. Turns out all the evil rich people where needed in the first place.
The point is, SAA has become a black hole for cash and is only staying a float because banks are happy to give more loans if they are guaranteed by government bonds. The rest of the country is not happy about that, and want to stop the idiocracy.
So back to my original question. How much do you think NASA is paying them, and can they demand more hush money now? They only need about $1 billion every 3-4 months.
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.
global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.
global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.
SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.With all the insults you throw you shouldn't be complaining about others calling you out on your dishonesty.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.Wait, If the routes between Perth and Johannesburg are fake, what exactly happens to my cousins, father and grandmother twice a year?
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.
In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.Wait, If the routes between Perth and Johannesburg are fake, what exactly happens to my cousins, father and grandmother twice a year?
Do they get magically teleported from Joburg to Perth once in the airport?
Please explain?
Also, they are a State Owned Enterprise (SEO) Meaning that they are run like shit, and right now are more likely to die than ever before.
What single incentive does my government have to listen to the USA if they asked us to crease "fake routes"? If it was to keep any secret, now is the best time to bribe NASA for billions every year. What exactly will NASA do to SAA is they reveal any secret?
South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.
The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.
Prove what?I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.
The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.
You are lying. Prove it. Your father being a pilot does not magically shorten the flight time.
You are just claiming. You have nothing. The only evidence I can accept a full flight time video. All others can be created. I have more than 100 thousand flight data and this flight data proves that route cannot be passed in that time.Prove what?I mean flight time by telling fake route. Likewise it is written on the first page. those flights are available but flight times are wrong.My father is a Pilot. He would notice if the flight was 5 min late or 10 miles off course.South African Airlines with the lie of: Johannesburg to Perth flights. (flight time)
My Aunt would have burnt the airport down if she was 10 min late.
The flight times are correct, your maps are build out of your delusions.
You are lying. Prove it. Your father being a pilot does not magically shorten the flight time.
How about you prove that the flight times are incorrect.
Get on a ticket to Johannesburg right now, ill even fly up to meet you at the airport.
Then book a ticket to Perth, Prices are very low now because most people are bailing on SAA, so lots of empty flights.
Get on the flight and time it all the way there.
Once you have done that, then you can say you have proof.
All I have is direct confirmation of at least 5 family members plus another about 4 friends that the direct route from Perth to Joburg is exactly as advertised.
What do you have?
So you are google earth believer. Why do you ask me about it? Did you ever ask your father about the flight times instead? Or, is google your father?The flights are always a point of discussion when people come over. Including the question, "how long was your flight?"
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.
In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.
In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.
Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?
So you are google earth believer. Why do you ask me about it? Did you ever ask your father about the flight times instead? Or, is google your father?The flights are always a point of discussion when people come over. Including the question, "how long was your flight?"
If the flight was longer than advertised it would have repeatedly come up seeing as there have probably been about 50 flights in the last 20 years from just my various family members.
So I have direct verbal evidence that the flights are as advertised.
What evidence do you have?
How long do you think the flights should be?
Some people claiming something do not prove anything.Your some people.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.
In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.
Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?
No, I have answered but you are either unable to get what you read or denying the facts. You have asked me what is their benefit to lying and I have wrote it. Some people claiming something do not prove anything. Their number being more than me isn't an evidence.
You are lying. Prove it.How about you prove it or stop lying?
Stop lying my son!
Baseless claims aren'T evidence. I don't accept anything else other than a real time video. Number of liars can not make a lie into reality. There is a map here (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0)and you can measure it yourself. Considering an aircraft goes average 1.000km/h you can calculate it by yourself. Anyways this is not the issue here.True, YOUR "Baseless claims aren't evidence".
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
And what is the benefit for NASA when 'they creating fake routes' ? Since I'm living in Europe I really don't care what NASA thinks or do. However I don't reject NASA and space in general, since I know that space is real. However I am always fascinated that the FErs always use NASA as their 'go-to guy' when they are not able to explain everything.
In general, what is the purpose of hiding anything 'the truth' according to you?
Black money. Contracting with an airline company to produce fake routes and making a deal with a simulation company to claim to send a rocket into space has the same effect on public. So called Sending rockets into space is direct argument and the supportive argument is to produce fake routes. fake routes really help the public believe that you are really sending the rocket.
Still not an answer to my question. Black money doesn't cover this. Also what has fake routed to with rockets? Rockets are real and so are these flight routes. Do you have any evidence that these flights are fake? While thousands of people has flown these routes in real life?
No, I have answered but you are either unable to get what you read or denying the facts. You have asked me what is their benefit to lying and I have wrote it. Some people claiming something do not prove anything. Their number being more than me isn't an evidence.
Your answer is black money. So where is this black money coming from then? And what is the purpose of using black money to create these fake flights, as you call it? And I assume that you have much more flights that doesn't fit your model of Earth? If this is the case don't you ask yourself why there are difference between the real flight times and the flight times that you expected? Real scientists will ask them this and try to find what the reason is why it is not the same. However you instead say 'these flights must be fake because they don't fit with my model' and that's it.
I will ask again.
What evidence do you have that the flight from South Africa to Perth is wrong.
No!I will ask again.
What evidence do you have that the flight from South Africa to Perth is wrong.
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world.
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world. look. I did not create a map by myself. I placed them on the map based on the flight times of the planes. While 99% are perfectly compatible, 1% are incompatible. and incompatible flights between sidney, johannesburg, perth, santiago. the others are OK. For example, there is no problem with sao paolo madrid flight. but agreements have been made with several flight companies and false routes have been produced. and there is no video evidence of these suspicious flights.Im sure you have been told this before, but Ill say it incase you ignored it.
Whatever you tell can not be evidence but a full flight video that you have not.
This is not the issue but if you want to continue, you can continue it here, by adding there a real flight video:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0)
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world. look. I did not create a map by myself. I placed them on the map based on the flight times of the planes. While 99% are perfectly compatible, 1% are incompatible. and incompatible flights between sidney, johannesburg, perth, santiago. the others are OK. For example, there is no problem with sao paolo madrid flight. but agreements have been made with several flight companies and false routes have been produced. and there is no video evidence of these suspicious flights.Im sure you have been told this before, but Ill say it incase you ignored it.
Whatever you tell can not be evidence but a full flight video that you have not.
This is not the issue but if you want to continue, you can continue it here, by adding there a real flight video:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82172.0)
On a flat earth projected map that is taken literally.
All Flights going from East to West or West to East in the southern hemisphere will be wrong. The further the flight, the bigger the discrepancy.
Flights going North to South will be fine as your map will stretch out fine that way.
I have personally flown from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo none stop over the ocean. The flight took exactly as long as it said it would.
I bet that you excluded that flight from your map because it would break your map.
The issue is, your starting with a conclusion and excluding everything that does not agree with it. That is not science, that is directly lying to people. You are lying to people.
I have examined more than 100.000 flights and only flights between those 4 cities are contradicted others, hence I have eliminated them. Your baseless slanders do not magically make me a liar but makes you a slanderer. I have gave you an adress. If you have a proof then publish there. Johannesburg and Sao Paolo flights are not evident. There are 2 hours difference even between flights belong to same company. Those flights are made up.
Why can not you put forward a vide evidence flights between Santiago and Sydney. This is the most difference between both maps. If you haven't a proof so shut up instead of baseless slanders and insults. Oh, surely, you are doing it because you are an angry globalist trying to prove how you are in anger.
I have nothingCorrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's, your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
I dont think you know what baseless actually means.I have nothingCorrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's, your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.
global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.
SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
I dont think you know what baseless actually means.I have nothingCorrected. Your baseless claims only binds yourself. Those are not evidences. Your baseless claims aren't evidences. Your claiming your traveling somewhere isn't an evidence. I do not have to accept your, your pilot father's, your hostess mother's so called travels. Hence, you have nothing but lies in my opinion.
It means that you have no actual sources of information.
Lets see what each of us have as evidence.
I have
- personal experience
- testemony from more than 5 people
You have
- The information that you have no direct knowledge of does not match your outlandish hypothesis.
Also, editing other peoples quotes is a true sign of dishonesty.
Your backed up against the wall because you know your being caught out, your true self is starting to show.
Don't be so sure. Many of my suggestions became law. You can deny, but it is. Closing your eyes does not change the truths to lies.Bankrupt by definition is when a company can no longer pay its debt.
global capital is one and only and they decide which companies to become wealthy or bankrupt. this is usually for a political purpose. The SAA example is no different. rulers are always dummy. they are always governed by global capital behind the scenes. what you see as "bankruptcy" is just the displacement of capital. So there is no real bankruptcy. so nasa doesn't need to do anything additionally.
Are you saying that no company has ever gone belly up? Have you ever read the news? Look at the stock market? Pulled your head out of your ass? Heard of Lehman Brothers, Blockbuster or Enron?
SOME companies get bailouts from governments when there are huge national interests at stake, such as massive amount of layoffs. But that is very much the exception. MOST 99%+ of companies either have to sell the remainder of the company off for pennies (as buying it comes with a lot of debt), or have to liquidate completely to repay their debt. MOST companies do not survive bankruptcy.
SAA may survive, only because it is a state owned company. Meaning that the South African government can (and probably will) keep throwing money at it even if it never turns a profit. The sensible thing is to let it dies, Because I would chose my tax money get wasted elsewhere.
As I have mentioned above, it is not anything your government can decide. Likewise NASA has decided your so called compain create a fake route between Perth and Johannesburg, they still continue which conspiracy SAA has to obey. I do not want to respond to other statements because there are insulting elements in your statements.
Can you stop blaming NASA for everything? NASA is not a scapegoat for not having any evidence.
Wise. You know that your map is basically a globe? If you don't please take a look to this video.
Wise. You know that your map is basically a globe? If you don't please take a look to this video.
It is not my map. My map is a full of scientific map, here it is:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
If I would use your so called globe map then you would be right. But I have started from an empty map and fulled it with full of knowledge.At the end of the work I found a flat map completely the result of scientific examinations, calculations and measurements.
No, I know what is baseless more than you know. It means that you have no actual sources of information.Ah, I seem to understand where the problem lies.
Lets see what you have as evidence: Your baseless so called experiences. These are clearly not evidence and only binds yourself that I don't care. They are obviously not an evidence in any type. Your dreams and your imagination aren't evidence. So, you have nothing in the name of evidence.
Lets see what I have as evidence: More than 100.000 flights and they based a very strong map working.
So, give up baseless claims and face the reality, the earth's being flat. But this is not the issue. You are sabotaging the issue with your baseless claims and imagination.
American tax payers is the source of this black money. The money spent on rockets that don't go into space isn't actually spent.No, it is spent. They construct rockets and launch it, or higher another company to do so.
The routes I named are incorrect. no, there is no problem with the others. the main problem is that these flights are incompatible with others.Again, all the evidence shows they are correct.
Because it is incompatibled with remained 100.000 flights made in entire world.No, they aren't.
If you haven't a proof so shut up instead of baseless slanders and insults. Oh, surely, you are doing it because you are an angry globalist trying to prove how you are in anger.Good advice. If you don't have proof that these flights are fake and there is a conspiracy and NASA is lying then shut up instead baseless slander and insults. Unless you want everyone to think you are an angry flattard trying to prove you are angry because your delusions are wrong?
Other Flat earthers may act vary. But I am consistent. My map is equally true in both circles, northern or southern hemicircle.Your map is a heap of garbage that no flat Earther, other than you accepts.
All real flights fit with my map. Black listed three company is cheating, it is not my problem. One of them is gone. Others will either admit their crime or will bankrupt like it. Because the great decision is made, they can not resist it till infinity.No, all real flights do NOT fit onto your map. The following REAL flights prove that YOUR map is totally incorrect!
I did not have to accept your so called travels without you bring a real evidence other than baseless claim you did it. You need more than you claim it to prove.Of course, YOU don't have to accept the truth.
GreaterSapien - The Day The Sun Stood Still - QF63 SYD-JNB | Greater Sapien - Sydney to Johannessburg by Jesse Kozlowski |
More impossible travel by GreaterSapien | Sydney to Johannesburg Flight Path by Donald Kronos |
How did you come to the conclusion Denver is farther north than London?According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
It snows in Kenya less that 500km away from the equator. Is Kenya now north of Istanbul too?
Your map is a joke
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.Temperature does not determine how far North something is.
Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
It snows in Kenya less that 500km away from the equator. Is Kenya now north of Istanbul too?
Your map is a joke
I did not told anything as "temperature determines the distance to north" but it is an evidence. Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are completely a pawn of liars.
Well, that just proves how silly your map "According to 100.000 flights" really is!How did you come to the conclusion Denver is farther north than London?According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.
Denver today 1° and London 8°. If we comparet the weather statistics of the whole year, London remains tropical compared to Denver. So much so that, London is in same latitude with Istanbul. I am following the weather statistics for years between these cities and I can clearly say that the weather in London is similar to Istanbul.
Have you tried to count how many pubs a place has to correlate its location yet?It gives some idea in Australia ;)! The fewer the pubs the nearer the red centre. Birdsville has only one ;D!
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
<< Rubbish deleted >>Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.And it is completely wrong to simply use "the temperature to verify their positions"!
Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.No, you used something worse that the weather to determine position, you used flight times.
<< Rubbish deleted >>Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
Yet, you just used weather to determaine the position of a city.Again; No, I did not. I have used 100.000 flights to determine the position of the city. I have used the temperature to verify their positions. I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
If you had examined 100k flights according to your own criteria, there must me 100k full length, uncut, flight videos you reviewed as well. As I remember, unless there is a full length, uncut, flight video, that flight doesn't exist, according to you.
Did you review 100k full length, uncut, flight videos?
Well, tell you master to do likewise and keep his attacks on Australia, in particular, and airlines that fly these "southern" routes in AR too.<< Rubbish deleted >>Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are king of liars.
Keep your antagonising BS to the lower fora. Seriously, this is a general section anandd his black list for flat earthers.
Your map is joke, you are a joke. You are completely a pawn of liars.And then look at this.
I'll not warn you anymore. Your baseless accusations and lies have started to be boring Mister Tabletinoz.
Who are you to come here to insult, belittle berate and debate on a topic that has nothing to do with you or your beliefs.It has every to do with me and my beliefs, thank you, Mr Shifter!
According to 100.000 flights, Denver has to be closer north than London. And climate statistics support this.No, the flights don't support that at all. Just the way you stuck it all together, completely ignoring errors.
I have examined 100k flights by their flight times. I have examined about hundreds video about controversial flights.So you don't demand videos for all flights, just the ones you don't like.
Quote from: Shifter
Nonsense removed
There is no reason you can't show a little decorum in objections in a forum that's made for it
The AR forum suits your more low brow manner of speaking
Qantas has a shady past, dodgy business practices and questionable routes. Why we wouldn't it be on a flat earthers black list?
I think you screwed your quotes up :o. Have another go ;D ;D!Quote from: Shifter
Nonsense removed
There is no reason you can't show a little decorum in objections in a forum that's made for it
The AR forum suits your more low brow manner of speaking
Qantas has a shady past, dodgy business practices and questionable routes. Why we wouldn't it be on a flat earthers black list?
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^I'm doing my best at alerting others to your deceptive cherry-picking. Thanks for the encouragement.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.
Still your map is not accurate.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.
Still your map is not accurate.
No, it is. Your baseless denying does not magically make it not accurate.I don't see what angry globalist gang are writing, but thank them for help in promoting the topic and upping it by writing unnecessary things. ^-^Seeing as I have not seen a single reference to your own map by anyone other than you, I dont think its making the impact you think it is.
Help me rab: up! up! up! ^-^
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this? Yes. the rest is no problem. the rest happens spontaneously.
Still your map is not accurate.
Every airline route works perfect on the globe model. You can even project the route of an airline correctly on your map. Also are the distances accurate both ways? I don't think so, since your map is based on flight-times.
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.Wait, 2 questions Wise.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)
I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.Wait, 2 questions Wise.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)
I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?
2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)
Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.
A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.
Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.
SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.
Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.
Yes, weather is now part of the giant conspiracy.SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.
Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.
I gave the link. Click any of link contain identify of plane. Open any of past flights below. You'll see all planes are using the pathes not required.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD
Because the map is wrong. No excuses reported you mentioned. Stop to produse LIES! You can not correct the lies by more lying!
Yes, weather is now part of the giant conspiracy.SO Wise. I dont know when you took that screen shot. But there is a huge ass storm coming in from the West between Taiwan and China. If you are a plane you may want to avoid flying through a storm.
Clouds are an independent effect of the earth being round.
I gave the link. Click any of link contain identify of plane. Open any of past flights below. You'll see all planes are using the pathes not required.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=RCTP&destination=ZSPD
Because the map is wrong. No excuses reported you mentioned. Stop to produse LIES! You can not correct the lies by more lying!
Explain why 20% of the flights on that link are canceled?
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.Wait, 2 questions Wise.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)
I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?
2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)
Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.
A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.
Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.
Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.Wait, 2 questions Wise.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)
I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?
2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)
Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.
A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.
Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.
Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.
You deliberately ignore the option of No-Fly zones that MaNaeSWolf pointed out as one of the reasons why this route is like this. See this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait to see that there is a No-Fly zone located in the mentioned route
One of you are telling no fly zone but the other one is telling weather conditions. Which one? So you are denying the weather conditions are causing it, right? So wolfy may tell lie. But you are telling to support him. How is it possible in one hand you are denying his theory by offering another one and telling you are supporting him on the other hand. Whay a hypocrisy! Are you jackblack and rabinoz in fact?
Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:
- Weather conditions?
- Forbidden zone?
Both? If so, prove! Stop to telling so and so!
Here is a list off al no-fly zones in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_airspace I think that you find some more flights that use a different route then you thinkThis list is very incomplete.
It isn't even complete for the countries it does have. Prohibited airspace is just part of it. There are many restricted and other airspaces used for training that they routinely route civilian traffic around. But for some of that airspace (like the Warning areas over the gulf of Mexico) if it is not in use then they will open it up temporarily.Here is a list off al no-fly zones in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_airspace I think that you find some more flights that use a different route then you thinkThis list is very incomplete.
It does not include my country, South Africa (which has many no fly areas)
North Korea
Iran
Iraq
India
China
Its basically the tip of the iceberg list.
Nope. You don't know what is the meaning of perfect.Wait, 2 questions Wise.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/mRl8L1.png)
I can show you tens of examples like this one. Why? Because the distance shown in the map is shorter than reality, no way but showing it by this way.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!
1 - Looking at flight paths like this, how did you think that flight routes would be a reliable manner to measure distance from different cities in the world?
2 - Do you know all the circumstances around why that particular route was chosen?
Have you considered any of the following
- the fact that different planes have different speeds.
- high altitude winds.
- any weather effects.
- city altitude.
- flight path.
- flight profile.
- holding patterns and airport traffic.
- no fly zones (of which China has many)
Unless you have calculated each flight after correcting for these things, there is zero chance your map has any accuracy.
A plane can easily fly for an additional 30-45 min in a holding pattern over a city throwing your map off by hundreds to thousands of km, especially in congested airports.
Anyway, on the globe map those 2 points are about 700km apart.
Such problems did not reported about those path. Your imagination vs reality. I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.
You deliberately ignore the option of No-Fly zones that MaNaeSWolf pointed out as one of the reasons why this route is like this. See this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Strait to see that there is a No-Fly zone located in the mentioned route
One of you are telling no fly zone but the other one is telling weather conditions. Which one? So you are denying the weather conditions are causing it, right? So wolfy may tell lie. But you are telling to support him. How is it possible in one hand you are denying his theory by offering another one and telling you are supporting him on the other hand. Whay a hypocrisy! Are you jackblack and rabinoz in fact?
Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:
- Weather conditions?
- Forbidden zone?
Both? If so, prove! Stop to telling so and so!
courage is to defend what it known right against the world. can I do this?Well technically you could do that. The problem is you seem to choose not to and instead outright fight against what is known to be right.
Distance shown in the map seems 963kms. In fact, it is about 1.300kms in my map, ie the true distance. You can see a straight line shown in my map about this flight. And this is the perfect I meant!And that isn't perfect, it is nonsense.
I chose the reality. Give up to defend lies. Nothing can explain hundreds of flights between Shangai and Taiwan constantly uses same extraordinary route. Stop to produse excuses for your wrong map.No, you chose to reject reality. Stop making up excuses for your failed map.
Show the forbid flight zone and prove this path includes it by China national sources. Stop do empty! Make an agreement him, which you offer:Don't try and shift the burden of proof.
I overlaid the Taiwan Strait no fly (forbidden) zone on top of the flight path you referenced. And it looks like a match. You should pick a different flight that isn't impacted by such a thing:Thanks Stash, you did what I did not even bother to do.
(https://i.imgur.com/VISF0d0.png)
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?If you read the article, its because they have to enter within certain defined corridors or Taiwan could confuse the plane with a Chinese fighter and shoot it down.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/YVPlqz.png)
No mountain, no altitude, no FIR, no forbid zone. Why so lie?
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?
(https://i.hizliresim.com/YVPlqz.png)
No mountain, no altitude, no FIR, no forbid zone. Why so lie?
This is possible by this way:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)
Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.
next lie!
This is possible by this way:They decided that their route was best based on hundreds of different factors. And you want every one of those things explained to you? What did your last slave die of?
(https://i.hizliresim.com/agqDzz.png)
next lie!
This is possible by this way:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)
Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.
next lie!
Sure, it's possible. But it just looks like to me as soon as they get north past the strait's no fly zone, they make a hard left to get back into the Taiwan ONLY ADIZ that is not shared with China's. Which, when you think about it, makes sense.
You should probably bring up an example that isn't a part of hotly contested territories with ADIZ's and such. Your example here is not working in your benefit.
They decided that their route was best based on hundreds of different factors. And you want every one of those things explained to you? What did your last slave die of?I told I don't want to talk you anymore because you are not sincere at all acting alt of angry globalists here, targetin me with an anger.
What we have very clearly shown you is that there are a lot of factors involved when deciding flight routes, and simply taking flight times into consideration is not a good measure of how far things are.
Every airline route works perfect on the globe model.
This is possible by this way:So YOU say!
https://i.hizliresim.com/PG3ol9.png (https://i.hizliresim.com/PG3ol9.png)
Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.
I don't believe Taiwan controls air space of a part of China.They dont, air space is hotly contested there all the time. Hint, The whole South China Sea is a political hot spot.
This is possible by this way:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/BGX0Lg.png)
Now our aircraft has entered same zones just by using a better route.
next lie!
Sure, it's possible. But it just looks like to me as soon as they get north past the strait's no fly zone, they make a hard left to get back into the Taiwan ONLY ADIZ that is not shared with China's. Which, when you think about it, makes sense.
You should probably bring up an example that isn't a part of hotly contested territories with ADIZ's and such. Your example here is not working in your benefit.
To be clear, your map was not convincing at all. I don't believe Taiwan controls air space of a part of China.
Like I said, you would be better served using flight examples that don't have to navigate through hotly contested air defense no fly zones. Something that this example makes painfully obvious.Try wise on a flight from New Delhi to Beijing. Why didn't it take a shorter route ????
As has already been pointed out to you, there are myriad reasons why a flight route may not appear as direct as it could be. You just happened to pick a terrible example for your cause that actually, simply, shows how disputed political boundaries affect air travel, not the shape of the earth.
Like I said, you would be better served using flight examples that don't have to navigate through hotly contested air defense no fly zones. Something that this example makes painfully obvious.Try wise on a flight from New Delhi to Beijing. Why didn't it take a shorter route ????
As has already been pointed out to you, there are myriad reasons why a flight route may not appear as direct as it could be. You just happened to pick a terrible example for your cause that actually, simply, shows how disputed political boundaries affect air travel, not the shape of the earth.
(https://i.postimg.cc/dVTVTZMR/Flight-Aware-Air-China-947.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zPsTQyr)
An interesting bit I found. Flights originating in Taiwan to China follow that circuitous flight path that keeps them in uncontested Taiwanese air defense space for as long as possible. However, if you look at flights originating in China to Taiwan, those flight paths are put en route via Chinese air defense space for as long as possible. That South China Sea basin is one heavily contested area for sure:
(https://i.imgur.com/WjdQuyU.png)
BS supports BS. Prove what does prevent the red line instead?How about the air corridors in China?
An interesting bit I found. Flights originating in Taiwan to China follow that circuitous flight path that keeps them in uncontested Taiwanese air defense space for as long as possible. However, if you look at flights originating in China to Taiwan, those flight paths are put en route via Chinese air defense space for as long as possible. That South China Sea basin is one heavily contested area for sure:If you're flying a commercial plane you do what the military tells you - or else, this:
(https://i.imgur.com/WjdQuyU.png)
Korean Airlines flight shot down by Soviet Union, September 01, 1983 (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/korean-airlines-flight-shot-down-by-soviet-union)The New Delhi to Beijing flight takes the long way around to avoid terrain, the Himalayas and Tibet.
Soviet jet fighters intercept a Korean Airlines passenger flight in Russian airspace and shoot the plane down, killing 269 passengers and crewmembers. The incident dramatically increased tensions between the Soviet Union and the United States.
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones.But you can talk about air corridors.
I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone.No, they do.
Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangleAlmost like there are a grid of corridors they are restricted to fly in.
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry. ^-^Again, as you have now been told about a million times. There are a lot of reasons why flights dont go directly from one spot to the next.
What a perfect map. ^-^
(https://i.hizliresim.com/agqD95.png)
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry. ^-^
Link: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/CES2112/history/20200210/0720Z/ZBAA/ZLXY
(https://i.hizliresim.com/DGXRL6.png)
This one is going from China to China. You can not talk about international flight zones. I guess China does not prevent China to use its air zone. Pilots fliying this route are constantly drawing two edges of rectangle, instead of a direct line equal to hypotenuse. Maybe you globalists should teach Chinese pilots the geometry. ^-^Again, as you have now been told about a million times. There are a lot of reasons why flights dont go directly from one spot to the next.
We just showed you a couple, and there are probably millions more.
If your goal is to become an expert at flight path planning and international air law, I can suggest starting off by chatting to an actual pilot.
Then go learn to fly a plane.
Then fly about a 1000 hours after which you can do your Com Air licence
Then start studying international air law (remember each country has its own laws)
Then you will finally have the grasp of the basics of the topic.
All you are doing is proving that using flight paths is an unreliable way to measure distance on a map.
You are actually proving that your map is not ever going to work.
You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.
You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.
Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming. I don't interest what you sure. Your being sure isn't an evidence and does not explain why these pilots constantly using wrong paths.
Wise, all you have done is helped us prove that flight times is a bad way to measure distance.
You have given us direct evidence that flights can not and do not simply draw a direct line from point A to point B. Especially over land.
This would be even true if the world was flat.
Even if the world was Flat, this method would not work because you would STILL have all the issues we have mentioned.
Even in a flat world planes would have to plan their routes according to many many factors.
You have not given any evidence that air craft
A- Fly perfect direct routes (even if the world was flat)
B- Always maintain a perfect ground speed
Unless you can at least satisfy those claims you cant measure distance with their flight times.
Its simple geometry.
You'd have to ask the pilot/airline why that corridor is commonly used, but I'm sure they have reasons. And I'm sure it's not because they are battling the shape of the earth.
Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming. I don't interest what you sure. Your being sure isn't an evidence and does not explain why these pilots constantly using wrong paths.
I already did with your first example between Taipei and Shanghai, decidedly so. All those even minded looking at the evidence would result in, "Yeah, political boundaries, no fly zones, China vs Taiwan, all makes sense..." So hardly a 'baseless claim'. The evidence is there. You provided none for whatever assertion you were trying to make.
As for the flight from Bejing to Xi'an, I don't know. I just simply proposed some of the more common reasons commercial airplanes don't always fly in a straight line. There are many.
Underlying all of this is that your research is flawed, I hate to say it. I mean is discounts all of the reasons a plane may divert, circle, avert danger, avert political boundaries, avert traffic, the whole gamut. It's just not scientific at all. I mean 1000's of people fly all of these routes everyday, 365, and here you are saying that they're all 'doing it wrong', just doesn't really stand up to scrutiny, sorry.
The "I can't fit a flight on my map means that the flight doesn't exist" thing just doesn't work anymore. You have to do way better. And research more. I did an hour or so of research on the Taipei and Shanghai flight you originally referenced and found out all the ways it works due to politics and territories (as did others). You should do deeper dives as well.
So just for clarity, in your mind, all aircraft
A - fly directly to their destination the second their wheels lift off the tarmac. Ignoring all international borders, military no fly zones, areas of conflict, missile testing areas, storms and mountains.
B - all aircraft have a consistent ground speed of 1000km/h regardless of the fact that they need to gain altitude before they can get to max cruise speed. Some may be smaller prop planes. Does not matter, they all have the exact speed.
is this what your saying?
So just for clarity, in your mind, all aircraft
A - fly directly to their destination the second their wheels lift off the tarmac. Ignoring all international borders, military no fly zones, areas of conflict, missile testing areas, storms and mountains.
B - all aircraft have a consistent ground speed of 1000km/h regardless of the fact that they need to gain altitude before they can get to max cruise speed. Some may be smaller prop planes. Does not matter, they all have the exact speed.
is this what your saying?
Not quite. There are some situations where planes have to spend time on take-off and landing, and they vary for different airports. This effect is generally higher at short distances and proportionally less at long distances. basically there is no difference whether the place where an airplane passes over 10km height (above 30.000ft) is mountainous or sea level. proceeds directly on a route at a constant speed. Similar results appear in the thousands of cases I have studied. planes are not affected by high wind. Because the atmoplane is going to less when you go above hence the wind affects go to zero when you go above. however, since the departure and return routes are shown differently on the map, they note this as the opposite wind because they actually pass the same distance faster. whereas the effect of wind does not slow down the speed of an aircraft 10k meters high. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a vehicle. Although the plane slows down with the wind coming from the opposite direction, for example, its speed from 906 km / h decreases to 905 km / h. this is the effect. however, where maps are wrong, such as China, Russia, and Australia, one plane appears to be moving twice as fast as the other. To explain this, the first is said to move with the jetstream, the other is said to move against the wind. whereas all these distances are consistent and speeds are constant on a flat world map, as in real life.
In the first example above, you explained the faults of the routes with the forbidden air zone. For the second, you provided fictitious reasons. institutions that would lie with higher quality for direct reasons should have emerged.
Wise, all you have done is helped us prove that flight times is a bad way to measure distance.
You have given us direct evidence that flights can not and do not simply draw a direct line from point A to point B. Especially over land.
This would be even true if the world was flat.
Even if the world was Flat, this method would not work because you would STILL have all the issues we have mentioned.
Even in a flat world planes would have to plan their routes according to many many factors.
You have not given any evidence that air craft
A- Fly perfect direct routes (even if the world was flat)
B- Always maintain a perfect ground speed
Unless you can at least satisfy those claims you cant measure distance with their flight times.
Its simple geometry.
It is a direct line on the flat earth map. Because the distance shown on the map is wrong. The path perfectly overlaps with a flat earth map, my flat earth map.
HEHEHEAre you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?
HEHEHEAre you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?
Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.
HEHEHEAre you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?
Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.
I admit that not all flights are perfectly fit on the globe map, due to weather conditions, no fly zones, political issues and everything that is written. However this doesn't mean that the flight distances are not correct! If you look to the flight from Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth these are real and fits the globe map. However on a FE map and even on your 'map' it doesn't make sense.
However you did not answer my question for the time difference when flying from Europe to the USA and back. And why you are thinking that an airplane is not effected by a high altitude wind!
Yes, Mr Wise, "all flight routes perfectly fits with the globe map" when the necessary deviations due to:HEHEHEAre you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map?
Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean?Things "like borders, winds, etc" are not excuses but are simply facts that airlines have to accept.
I have answered this question above before you have return here. As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h. But the globalists accept them as jet streams and impacts two hours in a route. This is literally impossibly. Imagine you're running against the wind. How much does the wind affect you? really little. and an airplane is much heavier than you and the relative impact of the wind will be much less.
Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago. We have numerously discussed this, this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.
I have answered this question above before you have return here. As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h. But the globalists accept them as jet streams and impacts two hours in a route. This is literally impossibly. Imagine you're running against the wind. How much does the wind affect you? really little. and an airplane is much heavier than you and the relative impact of the wind will be much less.
Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago. We have numerously discussed this, this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.
The density that you mentioned has nothing to do with the high altitude wind. The fact is that there is flight time difference between Europe and the USA and vice versa. Which is real since I flew several times between these 2 continents. I think that you never make this flight? If you did then you can check it by yourself using your own watch.
Also the flight between Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth are real, just because this 'don't fit' to 'your map' doesn't make these are non existing flights.
Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago.Incorrect!
We have numerously discussed this,No, we have not discussed! You have falsely claimed these things!
this is a very important issue but yet not a real evidence provided other than Qantas's baseless claims. Johannesburg to Perth flights flight time is wrong and those flights are not reliable. Those flight times are completely made up.Rubbish! Your claims mean nothing!
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I am not talking about proboblities or possiblities. I am giving you a direct evidence, hence you have to debunk it directly instead of bla bla.No, you are not giving direct evidence.
Prove the sure evidences you are talking about instead of baseless claiming.Follow your own advice.
Because the atmoplane is going to less when you go above hence the wind affects go to zero when you go above.Plane need air to fly. They fly at speeds relative to the air. Wind effects them dramatically.
however, where maps are wrong, such as China, Russia, and Australia, one plane appears to be moving twice as fast as the other. To explain this, the first is said to move with the jetstream, the other is said to move against the wind. whereas all these distances are consistent and speeds are constant on a flat world map, as in real life.No, they aren't.
Are you still telling all flight routes perfectly fits with your so-called globe map, shamelesly while you know they actually arent?Can you provide a single flight where they don't fit?
Answer it; if they perfectly overlap so why do you use some excuses like borders, winds, etc so and so. You can, we can, anybody can create endless excuses to support a weak argument. What does it mean? Give up the evilness. Admit it does not overlap, because it has been proven above whether or not you agree.And how about you do the same for the London<->NY route I provided? Admit they don't overlap and your claims are garbage.
Sydney to Santiago and from Johannesburg to Perth flights are different. There isn't any verified evidence about the route Sydney to Santiago.Stop lying.
I have not denied time difference west-east and e-w flights.But your argument relies upon it.
As the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.
Quote from: wiseAs the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.
Looks like a deny to me. So please explain why there is a difference in flight time between east-west and west-east if it is not the wind that causes this.
I hope no more questions will be required to ask.Wise, your map is so wildly out of place, and your method of creating it is so suspect that I am completely shocked to think that there wont be any more questions.
Quote from: wiseAs the altitude increases, the frequency of the atmosplane decreases. No matter how severe the winds at 30,000ft altitude, the effect will be less as its density decreases. this is the effect of opening the windows as you travel in a car. All those wind affect can not speed up or down a plane more than 1km/h in 1000km/h.
Looks like a deny to me. So please explain why there is a difference in flight time between east-west and west-east if it is not the wind that causes this.
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible. Secondly, the reason is mistakes of maps.
Maps have been created from west to east, inother say left to right. Map is completely wrong, but it is more true considering west-east than east-west. Since the map was prepared from left to right, the existing errors were tried to be corrected from left to right. however, it is impossible to correct in either direction. therefore, the map is wrong from left to right in terms of flight routes, but slightly wrong. the right-to-left map is much more wrong. this is not the case in europe. In Europe, the flight time is equal in east-west and west-east directions. As long as distance increases, the mistakes on the map increases hence occurs time differences.
but where the map is wrong, there is even a difference between, for example, west and east of australia or west and east of the usa.it is impossible to correct all errors but can be reduced. and this preference was chosen from west to east, that is, from the left to right, which is our direction of writing. Since the maps are written in this direction.
I hope no more questions will be required to ask.
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.If you wish to assert it is impossible, then prove it.
Secondly, the reason is mistakes of maps.Again, your argument relies upon it not being the case and instead that planes fly directly to their destination, following a straight line.
Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay.Sorry, but that is totally incorrect!
Roaring jet stream powers British Airways flight from New York to London in under 5 hours, an unofficial record (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/02/09/british-air-record-flight-speed-atlantic/)Look what a strong tail-wind can do!
The Boeing 747 hit a maximum estimated ground speed of 825 mph (almost 1328 km/hr)
Four hours and 56 minutes. That’s all the time it took for British Airways Flight 112 to fly from New York’s JFK International Airport to London Heathrow early Sunday. According to the flight-tracking service Flightradar24, the sub-five-hour flight broke the previous transatlantic record of 5 hours 13 minutes between New York and London.
A rip-roaring jet stream at more than 260 mph (418 km/hr) turbocharged the trans-Atlantic British Airways flight, which departed New York at 6:20 p.m. and landed in London at 4:43 a.m. Sunday, nearly two hours ahead of schedule.
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And the flight in the opposite direction takes more than 8 hours.Quote(https://i.postimg.cc/t4vYM6TY/Flight-Radar24-BA112-Feb-8-2020.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)[/size]Look what a strong tail-wind can do!
If wind does not effect aircraft, explain this video.Amazing! The plane doesn't roll a centimetre!
Shortest Landing!!! Severe Headwind! Aircraft hovers and vertically touches down!
There are hundreds of videos of wind effecting aircraft wildly because aircraft fly relative to the air.
And if the air is moving, so does the plane.
Amazing! The plane doesn't roll a centimetre!Is there a place where all the editing tips are in one spot.
PS Just paste the video url "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vP13XPMNfc" with nothing around it
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
You are saying that the wind has no influence, yet you don't answer the question of what causes the time difference between flights from Europe to the USA and from the USA to Europe. It is a fact that there is a time difference, and don't come that we are being fooled and there is no time difference between this, because there is.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Again, follow your own advice.
Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Name ONE idiot flat Earther pilot who does not agree that wind affects the aircraft!Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.Not all of them.
A fluke storm system sped up international flights to record-setting speeds.The flights were faster than the speed of sound, but didn't break the sound barrier because of surrounding wind speed.The top speed for a 747 is about 570 miles per hour (mph), and this flight topped out at 825 mph.
A British Airways plane has broken the record for fastest subsonic flight—by going faster than the speed of sound. The flight from New York to London arrived almost two hours early after a flight lasting 4 hours and 56 minutes. British Airways also just narrowly beat two Virgin Airways flights that took one minute and three minutes longer, respectively.
then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Well any flat Earther pilot that is not certain that wind affects the aircraft would be a dangerous pilot.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
If wind does not effect aircraft, explain this video.Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!
Shortest Landing!!! Severe Headwind! Aircraft hovers and vertically touches down!
There are hundreds of videos of wind effecting aircraft wildly because aircraft fly relative to the air.
And if the air is moving, so does the plane.
Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!Or has never seen a wind tunnel.
Or has never seen a plane. . .Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!Or has never seen a wind tunnel.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Yes.Or has never seen a plane. . .Anyone who denies that the wind affects aircraft has to be totally devoid of any sense!Or has never seen a wind tunnel.
Wise, have you even been on a plane?
Ever?
Even been to an airport?
Where you home schooled?
So many questions
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
So you have been home schooled.Or has never seen a plane. . .Yes.
Wise, have you even been on a plane?
Ever?
Even been to an airport?
Where you home schooled?
So many questions
No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, you haven't shared anything useful.
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.
That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.
Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.
I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.
And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!
there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.
That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.
Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.
they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Wise. Do you know that the 'air-routes' in the sky are in a sentence highways? With the exception that they are able to take a 'de-tour' to avoid heavy storms.
With this being said, you can also claim that the all highways and train tracks are completely straight and will never make a turn. Which doesn't make any sense because they do and so does the routes that the airplanes fly.
I am almost sure that you have never being interested in aviation in general, because if you where you would know that airplanes almost never fly in a straight line.
And you never answered the question of why there is a flight time difference between the US -> Europa and Europe-> US. Please explain this simple fact!
I told you but you simply deny the facts. The map is wrong and it has been tried to corrected from left to right, hence left the right pathes are closer and right to left pathes are further. That's all.
sure, keep telling yourself that. ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.sure, keep telling yourself that. ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it.Have you even bothered reading that quote thread?
People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
And just a few replies earlier YOU said not all of them would agree that wind affects an aircraft. YOU are trying to change the subject.I am telling they use best routes but your answer includes them denying the wind affect that I didn't tell whether they deny of acept it. It is not the same thing. People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.sure, keep telling yourself that. ::) AGAIN, if they don't believe that wind affects an aircraft in flight then they wouldn't be able to land most of the time. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't name any of them.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
I think it is very generous to call it a map. I mean the most straightforward definition is:People using my map has not to accept everything I defend.I highly doubt anyone is using your map, wise.
a diagrammatic representation of an area of land or sea showing physical features, cities, roads, etc.Yet there is no land, sea or physical features on his diagram.
If you think flying from A to B starts with plotting the most direct path between two places, think again. (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/2183479/what-determines-flight-paths-fares-airspace-and-jet-streams)Great read, pitty Wise wont read it
(Or follow the link.)
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. Do you have details of such a record?there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.
That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.
Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.
they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. Do you have details of such a record?there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.
That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.
Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.
they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.Why would they bother?
Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver. Do you have details of such a record?there are flat earther pilots I know and they are constantly under pressure. therefore, I refuse to share personal information or any of related content. I have already shared it enough.No, they are best pilots. They are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel.then they wouldn't be a good pilot. It is a basic fact that wind affects an aircraft in flight and is necessary to understand to be able to land. I'd challenge you to prove your "Not all of them" by naming some but I'm betting you'll ignore this.Not all of them.Even a flat Earther pilot would agree that wind affects the aircraft.No, they do not. Accepting or denying something does not cancel their driving licence. They are some flat earther pilots and they are in the category of every. How can it be? Stop to baseless claims, or your claims based on wrong pre acceptations.Firstly, wind can not affect an aircraft to cause two hours delay. Forget it, it is imposible.Every actual pilot in the world would disagree. Direct contradicting example: There were a few flights just last week flying from New York to London that hit 200 mph tailwinds and arrived 2 hours earlier than scheduled. Flights in the opposite direction were late along the same route. Wind DOES affect airplanes in flight whether you agree or not.
Who might theses pilots be? And how are they following flat earth routes when there is no such thing as a flat earth map?
There is one numerical map, here. https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74162.0
Just because the map is not similar to other maps does not mean that it is not a map. I suggest better routes to pilots when they ask and they earn very well from this job. So far, no pilot has been the victim of these recommendations but benefited.
The effort put into your map notwithstanding, it's not something anyone could use to effectively plot a course, especially via the air. It's not just pilots who need to plot and calculate routes, other entities do as well, e.g., air traffic control. And ATC must do so across radar regions defined all over the world. Coordinated, controlled via maps. Maps that are not yours.
So there aren't any commercial pilots out there saying to ATC:
Pilot: This is BA117 from LHR en route to Munich contacting Frankfurt Tower
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, have you on scope
Pilot: Ok Frankfurt, we're following a map based upon a flat earth devised by a Turkish gentleman so our route will be a straight line from Heathrow to Munich regardless of wind, weather, parity in distance, or any other air traffic you need to coordinate. Copy?
Frankfurt ATC: BA117, copy that. We will divert all other globe earth traffic so as not to interfere with yours.
Saying that commercial pilots have used your map is a seeming virtual impossibility. Do you have any evidence of it?
Of course, under pressure to use standardized maps/routes, etc., all based upon a globe earth. Because they have to. Commercial pilots and ATC around the world can't just be using whatever map suits their whimsy.
That being the point, you claimed, "They (flat earth pilots) are using flat earth routes and spending less fuel." which is the definition of a baseless claim.
I ask for evidence of your claim - There is none = Baseless claim.
Again, I applaud the effort you put into your map. But, unfortunately, the underlying methodology is deeply flawed and it has no real world application.
I cannot prove such a thing without informing about them. but there is proof that logic.
they go out of the radar area after a while, especially in ocean-going journeys. the next route is completely predictive. At this point, pilots can use the route they know if they want. this route may be suitable for the flat earth map. this information is evidence, but flight data is required for more details. there can not be an evidence of such a thing.
Passengers will be able to track and record their route using a smartphone or GNSS receiver.
Did you ever think why anybody do not have such a record between Australia and South America flights?
Were they killed?
and death reports, no missing person reports, where are they?Were they killed?
Sadly, according to wise, all souls on this daily flight are lost, presumably pushed out of the cabin at altitude into the pacific as soon as the plane is sufficiently offshore.
One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.
It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.
I'm all for certain gov't regulations, but this has nothing to do with the fact that non-US controlled airlines, e.g., Qantas, LATAM, are shoving passengers out of their planes at altitude over the southern oceans so as to dupe the rest of the world that they have flights from S.America to Australia/Africa in an effort to preserve the fact that erroneously the world is much like a globe.Well, so leading flat-Earth advocates like Wise and Shifter would have us believe.
It has a little bit to do with it. How can we trust such a selfish organization for their word at all? Anyone who has traveled knows not to trust airlines.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the average “profit per passenger” of the seven largest U.S. airlines was $17.75 — for just a one-way flight — and the average profit margin across those seven airlines was 9% in 2017. This per-passenger profit is roughly double what airlines around the world make per passenger, according to the International Air Transport Association.
One should boycott all airlines; not like it would matter. The governments of the world would just buy out their debt again. They are awful, and have become only more awful after the removal of federal regulations.How would you boycott airlines?
Whats happened in pegasus, flight recorders are encrypted
1- Lightning struck just before Pegasus landed on the crashed plane due to adverse weather conditions. Airplanes equipped with lightning are not affected. However, both pilots focused their concentrations as to whether the lightning had an effect on the aircraft's instruments as required by the procedure.
2- Meanwhile, while the aircraft was using a captain, the second pilot focused on the task of communication and tracking the tools. The tower said the two previous planes passed the runway. However, he made this warning in Turkish instead of English according to aviation terminology. The captain replied, "I got it," but the Dutch pilot responsible for the communication did not understand the announcement and the coordination was broken in the cockpit because he had seconds to land.
3- Meanwhile, another plane took off with the same rear wind just before the crashed plane. This made pilots feel that everything was in its normal flow.
4- At that time, the back wind was blowing at a speed of 26.4 km per hour. As the Pegasus Airlines rear wind pass limit is 28 km per hour, pilots decided to land with the aircraft in tolerance.
5- The length of the track is 3 thousand meters. Contrary to popular belief, the plane landed not in the middle or end of the runway, but in the 705th meter of the runway, which is a normal distance.
6- The pilots started braking normally when the plane landed. Although the speed of the plane fell to 98 km / h, the sudden wind from the back suddenly increased to 51 km / h. This push increased speed. Since the pilots were sure that they would stop, they decided to return from the exit at the end of the track, not in the middle of the track, to give up hard braking and talk among themselves to avoid slipping on the wet ground. Meanwhile, since everything was normal in the cabin and the plane slowed down, the hostesses made the announcement, "You can use your phones".
7- When the pilots came towards the turn at the end of the track, which was not used frequently, they braked again to slow down. However, probably the plane started to slide when it landed on the tracks of hundreds of previous landings and take-offs on the runway, and the speed never decreased.
8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.
9- Even though the pilots switched to hard brakes, the plane slid the last 700 meters of the runway for 17 seconds and did not slow down. If this time and distance were normal ground, it would be enough to stop even a faster plane.
10- In such cases called “stop way” at the end of the runway, the plane rolled down due to the steep slope instead of the soft soil ground field that would stop the plane without damage.
11- The retaining wall built to prevent the vertical floor from slipping caused the plane to fall apart and the damage increased. However, officials are also united in the view that this situation causes the engines of the plane to break off and leave the fuselage so that there was no fire occured in the plane.
My conclusion: In this accident, it is seen that many negative factors that cannot cause an accident alone occur magically.
So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.That not I care your question.
We do already realise that you do not care about the truth. All you care about is supporting you own deluded ideas.So I can conclude that Pegasus is removed from your 'blacklist'? Not that I care about your 'blacklist' since this list is nonsense.That not I care your question.
8- The problem started exactly at this moment, and the pilots understood that there was an abnormality.No, the problem seems to have started long before then.
Wise's english is really improving...
We have Intikam, Brotherhood of the Dome and Wise - are there more in the "Hive"?
Depends which one of the collective is writing.