Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed

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Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« on: January 04, 2011, 02:14:39 PM »
The evolutionist Jerry Coyne has written a book called "Why evolution is true". He explains in the book evolution is not observable.

If you are expecting a book with the title, "Why Evolution is True" to contain proof for the theory of evolution, you will be disappointed. The book is just a list of excuses why evolutionists can’t prove evolution is true.

Evolution can not be proven becuase nobody has ever seen it happening! Science is meant to be based on direct observation but evolutionists like Jerry Coyne believes in things they can not see!

Why We’ve Never Seen evolution

Nobody has ever observed macroevolution in the laboratory or in nature. Here is his excuse for why we have not.

(Atleast the evolutionist Jerry Coyne admits macroevolution can not be observed)

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Further, we shouldn’t expect to see more than small changes in one or a few features of a species—what is known as macroevolutionary change. Given the gradual pace of evolution, it’s unreasonable to expect to see selection transforming one “type” of plant or animal into another—so-called macroevolution—within a human lifetime. Though macroevolution is occurring today, we simply won’t be around long enough to see it. Remember that the issue is not whether macroevolutionary change happens—we already know from the fossil record that it does—but whether it was caused by natural selection, and whether natural selection can build complex features and organisms.

There is a process known as “microevolution” that really does occur. Microevolution is the variation within a species that occurs because of loss of genetic information. But he is talking about “macroevolution,” which is the creation of a new kind of living thing resulting from genetic information that previously did not exist, "macroevolution" can not be observed it falls outside of the scientific method.

He asserts, without proof, that macroevolution is occurring today, while admitting that one can’t see it happening. That is, genetic information is supposedly arising spontaneously that will create a new kind of creature. He just knows it, even though nobody can actually see it!. The alleged reason nobody can see it is because it happens so slowly and no human being has ever seen it happen.

He goes on to say:

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Even if feathers were evolving today, it would simply be impossible to watch this happening in real time, much less to measure whatever type of selection was acting to make feathers larger

The real reason why nobody has ever seen it is because it hasn’t happened! Genetic information doesn’t just magically appear.

Evolutionists believe in things they can not directly see, evolutionists are no different than religious fundamentalists.

Macroevolution can not be observed. Not observable = not science, evolution fails.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 02:16:50 PM »
dude cass' fuck off

after the 10th alt it stops being funny
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 02:24:20 PM »
dude cass' fuck off

after the 10th alt it stops being funny
i don't think this is cass. cass at least stays on the topics he created for a couple pages. this person says something that has everyone here call him an idiot. he is the definition of a troll. cass... I think actually believes what he is saying.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 02:32:38 PM »
dude cass' fuck off

after the 10th alt it stops being funny
i don't think this is cass. cass at least stays on the topics he created for a couple pages. this person says something that has everyone here call him an idiot. he is the definition of a troll. cass... I think actually believes what he is saying.

Someone pretending to be a Cass Alt trolling to make the real Cass Alt's look even worse than they are?
Wow.
Conspiracy.

Anyhow this OP was done to death already.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 02:38:12 PM »
dude cass' fuck off

after the 10th alt it stops being funny
i don't think this is cass. cass at least stays on the topics he created for a couple pages. this person says something that has everyone here call him an idiot. he is the definition of a troll. cass... I think actually believes what he is saying.

Well this OP is like a total copy paste of the threads and posts Cass made in one of his other threads.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 02:47:53 PM »
Genetic information is supposedly arising spontaneously that will create a new kind of creature.

That seems to be exactly the kinds of things he's researching.
Quote from: Wikipedia:Jerry Coyne
Coyne's peer-reviewed scientific publications include three papers in Nature and two in Science[6]:

    * Llopart, A., S. Elwyn and J.A. Coyne. 2002. Pigmentation and mate choice in Drosophila melanogaster. Nature 419: 360. doi:10.1038/419360a
    * Greenberg, A.J., J.R. Moran, J.A. Coyne and C-I. Wu. 2003. Ecological adaptation during incipient speciation revealed by precise gene replacement. Science 302: 1754-1757. doi:10.1126/science.1090432
    * Coyne, J. A., A. P. Crittenden, and K. Mah. 1994. Genetics of a pheromonal difference contributing to reproductive isolation in Drosophila. Science 265:1461-1464. doi:10.1126/science.8073292
    * Price, C.S.C., K. A. Dyer, and J. A. Coyne. 1999. Sperm competition between Drosophila males involves both displacement and incapacitation. Nature 400:449-452 doi:10.1038/22755
    * Coyne, J. A. 1992. Genetics and speciation. Nature 355:511-515. doi:10.1038/355511a0
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 07:31:38 PM »
1. I'm not mattiashues or the thread maker (though i agree with some of his points).

2. If you want a real troll it would be beorn.*

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They have a very unhealthy attraction to me. Futhermore Beorn was also banned from evofairytale for trolling. All they do did there was stalk creationists or even agnostics who questioned evolution and abused them. Sad waste of existence...

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2011, 02:14:17 AM »
Being banned from a Creationist forum for "trolling" isn't a huge achievement. Beorn isn't a troll. Sure, he is a slightly rabid anti-Creationist, but that is only healthy.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2011, 03:23:09 AM »
1. I'm not mattiashues or the thread maker (though i agree with some of his points).

2. If you want a real troll it would be beorn.*

*Beorn stalks me across the net, joins every forum i join, and also stalks my Amazon account.

They have a very unhealthy attraction to me. Futhermore Beorn was also banned from evofairytale for trolling. All they do did there was stalk creationists or even agnostics who questioned evolution and abused them. Sad waste of existence...



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And please, lurk moar, myself and others have given Cass examples of evolution being observed nowadays.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2011, 04:26:18 AM »
Lazy copypasta is lazy.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2011, 05:04:42 AM »
If he had made his own argument, I would have addressed it.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 05:58:52 AM »
Did you hear the brief rumour that David Tennant was going to be the Riddler?

It's been disproven now but someone even made fan pictures

http://jayfingers.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/batman_3_poster___riddler_by_joshwmc.jpg

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 06:08:19 AM »
Hmm. I hadn't heard that. The most I saw were fake posters with John Depp playing the Riddler.

It was essentially this, but with a face.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 06:11:26 AM »
Did you hear the brief rumour that David Tennant was going to be the Riddler?

It's been disproven now but someone even made fan pictures

http://jayfingers.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/batman_3_poster___riddler_by_joshwmc.jpg

Haven't heard that either. Wish it were true though. I think he could play an amazing riddler.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 09:29:49 AM »
1. I'm not mattiashues or the thread maker (though i agree with some of his points).

2. If you want a real troll it would be beorn.*

*Beorn stalks me across the net, joins every forum i join, and also stalks my Amazon account.

They have a very unhealthy attraction to me. Futhermore Beorn was also banned from evofairytale for trolling. All they do did there was stalk creationists or even agnostics who questioned evolution and abused them. Sad waste of existence...



1. you are

2. euh what?

???
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 10:45:11 AM »
1. I'm not mattiashues or the thread maker (though i agree with some of his points).

2. If you want a real troll it would be beorn.*

*Beorn stalks me across the net, joins every forum i join, and also stalks my Amazon account.

They have a very unhealthy attraction to me. Futhermore Beorn was also banned from evofairytale for trolling. All they do did there was stalk creationists or even agnostics who questioned evolution and abused them. Sad waste of existence...



1. you are

2. euh what?

???

You are a stalker who followed me from the following forum:

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/

Another troll called 'Dave' followed me from:

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/

There are others as well. Basically at those two forums i defeated the evolutionists, so in anger and frustration all they could do is stalk me across the net. So sad they even had to even get to my Amazon account and 1 star rate my reviews there.

So don't deny being a troll. You followed me here, and your only purpose here is to insult/stalk me.

You really need a life. ::)
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 10:49:56 AM »
You know, one of the side effects of drug use is paranoia. Do you have something to confess?
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 11:08:37 AM »
1. I'm not mattiashues or the thread maker (though i agree with some of his points).

2. If you want a real troll it would be beorn.*

*Beorn stalks me across the net, joins every forum i join, and also stalks my Amazon account.

They have a very unhealthy attraction to me. Futhermore Beorn was also banned from evofairytale for trolling. All they do did there was stalk creationists or even agnostics who questioned evolution and abused them. Sad waste of existence...



1. you are

2. euh what?

???

You are a stalker who followed me from the following forum:

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/

Another troll called 'Dave' followed me from:

http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/

There are others as well. Basically at those two forums i defeated the evolutionists, so in anger and frustration all they could do is stalk me across the net. So sad they even had to even get to my Amazon account and 1 star rate my reviews there.

So don't deny being a troll. You followed me here, and your only purpose here is to insult/stalk me.

You really need a life. ::)

Wait now im confused, did I follow you from evolutionfairytale to here or did I follow you from here to evolutionfairytale?

am i dave?
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 11:40:10 AM »
Trolls/Stalkers who followed me to this forum:

Beorn, Dave, Bulu Bulu Zimbulu, HR Puff N Stuff

All followed me from either democracyforums or evolutionfairytaleforum.

Dave came from evolutionfairytaleforum, he was banned there for trolling/insulting creationists. I believe he blamed me for his ban (despite the fact i was never a mod there and had nothing to do with his banning) and so seems to have stalked me here for revenge.

HR Puff N Stuff came from democracyforums, they are either someone there called 'Considerdudley' (a 50 year old unemployed women who stalked my Amazon account) or someone called ''Ron'' (another 50 year old, but a man, also unemployed but apparently is taking a foundation degree in something).

Bulu Bulu Zimbulu is a nutter (look at their name) who came from either democracyforums or evolutionfairytaleforum. They only made 10 posts here.

Beorn (you) either came from democracyforums or evolutionfairytaleforum. I guess the former, as there is a troll there who stalked me called Beoserker (note the similarity in name). Beoserker is another 50 or 60 year old man who admits on democracyforums he ''is an old fart''.

Do you see the trend? All my stalkers are mostly old boring people, hence they are atheist. They are bored with their lives & just troll the net insulting what other people believe.

One of you five stalked me on Amazon and negative rated all my reviews.

So as i said - get a life. ::)
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 11:42:27 AM »
Did someone say conspiracy? I'll give you a conspiracy! The earth is flat.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 11:54:30 AM »

Do you see the trend? All my stalkers are mostly old boring people, hence they are atheist. They are bored with their lives & just troll the net insulting what other people believe.


but everyone here was 14-18 year old kids? you are very confusing
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 12:25:06 PM »
I don't know when Cass seems the most batshit. When he's debating against science or when the paranoia kicks in.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 12:35:22 PM »
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 01:22:52 PM »

Do you see the trend? All my stalkers are mostly old boring people, hence they are atheist. They are bored with their lives & just troll the net insulting what other people believe.


but everyone here was 14-18 year old kids? you are very confusing

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God evolved all kinds of different creatures after His creation of the earth. About 180 years ago He made human evolve

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The earth is 212 years and 2 months old.

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The earth is only 130 years old

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Tell me how YOU observed that the earth wasn't created 200 years ago?

So according to Beorn:

1. The earth went from 212 years old, to 200, to 189, to 130.
2. The Bible was written two hundred years ago.
3. God started evolution (despite Beorn at the same time maintain no God exists).

But of course Beorn is dead serious, and no troll right? ::)
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 01:39:04 PM »
I believe Beorn is making a point. For example, the 130 year old thing comes from the fact that only 130 years of history have been observed by currently alive people, so that's the only history that is "science" according to the definition being thrown around.

In other words, I don't think you understand sarcasm.

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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2011, 02:39:16 PM »

Do you see the trend? All my stalkers are mostly old boring people, hence they are atheist. They are bored with their lives & just troll the net insulting what other people believe.


but everyone here was 14-18 year old kids? you are very confusing

Quotes from Beorn:

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God evolved all kinds of different creatures after His creation of the earth. About 180 years ago He made human evolve

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The earth is 212 years and 2 months old.

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The earth is only 130 years old

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Tell me how YOU observed that the earth wasn't created 200 years ago?

So according to Beorn:

1. The earth went from 212 years old, to 200, to 189, to 130.
2. The Bible was written two hundred years ago.
3. God started evolution (despite Beorn at the same time maintain no God exists).

But of course Beorn is dead serious, and no troll right? ::)

I didn't say that the bible was written 200 years ago. Humans were only created 180 years ago. I'm not a bible expert, so I don't know if the bible was created in the same time as humans were, but I believe it was. It is possible though that it was created 200 years ago.

And that the earth is 130 years ago was either a joke or I didn't say it. Can't remember saying that really.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2011, 02:39:25 PM »


What was that?
It's called the medium thread.
The medium thread?
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2011, 04:28:57 PM »
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Basically at those two forums i defeated the evolutionists...
I seriously doubt that.
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Re: Evolutionist admits evolution can not be observed
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2011, 06:12:07 PM »
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Basically at those two forums i defeated the evolutionists...