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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« on: Today at 04:03:22 PM »

Ghislane did nothing wrong, you cant be in jail for trafficking when no trafficking occurred.

The segment I listened to explains why Ghislane is in jail and what the actual conviction is.

Care to recite that actual conviction?

Which has what to do with, how do you take a “list” and link it to crime with no witnesses.  A good lawyer would eat that up in court and probably win a slander suit for anyone supposedly listed. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« on: Today at 03:59:35 PM »

I was actually referring to Trump's other crimes, like the fraud that he was convicted of, the massive hoarding of classified material, etc.

One prosecution?  That disintegrated?  Where is that case at and why.


Where the US government over classifies, where Trump as presidential could declassify what he wanted to take.  Where is that case at and why. 


It’s going to be interesting to see what happens on the investigations as they get rolling in the abuse of the FBI concerning misusing the law and procedure on conspiracy to fabric false allegations of meaninglessness Trump Russian Collusion. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« on: Today at 03:13:01 PM »

Well, I say that, but people don't seem to care much about sex crimes anymore. 

Or, in Trump's case, any crime at all.

As pointed out.

Maurene Comey, the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, was over the Maxwell and Epstein cases.

If there is as any evidence linking Trump to an Epstein crime, it would more than likely have been leaked.  Or legal action taken.  Do you doubt otherwise.  I would even say a plea deal would have been struck with the still living and in jail Maxwell to get dirt on Trump. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« on: Today at 03:10:06 PM »

Listened to a good local analysis of the Epstein debacle.

I’ll try to paraphrase. 

Contrary to Hollywood, criminals don’t link all their crimes in a little black book. 

The Trump administration messed up making promises it can’t keep.

The Epstein case is so tainted, there are legal issues that innocent people “listed” by Epstein could be slandered.  People that had actual legitimate business with Epstein. 

Over simplifying, Ghislaine Maxwell is jail with evidence of only pimping to Epstein.


Maurene Comey, the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, was over the Maxwell and Epstein case.

Maurene Comey as prosecutor in the Epstein case had evidence sealed.  This is not unusual, and is unusually to keep the defense from miss using evidence.

The only way to clear this up may to be to unseal the case at the expense of victim’s privacy.

The Epstein matter wasn’t even a top 5 concern for voters during the presidential election.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump

« on: Today at 02:25:59 PM »

Sooo…

In the context of the Diddy trial results.

The judge dismissing the Cuomo sexual harassment case.

And people believing Pizza gate was swept under the rug.

Say Trump and Clinton’s name is on the “client list”?

Playing devil’s advocate.  And the DOJ made this big deal about people being on that list being evidence of human trafficking and sex with children with no eye witnesses to testify.  I think lawyers defending Trump and Clinton would have a field day in court.

So.  How do you tie people on a list to actual crimes? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: Today at 09:10:36 AM »

You don't actually know how wide this "circle" is.  .

What are you babbling about.  Aligning to Polaris for astrophotography results in blurring for long exposures where using the Polaris offset from the northern celestial pole to line correctly to the northern celestial pole gives the most accurate alignment.  Simple truth that proves Polaris isn’t a fixed stationary point on the northern celestial pole. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« on: Today at 05:18:34 AM »

Okay last night,

How about addressing what is actually posted and asked of you instead of trying to change the argument then you Bulma getting confused by your own lies.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« on: Today at 05:16:39 AM »

Qunatity doesnt equal quality.

The point was quality.

And yet you baost quantity.

Its as almost you dont understand words...

You must be a moron.

Look you tough guy.  Give you a little attention when you are normally ignored and you get all big headed. 

At least I can use a telescope and a camera to provide content.

I guess I’ll just go back to ignoring you like everyone else. 

🤪

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« on: Today at 03:00:06 AM »

And he eloquently explains how wjen you spam 5times you allow these morons 5different avenues to escape a direct question.

Like you are spamming now.

So I can ask you five questions.

Why do you post meaningless dribble.

When have in invested time in effort producing your own photos and videos.

Why are you trolling too.

Why do threads still get detailed if I don’t post.

Did your parents have any children that lived? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: Today at 02:56:05 AM »

Bring original math disproving FE

Why?  It’s the same FE lies.  Wise, you can’t even be honest the dip of the horizon is real and measurable. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: Today at 02:52:58 AM »

Or just admit being NASA's parrot

What NASA material are you referring to in this thread.

Care to discus my comet pictures? 

Or my time lapse of the sun staying the same apparent size when it should be greatly changing apparent size hour by hour for daylight and between the seasons if FE wasn’t a delusion and lie. 

I would say the same FE lies are tired and debunked. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:33:49 PM »

We climb to 100,000 feet—flat horizon.

Shrugs.

Where you ignore the very measurable dip of the horizon?

The earth is curved.

Where you also ignore the dip of the horizon.

https://mctoon.net/photos-of-the-curve/

Flat Earth horizon still wouldn't look flat!

Compressing the photo makes it easier to see.

Cherry picking data would be only accepting stuff you like.

Which has been explained to you.

Photo from 1976 taken by Adrian Meredith

Concorde: A Photographic Tribute: A Photographic...
by Adrian Meredith

Notice in the picture of the Concorde where the earth is below the jet.  That is significant in terms of a fish eye lens.  The video explains this.

For the Concorde not to be distorted by a fish eye lens, the jet would have to be perfectly in the middle horizontal.  It’s not.  And the horizon under the jet at bottom of the frame would have the horizon distorted up.




Which is why the fisheye lens in you presented videos are BS.



So.  Yes.  There is curvature of the earth.

 Only there is no such curvature drop.

Then why is the bottom of this tower increasingly physically blocked from view with distance by the curvature of the earth where zooming doesn’t unblocked the blocked portion back into view. 

Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km
66K views · 9 years ago#TurningTorsoFlatEarth

  Notice zooming in didn’t reveal more of the tower physically blocked from view.  The zoom made the image bigger.   By the shape of the structure, zooming in didn’t reveal more of the structure physically blocked by earh’s curvature.


.  FE doesn’t even have a working explanation for phases of the moon and why lunar eclipses interrupt the cycle.  Where it’s just demonstrable proof of the heliocentric model.
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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 03:57:05 PM »

Atmospheric lensing explains angular consistency on FE.

Funny.  When I point out the lensing should change with the atmosphere.  Where there is no way the lensing could work on the scale needed for a person in the USA from hour to hour during daylight hours, and between the seasons.  When I question and it’s obvious there is no way atmosphere lensing could work perfectly and consistently for keeping the sun the same apparent size as witnessed.  You get pissy.  I question your false authority, have a thread on the apparent size of the sun to question the FE model and how it fails. If you value questioning so much, why do you get pissy when your false authority is questioned.  And all you can do is wave atmospheric lens around like a magic wand, where you might as well say magic bean.

😂😂😂😂😂

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 03:46:15 PM »

where astrophotographers use the fact Polaris circles the northern celestial pole to better align to the northern celestial pole to their delusions

Like all photographers, it's possible to make real and fake photographs.

Are you stupid.  Aligning a mount to match the earth’s rotation for astrophotography and long exposures to prevent blurring of objects requires precise alignment to the northern celestial pole using the off set off Polaris.  The alignment process has nothing to do with faking a photograph of Polaris. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 09:05:12 AM »

4. **Federal Agents vs. Dubay**: You whine about "liars" while ignoring *your own side’s* corruption.

I didn’t know amateur astronomers and astrophotographers like me in the millions accurately and reliably using star atlases for the northern and southern hemispheres based off spherical earth were “corrupt”.

I have a nice thread on a comet I photographed.  Nice pictures.
 
Not Great Pis of Comet Tsuchinshan-ATLAS, But They Are Mine.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92842.msg2433217#msg2433217




Comets coming and going under the influence of the sun’s gravity with many pivoting around the sun changing the night sky seem a RE thing. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 08:56:18 AM »

1. **Sun Apparent Size**: You cling to this like a dogma, yet ignore the *atmospheric lensing* and

And like I posted.

You’re babbling and don’t understand my thread.

The Size of the Sun the Past Few Days - No Proof Dimensions Shrinks
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93094.0


Or misrepresenting it on purpose.

Where there is time lapse over a few days.  No detectable change is the apparent size of the sun where it would have to greatly change size for flat earth.  Where if you think it is atmospheric lensing, the size of the sun should greatly change with atmospheric conditions.  There is no evidence that the atmosphere perfectly changes at the right times to correct the apparent size of the sun that should greatly change throughout the day on a FE.  And does it everyday perfectly.

If you have your own video that you captured yourself of the sun, looking forward to you posting it in my thread I stated concerning the apparent size of the sun.


You done using lies and BS only proving the point of the opening post of this thread you are now trolling and derailing.  Where you can’t even be honest about my actual threads.

Why do flat earthers double down on lies and stupid?

2. **Shipping Times**:

Again.  Nothing to do with what I posted

“I’ve been on ships from California, Hawaii, Guam, and Australia.  Your flat earth predictions on distance are wrong.  Where shipping times would be greatly off by days and weeks for FE vs RE.  It really is that simple.

Wise.  Care to stop lying and trolling this thread to derail this thread.”


Ships travel something like 1/10 to 1/12 the speed of aircraft.  Around 20 knots average?

The military ships I was on averaged a little faster depending on what the mission was. Distance for FE would add on days and weeks. 

Anyway.  The times and distances at the equator and south are consistent with the equator being the largest circumference and a circumference that down sizes the father south you go from the equator, other words a spherical earth,  where distances expanded on a FE.  And different straight line routes would be used to bring the ship on station for FE.

FE simple doesn’t match actual distances and relative relationships for land.  Sorry.

Wise.  There are countless other threads where these topics would be appropriate.  So why toll this thread all the sudden.  Hits to close to the lie that FE is. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:34:54 AM »

Your "Australia-South America" examples are the exceptions, not the rule. Science rejects outliers when 99.99% of data agrees.

I’ve been on ships from California, Hawaii, Guam, and Australia.  Your flat earth predictions on distance are wrong.  Where shipping times would be greatly off by days and weeks for FE vs RE.  It really is that simple. 

Wise.  Care to stop lying and trolling this thread to derail this thread. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:32:13 AM »

L

DataOverFlow2022,

Yeah.  You lie all the time with data you control.

You can’t lie about the size of the sun that I can video record at various times of day and seasons.  Where it has to change apparent size in the flat earth model greatly, and doesn’t.

The FE model fails at predicting what is observed.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:29:46 AM »

Mmmm. Pretty sure that before, you told me that photons continue straight ahead and do not scatter or diminish with distance.

I quoted what I have actually posted in context, and you’re just going to still use false assertions and lies. 

Which still has nothing to do with you brainwashed into thinking Polaris is a fixed and static point in the night sky when it’s been repeatedly proven otherwise over decades, where astrophotographers use the fact Polaris circles the northern celestial pole to better align to the northern celestial pole. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 05:39:54 AM »

A very simple

Bulma. You done from derailing from Polaris now..

You can clearly see that while the rotation appears authentic, the central star in this looks superimposed.

Again.  Not relying on Jacks video.  Care to use any other false assertions. 

Actually read the post below.  Or is demonstrably proof and understanding that Polaris isn’t a fixed and static point beyond your comprehension. 

Polaris, even if it wobbles, nonetheless represents a guide point for  those traveling north. It is fundamentally centered for everyone in the northern hemisphere. No, it is not going to suddenly veer away and a new star being the North Star. Cool story though, bro.

Polaris circles around what is the actual northern celestial pole.  There is a difference. 

Remember posts about RE being more accurate.  RE leads to better results. 

This video is how to set up a specific mount that tracks with the night sky for long exposure astrophotography.




Polaris circles around the northern celestial pole, it’s not the northern celestial pole.  It’s not on the celestial pole.

The alignment of this mount for long exposure astrophotography uses the known offset of Polaris for time and date to correctly center the mount on the celestial north pole.

If you use a high enough ISO and shutter speed for a bright star, there is no blurring even if not using a mount to match the earth’s rotation.  For a fixed / static mounted camera, you start to get star trails and blurring for exposures around 30 seconds.     

The app that gives you the Polaris offset position.



The reticle offset for Polaris in the mount sight.



If you align on just Polaris for long exposure astrophotography, the mount for the camera will not be in sync with the earth’s rotation and imaging of night objects will blur.





People that engage in long exposure astrophotography prove again and again that Polaris circles around the northern celestial pole when they only align to Polaris and get undesired star trails and blurring of objects.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 05:37:50 AM »

A very simple lie that you've been caught in: you demand that everyone believe that light shines perpetually outward (in direct violation of how real science says it works),

Quote what I actually posted then.  Making a claim isn’t proof.  Actual
Proof would be an actual quote.

This was what is posted.

You tell me light stretches infinitely,

You are a pathological liar.

Bulma, this has been brought to your attention repeatedly.

A photon travels until it is absorbed, scattered, or reflected.  A photon travels until it interacts with something. 

Huge difference.

Anyway.  Now you are ignoring the Milky Way argument,

Notice these topics are being buried while the topics are about FE changing subjects or dodging questions.

Totally not what you guys are doing, though.

(In a side note, I'm heading out of town tomorrow. So here's a bump for this to still be on page 1 next week)

The foundation of your delusion that light dies as required by your delusion has been exposed as a total lie and totally debunked.

But there is lots of light pollution in my area.



Light dies my ass.  More like bounces around everywhere cause a F’n mess.

Anyway. The Milky Way..

BEGINNERS GUIDE TO IMAGING THE MILKY WAY

https://www.highpointscientific.com/

Where of you want the sun to set because light dies, then why does it still illuminate clouds east of me 16 minutes after sunset.

You're just guessing,

Nope.

Funny that two people in the United States over 2000 miles apart can watch the moon at the same instance, rise and set times that match the radius of a earth of 3,963 miles, with enough parallax to calculate the distance to the moon.  Backed by lunar and solar eclipses.




How big is the parabola again Bulma?


Where your parabola doesn’t explain why on the equinox the sun rises due east and sets due east.


Where if you parabola was real, after a certain point, increasing in altitude should cause the amount of visible earth below you to decrease.  And your only explanation this doesn’t occur is light is magic and has a trick floor.

Poor Bulma the debunked, just has contractions that doesn’t represent reality. 

Asked you a question..

Why can’t I see this set sun.




But still see clouds east of me 16 minutes after sunset.
I’m

Suppose

You stop derailing threads from lines of thought with complete babbling.

The amount of energy needed for a star to be visible to your eyes at even a million miles away would so violate even basic laws of physics.

Then in the past you tried to use BS memes like this one I put a question over to try it as an explanation why the sun sets.




If you think photons have a set “radius”, then why can I use the photons of a weaker source of light with proper exposure to photograph a whole shower vs a few tiles.



Do you even understand..

Yes.  Photons do spread out with distance.  More photons are bouncing off per unit area of the wall of the tube than off the wall at the base of the ceiling making the tube wall better illuminated.  But there is no magical distance the photon travels and then just does.  Photons are still making it to the ceiling with ease.  Just less per unit area making it dimmer because the photons spread out with distance.  But notice in your stupid meme and the photo of the candle.  The light source is still imagined quite bright and obvious.  This is due to the fact the light source is still sending out quite a concentration of photons in line of sight with the camera.  The photons aren’t magically dying. 

Balma.  You understand the candle is emitting photons that are traveling the entire length of the wall, reflecting or bouncing off the entity of the wall, traveling to the camera, passing through  the lens, and creating an image.  The photons are not magically dying with distance.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 05:28:11 AM »

Listen here you pathetic excuse for a debater:

I've personally mapped over 100,000 flights -

No.  You cherry pick data where airplanes would fly on either model.  And ignore or lie about flights between Australia, Africa, and South America. 

Where you can’t get around the sun should greatly change apparent size for a flat earth, where the sun doesn’t change apparent size throughout the day.  The apparent size of sun has to act differently between RE and FE.  Flat earth requires the sun to greatly change distance for viewers in the USA hour to hour during the day, and from season to season as the sun supposedly travels farther south.  The sun should greatly change apparent size, but doesn’t.  FE fails.  The heliocentric model accurately products the apparent size of the sun.   No need to lie about manmade flight paths.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 04:24:11 AM »

You can clearly see that while the rotation appears authentic, the central star in this looks superimposed.

Again.  Not relying on Jacks video.  Care to use any other false assertions. 

Actually read the post below.  Or is demonstrably proof and understanding that Polaris isn’t a fixed and static point beyond your comprehension. 

Polaris, even if it wobbles, nonetheless represents a guide point for  those traveling north. It is fundamentally centered for everyone in the northern hemisphere. No, it is not going to suddenly veer away and a new star being the North Star. Cool story though, bro.

Polaris circles around what is the actual northern celestial pole.  There is a difference. 

Remember posts about RE being more accurate.  RE leads to better results. 

This video is how to set up a specific mount that tracks with the night sky for long exposure astrophotography.




Polaris circles around the northern celestial pole, it’s not the northern celestial pole.  It’s not on the celestial pole.

The alignment of this mount for long exposure astrophotography uses the known offset of Polaris for time and date to correctly center the mount on the celestial north pole.

If you use a high enough ISO and shutter speed for a bright star, there is no blurring even if not using a mount to match the earth’s rotation.  For a fixed / static mounted camera, you start to get star trails and blurring for exposures around 30 seconds.     

The app that gives you the Polaris offset position.



The reticle offset for Polaris in the mount sight.



If you align on just Polaris for long exposure astrophotography, the mount for the camera will not be in sync with the earth’s rotation and imaging of night objects will blur.





People that engage in long exposure astrophotography prove again and again that Polaris circles around the northern celestial pole when they only align to Polaris and get undesired star trails and blurring of objects.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 04:17:28 AM »

Then there’s your "Sun doesn’t change size" nonsense. You took some photos and think that settles it? Ever heard of atmospheric lensing? Light bends over distance, genius.

You’re babbling and don’t understand my thread. 

The Size of the Sun the Past Few Days - No Proof Dimensions Shrinks
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93094.0


Or misrepresenting it on purpose.

Where there is time lapse over a few days.  No detectable change is the apparent size of the sun where it would have to greatly change size for flat earth.  Where if you think it is atmospheric lensing, the size of the sun should greatly change with atmospheric conditions.  There is no evidence that the atmosphere perfectly changes at the right times to correct the apparent size of the sun that should greatly change throughout the day on a FE.  And does it everyday perfectly. 

If you have your own video that you captured yourself of the sun, looking forward to you posting it in my thread I stated concerning the apparent size of the sun.


You done using lies and BS only proving the point of the opening post of this thread you are now trolling and derailing.  Where you can’t even be honest about my actual threads. 

Why do flat earthers double down on lies and stupid? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 08, 2025, 04:03:45 AM »

apses.

Wise here

Wow Wise.  Spamming a thread with off subject BS where there are dozens of threads that cover those topics that you ignore.

Wise.  Why does simple dial star atlases for the northern and southern hemisphere designed to work for a spherical earth which would be useless for a FE work reliable and accurately for predicting the night sky.

RE leads to use things.  Flat earth is useless in my hobbies.  It really is that simple.  I’m not brainwashed.  It’s just RE is useful and accurate. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 08, 2025, 03:58:54 AM »

You say it's a false statement.

Now.  It’s well proven and documented that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.  Where I have a thread I’m working on to confirm that.  Where you just eat up Eric’s crap.

Yet you've been caught in lies before.

No.  That’s your opinion with no evidence to back it up. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 07, 2025, 04:56:53 PM »

Flat Earth isn't an artificial attempt to create counter culture at all. It is a naturally occurring counter culture.

To me, counterculture is usually reacting to something.  Like turning minimalist in the face of consumerism and excess.

I think books can be embraced as counter culture if the author wanted the books to be or not.

Example, a quote from the Hobbit.  (I was listening to the audio book)

“when there was less noise and more green”

I get the appeal.  I get why the book would be culturally embraced.  I guess Star Trek is another example.  Where people understand the fantasy, but are drawn to the “morality” or idealism of the tale. 

I guess when I stated “artificial attempt at counter culture”, I was thinking more about the lie of flat earth.  And a bunch of Karen’s, for a lake of a better term, bitching about things that are often more delusional than real. 

I guess I would think FE is more cult than counterculture.  So, when does counterculture turn into a cult? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 07, 2025, 10:56:37 AM »

Gonna watch the Wonderful Wizard of Oz. It's more interesting.

Then why bother posting? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 07, 2025, 10:53:47 AM »

Not even half an hour, huh?

Cuz it looks like you responded to people calling themselves Flat Earthers at 01:30:48 PM, 01:14:48 PM, 01:03:07 PM, 10:09:41 AM, 10:00:19 AM, 09:51:41 AM, 09:10:59 AM, 09:04:00 AM, and 09:02:52 AM. Eight Nine times. Just for this thread.

Meanwhile, my own posts have a four hour or so gap. This would be my third post, and I'm about to go offline, you paid shill fake.

Gonna watch the Wonderful Wizard of Oz. It's more interesting.

Checking the site isn’t the same as the amount of time it takes to post.  They are two different things.

I also check the weather sites about four or five times a day. 

I enjoy following a conspiracy site where the account stays login in for two weeks at a time.  You think I’m posting none stop for two weeks when I might post there ever few days. 

I don’t mess with FE book.  I puzzle over what people believe and why using news sites, conspiracy, and the this FE site.

In addition to photography and astronomy.

FE is a good mix of using those hobbies. 

So.  Bulma.  Why do you believe in the lie Polaris is a fixed point? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 07, 2025, 10:30:48 AM »

Well.  Two flat earthers tried to “debate” the opening post with false accusations, personal attacks, and tired old FE straw man arguments.  While ignoring the chance for meaningful debate in other threads that have repeatedly been derailed.

I think there is lots of supporting evidence and examples to support the opening post of this thread.  And the evidence grows.