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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 09:46:42 AM »

Tell you what, I am confident enough in the Earth's lack of curvature that I will ask you to go and walk the Earth with a tape measure

I’ve sailed around the world jackass.  It’s a globe.

Special in that I’ve sailed west and never ended up at an ice wall.  Always stayed in the tropics.

You literally don't understand my explanations, hence pictures where you talk about how the sun is still in line of sight.

I repeatedly explain what this parabola does,

We get it, apply it, and find it doesn’t predict what is actually witnessed in real life, is useless, and that you have to contradict yourself..

Like the simple fact I witnessed lobster boats going out to sea down a river and had to fight the tide coming in to get out of the river to the sea.

Or…

Third, you've never learned was east and west are on a FE map

Because it doesn’t work on flat earth for what is actually east and west and how those directions are relative to actual land masses. 



The pink arrow on the map off the US East coast should point east to where the sun rises on the equinox.  The relative direction of the pink arrow should point to the coast of Portugal/Spain.  Going the general direction of the pink arrow doesn’t take you to south.  If the earth was flat, traveling any direction would eventually take you to the supposed ice wall. Traveling due east or due west for much of the world does not lead to the Arctic or to the Antarctic.  FE fails at relative direction of land masses to each other as they are known.


  Where the sun on a flat earth would have to rise north / south for large areas of the world where in the equinox the sun rises due east and sets due west.

Thing is, like most woke globalists,

Which has nothing to do with…

The sun does shrink, but not always, as you yourself probably "proved" with your Seeing No Shrinkage This Week thread.

If you think the above, then you need too…



Bulma.  Say a live in Norther Ohio.

Draw an overhead flat earth map showing the relative location of Ohio and draw the path of the sun over that flat earth map for march 20th 2025.

Bulma, writing checks they can’t cash.

From another thread, but drives home the earth is a globe.

Surveyors know Earths surface is flat, know there’s no curvature on Earths surface.

Actually large survey projects prove the earth is spherical. 

Anyway..

US road grid corrections because of the Earth’s curvature

Have you ever wondered why, when you’re driving along on a straight road in the Western US, there’s a weird curve or short zigzag turn thrown into the mix? Grids have been used to lay out American roads and houses since before there was a United States. One of the most prominent uses of the grid was in the Western US: the so-called Jefferson Grid.

The Land Ordinance of 1785, drafted by Thomas Jefferson, extended government authority over the Mississippi River and the Great Lakes regions. As a response to what he believed to be a confusing survey system already in use, Jefferson suggested a new grid system based on the rectangle. The grid divided land into plots one mile square, each consisting of 640 acres. The grid also placed a visible design upon a relatively untouched landscape.

As most people know, the Earth is roughly spherical. When you try to cover the surface of a sphere with squares, they are not going to line up perfectly. That means, every so often, sections of the grid shift away from each other. Gerco de Ruijter’s short film, Grid Corrections, shows dozens of examples of places where this shift occurs and the corrections employed to correct them.

By superimposing a rectangular grid on the earth surface, a grid built from exact square miles, the spherical deviations have to be fixed. After all, the grid has only two dimensions. The north-south boundaries in the grid are on the lines of longitude, which converge to the north. The roads that follow these boundaries must dogleg every twenty-four miles to counter the diminishing distances.

https://kottke.org/18/01/us-road-grid-corrections-because-of-the-earths-curvature

The reason for so many map projections is due to the fact the earth is spherical.

Why all world maps are wrong

If the earth was flat, there wouldn’t be a need for all the crazy map projections trying to correct one aspect while exaggerating other aspects.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 09:42:06 AM »

 

Tell you what,

Or this simple and direct statement..

Just as there is a appeal to tradition

Actually, the heliocentric solar system leads to new things like accelerometers so smart phones can use gravity to determine down.

While FE is pretty much useless.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 09:40:52 AM »

Tell you what,

How about you stop babbling like an idiot and answer to a simple and direct post.

Now.  Draw the sun’s path on the picture for the equinox and show how for me in Ohio how the sun can stay the same apparent size throughout the day.  Rise due east and set due west.  And show how the sun can also rise due east and set due west for California, Hawaii, Japan, China, India, Russia, turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Great Britain.

FE is a crap show that can’t “solve” one problem without contradicting itself in several other areas.


Bulma, I just asked you a direct and simple question.  You can’t complete the task because it doesn’t work for a flat earth.  Everyone sees through your flack, and it’s just flack to cover FE fails to match reality.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« Last post by DataOverFlow2022 on Today at 09:38:32 AM »

I've driven through Ohio. It is a fucking dump of a state.

The request..


Draw the sun’s path on the picture for the equinox and show how for me in Ohio how the sun can stay the same apparent size throughout the day.  Rise due east and set due west.  And show how the sun can also rise due east and set due west for California, Hawaii, Japan, China, India, Russia, turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Great Britain.

FE is a crap show that can’t “solve” one problem without contradicting itself in several other areas.



  Bulma, stop playing games. It’s known whatever you draw to make a path for the sun above a flat earth is going to require the sun to change absolute size for most people around the globe where in reality the sun doesn’t change apparent size.

The path of the sun over a flat earth would also require the sun to rise in other directions than east for large areas of the globe.  So flat earth can’t model how the sun rises due east and sets due west for the majority of the earth on the equinox.

FE is useless at correctly modeling the witnessed daily path of the sun.  FE fails and is useless.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Can the numbers game be pinned?

« Last post by Username on Today at 09:20:50 AM »

Done

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Technical Support / Re: BB Buttons Missing

« Last post by Username on Today at 09:19:27 AM »

Yes, it is a ridiculous amount easier for me to update the forums than previously or add new features. This will only become more and more the case as I start implementing in my codebase and removing smfs piece by piece.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?

« Last post by Space Cowgirl on Today at 06:09:15 AM »

"hormone sensitive" means they're putting him on puberty blockers gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists.

I am sorry his health is even worse now. It is interesting how the media made themselves a main character in the cover up.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« Last post by bulmabriefs144 on Today at 05:51:06 AM »

Mark your house on that map with a dot, and I'll even make it an animation.

If it will get you to stfu about Ohio.

I've driven through Ohio. It is a fucking dump of a state.

They had a "scenic overlook" that was a corn field in one direction, and a highway in another.

Oh wait, no, I'm thinking of that other state...


Oklahoma. The other showtune state.

In any case, your state's only claim to fame is dumpy woke cities and skyline chili. Virginia is the proper state.

"Go and subdue! Britain you stayed too long!"
https://www.movers.com/moving-guides/us-state-profiles/twostates-compare.aspx
Virginia outranks Ohio in lower crime, gas prices, cost of living, and overall economy. You only outrank Virginia in belief most people are honest. Which is just that, a belief. Your state's people aren't honest or trustworthy (as noted from crime), you're just more gullible! And we even have a better showtune.
Now shut up about your stinky state and give me a dot on the map that I can cross the sun over it. A nice black dot if you will.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« Last post by bulmabriefs144 on Today at 05:44:23 AM »

Alright, let us wipe all my memories and look at the world as someone who has no knowledge that God exists.

I will also blindfold myself and walk across the street into the nearest forest path. I will notice trees, and asphalt.
Obviously the asphalt comes from quarries, people working 9 to 5 in order to lay out roads.
And the trees came from seeds. Which came from... (error, file_not_found)
Moving on, I see a house. The nails in the house came from metal in smiths and such. The paints from various natural and industrial pigments, the wood from forests like this one.
Next I find a car. Once again, I can trace back how it is made.
I can keep going, finding bicycles, chickens, and people until I reach an inevitable conclusion.
There is nothing on this Earth that does not have a creator.
At this point, I examine my amnesiac agnosticism, and suddenly remember that I am God's. That it is stupid and impossible to assert that nothing made me. And likewise, whether it's just this flat Earth or some wide supposedly uncaring universe, you can't have nothing explode and create everything.

Your government wants you to be a globalist nihilist atheist because some Marxists decided religion was the reason totalitarian communism failed. Just like they have all kinds of excuses for Trump winning the election. Perhaps if your totalitarian government realized that the public doesn't want to be tooled around, they'd stop blaming religion and realize it's their own screw up for woke policies crashing. But that would require self-examination.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why don’t FE’rs get together to do this experiment to measure earth’s curvature?

« Last post by bulmabriefs144 on Today at 05:24:51 AM »

Tell you what, I am confident enough in the Earth's lack of curvature that I will ask you to go and walk the Earth with a tape measure and level, you can spent the next three to ten years walking over a 3000 mile east to west area. Then when you're done with that, you can walk north to south. I hope you don't mind being homeless for prolonged periods. Meanwhile, I drove across the same amount twice, noticed no curve, and continue to be a Flat Earther.

Since you seem to think your time is more important than mine, that you expect me to do your work for you, if you want me to do these measurements, you could pay me. Alot. But I'd take your money, and rather than tell you what you want to hear, I know exactly what I'd discover. The "curvature" is just an illusion. What your eyes tell you with a still picture, and what traveling across miles of land tells you are different things.

You are calling them shills because they honestly performed an experiment and admitted they were wrong.

Did they perform an experiment? No, they performed an observation. An experiment involves samples, and a control. For example, actually measuring for curvature, you use a digger to create a sandbox. You mound dirt so that it has 8 inch drop at 1 mile, 32 inch drop at two miles, and 72 inch drop at three miles. And you look over a how this doesn't match the surrounding area, admit you're wrong, fill in the missing dirt, and move on with your life.

This "experiment" on the other hand offered no controls. Just a bunch of people who supposedly were a mix of flat and round Earthers (I suppose you think people constitutes a control here), who go to a place that is supposedly Antarctica (and not a tiny enclosed set), even though they kinda sorta is a treaty in place to protect the wildlife and historical sites, and just because scientists are assholes. Remember that guy who wanted to explore the Northwest Passage, and suddenly finds his crew missing? This is usually what happens to Flat Earthers who really try to visit Antarctica.
Yes, these people are shills.

Just as you would be a shill if you performed the experiment to dig in the above sandbox. What makes them shills is not that they "left".  It's that they agree to this "experiment" in the first place.


There is not a midnight sun, but Eric Dubay is willing to contradict himself here. You can see in these two videos that in one, the sun sets in the south, and in one, it doesn't. At 5:28 in the seasons video, he shows the sun in the south starting to set. At 4:15, we have the sun not setting.

Think about this: if a video maker can make the sun do two different things, then can we trust video representations of the sun at all? We cannot, so regardless of what I may or may not feel about TFE, nothing has been proven. Similarly, if we have Eric Dubay waffling and contradicting himself, we literally cannot claim anyone is not a potential shill.

This is a ball.

And notice how that in no way addresses the issue raised.

The issues raised are your issues. Might I recommend therapy for those persistent issues? Meanwhile, this is a ball. Distinct from a bowl.

More importantly you haven't even defined what you mean by that.

Figure it out.

"There must be something wrong! My circle is cutting downward! Oh no no, can it by that I have *ahem* accidentally proved the Earth is a sphere?"

No, it cannot. You might have proved the Earth is a bowl. Concave and convex are two different things.