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attackhoe

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I am going to challenge you...
« on: June 09, 2008, 10:02:22 AM »
and I am going to win.


Ask me any question regarding a round earth and I will post my response.

I will own you so hard that your past generation will feel the blow.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 10:29:35 AM »
What is the mechanism for gravity?
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 10:46:13 AM »
OhlooknoansweranothervictoryforFE!
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 11:01:08 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 09, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
What is the mechanism for gravity?

We don't really know.  By which I mean that General Relativity works extremelly well, but it could be supplanted in the future by a a better theory w/ a different mechanism.

Any other questions.
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attackhoe

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 11:38:28 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 09, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
What is the mechanism for gravity?

Gravity does not exist.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 11:49:41 AM »
Then why can you stick to an RE?
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 11:52:53 AM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on June 09, 2008, 11:49:41 AM
Then why can you stick to an RE?

Gravitation.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 11:54:37 AM »
What is the mechanism for that then?
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 11:57:30 AM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 11:01:08 AM

We don't know.  By which I mean that General Relativity works extremelly well, but it could be supplanted in the future by a a better theory w/ a different mechanism.


Scientific Knowledge is mostly always tentative.

You don't usually say that that theory is "true" you just say that it fits the observations better than any other theory that you happen to have.  This is especially true for physics.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 02:03:21 PM »
Quote from: attackhoe on June 09, 2008, 10:02:22 AM
and I am going to win.


Ask me any question regarding a round earth and I will post my response.

I will own you so hard that your past generation will feel the blow.
Given any (not specifically, but generally) 3+ celestial bodies, one of which you are on, all of which effect each other, predict the motions of them using RE theory.
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2008, 02:27:12 PM »
Quote from: Username on June 09, 2008, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: attackhoe on June 09, 2008, 10:02:22 AM
and I am going to win.


Ask me any question regarding a round earth and I will post my response.

I will own you so hard that your past generation will feel the blow.
Given any (not specifically, but generally) 3+ celestial bodies, one of which you are on, all of which effect each other, predict the motions of them using RE theory.


3 body problem?
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2008, 03:57:41 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: Username on June 09, 2008, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: attackhoe on June 09, 2008, 10:02:22 AM
and I am going to win.


Ask me any question regarding a round earth and I will post my response.

I will own you so hard that your past generation will feel the blow.
Given any (not specifically, but generally) 3+ celestial bodies, one of which you are on, all of which effect each other, predict the motions of them using RE theory.


3 body problem?
Well, if he's going to talk big shit, I figured I'd throw something worthwhile at him :D
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 04:16:11 PM »
http://www.dynamical-systems.org/threebody/index.html
Not the best one ive ever seen, but it demonstrates it

http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~dacheson/1089comp.html
download the 3 body problem program and run it (if it doesnt work try running it through dosbox or similar) it takes a while to do much, but it demonstrates the motion.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2008, 05:33:02 PM »
Quote from: Hernan on June 09, 2008, 04:16:11 PM
http://www.dynamical-systems.org/threebody/index.html
Not the best one ive ever seen, but it demonstrates it

http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~dacheson/1089comp.html
download the 3 body problem program and run it (if it doesnt work try running it through dosbox or similar) it takes a while to do much, but it demonstrates the motion.

Both of those fail miserably, due to:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2008, 06:04:51 PM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 09, 2008, 05:33:02 PM
Quote from: Hernan on June 09, 2008, 04:16:11 PM
http://www.dynamical-systems.org/threebody/index.html
Not the best one ive ever seen, but it demonstrates it

http://home.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~dacheson/1089comp.html
download the 3 body problem program and run it (if it doesnt work try running it through dosbox or similar) it takes a while to do much, but it demonstrates the motion.

Both of those fail miserably, due to:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
Read "The Dice Man" by Luke Rhinehart, it's very enlightnening,
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2008, 07:19:32 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 11:01:08 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 09, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
What is the mechanism for gravity?

We don't really know.  By which I mean that General Relativity works extremelly well, but it could be supplanted in the future by a a better theory w/ a different mechanism.

Any other questions.
So you don't have a mechanism for gravitation?
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2008, 09:21:01 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 09, 2008, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 11:01:08 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 09, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
What is the mechanism for gravity?

We don't really know.  By which I mean that General Relativity works extremelly well, but it could be supplanted in the future by a a better theory w/ a different mechanism.

Any other questions.
So you don't have a mechanism for gravitation?

The whole General Relativity mass-bending space thing works rather well (not like I know the details or anything) but we don't know if it's the truth, we only know that it is an excellent approximation to the truth.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2008, 09:29:35 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on June 09, 2008, 07:19:32 PM
So you don't have a mechanism for gravitation?
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2008, 09:42:37 PM »
Of course.  I don't have a mechanism for the electroweak either.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2008, 10:09:24 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 09:42:37 PM
Of course.  I don't have a mechanism for the electroweak either.

I do.
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2008, 10:16:40 PM »
But how do you know that it is the true mechanism and nut just a really frikkan good approximation?
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2008, 10:40:28 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 10:16:40 PM
But how do you know that it is the true mechanism and nut just a really frikkan good approximation?

Sure, one never knows.  But weak forces and their siblings can be hammered away at from every angle, every day.

Similarly, I have a pretty good mechanism for the pseudo force caused by acceleration.  It is very easy to observe and explore.
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2008, 10:09:31 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 09, 2008, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 10:16:40 PM
But how do you know that it is the true mechanism and nut just a really frikkan good approximation?

Sure, one never knows.  But weak forces and their siblings can be hammered away at from every angle, every day.


They're kind of like gravity that way.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2008, 10:12:15 AM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 10, 2008, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 09, 2008, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: lindelof on June 09, 2008, 10:16:40 PM
But how do you know that it is the true mechanism and nut just a really frikkan good approximation?

Sure, one never knows.  But weak forces and their siblings can be hammered away at from every angle, every day.


They're kind of like gravity that way.

Really?  You've built a graviton accelerator??  Do tell.
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lindelof

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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2008, 10:27:38 AM »
Nope.  But gravity has been very, very well studied.

Here's an example:

 http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/Lenses/WLRevEls.pdf

There are thousands and thousands of others.  They confirm Einstein's account w/ an amazing amout of precision.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2008, 10:30:49 AM »
That is based on RE distance and masses, for objects we do not agree on.

Unlike electroweak which I can see in my hands.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2008, 10:33:55 AM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 10, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
That is based on RE distance and masses, for objects we do not agree on.

Yup.  You'll notice that it's (yet another) confirmation of RE.

And you can see gravity close up.  You can drop shit, and if you want to you could buy a gravimeter.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2008, 10:40:41 AM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 10, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 10, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
That is based on RE distance and masses, for objects we do not agree on.

Yup.  You'll notice that it's (yet another) confirmation of RE.

And you can see gravity close up.  You can drop shit, and if you want to you could buy a gravimeter.

I do notice that when I drop shit, it behaves in every way, shape, and form exactly the same as when I accelerate shit.  And accelerating shit is about as well studied and observed as anything gets.
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2008, 06:13:10 PM »
Quote from: lindelof on June 10, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
And you can see gravity close up.
I've never seen gravity.   :'(
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Re: I am going to challenge you...
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2008, 06:39:51 PM »
Quote from: lived_eht_asan on June 10, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
That is based on RE distance and masses, for objects we do not agree on.

Unlike electroweak which I can see in my hands.

Wow, you can see W and Z bosons?  Cool.
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