FET is creationism, nothing more.

This topic was created here to be debated, but was modded over the Angry Rant area here:
"FET: Creationism For Dummies ~ Act NOW!".  I don't think that is proper because it does actually ask for serious debate and is not a rant at all.  I also don't think it's angry, but I could just be picking nits.

Regardless, I think it was moved to keep it out of the more active part of the site.

Every single argument I hear stems eventually from the idea that there must have been an intelligent designer of all these complicated systems that keep our ocean from draining, the stars, moon, etc. in the sky and all the rest of it.

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 32 mi diameter, shiny metal disk came out of the big bang or anything else like that, so here I am.

Anybody?

Faeries.
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Magic.
Giant turtles.

Pcht, so many to choose from...

This topic was created here to be debated, but was modded over the Angry Rant area here:
"FET: Creationism For Dummies ~ Act NOW!".  I don't think that is proper because it does actually ask for serious debate and is not a rant at all.  I also don't think it's angry, but I could just be picking nits.

Regardless, I think it was moved to keep it out of the more active part of the site.

Every single argument I hear stems eventually from the idea that there must have been an intelligent designer of all these complicated systems that keep our ocean from draining, the stars, moon, etc. in the sky and all the rest of it.

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 32 mi diameter, shiny metal disk came out of the big bang or anything else like that, so here I am.

Anybody?

It is a stupid ad hominem attack. We have nothing to do with creationism. I'm moving this shitty meta topic to angry ranting. Your next thread that doesn't follow the rules gets you a two day ban. If you want to baww about which forum it is in then you really are pathetic.

We have nothing to do with creationism.

You are a liar.  Ban me, please.

Most Flat Earth theorists are atheists. Lurk moar.   

Most Flat Earth theorists are atheists. Lurk moar.   

I thought the conspiracy is managed by devil workshipers. If there's a devil there's a God.

Most Flat Earth theorists are atheists.

I think Raist is the only exception, but even he doesn't seem apply divinity to creation of the earth.

I thought the conspiracy is managed by devil workshipers.

Who said that? Do you have a source?

If there's a devil there's a God.

How so?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 16, 2009, 04:53:21 PM

Most Flat Earth theorists are atheists. Lurk moar.   

I thought the conspiracy is managed by devil workshipers. If there's a devil there's a God.

Well you can believe there *are* devil worshippers while still being an atheist. You would just be admitting there are people who believe in such things while not believing in it yourself.

Quote from: lexotan on June 16, 2009, 04:57:49 PM

I thought the conspiracy is managed by devil workshipers.

Who said that? Do you have a source?

right here http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=712.0

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If there's a devil there's a God.

How so?

Samuel Rowbotham would agree with me, he was a biblical literalist, and he is pretty much the father of FET.

Quote from: Skeptek on June 16, 2009, 12:22:34 PM

This topic was created here to be debated, but was modded over the Angry Rant area here:
"FET: Creationism For Dummies ~ Act NOW!".  I don't think that is proper because it does actually ask for serious debate and is not a rant at all.  I also don't think it's angry, but I could just be picking nits.

Regardless, I think it was moved to keep it out of the more active part of the site.

Every single argument I hear stems eventually from the idea that there must have been an intelligent designer of all these complicated systems that keep our ocean from draining, the stars, moon, etc. in the sky and all the rest of it.

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 32 mi diameter, shiny metal disk came out of the big bang or anything else like that, so here I am.

Anybody?

It is a stupid ad hominem attack. We have nothing to do with creationism. I'm moving this shitty meta topic to angry ranting. Your next thread that doesn't follow the rules gets you a two day ban. If you want to baww about which forum it is in then you really are pathetic.

I think that would be an abuse of your mod powers. You are unwilling to cull off topic posts and deliberate trolling so why do this? You are not justified in doing so.

Make your position known Raist and leave the rest of the FEs to answer

Quote from: Raist on June 16, 2009, 04:15:14 PM

Quote from: Skeptek on June 16, 2009, 12:22:34 PM

This topic was created here to be debated, but was modded over the Angry Rant area here:
"FET: Creationism For Dummies ~ Act NOW!".  I don't think that is proper because it does actually ask for serious debate and is not a rant at all.  I also don't think it's angry, but I could just be picking nits.

Regardless, I think it was moved to keep it out of the more active part of the site.

Every single argument I hear stems eventually from the idea that there must have been an intelligent designer of all these complicated systems that keep our ocean from draining, the stars, moon, etc. in the sky and all the rest of it.

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 32 mi diameter, shiny metal disk came out of the big bang or anything else like that, so here I am.

Anybody?

It is a stupid ad hominem attack. We have nothing to do with creationism. I'm moving this shitty meta topic to angry ranting. Your next thread that doesn't follow the rules gets you a two day ban. If you want to baww about which forum it is in then you really are pathetic.

I think that would be an abuse of your mod powers. You are unwilling to cull off topic posts and deliberate trolling so why do this? You are not justified in doing so.

Make your position known Raist and leave the rest of the FEs to answer

Uhhh, my position is put topics in the right section. My other position is follow the rules or you will receive a ban. If you think I'm trying to prevent debate or protect anyone you are an idiot.

Really? Then why isn't Dogplatters photoelectric suspension theory in the nonsense section? Completely unsupported load of rubbish right there.

The OP was a question. Why don't you believe it should be here?

Quote from: Raist on June 16, 2009, 04:15:14 PM

We have nothing to do with creationism.

You are a liar.  Ban me, please.

Oh, did you go to alaska .net and think that site was anything besides a huge joke? And you are doubting our intelligence.

Most Flat Earth theorists are atheists. Lurk moar.   

This may be the biggest lie on this website.  The ideas cannot exist together in space/time.

We cannot speak personally for the FE'ers in entirety, but most of the members here do not belong to a religious tradition. It certainly speaks to RE'ers being blind to reality. All you had to do is lurk the philosophy and religious forum to see we are quite a diverse collection of beliefs. Our only central belief is that the earth is flat.

I didn't make any such distinction about tradition.  Your beliefs are religious by nature of their origin of philosophy, requirement for intelligent design, unscientific representation of rational, etc., etc....

FET itself is creationism at it's core. The FET movement is dishonesty at it's core.  The two things are inherently bonded in concept and dependent on one another for existence.

Oh, did you go to alaska .net and think that site was anything besides a huge joke?

Actually, I didn't stay long enough to read it, but I admit I would probably have thought it was as "real" as this site.

And you are doubting our intelligence.

Yes, I am.

Now, how about my OP?  Any answers?

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 32 mi diameter, shiny metal disk came out of the big bang or anything else like that, so here I am.

I don't think I've heard any theories of how a 13 Mm diameter ball of rock came out of the Big Bang.

I'm in the minority position of non-atheist FE proponent. Though, I'm not sure I would classify my beliefs about the cosmos as "creationist" in the sense commonly used.

I quote myself

I thought the conspiracy is managed by devil workshipers. If there's a devil there's a God.

you can find FET theory about the satanist conspiracy here http://theflatearthsociety.net/forum/index.php?topic=712.0

and now I quote Samuel Rowbotham, that uses a biblic exemple to justify his Flat earth theory.

Again; as the earth is a globe and in continual motion, how could Jesus on being "taken up to into an exceedingly high mountain see all kingdoms of the world, in a moment of time?" Or when, "He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him," how could it be possible, seeing that at least twenty-four hours would elapse before every part of the earth would be turned to the same point? But it has been demonstrated that the Earth is a plane and motionless, and that from a great eminence every part of its surface could be seen at once; and at once - at the same moment, could every eye behold Him, when "coming in a cloud with power and great glory".

It's pretty clear that the Flat Earth Society founder was simply trying to prove that the bible is literal.

Modern FEers might not be religious people, but the FET is based on the creationism, and there are biblical references and satanist reference all over the place.

How about answers to QUESTIONS?

This is the only question I found in the OP:

Anybody?

I'm afraid I don't quite know how to answer a pronoun.

You should respond with a gerund.

Do you believe FE theory and Creationism are exclusive concepts?

They may clearly be exclusive, as many FET advocates have stated they are not in the slight religiously inclined. Are you asking if they are mutually exclusive? In that case, they are not mutually exclusive, as you have pointed out that "creationists" have also held FE beliefs. You're asking a question that has already been answered in the thread. FET may stand alone without religious fundamentalism on its own merits, or it may reside hand-in-hand with religious beliefs of all flavours.

Quote from: Raist on June 16, 2009, 04:15:14 PM

We have nothing to do with creationism.

You are a liar.  Ban me, please.

Bullshit. FE in no way condones sliding continents traveling on the back of a really heavy rainfall.
 

This is the only question I found in the OP:

Quote from: Skeptek on June 16, 2009, 12:22:34 PM

Anybody?

I'm afraid I don't quite know how to answer a pronoun.

Fair enough.  Question:  If you claim your belief in FET is not religious, how can that be?  They are the same thing.

The existence of devil-worshippers does not indicate the existence of a devil. How could you be so stupid?

Flat Earth Theory has nothing to do with religion, and just blankly stating that it does is really retarded.

Quote from: Raist on June 16, 2009, 04:15:14 PM

It is a stupid ad hominem attack. We have nothing to do with creationism.

Incorrect.

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Besides advocating a ltieralist interpretation of Bible, young earth creationism (as it is now known) and an appocalypic vision of earth history, Parallax contended that the earth was a flat disc with the North Pole at its centre.

While it may be true that you are an athiest (because you're just here for the lolz and mod powaz) Rowbotham, founder of the zetetic society and upon whom so many posters here rely, certainly was a creationist.

I am not an atheist, but most flat Earth believers are. Just because the founder did so for religious reasons doesn't mean you can't believe them. Mexico was discovered on a conquest for God, do you allow yourself to believe in it?