questions your Q&A inspired...

did you not mean, melted. I think before the sun came into being, the entire earth would have been covered in ice, and then as the sun grew hotter, the ice under the sun melted, for the most part. Leaving the Ice wall.

unless, (as I previously asked) Earth began to sink inwards as the ice melted.

What? The planet doesn't sink.

Quote from: Agent Z on November 09, 2007, 11:15:16 AM

did you not mean, melted. I think before the sun came into being, the entire earth would have been covered in ice, and then as the sun grew hotter, the ice under the sun melted, for the most part. Leaving the Ice wall.

That doesn't explain how the ice wall is 150,000 feet tall; unless, (as I previously asked) Earth began to sink inwards as the ice melted. This would explain the height of the wall but would pose a new question: what stopped Earth from sinking as the ice continued to melt? -OR- How can Earth sink if it is being shot upwards?

Then, once the surface reaches a suitable temperature for life, bacteria begin to appear. The first anaerobic bacteria do not require oxygen to survive. Due to the evolution process, photosynthetic bacteria (cyanobacteria) and plants also appear. Their photosynthesis generates oxygen from light (the Sun), water (the hydrologic cycle), and CO2 (from the melted ice).

How do bacteria "appear"? As far as I know, unless something creates it, creatures don't just spring up out of the ground. I mean, when we see a watch lying on the ground, we don't say, "Oh! Look how this just sprang out of the ground! And the squirrel hair and the bark and grass have made this watch!"

Please, tell me. I want to know how creatures can spring out of the ground. As far as I know, scientists have not been able to throw some chemicals into an area and leave it alone for a couple of years and come back and find an organism.

Quote from: Jack- on November 07, 2007, 07:27:00 PM

Then, once the surface reaches a suitable temperature for life, bacteria begin to appear. The first anaerobic bacteria do not require oxygen to survive. Due to the evolution process, photosynthetic bacteria (cyanobacteria) and plants also appear. Their photosynthesis generates oxygen from light (the Sun), water (the hydrologic cycle), and CO2 (from the melted ice).

How do bacteria "appear"? As far as I know, unless something creates it, creatures don't just spring up out of the ground. I mean, when we see a watch lying on the ground, we don't say, "Oh! Look how this just sprang out of the ground! And the squirrel hair and the bark and grass have made this watch!"

Quote from: AllHaveFallen on November 10, 2007, 09:20:02 AM

Quote from: Jack- on November 07, 2007, 07:27:00 PM

Then, once the surface reaches a suitable temperature for life, bacteria begin to appear. The first anaerobic bacteria do not require oxygen to survive. Due to the evolution process, photosynthetic bacteria (cyanobacteria) and plants also appear. Their photosynthesis generates oxygen from light (the Sun), water (the hydrologic cycle), and CO2 (from the melted ice).

How do bacteria "appear"? As far as I know, unless something creates it, creatures don't just spring up out of the ground. I mean, when we see a watch lying on the ground, we don't say, "Oh! Look how this just sprang out of the ground! And the squirrel hair and the bark and grass have made this watch!"

I ask again, how do bacteria appear? Many people have done experiments in which they simulated what they thought it would be like at the beginning of the world. They used electricity (representing lightning) to start the reaction between the ingredients, and they came up with amino acids. Stanley Miller, the first to do this kind of experiment, actually tried this experiment twice, but with no amino acids. So, he jiggled the apparatus some, and then got the amino acids. Instead of trying to get amino acids to be created, scientists also tried to make RNA. However, it would be a miracle if RNA was produced. If a miracle did occur and RNA was produced, then a second miracle would have to be needed to get just the right chemically intact RNA.

Quote from: Jikan on November 09, 2007, 02:22:52 PM

Quote from: Agent Z on November 09, 2007, 11:15:16 AM

did you not mean, melted. I think before the sun came into being, the entire earth would have been covered in ice, and then as the sun grew hotter, the ice under the sun melted, for the most part. Leaving the Ice wall.

That doesn't explain how the ice wall is 150,000 feet tall; unless, (as I previously asked) Earth began to sink inwards as the ice melted. This would explain the height of the wall but would pose a new question: what stopped Earth from sinking as the ice continued to melt? -OR- How can Earth sink if it is being shot upwards?

wtf. how about you accelerate a block of cement from your floor to your ceiling, then see if it sinks. I never said it would sink, just that the ice would melt, uncovering the land. Have you ever heard of equilibrium? Check where the ice melts in a puddle...

Ok, whether the ice wall is 150 or 150,000 feet tall, the earth must have sunk inwards if it was originally covered in ice. Unless of course you are saying that the 150 foot ice wall has always been 150 feet taller than the rest of the earth... which nobody has said, thus far.

Also, since water expands when frozen and contracts when thawed, the effect of the water "shrinking" and revealing land would look a little like the earth sinking inwards as the ice wall raised upwards.

So, which is it: the earth sunk inwards as the ice melted OR the ice wall has always been taller than the rest of the earth?

I've put forward that the ice wall mountain range is a direct consequence of the subduction of outgoing tectonic plates at the outer ring.  Thus forming them, as well as maintaining them.

Fair enough. At least that would explain the water/ice "problem" I've been having. (Unlike some other posts...)

So, if the ice wall is only 150 feet tall, how exactly does it keep the "atmoplane" or "atmolayer" in place? Why doesn't the atmo---whatever, leak out like smoke from a cauldron?

Quote from: Jikan on November 12, 2007, 01:10:19 PM

Fair enough. At least that would explain the water/ice "problem" I've been having. (Unlike some other posts...)

Took you long enough to understand it.

You didn't explain it at all like he did, and he didn't explain it until that last post so... yeah.

In the end, the ice stops melting because the edge is farther away from heat source, leaving an "ice wall" (rocky layers are underneath the ice). Thus, the melting process ceases. Lithospheric activity controls its mountain ranges.

And, for the record, water expands when it freezes and ice contracts when it melts. You NEVER explained how that created a 150 foot tall ice wall.

Ok, then the water sinks inwards.

Also, it's kind of ironic for an FEer to imply that somebody else doesn't understand anything.

You caught me, I never read any of your posts. So, you're saying that you are NOT an FEer? Then why do you subscribe to this whole ice wall theory?

You caught me, I never read any of your posts. So, you're saying that you are NOT an FEer? Then why do you subscribe to this whole ice wall theory?

Also, how can the earth have started out covered in ice and, as the ice melted into water, land was revealed where the ice once was?

If the water didn't sink, where did it go? How can land exist above water if it was beneath ice just before the ice melted?

Here is the side-view of the process (with the hydrologic cycle):

1. The icy flat Earth.


2. The ice at the center melts into liquid water. The water spreads by a force known as the Hydrolical Force (F_water).


3. Ice continues to melt and water continues to spread. At the same time, sublimation occurs.


4. Ice continues to melt and water continues to spread further. Sublimation continues.


5. Ice melts and water spreads. Evaporation makes progress.


6. The melting process stops near the edge. Condensation occurs.


And the cycle continues...

Clearly, I'm having a hard time understanding your posts as they seem to contradict the ideas that FET put forth.