Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2017, 11:46:55 PM »
I said I wouldn't, and I won't; I said this when I discussed bringing this idea forward amongst our team.

I'm not going back on that. I also promised this would be my last attempt. Again, I wish to stay true to my word.

I came to the conclusion based off the chatter I see around this forum as well as what I see in our moderators section and from the discussions last time. As I've said, folks have also approached me about it specifically.




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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2017, 11:55:17 PM »
John, don't you even envision a future where you 2 groups can at least be amicable and get along? Remove the filter. I'm not an active member of that forum but even I can see that removing that filter would remove a lot of angst.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2017, 12:56:52 AM »
I said I wouldn't combine our forums. I am not talking about the filter. Calm down.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2017, 05:11:51 AM »
I know, but they would like it removed. Seems simple enough and would be a nice gesture. I hardly think they will start spamming their site and that you would lose members here over it.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2017, 07:25:09 AM »
I said I wouldn't, and I won't; I said this when I discussed bringing this idea forward amongst our team.

What I would really like to know is why you said you wouldn't. "Because I said so" isn't a very satisfying answer.

I came to the conclusion based off the chatter I see around this forum as well as what I see in our moderators section and from the discussions last time. As I've said, folks have also approached me about it specifically.

What do you think of the results of this poll? Or this post from Daniel?

I think the reunification would have a positive effect for everyone involved.  I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but the forums here have had a couple technical hiccups over the years.  The tfes.org admins will be able to handle those technical problems much better than I can.  If the tfes.org forums now are any indication, things will run much faster and we'll deal with less down-time.  Plus they're more active on the forums than I generally am.  The reunification also brings a bunch of other very active users back into the unified Society.  It also brings Thork back, I guess, but we'll try to cope.

Apart from the tfes.org/theflatearthsociety.org forums merger, we're also hoping to make the homepage much more active.  I've done a decent job of adding to the library and image gallery over the past year or so, but I'd love to have other people contributing to the front page as well.  I'm seeing this as an opportunity to be more inclusive all around.

Wilmore and I have been talking with the tfes.org guys and I think everyone's pretty happy to end this rift and start focusing on improving the Society, working on new FES-related projects and spreading the word about Flat Earth Theory.

Has he since told you that he's changed his mind? What about the posts in this very thread expressing support for the idea? Can you show me a single thread where the general consensus arrived at is that a forum merge would be a bad thing for both societies?
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2017, 07:30:08 AM »
So far, we have 7 responses to the suggestion of a merger keeping the fora separate on our site, all of them opposed. Rather, most people on our forum see a forum merger as the main point of unification. Given this disparity in goals, I don't see any hope of a merger happening now or in the future.

If there is anyone here who has not yet spoken up and would like to see the fora merged, now would be the time to make it known.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2017, 07:38:43 AM »
I would love to see the fora merged. I think mixing our two groups would lead to some great discussions. Sadly it seems that there's too much bad blood.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2017, 07:42:27 AM »

If there is anyone here who has not yet spoken up and would like to see the fora merged, now would be the time to make it known.


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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2017, 07:51:17 AM »
Interesting. John, it seems that your analysis of the chatter around this forum might be a bit lacking. Would you be open to the idea of taking another poll? Nothing too formal, just something to gauge interest.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2017, 03:07:45 PM »
I am for a merger. There are great minds on both sites. However if not everyone is welcome in the merger (such as Intikam) then no support from me. Give members a clean slate and fresh start. Obviously the angry noob trolls that don't contribute can stay away (and they probably don't care anyway) But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam. The idea to merge seems like that allows bygones to be bygones. If you merge with the insistence that 'x' member becomes permabanned then what is has changed?

THIS ALL BEING SAID

The particular forum is very relaxed and liberal. The mods are open to criticism. A very brief time on the other forum and it felt a bit stiff. No flexibility, no humour, warnings dished out in a condescending manner like everyone except the mods were bratty undisciplined school punks. I think if we merge you guys would have to be a little more relaxed.


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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2017, 04:39:28 PM »
I'm conflicted. The moderation in this forum is a blessing and a curse at times, but generally I like the atmosphere of this forum quite a bit. I wouldn't want to lose that. However, it seems like a net benefit for both fora to be unified in order to allow for a less fractured community that can more easily exchange ideas.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2017, 04:45:04 PM »
I am for a merger. There are great minds on both sites. However if not everyone is welcome in the merger (such as Intikam) then no support from me. Give members a clean slate and fresh start. Obviously the angry noob trolls that don't contribute can stay away (and they probably don't care anyway) But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam. The idea to merge seems like that allows bygones to be bygones. If you merge with the insistence that 'x' member becomes permabanned then what is has changed?

I have been largely silent on this issue after my initial clarification because I think it is fruitless to discuss further details until we can agree on whether to merge the fora.

To give some further clarification on my perspective, I mentioned earlier that one of our admins was threatened by İntikam; I was that admin. After we banned him for the first time for threatening to doxx me, he rejoined with an alt using my real name and posted a (former, thankfully) address of mine, threatening to send it to ISIS. All this because of something another moderator did while I was asleep, and could otherwise have responded to civilly once I woke up. I have no desire to go through that again.

If there is widespread support for lifting his ban and an indication of remorse on his part, I would be willing to consider changing my mind, but as of this moment I see neither.

The particular forum is very relaxed and liberal. The mods are open to criticism. A very brief time on the other forum and it felt a bit stiff. No flexibility, no humour, warnings dished out in a condescending manner like everyone except the mods were bratty undisciplined school punks. I think if we merge you guys would have to be a little more relaxed.

We welcome criticism of moderation in our Suggestions & Concerns board, as that is the only way for us to improve. There is no reason why that would change following a merger.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #102 on: October 24, 2017, 08:58:37 PM »
I am for a merger. There are great minds on both sites. However if not everyone is welcome in the merger (such as Intikam) then no support from me. Give members a clean slate and fresh start. Obviously the angry noob trolls that don't contribute can stay away (and they probably don't care anyway) But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam. The idea to merge seems like that allows bygones to be bygones. If you merge with the insistence that 'x' member becomes permabanned then what is has changed?

THIS ALL BEING SAID

The particular forum is very relaxed and liberal. The mods are open to criticism. A very brief time on the other forum and it felt a bit stiff. No flexibility, no humour, warnings dished out in a condescending manner like everyone except the mods were bratty undisciplined school punks. I think if we merge you guys would have to be a little more relaxed.



I don't think anyone was talking about kicking people.  I don't even know where you got that.

However, if, somehow, some dumb ass negotiations came to kicking out anyone, especially intikam, then I am against it. 

From where I stand, or see it, their side wants to be the admins and control this site.  Our side is making concessions, but not for long. 

Does their site need us?  Does our site need them?  That is the questions that need to be answered. 

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2017, 09:03:09 PM »
Does their site need us?  Does our site need them?  That is the questions that need to be answered.

No and no.

However, if you could put aside your differences and work together it could be mutually beneficial. IMO.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2017, 09:06:57 PM »

I don't think anyone was talking about kicking people.  I don't even know where you got that.




It's good you brought up Intikam, Shifter. That definitely needs to be included in the negotiations. If a merger occurs, what happens to Intikam?

That point is non-negotiable from our side, and for me personally. He remains permabanned.


I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2017, 09:16:31 PM »
You do realise that Parsifal wrote the book on trolling, right? 

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2017, 09:17:21 PM »
How about we approach it incrementally  The ban on tfes.org is lifted. It was probably a bad idea to start with.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2017, 09:18:23 PM »
It's too bad he read my book first.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2017, 09:19:33 PM »
How about we approach it incrementally  The ban on tfes.org is lifted. It was probably a bad idea to start with.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2017, 09:23:40 PM »
How about we approach it incrementally  The ban on tfes.org is lifted. It was probably a bad idea to start with.

Thanks, I appreciate it as a token of good faith. What did you have in mind for the next incremental steps? I agree that it needs to be incremental, but we still haven't agreed on what we're working towards.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #110 on: October 24, 2017, 10:03:24 PM »
You've mentioned the moderators here a couple of times, John, and I'd like to request that you please not make any major decisions based on the secret discussions of a select group of people, some of whom aren't even around that often. It's great if they want to weigh in, of course, but they're not a secret ruling council, and this should ultimately be about what the entire community wants.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #111 on: October 24, 2017, 11:08:05 PM »
I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.

Then, lift Legba's unwarranted 100 day ban.

Reduce it to a 10 day ban.

The RE trolls have never received even a one day ban.


But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.0

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2017, 11:25:20 PM »
Legba is RE.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #113 on: October 24, 2017, 11:38:48 PM »
I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.

Then, lift Legba's unwarranted 100 day ban.

Reduce it to a 10 day ban.

The RE trolls have never received even a one day ban.


But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.0

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Are you trying to compete with Intikam about who contributes more to the flat Earth? I think you both do a fine job but Intikam takes the prize for being more readable and coherent

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #114 on: October 25, 2017, 12:25:09 AM »
I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.
There are very few things that will actually get you banned or otherwise restricted on our site (normally a warning does the job - people learn to take shitposting to the designated shitposting boards and everyone is happy).

Explicit doxxing and threatening to hand over one's personal details to a terrorist group is one of them. Flagrant sexual harassment (which led to a demodding once) and covering the forum with spam are the two other notable examples.

I can do nothing but assure you that if you were aware of the context of Intikam's situation, it would not seem controversial in the slightest. He started as nothing more than an angry noob, and over time he moved from just accusing everyone of being CIA/John Davis to being downright abusive. We have given him plenty of chances, and every time he came back with something worse than before. He also broke the doxxing rule on this site, and honestly I'm unclear why he faced no repercussions. "We like him, therefore he should be above the rules" just doesn't click with me.
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #115 on: October 25, 2017, 01:29:44 AM »
I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.

Then, lift Legba's unwarranted 100 day ban.

Reduce it to a 10 day ban.

The RE trolls have never received even a one day ban.


But no one contributes to the society here more than Intikam.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.0

Don't look at me. I didn't ban Papa and I cant bring him back. I would if I could


Are you trying to compete with Intikam about who contributes more to the flat Earth? I think you both do a fine job but Intikam takes the prize for being more readable and coherent

I wasn't.

The call to reduce the duration of Legba's unwarranted ban was being addressed to the mods/admin.

Are you trying to compete with Intikam about who contributes more to the flat Earth? I think you both do a fine job

There is no competition.

Each and every other FE needs my messages in order to properly defend FET.

Without my input, FE gravity cannot be explained. No other FE can explain how planets orbit above the flat earth surface.

No other FE can explain the ring laser gyroscopes, the beam neutrino experiment, the axial precession of the Earth.

There is no competition, none whatsoever.

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #116 on: October 25, 2017, 05:47:02 AM »
I think all active and contributing members who aren't just angry troll noobs should be given a clean slate and a chance to contribute to a unified forum. If they stuff it up after that, it's on their own head then.
There are very few things that will actually get you banned or otherwise restricted on our site (normally a warning does the job - people learn to take shitposting to the designated shitposting boards and everyone is happy).

Explicit doxxing and threatening to hand over one's personal details to a terrorist group is one of them. Flagrant sexual harassment (which led to a demodding once) and covering the forum with spam are the two other notable examples.

I can do nothing but assure you that if you were aware of the context of Intikam's situation, it would not seem controversial in the slightest. He started as nothing more than an angry noob, and over time he moved from just accusing everyone of being CIA/John Davis to being downright abusive. We have given him plenty of chances, and every time he came back with something worse than before. He also broke the doxxing rule on this site, and honestly I'm unclear why he faced no repercussions. "We like him, therefore he should be above the rules" just doesn't click with me.

You, as well as I, should know that when English is not you first tongue, it can be hard to express yourself.  intikam gets attacked, constantly.  When he defends himself, it is often interpreted as an attack.

He has said the same things here, as far as calling for hits on people, threatening to dox them, send personal info to terrorists,  etc.  I think the worst ban he has received was a month on this site (I may be wrong, though). 

However, if you ever listen to what he is saying, he has a good bit of wisdom in between the threats.  When 12 noobs jump him, yes, he does occasionally say things inappropriately.  So do I, and I suspect so would anyone.  But a permaban is not appropriate.  He will never be permabanned here on my watch.  And, neither will any other free thinkers, even if I do not agree with their ideas. 

You shot yourself in the foot by kicking out intikam. 

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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #117 on: October 25, 2017, 07:07:43 AM »
Since this seems to be a point of contention, I'll weigh in, since I was one of the moderators that dropped the hammer on Intikam.

Intikam was breaking rules, a lot of them. Low content posting in upper forums (e.g. one-liner posts filled with insults), threatening to report people to the Turkish police, things like that. It was funny, at first, just a pointless troll. Over time, however, we've learned a very important fact about him: he's being serious. He will actually try to get your information, he will actually try to report it to different groups. Whether or not you get a nasty PM from him just depends on how much he succeeds in doing, not whether or not he tried. While the information he acquired about our posters was outdated or just plain wrong, it still points to the fact that he did indeed try to get it and use it as blackmail.

This might be no big deal to this forum, but it is a very big deal to us. Intikam will target any poster who he happens to interpret as having wronged him, which means basically any forum-goer is at risk at any given time. He's a nutty timebomb and has never once apologized or tried to correct his actions. Intikam is banned forever from our forum and will remain banned forever from any forum I ever have the good graces to moderate.

When 12 noobs jump him, yes, he does occasionally say things inappropriately.  So do I, and I suspect so would anyone.

No,  jroa, not anyone. That's not how normal people react to problems. That might be normal for you or normal for Intikam, but it's not normal for us. This is a forum and you have no reason to start threatening to report people to terrorists just because they said "you're a dumb flat earther".
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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #118 on: October 25, 2017, 07:20:11 AM »
This thread was not intended to be about intikam, or you, or me.  It was intended to be about wondering why the tfes changes when you type it here.  We explained, then John changed it so it does not do that anymore.  You can make it out to be more than that, if you want.


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Re: Why does The Flat Earth Society acronym become "google"?
« Reply #119 on: October 25, 2017, 07:26:04 AM »
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