Hate Speech Against Religion

I've noticed on many forums, especially this one, there are an incredibly vast amount of people that take it upon themselves to spit hateful comments against religions they know nothing about. Where the hell do people get off mocking others just because they hold a text in high regard or believe in God? Just because someone's an atheist they think it's there role in life to piss others off? I don't judge other for being atheists. I don't judge Islam even though they think all Christians need to die. (And don't tell me bullshit otherwise, my dad owns a Quran.)

So I'd like to know why people find it necessary to spout blasphemy and hate.

I've noticed on many forums, especially this one, there are an incredibly vast amount of people that take it upon themselves to spit hateful comments against religions they know nothing about. Where the hell do people get off mocking others just because they hold a text in high regard or believe in God? Just because someone's an atheist they think it's there role in life to piss others off? I don't judge other for being atheists. I don't judge Islam even though they think all Christians need to die. (And don't tell me bullshit otherwise, my dad owns a Quran.)

So I'd like to know why people find it necessary to spout blasphemy and hate.

A vast amount of people is an exaggeration, but I must admit there are too many. I believe there is no god, but do not feel the need to belittle any believer.
Your point on blasphemy is questionable though. If there is no god, then blasphemy ceases to exist.

I'm sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. When I say blasphemy, I meant people intentionally saying things against a person's religion just to spite them. Anyone who believes in evolution would be technically speaking blasphemy, but likely not intending to spite someone.

It seems we agree.

If it's ok for mormons to come to my door and try and save me, then I think it's ok for me to post things on message boards to try and unsave people.

Let me bottom-line things for you.  Religion may hold certain benefits for the individual.  I'm willing to concede to it being used as a tool to give someone a sense of purpose, an opinion of superiority, and to help explain the unknown.  All these things can help a person's stress level and lead to a healthier life.  However, the effect of religion on mankind is nothing less that the most deplorable thing we have brought to this world.  It has directly lead to the massacre of millions and millions of people as well as the systematic discrimination of countless minorities.  It's a tool for misogynistic superiority, patriarchy, hypocrisy, genocide, scientific suppression, indoctrination, fear mongering, and - but certainly not limited to - bigotry.  I pose that these things outweigh the self derived benefits.

Because we all know Hitler was a moral upstanding christian man.

Are you high? Just because a bunch of religious extremist christians and muslims decided to start killing each other has no relevance to reasonable believers. Pick up a text book. The last time religion was used for all the bullcrap you listed was around 200/300 years ago. Religion is possibly the greatest gift in existence. Early christians protected knowledge to be carried through the centuries. Almost every religion supports peace. If you actually believe that the Pope is going to use his influence to go kill a bunch more muslims, you are far less intelligent than I was first lead to believe.

And to be honest, no one is going to be 'unsaved' by you mocking their religion. You're just going to make a lot of people hate you. Christians can't be held accountable for pretend-christians pestering you.

Yet, the world is still suffering from the acts of religion.  The middle east still hasn't recovered from the detestation wrought by Ganges Khan. 

I laugh at the notion that christians have protected knowledge.  <--- L  O  L

Also, why do you call mormons pretend christians?  I see you are benefiting from that sense of superiority I mentioned. 

I do not claim to be superior to Mormons. They have addled with the word of God to fit their liking. They are false Christians, and there is no way around it.

Also, I said early christians. The Catholic church was the main source of libraries and scribes in the medieval ages. True, very early christians were incredibly foolish for burning Roman texts, but as I said before; how can all christians hold the blame for a few extremists?

To the OP, I agree that some of us can be overly hostile to religion, and belittling to believers.  However, this is a debate forum.  Heated discussion is expected, even encouraged.  Personally, I try not to go out of my way to insult more people than I have to if I'm arguing against religion, but I don't think that handling it gently is fair.  As Douglas Adams once wisely pointed out, religion is a subject, an unproved theory, just like any other, and should be open to the same amount of controversy and debate.

Indeed; people should discuss religion fairly, as clearly one cannot assume all religions are correct. However, ignorance-influnced remarks about religions are worthless; I stick with a "you believe / I believe" outlook, and have nothing against other religions. They choose what they want. If they think it's what they need, then they can believe what they want.

My discussion focus on people for being irrational, so that they may correct themselves should they wish to. Rejection of religion just happens to be a logical consequence.

Besides, you have to be firm with brainwashed people when making a point.

You assume it to be irrational because you are ignorant. I chose to be a christian. No preacher 'brainwashed' me.

Religion is currently hindering research in stem cells, actively trying to mislead students on what evolution is, discouraging the use of condoms in Africa, fueling war, and trying to teach intelligent design in schools.  These are all deplorable acts of modern churches, and I shall hold them accountable.

Also, I find your tactic of calling religion-haters ignorant to be misplaced when the definition of faith is to believe in something in spite of unquestionable evidence to the contrary.  You cannot stand in the murky, and scientifically blind, waters of faith and then chastise others for being ignorant.

To be honest, I don't even know what stem cells are from. I have heard the large fuss about it, but haven't bothered to find out what it's about.
I really don't see how religion is fueling wars. I'd like some evidence of that.
What's so wrong about intelligent design and theories other than evolution? Why can't they be taught both and decide for themselves? And you say we are brainwashed.

And as I have said before, I am not ignorant of what I believe. I believe because I chose to; because I looked into it and decided the word of God was good. I have been taught evolution and intelligent design. If you want to call me ignorant, read the New Testament (or at least Matthew) and then say I'm stupid.

You assume it to be irrational because you are ignorant. I chose to be a christian. No preacher 'brainwashed' me.

No assumptions have been made. I have done extensive research and had lengthy discussions on the subject.

A foundational part of religion is faith, which is one of the most fucked up thing I have ever heard of: 
Faith: a firm believe in something without evidence or in spite of evidence to the contrary.

There is no evidence supporting the existence of an invisible all powerful man hiding in the clouds that passes judgment on people for their actions. Evidence is the only reason we believe things for absolutely everything except religion. Religion convinces people of absurd things without a logical basis and sometimes makes them feel proud of it. "My faith is unwavering!" actually translates to "I will stick my head in the sand and belief this no matter what." Stubbornly convinced of an unknowable is one of the many definitions of insane.

Some people will read that definition of faith and feel pride, whereas purely rational minds read it in disgust and shock.

It is illogical to firmly belief in things that are unknowable, untestable, unevidenced and can easily be speculation. The flying spaghetti monster is still an example. There is no evidence for the FSM, so there is no reason to believe in it. Similarly, there is no evidence for god, and therefore there is no reason to believe in god. You believe in god. Therefore you are illogical.

I really don't see how religion is fueling wars. I'd like some evidence of that.

Seriously?
Well I live in America. The war we're in right now diverged from the response to the 9-11 attacks. Those attacks were committed by terrorists attempting to rid the world of "the white devil" for religious reasons and for religious rewards.

If there is no evidence for God, then why is there a universe? What created the universe? Everything requires a beginning in your beliefs, so what made or why did the universe begin to exist? Mutating cells doesn't asnwer that.

As I've said, the 9/11 attacks were by religious extremists. So were the Crusades. Get over it; religion doesn't cause wars, they just give some people a weak excuse to start them. Do you really think the English attacked the Holy Land because Muslims were living there? I don't suppose it had anything to do with conquest and using religion as an excuse and good way to rally the troops.

I've noticed on many forums, especially this one, there are an incredibly vast amount of people that take it upon themselves to spit hateful comments against religions they know nothing about. Where the hell do people get off mocking others just because they hold a text in high regard or believe in God? Just because someone's an atheist they think it's there role in life to piss others off? I don't judge other for being atheists. I don't judge Islam even though they think all Christians need to die. (And don't tell me bullshit otherwise, my dad owns a Quran.)

So I'd like to know why people find it necessary to spout blasphemy and hate.

To quote Richard Dawkins:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Bar the "fiction" part, all of that can be backed up with scripture and hence is not blasphemy. It is in a similar manner that we as a community can back up any badmouthing of your evil sky-fairy.

You assume it's evil because you can't see his reasoning. God was not evil in the Old Testament. He was strict. And qutie frankly, he made humans. If he was evil he would have killed every last one of them for kicks. You assume he's evil because you want to see him as evil.

The single biggest problem with Rowbotham's perspective is that the light entering his eyes was then processed through an irrational mind. It didn't matter what he saw because he was always going to interpret his view according to his mindset.

I think this quote fits very well, just change Rowbotham to Dawkins. Any can make anything sound horrible if they try. It's only the blind that don't see things for what they truly are.

PS:I really don't think I could make that passage by Dawkins any more derogatory if I employed 5 English Majors.

If there is no evidence for God, then why is there a universe? What created the universe? Everything requires a beginning in your beliefs, so what made or why did the universe begin to exist? Mutating cells doesn't asnwer that.

Your thoughts are not structured properly. You are demanding a creator as if the universe is a creation when all a god figure does is complicate the equation (since god has all the same problems and a few more). You assert the existence of an authority figure because it is emotional and intuitive, but not logical.

Also abiogenesis and evolution have nothing to do with the creation of the universe.

As I've said, the 9/11 attacks were by religious extremists.

Every religion has extremists. Also.

Do you honestly think that these religious extremists wouldn't find another way to start wars and shed blood if the religion didn't exist? It's not the religion's fault these people are extremists. It's the extremist's fault.
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My thoughts seem to click together quite well in my opinion. I am saying why is the universe here? My reason is God. What's yours?

You assume it's evil because you can't see his reasoning. God was not evil in the Old Testament. He was strict. And qutie frankly, he made humans. If he was evil he would have killed every last one of them for kicks. You assume he's evil because you want to see him as evil.

The man that ordered his people to murder the Midianites and Hittites, the one that ordered a father to brutally murder his son, the one that slaughtered the city of Sodom, then turned one of the few survivors into salt just for looking around? The one who advocates slavery, misogyny, rape and murder of all Gentiles? The one that only intends to allow 144000 people into heaven, 12000 from each of the twelve Jewish tribes? You're mixing up cause and effect, Christfag, I want to see him as evil because he is and I want to see the truth.

PS:I really don't think I could make that passage by Dawkins any more derogatory if I employed 5 English Majors.

It's not derogatory, it's all in the book(s).

Do you honestly think that these religious extremists wouldn't find another way to start wars and shed blood if the religion didn't exist? It's not the religion's fault these people are extremists. It's the extremist's fault.

And I thought it was the fault of the people who brainwashed others into legitimately believing that god wanted their actions to be carried out. Taking children and brainwashing them to believe that they are serving a supernatural purpose is of no fault to the child. When they become older, it is extremely hard for that child to reject the messages instilled in him.

My thoughts seem to click together quite well in my opinion. I am saying why is the universe here? My reason is God.

God isn't a legitimate reason. It is a patch to say "god did it" and feel like the question has been answered, when really that only leaves even more questions. How did god create the universe?

Do you honestly think that these religious extremists wouldn't find another way to start wars and shed blood if the religion didn't exist? It's not the religion's fault these people are extremists. It's the extremist's fault.

The moderately religious who bring their child up believing that absolute blind faith is the ultimate virtue spawn extremism, it's not genetic or anything.

My thoughts seem to click together quite well in my opinion. I am saying why is the universe here? My reason is God. What's yours?

Is it really so terrifying to think that the Universe may be here for no reason at all?  As far as we're aware, it does indeed exist, but why does there have to be a 'reason' for it existing?  The anthropic principle states that if there were no Universe, then we wouldn't be here to debate why it didn't exist, so a debate as to the meaning of the Universe is circular and unresolvable without resorting to baseless faith.

As for your other point, I think you'll find that the promise of some higher power looking kindly upon you after you've blown yourself up goes quite a long way to making a suicide bomber more willing to go through with it.

As for your other point, I think you'll find that the promise of some higher power looking kindly upon you after you've blown yourself up goes quite a long way to making a suicide bomber more willing to go through with it.

Don't forget the virgins.

Do you honestly think that these religious extremists wouldn't find another way to start wars and shed blood if the religion didn't exist? It's not the religion's fault these people are extremists. It's the extremist's fault.
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My thoughts seem to click together quite well in my opinion. I am saying why is the universe here? My reason is God. What's yours?

Ahh, a new christfag.  Lovely!

OK, let's start with the 'extremist' bullshit:  you can't have religious extremists without the religion, and by your own assertion, every religion has extremists.  Clearly, it doesn't take a whole assload of logical analysis to see that religious extremist are a product of religions.

God is a lie and religion is a tool of subjugation and taxation.  It's all an attempt to push away a reality most just can't wrap their minds around:  We are insignificant biological organisms scurrying around on a huge rock floating around in nearly boundless near-emptiness.  We are meaningless and purposeless, and our lives are nothing but minute specs of dust in the gargantuan sand pit that is existence.

Next, I can't speak for the others, but I am extremely hostile toward religious people because you are fucking up the planet for the rational inhabitants thereof.  I'm sick of the pervasive messaging, the bumper stickers, the moronic motivational emails, the Religious Right (has there ever been a greater oxymoron?), the Charismatic Christians, the Evangelists, the missionaries, the Harvest Crusade (did they think about the meanings of the individual words, or just put them together?), the God Bless Americas, the God Save the Queens, the bullshit christian 'acadamies', the sad, patheitc joke that is ID 'science', and the ridiculous skinny, white-skinned man you use to represent Jesus.  He was a fucking manual laborer born the Middle East 2000 years ago, you morons!  He was short, brown-skinned, buff dude with tight black or dark brown curls!  You are a cancer upon our globe, and need to be systematically eradicated as such.

I support the sterilization of all the indoctrinated to prevent them reproducing and perpetuating the mass delusion to future generations.

Freedom from religion for all!

[Hate Speech Against Religion]

lol

Quote from: Jesus Crotch on May 21, 2009, 03:14:31 PM

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I lold, but I also agreed with the sentiments contained therein.

Quote from: RingwallTheTeacher on May 21, 2009, 02:42:22 PM

Do you honestly think that these religious extremists wouldn't find another way to start wars and shed blood if the religion didn't exist? It's not the religion's fault these people are extremists. It's the extremist's fault.
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My thoughts seem to click together quite well in my opinion. I am saying why is the universe here? My reason is God. What's yours?

Ahh, a new christfag.  Lovely!

OK, let's start with the 'extremist' bullshit:  you can't have religious extremists without the religion, and by your own assertion, every religion has extremists.  Clearly, it doesn't take a whole assload of logical analysis to see that religious extremist are a product of religions.

God is a lie and religion is a tool of subjugation and taxation.  It's all an attempt to push away a reality most just can't wrap their minds around:  We are insignificant biological organisms scurrying around on a huge rock floating around in nearly boundless near-emptiness.  We are meaningless and purposeless, and our lives are nothing but minute specs of dust in the gargantuan sand pit that is existence.

Next, I can't speak for the others, but I am extremely hostile toward religious people because you are fucking up the planet for the rational inhabitants thereof.  I'm sick of the pervasive messaging, the bumper stickers, the moronic motivational emails, the Religious Right (has there ever been a greater oxymoron?), the Charismatic Christians, the Evangelists, the missionaries, the Harvest Crusade (did they think about the meanings of the individual words, or just put them together?), the God Bless Americas, the God Save the Queens, the bullshit christian 'acadamies', the sad, patheitc joke that is ID 'science', and the ridiculous skinny, white-skinned man you use to represent Jesus.  He was a fucking manual laborer born the Middle East 2000 years ago, you morons!  He was short, brown-skinned, buff dude with tight black or dark brown curls!  You are a cancer upon our globe, and need to be systematically eradicated as such.

I support the sterilization of all the indoctrinated to prevent them reproducing and perpetuating the mass delusion to future generations.

Freedom from religion for all!

Holy shit (irony).  People have a right to be religious, you know.