Why is it so hard to get into space?

Vauxhall, there are many things which you can deduce by seeing the end result.  For example, because this website exists I can deduce that it's hosted on a web server somewhere even though I have never seen that server.  I have never met you in person yet I can deduce that you exist because you are posting on this forum.  You also often have to rely on technology to see the world like electron microscopes which actually can see carbon atoms bonding.

So what noise do the lasers make as they propel the cargo up the LOLotube space-beanstalk?

Do they go 'pew! pew!' like in Star Wars, or an oscillating 'ooWooWooWoo' like in Star Trek?

I need the information cos I'm performing a 'thought experiment' on the subject & want it to be as accurate as possible.

Thanks, space-cultists!

Most lasers function in bursts and make loud abrupt banging noises when firing.

Quail: Thank you.

I have now concluded my 'thought experiment' on the subject of space-elevators.

& the result was: ROFLCOPTER!!!

Enjoy your sci-fi fantasy world; I'll continue enjoying reality.

It's a pretty cool place; try it -  you might enjoy it!

Toodle-pip, Cultists...

P.s. Sokarul: YOU have the cheek to call ME 'dumb' for not believing a word of this claptrap?

LOL!!!

That's a beauty!

Quail: Thank you.

I have now concluded my 'thought experiment' on the subject of space-elevators.

& the result was: ROFLCOPTER!!!

Enjoy your sci-fi fantasy world; I'll continue enjoying reality.

It's a pretty cool place; try it -  you might enjoy it!

Toodle-pip, Cultists...

P.s. Sokarul: YOU have the cheek to call ME 'dumb' for not believing a word of this claptrap?

LOL!!!

That's a beauty!

So you thought about space elevators and somehow your conclusion was a very old Internet meme. If all of us would only enjoy "reality" and never dream, humanity would have never even survived because we would have failed to invent anything, especially clothes for winter.

Yes, quail: Clothes are like Space-Elevators...

Already been there & done that with the false analogies, so please let's not do it again...

You enjoy your fantasies, ok? Just don't expect me to be as enthusiastic.

Bye-bye, space-cultists!

Yes, quail: Clothes are like Space-Elevators...

Already been there & done that with the false analogies, so please let's not do it again...

You enjoy your fantasies, ok? Just don't expect me to be as enthusiastic.

Bye-bye, space-cultists!

If by fantasies you mean hope for the future then yes, I will enjoy that.  What I will enjoy more though is the look on your face when you figure out that space travel is real, but something tells me that even a ride to space wouldn't convince the more stubborn flat earthers.

How, precisely, will you 'enjoy the look on my face when I find out space travel is real', mikeman.nasa.gov?

Are you hiding in my wardrobe?

Stalking me everywhere?

Whatever; you're in for a looooooooong wait so I hope you brought a packed lunch.

Btw, if you ARE hiding in my wardrobe, that's fine; I quite like the idea of having my own little pet NASA-cultist.

But remember: the wardrobe is NOT a toilet, ok?

Just tap lightly 3 times & I'll let you out for a break; we'll just pretend it never happened...

But enough of that; back to space-lifts & how hard it is to get into space - cos ISN'T IT JUST???

How, precisely, will you 'enjoy the look on my face when I find out space travel is real', mikeman.nasa.gov?

Are you hiding in my wardrobe?

Stalking me everywhere?

Whatever; you're in for a looooooooong wait so I hope you brought a packed lunch.

Btw, if you ARE hiding in my wardrobe, that's fine; I quite like the idea of having my own little pet NASA-cultist.

But remember: the wardrobe is NOT a toilet, ok?

Just tap lightly 3 times & I'll let you out for a break; we'll just pretend it never happened...

But enough of that; back to space-lifts & how hard it is to get into space - cos ISN'T IT JUST???

Calling someone you dont even know a cultist is about as logical as walking up to a random person on the street and calling them a jew.

How, precisely, will you 'enjoy the look on my face when I find out space travel is real', mikeman.nasa.gov?

Are you hiding in my wardrobe?

Stalking me everywhere?

Whatever; you're in for a looooooooong wait so I hope you brought a packed lunch.

Btw, if you ARE hiding in my wardrobe, that's fine; I quite like the idea of having my own little pet NASA-cultist.

But remember: the wardrobe is NOT a toilet, ok?

Just tap lightly 3 times & I'll let you out for a break; we'll just pretend it never happened...

But enough of that; back to space-lifts & how hard it is to get into space - cos ISN'T IT JUST???

I was just saying that your face would be priceless.

Also, nobody ever said that making a space elevator would be easy.  It would requires the economic power of the entire would to make such a massive project possible.  Getting into space is very hard, but private space agencies are working on making it something the general public can do.  Maybe you should look into buying a ticket so you can look down on the Earth and see how incredibly round it is.

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 29, 2015, 12:37:47 PM

How, precisely, will you 'enjoy the look on my face when I find out space travel is real', mikeman.nasa.gov?

Are you hiding in my wardrobe?

Stalking me everywhere?

Whatever; you're in for a looooooooong wait so I hope you brought a packed lunch.

Btw, if you ARE hiding in my wardrobe, that's fine; I quite like the idea of having my own little pet NASA-cultist.

But remember: the wardrobe is NOT a toilet, ok?

Just tap lightly 3 times & I'll let you out for a break; we'll just pretend it never happened...

But enough of that; back to space-lifts & how hard it is to get into space - cos ISN'T IT JUST???

I was just saying that your face would be priceless.

Also, nobody ever said that making a space elevator would be easy.  It would requires the economic power of the entire would to make such a massive project possible.  Getting into space is very hard, but private space agencies are working on making it something the general public can do.  Maybe you should look into buying a ticket so you can look down on the Earth and see how incredibly round it is.

Its sad that, nowadays, space investigation is exclusivelly private. NASA has become "Lockheed Martin: Tax evasion department", and no other public agency gets nowhere as near. A public agency is required. Someone call Jesus to kick the merchants out of publically founded agencies.

Damn, Quail; you just will not give it up with the false analogies, will you?

But as that's pretty much all you have to justify your belief in NASA's space-fantasies, it's not so surprising.

Anyhow, enough trying to smear me by association with your weird & vaguely anti-semitic remarks; back to how hard it is to get into space...

Cos ISN'T IT?

I mean, ISN'T IT REALLY???

Damn, Quail; you just will not give it up with the false analogies, will you?

But as that's pretty much all you have to justify your belief in NASA's space-fantasies, it's not so surprising.

Anyhow, enough trying to smear me by association with your weird & vaguely anti-semitic remarks; back to how hard it is to get into space...

Cos ISN'T IT?

I mean, ISN'T IT REALLY???

To get to a non-stable low earth orbit such as the one the ISS "stays" at, around 27.600 km/h of orbital speed are required. The shortest USA coast to coast route is about 4100 km. Trip time: around 9 minutes. Do you know of any non-orbital vehicle that goes that fast? Before you try it, the fastest known plane is the HTV-2 Falcon, an experimental unmanned hypersonic scramjet developed by DARPA. Top speed: 21,000 km/h. A civilian Boeing 747 (which on itself is a marvel of engineering) 's cruise speed is around 920 km/h. You make the math.

Damn, Quail; you just will not give it up with the false analogies, will you?

But as that's pretty much all you have to justify your belief in NASA's space-fantasies, it's not so surprising.

Anyhow, enough trying to smear me by association with your weird & vaguely anti-semitic remarks; back to how hard it is to get into space...

Cos ISN'T IT?

I mean, ISN'T IT REALLY???

Stop avoiding my question, and answer already. The post that you are referring to did not even contain analogies, you are just resorting to personal attacks because you are either afraid of my question or unable to answer.

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 30, 2015, 04:09:19 PM

Damn, Quail; you just will not give it up with the false analogies, will you?

But as that's pretty much all you have to justify your belief in NASA's space-fantasies, it's not so surprising.

Anyhow, enough trying to smear me by association with your weird & vaguely anti-semitic remarks; back to how hard it is to get into space...

Cos ISN'T IT?

I mean, ISN'T IT REALLY???

To get to a non-stable low earth orbit such as the one the ISS "stays" at, around 27.600 km/h of orbital speed are required. The shortest USA coast to coast route is about 4100 km. Trip time: around 9 minutes. Do you know of any non-orbital vehicle that goes that fast? Before you try it, the fastest known plane is the HTV-2 Falcon, an experimental unmanned hypersonic scramjet developed by DARPA. Top speed: 21,000 km/h. A civilian Boeing 747 (which on itself is a marvel of engineering) 's cruise speed is around 920 km/h. You make the math.

Right; but the ISS wasn't lifted to orbit with jets. Rockets are a bit different I hope you know?

Right; but the ISS wasn't lifted to orbit with jets. Rockets are a bit different I hope you know?

That depends on how pedantic you want to get about the definition of a jet.

Quote from: Conker on May 30, 2015, 05:27:19 PM

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 30, 2015, 04:09:19 PM

Damn, Quail; you just will not give it up with the false analogies, will you?

But as that's pretty much all you have to justify your belief in NASA's space-fantasies, it's not so surprising.

Anyhow, enough trying to smear me by association with your weird & vaguely anti-semitic remarks; back to how hard it is to get into space...

Cos ISN'T IT?

I mean, ISN'T IT REALLY???

To get to a non-stable low earth orbit such as the one the ISS "stays" at, around 27.600 km/h of orbital speed are required. The shortest USA coast to coast route is about 4100 km. Trip time: around 9 minutes. Do you know of any non-orbital vehicle that goes that fast? Before you try it, the fastest known plane is the HTV-2 Falcon, an experimental unmanned hypersonic scramjet developed by DARPA. Top speed: 21,000 km/h. A civilian Boeing 747 (which on itself is a marvel of engineering) 's cruise speed is around 920 km/h. You make the math.

Right; but the ISS wasn't lifted to orbit with jets. Rockets are a bit different I hope you know?

If you could get a jet to go that fast, it is possible that you could get a suborbital trajectory, just by pure ballistics. I was using jets as an example because they are among the fastest non-rocket propelled vehicles created, and everyone here agrees they work.

But, jets are often rocket propelled.  I think you people should do some research in order to enlighten yourselves. 

But, jets are often rocket propelled.  I think you people should do some research in order to enlighten yourselves.

No. Some experimental jets have rockets as a propulsion. As far as I know, all jets use air breathing jet turbines. Afterburners in fighter jets are also air breathing, and so are ram jets used in the blackbird and some super high altitude high speed jets.
If there is a non-experimental jet flying with rockets I would love to know about it. Would you share your wisdom and give me an example?

But, jets are often rocket propelled.  I think you people should do some research in order to enlighten yourselves.

A jet is called a jet because it uses a jet turbine (air-breathing) to propell itself. Some jets use JATO systems to take off, in the form of small rockets for very fast acceleration and/or beig able to get offf the floor effect with heavy aircraft. If a jet uses a rocket as propulsion, it is a rocket plane, not a jet. Some jets use hybrid rocket/jet propulsion, like the SABRE engine, but that's another issue.

Please do some research on rocket assisted take off and landing before you people make yourselves look even more like complete morons. 

Please do some research on rocket assisted take off and landing before you people make yourselves look even more like complete morons.

I actually know about those. As you described rocket assisted take off and landing And as far as I know it is not at all used today, hence

But, jets are often rocket propelled.

is not true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JATO#Post_WWII
It is dangerous and expensive, and not often used outside of experimental use. It was used in WWII though.
I am lost, how is rocket assisted take off and landing relevant to anything?

Please do some research on rocket assisted take off and landing before you people make yourselves look even more like complete morons.

I've heard of the military aircraft occasionally using rocket assisted take off (RATO/JATO), but I don't recall ever hearing of rocket assisted landing.  That is unless you're referring to things like SpaceX attempting to recover Falcon 9 first stages.

I've heard of the military aircraft occasionally using rocket assisted take off (RATO/JATO), but I don't recall ever hearing of rocket assisted landing.  That is unless you're referring to things like SpaceX attempting to recover Falcon 9 first stages.

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Also turns out it was a bad idea 

Quote from: markjo on June 14, 2015, 08:03:56 AM

I've heard of the military aircraft occasionally using rocket assisted take off (RATO/JATO), but I don't recall ever hearing of rocket assisted landing.  That is unless you're referring to things like SpaceX attempting to recover Falcon 9 first stages.

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Also turns out it was a bad idea 

Oh, silly me.  I feel like such a moron. 

I've helped construct plenty of elevator shafts, my level of education on the subject is just fine.

I'm taking the stairwells from now on.

It is more than hard, it is impossible. No one has gotten past the dome. Messing around with it is a bad idea likely, so just back off. I had a system figured out to get golf ball sized objects into orbit, but now after realizing there is no way to get past the dome it is of no use. Lets stop wasting money on the fake space programs and do something useful for mankind.

opps, doom to dome

It is more than hard, it is impossible. No one has gotten past the doom. Messing around with it is a bad idea likely, so just back off. I had a system figured out to get golf ball sized objects into orbit, but now after realizing there is no way to get past the doom it is of no use. Lets stop wasting money on the fake space programs and do something useful for mankind.

Can you please provide us with the evidence for space travel being impossible, and the system you figured out?

It is more than hard, it is impossible. No one has gotten past the doom. Messing around with it is a bad idea likely, so just back off. I had a system figured out to get golf ball sized objects into orbit, but now after realizing there is no way to get past the doom it is of no use. Lets stop wasting money on the fake space programs and do something useful for mankind.

Ooh, The doom! Shouldn't that be in a bold scary font?

The doom

Otherwise, readers will just think you're prattling complete rot. Oh, wait! There isn't a font scary enough...

Quote from: ronxyz on November 14, 2015, 10:40:53 PM

It is more than hard, it is impossible. No one has gotten past the dome. Messing around with it is a bad idea likely, so just back off. I had a system figured out to get golf ball sized objects into orbit, but now after realizing there is no way to get past the doom it is of no use. Lets stop wasting money on the fake space programs and do something useful for mankind.

Can you please provide us with the evidence for space travel being impossible, and the system you figured out?

The very fact that there is zero proof of anything being in space proves it's self. Mini probe launch, No, but very simple and easy to do.

Quote from: Conker on November 15, 2015, 07:40:15 AM

Quote from: ronxyz on November 14, 2015, 10:40:53 PM

It is more than hard, it is impossible. No one has gotten past the dome. Messing around with it is a bad idea likely, so just back off. I had a system figured out to get golf ball sized objects into orbit, but now after realizing there is no way to get past the doom it is of no use. Lets stop wasting money on the fake space programs and do something useful for mankind.

Can you please provide us with the evidence for space travel being impossible, and the system you figured out?

The very fact that there is zero proof of anything being in space proves it's self. Mini probe launch, No, but very simple and easy to do.

So if something hasnt been made before, that proves its impossible? Weird thing for a human to say, we base our entire culture about doing the imposible.
And glad that minilaunch is easy to do, but that doesnt answer me how