Why is it so hard to get into space?

Forget the carbon LOLotubes; explain how the cargo gets blasted up to space by giant LASERS!!!

I'll get me popcorn...

Forget the carbon LOLotubes; explain how the cargo gets blasted up to space by giant LASERS!!!

Not that you would believe it or anything, but it would probably go something sorta like this:
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Quote from: markjo on May 22, 2015, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Misero on May 22, 2015, 01:49:54 PM

They're not. There have just been carbon nanotube bicycle seat. I wasn't saying that I have one. Sort of a joke.

Obviously not a very good one.  Keep trying.

If it was not very good, why did you fall for it?

Because a joke is not the same as a lie.

So you deny that Carbon atoms can bond to themselves in patterns? Wow, now you're denying chemistry as "LOLFAKEIDON'TUNDERSSTANDITFAKE"

So you deny that Carbon atoms can bond to themselves in patterns? Wow, now you're denying chemistry as "LOLFAKEIDON'TUNDERSSTANDITFAKE"

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

Ever see a diamond?

Ever see a diamond?

That's not what I asked.

Well then I guess your question is meaningless.

Well then I guess your question is meaningless.

Most things are. But I'll ask again:

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

I'm having a hard time understanding why you think looking at a diamond is the same as watching carbon atoms bond. That's the process you believe forms diamonds, sure, but it's not what I asked.

If you're going to act like a doofus take it to complete nonsense.

Why is it necessary to see it for it to be real?

Why is it necessary to see it for it to be real?

Are we playing the "answer a question with a question" game?

How fun... 

Are we playing the "not going to answer hard question game"?
How fun.

Boring.

When you want to answer the question, go ahead. I'm not going to answer your irrelevant questions until then.

Boring.

When you want to as meaningful questions, go ahead. I'm not going to answer your meaningless question until then.

Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2015, 02:37:09 PM

Well then I guess your question is meaningless.

Most things are. But I'll ask again:

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

I'm having a hard time understanding why you think looking at a diamond is the same as watching carbon atoms bond. That's the process you believe forms diamonds, sure, but it's not what I asked.

If you're going to act like a doofus take it to complete nonsense.

If diamonds are not evidence that Carbon can bond to it's self then fire is not evidence that Oxygen is reactive and balloons floating up is not evidence that helium is lighter then air.  Have you ever seen the server which hosts this website?  How do you know that it exists?

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 02:40:09 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2015, 02:37:09 PM

Well then I guess your question is meaningless.

Most things are. But I'll ask again:

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

I'm having a hard time understanding why you think looking at a diamond is the same as watching carbon atoms bond. That's the process you believe forms diamonds, sure, but it's not what I asked.

If you're going to act like a doofus take it to complete nonsense.

If diamonds are not evidence that Carbon can bond to it's self then fire is not evidence that Oxygen is reactive and balloons floating up is not evidence that helium is lighter then air.  Have you ever seen the server which hosts this website?  How do you know that it exists?

I think you're starting to see the bigger picture.

Helpful tip. Instead of asking me the questions... ask yourself those same questions.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 25, 2015, 05:42:58 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 02:40:09 PM

Quote from: sokarul on May 25, 2015, 02:37:09 PM

Well then I guess your question is meaningless.

Most things are. But I'll ask again:

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

I'm having a hard time understanding why you think looking at a diamond is the same as watching carbon atoms bond. That's the process you believe forms diamonds, sure, but it's not what I asked.

If you're going to act like a doofus take it to complete nonsense.

If diamonds are not evidence that Carbon can bond to it's self then fire is not evidence that Oxygen is reactive and balloons floating up is not evidence that helium is lighter then air.  Have you ever seen the server which hosts this website?  How do you know that it exists?

I think you're starting to see the bigger picture.

Helpful tip. Instead of asking me the questions... ask yourself those same questions.

Are you claiming that all chemistry is false and that everyone who has ever made a prediction with chemistry or used an electron microscope is a liar?  Evidence please?

Are you claiming that all chemistry is false and that everyone who has ever made a prediction with chemistry or used an electron microscope is a liar?  Evidence please?

I didn't make any claims. Please reread my previous post.

Oh goody, you are being vague again. That makes you so smart.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 25, 2015, 05:50:07 PM

Are you claiming that all chemistry is false and that everyone who has ever made a prediction with chemistry or used an electron microscope is a liar?  Evidence please?

I didn't make any claims. Please reread my previous post.

You didn't claim it but you definitely implied it.  Also, there is my example of how you know the server hosting this website exists because you can access this website.  Some things cannot be directly observed meaning you have to learn about them in other ways.

Quote from: Misero on May 24, 2015, 05:06:51 AM

So you deny that Carbon atoms can bond to themselves in patterns? Wow, now you're denying chemistry as "LOLFAKEIDON'TUNDERSSTANDITFAKE"

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

One can observe the various patterns that carbon atoms form.  What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 25, 2015, 12:09:47 PM

Quote from: Misero on May 24, 2015, 05:06:51 AM

So you deny that Carbon atoms can bond to themselves in patterns? Wow, now you're denying chemistry as "LOLFAKEIDON'TUNDERSSTANDITFAKE"

Have you personally observed carbon atoms bonding to themselves in patterns?

One can observe the various patterns that carbon atoms form.  What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

There is none. It is just a tactic to say something that you do not understand is wrong by simply not believing your evidence or the means through which it was created.

What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

That's the most important part, and it's alarming that you don't agree. How can you be sure something is happening if you can't see it happening? Simply looking at the results of said happening doesn't prove that said happening happened. It just means that you have an explanation for what happened, but still unproven. I don't understand how anyone on this site can claim something is proven, yet at the same time most have not witnessed what they are saying is proven. People here fancy themselves free-thinkers and scientists, but reading Science Weekly or wikipedia doesn't make you a scientist. It just means that you can read.

I am tired of the claims of certainty from people who have not experienced their claims first-hand. It's disingenuous.

Quote from: markjo on May 26, 2015, 08:26:49 AM

What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

That's the most important part, and it's alarming that you don't agree. How can you be sure something is happening if you can't see it happening? Simply looking at the results of said happening doesn't prove that said happening happened.

Huh?  The fact that the carbon atoms have formed into a particular pattern is proof positive that carbon atoms can form that pattern.  The process may be a mystery, but the end result is not.  I'm willing to be that most women couldn't possibly care any less how carbon atoms from into a diamond, just as long as one ends up on their finger.

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 26, 2015, 11:53:03 AM

Quote from: markjo on May 26, 2015, 08:26:49 AM

What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

That's the most important part, and it's alarming that you don't agree. How can you be sure something is happening if you can't see it happening? Simply looking at the results of said happening doesn't prove that said happening happened.

Huh?  The fact that the carbon atoms have formed into a particular pattern is proof positive that carbon atoms can form that pattern.  The process may be a mystery, but the end result is not.  I'm willing to be that most women couldn't possibly care any less how carbon atoms from into a diamond, just as long as one ends up on their finger.

And since carbon is a heavier element formed in stars, it could not just appear in those patterns, and had to be formed.

We can only directly see a small part of reality. Our eyes only detect a narrow band of wavelengths, and obviously we can't see very small things.

We have to rely on indirect observations. We have no choice in that. If you don't accept that then you have to reject all of chemistry, a lot of physics and a lot of biology.

Quote from: markjo on May 26, 2015, 12:27:44 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall on May 26, 2015, 11:53:03 AM

Quote from: markjo on May 26, 2015, 08:26:49 AM

What is the relevance of witnessing the process?

That's the most important part, and it's alarming that you don't agree. How can you be sure something is happening if you can't see it happening? Simply looking at the results of said happening doesn't prove that said happening happened.

Huh?  The fact that the carbon atoms have formed into a particular pattern is proof positive that carbon atoms can form that pattern.  The process may be a mystery, but the end result is not.  I'm willing to be that most women couldn't possibly care any less how carbon atoms from into a diamond, just as long as one ends up on their finger.

And since carbon is a heavier element formed in stars, it could not just appear in those patterns, and had to be formed.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Thank you for illustrating my point, Quail. 

Your point was stars make carbon atoms?

So what noise do the lasers make as they propel the cargo up the LOLotube space-beanstalk?

Do they go 'pew! pew!' like in Star Wars, or an oscillating 'ooWooWooWoo' like in Star Trek?

I need the information cos I'm performing a 'thought experiment' on the subject & want it to be as accurate as possible.

Thanks, space-cultists!

So what noise do the lasers make as they propel the cargo up the LOLotube space-beanstalk?

Do they go 'pew! pew!' like in Star Wars, or an oscillating 'ooWooWooWoo' like in Star Trek?

I need the information cos I'm performing a 'thought experiment' on the subject & want it to be as accurate as possible.

Thanks, space-cultists!

Be less dumb.