What's wrong with Capitalism?

Quote from: Lorddave on October 15, 2013, 03:27:01 AM

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me as to why a math genius, at the age of 12 and living in the ghetto, would never be poor(ignoring the fact that he's already poor due to his living conditions)?  Why would he become rich instantly under capitalism?

Well, he probably wouldn't become instantly rich. But a teacher may discover his talent and put him on the right track for getting properly educated. A math genius will never not be able to find a job, even if he doesn't know what calculus is.

You made an absolute statement (never) and now you're adding conditions?  This is the problem I have with your statement.

I think what you should have said is:
If a person is a math genius, is discovered by someone who cares, given an encouraging environment, and lives in a nation where slavery is outlawed, he is likely to be given opportunities to improve his lifestyle and will likely not be in poverty after discovery.

Nah dude, dude nah.

Quote from: healthy earth on October 14, 2013, 08:07:42 PM

Pyrolizard :

 Now , can we go back to discussing the pitfalls of capitalism ?

Healthy earth : 

  Yes     

Feel free to stop posting images and make for actual discussion, then.  You know, with words.  In English, preferably.

Healthy earth :

Next time feel free to add something to think about the discussion , and stop turning around and go to the heart of the discussion , without blinkers preferably , you will save us all a lot of vain bla bla bla .
But , are you ready for that ?

I have.  I made points, and you proceeded to ignore them while posting pictures demonstrating inequality.  That's not the recipe for a discussion, that makes for a one sided discussion and an unrelated picture rant from the other side.  If you want to discuss further, try this as a starting point:

So healty earth, just to be clear, you would prefer the entire world have no aspirations to greatness?  Stalling, with no motivation to innovate when what we're doing now works just fine? 

That's the flaw of Socialism.  Capitalism may be flawed in that it causes suffering of the poor and uneducated masses, but socialism is flawed in that it causes stagnation of humanity and, in certain scenarios, can confer a disregard for the necessary labor to maintain civilization.

Of the two, I can't say which is worse, but a mix of both is certainly better than either if given the option.  You get all the benefits of Capitalism, the desire to innovate so you can fulfill all your wants and dreams, while a good mix of Socialist economic policy provides less suffering for less people.

Alternatively, if you want to start fresh discussing a perceived flaw of Capitalism of your choosing:

Feel free to stop posting images and make for actual discussion, then.  You know, with words.  In English, preferably.

Healthy Earth is part of the 1%.

May be you are the kind of people who go to las vegas for their vacancy.
Put your ego beside for a moment and tell me if it is that side of reality(that you never want to talk about) that you call greatness and who work just fine , and will work just fine forever :

Not at all, I couldn't afford it if I wanted to, and wouldn't even then.  Even if I were, how is that relevant?

My ego has nothing to do with this.  In a socialist world, people will not aspire to greatness, will not aspire to wealth, and so will not innovate to achieve that goal.  They'll aspire to having a family, working hard for the community.  These aren't bad things, by any means, but they're terrible conditions for humanity to try and thrive in for the long term.

As I said, Capitalism has a horrible flaw, I agree.  You seem to feel it's much worse than I, and without reason in my own opinion as it can be tempered.  Do you have another pitfall of Capitalism you would like to bring up, or are you just an ideologically blinded zealot?

you are always turning around , so .
Imagine i pay you one year of vacancy ( any price it cost ) during this time , you will be able to think about all the pitfalls that you want on any subject in the universe .
But , there is only one little thing , a small one ...

You will have to pass your entire year of vacation in the center of the fukushima city , what's wrong about that ?

For me?  Literally nothing, I'll have a ball of a time.  I'm assuming I can take day trips every so often.  For the poor in the city, it would still suck.  If I can't take day trips I'd probably help the people, talk to them, give them what I can.  It would make for an experience, to say the least, they'd probably have a somewhat different take on things than the people in the poor houses around here.

Like I said, I'm not denying that Capitalism has a glaring flaw.  It can be fixed, even if we haven't yet.  Do you have any other flaws to bring up, or any other facets to this particular flaw?  Or are you remaining the same anti-progress warrior?

What you call '' progress '' doesn't seem to be in harmony with life itself , it's only printing dollars without care about what kind of world , the future generations after us all will live in . Not a lot of wisdom in that .

Good to know that you don't like your car, mansion sized house, computer, phone, television, bed, and many other things that capitalist progress has given us.  I rather enjoy being able to go to sleep without fearing for my life, but hey, what has Capitalist ingenuity done for the world?

Choose the system that you want , if you are not in harmony with life , you can't talk about long term , everybody can be conscious of that . But if you are an egoist , you say f.... that , and the next generations will pay for your bad choices .

So you don't have a problem with Capitalism?  Can you please be more elaborate in what you're saying, because all I'm getting is flower child philosophy.  Save the environment, I agree with you, but that's not what we're discussing.

I'm an egoist in that I have self preservation, yes.  I would gladly throw my life away for a hundred others, and I advocate PROGRESS in our technology so that less suffering is necessary in the future, but in everyday situations I will do as I have to in order to survive.  That's natural, I'm reasonably sure you do as well, it's a basic animal instinct.  We, and everyone else, are as in tune with nature as a fish, a deer, or an eagle in that sense.

Since when is capitalism and peace mutually exclusive?

Since when is capitalism and peace mutually exclusive?

Since healthy earth didn't understand what we're discussing.