James's theory on dinosaurs

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #420 on: December 09, 2009, 03:30:34 PM »
If there's something moving the continents then when and where did this movement start?

I have already addressed this within the thread. See previous posts.

No you haven't. All you've posted is a lot of refuting and a lot of interpreters notes.

And this:

I do believe tectonic plates move. I just do not believe they walk across the Earth, twisting and turning.

No scientist believes the plates "walk" or "dance" so lets ditch that descriptive.

But you've not explained the when, where or why. The reason I ask is that it would be very peculiar indeed if the earth started shifting as soon as we started measuring for shift, which is why you seem to be arguing.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #421 on: December 09, 2009, 03:35:55 PM »
Incredibly slightly, but I still wouldn't believe you. There was never any evidence that whatever continent was a rabbit, whereas with the Continental Drift, at least we can measure now that they have been moving away. Continental drift has some sort of base which makes your rabbit analogy silly at best.

You keep regurgitating the same argument. Once again, you are applying the movement measured over a period of less than 100 years to a time period in excess of three billion years. This is not science.
I'm not regurgitating. That's why I said that they have been measured now, and didn't say I've seen them move in the past. I said that Continental Drift has some sort of evidence to suggest that maybe it could have happened, making your bunny analogy worthless because it isn't based on anything measurable.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #422 on: December 09, 2009, 03:56:18 PM »
"Vielen dank" to Dr Einholm for holding down the fort here, I'm glad the regulars are not the only academics who are prepared to challenge and refute the ridiculous Pangea hypothesis. Welcome to the fold, doctor.


And, yes, you can see how (just as an example) several species of bipedal carnivores, all similar to the Tyrannosaurus Rex, appear in every continent, with the possible exception of Antarctica. By comparing the different anatomical differences and dating of strata where the fossils were found we can see how they all came from common ancestors. But of course, you know this since you work in Evolutionary studies and therefore have read extensively about the subject. Or... have you?

The word you're looking for is "theropod", but you're excused - it is unreasonable to expect scientific laypersons to employ the correct nomenclature all of the time. Now, I know for a fact that most species of theropod were confined to very specific geographical areas, consistent with seperated continents and some sea-travel. Tyrannosauroidea, one clade of theropods (those most similar to the Tyrannosaurus - perhaps you specifically meant these?) were confined to North America and East Asia, much like the Dromaeosauridae (the family which we have already examined in this thread).

Your refusal to use proper terminology makes it difficult to ascertain exactly what you are trying to say, but it seems you think that either the Tyrannosauridae specifically were ubiquitous (they were not), or that some other family of theropod was (I cannot think of one with the worldwide coverage you're suggesting).

Now, if you'd like to point me to a specific species of theropod which has the ubiquity you claim it to have, I will gladly examine the evidence surrounding it. As it stands, you seem to be rather out of your depth. You ought to do some serious reading on the fossil distributions of theropods before you go making wild unsubstantiated claims about them.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #423 on: December 09, 2009, 04:03:26 PM »
"Vielen dank" to Dr Einholm for holding down the fort here, I'm glad the regulars are not the only academics who are prepared to challenge and refute the ridiculous Pangea hypothesis. Welcome to the fold, doctor.

Yes. It's amazing how someone can join the forum and immediately start posting in one obscure thread in favour of a bizarre tale which has little if anything to do with flat earth. What a fast learner!

Welcome "Dr Einholm".

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #424 on: December 09, 2009, 04:24:31 PM »
Dinosaurs were prey. The carnivorous ones ate the herbivorous and smaller carnivorous ones. There is fossil evidence of this too.

Fish did not eat dinosaurs.

I would imagine a shark would quite happily attack a baby icthyosaur or plesiosaur.

Are we really supposed to believe "Dr Einholm" and his interpreter who can't speak German are real people and not the same fifteen year old having a laugh? Well, James believes it so automatically I am suspicious.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #425 on: December 09, 2009, 07:05:25 PM »
Dinosaurs were prey. The carnivorous ones ate the herbivorous and smaller carnivorous ones. There is fossil evidence of this too.

Fish did not eat dinosaurs.

I would imagine a shark would quite happily attack a baby icthyosaur or plesiosaur.

Are we really supposed to believe "Dr Einholm" and his interpreter who can't speak German are real people and not the same fifteen year old having a laugh? Well, James believes it so automatically I am suspicious.

Or, it is James.  I asked a mod if the IP address matched the location of Argentina given, but got stonewalled- as I expected though.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #426 on: December 09, 2009, 07:15:59 PM »

[Interpreters note - The Doctor just left for a speaking engagement. He speaks limited English, which requires my assistance, Spanish, German and Hindi. The Doctor is very diligent in his linguistic studies. He finds it to be an educational exercise to analyze mistakes used. He says he uses them to learn. I suspect he is an ass in any language. I see you using the word "alt". I am not familiar with this and have not interpreted it to the Doctor. What does it mean? Also, please do not reply with my notes in your response. I would hate to be on the receiving end of the Doctors wrath. He is very respected in my city.]

Why not just ask the good doctor in Spanish if he was just swearing in German?

Alt means alternate, adolf einholm = James

Does the doctor beat you when you are insubordinate?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #427 on: December 09, 2009, 08:05:48 PM »
Opponents of continental drift include the reputable J. D. Dana, Scheidigger, V.V. Beloussov, Steven Dutch...how many do you require? The primary theories are that the continents have always been stationary or, the theory to which I ascribe, "settle" in the Earth.

Lets see every author you mention, one by one:

  • J. D. Dana: His main works were done in the mid to late 19th century, when continental drift was not even a theory
  • Scheidigger: His objections were made around 1974, when continental drift was slowly gaining momentum. I have not seen any objections published recently by him.
  • Beloussov: Same as Scheidigger. He published his reservations decades before the best evidence for continental drift was adecuately developed.
  • Steven Dutch: Same as before. In his own web page there is no mention at all of his reservations towards continental drift, so I can only suspect he has changed his mind.

It is easy to make a list of geologists that did not embrace the theory of continental drift. You just find those who published their works before 1990. Where are your geologists that have reservations against the theory today?

Scientists have no trouble at all with accepting new theories as they become well developed and supported by evidence. You, on the other hand, seem to have trouble understanding the scientific method.

You can read the book "The rejection of continental drift: theory and method in American earth science" By Naomi Oreskes to understand just a little bit of how one scientific speculation became scientific theory.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #428 on: December 09, 2009, 08:36:17 PM »

By the way, I have never received a response for the extrapolation of less than one hundred years of continental movement to a period exceeding three billion years. My question is, is this science? I await your responses.
You have received the response, you are not able to accept that you are just plain wrong. The geological strata that has been found and documented in places near geological hotspots show a continuous accumulation of new layers, exactly as the CD theory predicts. It also shows the succesive magnetic reversals indicating how this effect is periodic and has occurred for millenia. There is no extrapolation of a hundred years into millions, there is clear data of tens of millions of years.

If your speculation was true, the stable continents, would either leave no accumulation of strata or would erase the old strata every time the direction in which the tectonic plates move changes.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #429 on: December 09, 2009, 08:55:13 PM »

The word you're looking for is "theropod", but you're excused
Yes, the term is Theropod, and they were quite ubiquitus, from North America to South America and India and South Africa. And they were quite successful during all of the Mesozoic, so your nice little speculation about some intelligent dinosaur from the Cretaceous cannot explain how the theropods spread through most of the world during the Triassic.

There is no single species of theropod, or of any other animal, for that matter, that is found in every part of the planet, as you pretend me to show. That is a total misunderstanding of the theory of evolution. You should study a little bit about evolution before coming up with intelligent dinosaurs making boats.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #430 on: December 10, 2009, 01:07:27 AM »

The word you're looking for is "theropod", but you're excused
Yes, the term is Theropod, and they were quite ubiquitus, from North America to South America and India and South Africa. And they were quite successful during all of the Mesozoic, so your nice little speculation about some intelligent dinosaur from the Cretaceous cannot explain how the theropods spread through most of the world during the Triassic.

There is no single species of theropod, or of any other animal, for that matter, that is found in every part of the planet, as you pretend me to show. That is a total misunderstanding of the theory of evolution. You should study a little bit about evolution before coming up with intelligent dinosaurs making boats.

Well I've specifically explained the anthropology of dromaeosaurae at an earlier point in this thread. Would you like me to do the same for every other type of theropod? I'm unwilling to make sweeping generalisations, but I will gladly work through the evidence with you on a case-by-case basis.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #431 on: December 10, 2009, 06:59:57 AM »
If there's something moving the continents then when and where did this movement start?

I have already addressed this within the thread. See previous posts.

No you haven't. All you've posted is a lot of refuting and a lot of interpreters notes.

And this:

I do believe tectonic plates move. I just do not believe they walk across the Earth, twisting and turning.

No scientist believes the plates "walk" or "dance" so lets ditch that descriptive.

But you've not explained the when, where or why. The reason I ask is that it would be very peculiar indeed if the earth started shifting as soon as we started measuring for shift, which is why you seem to be arguing.

I have stated from the beginning that I believe, much like the concrete foundation of a home settles, the continents settle, moving back and forth. What your scientists are measuring is the back, or forth, movement over a short period of time and extrapolating it over a three billion year time frame. This is ridiculous. I have stated this before so your "No you haven't argument" is absurd. Would you like me to quote the matter from my previous posts?

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #432 on: December 10, 2009, 07:01:27 AM »
Incredibly slightly, but I still wouldn't believe you. There was never any evidence that whatever continent was a rabbit, whereas with the Continental Drift, at least we can measure now that they have been moving away. Continental drift has some sort of base which makes your rabbit analogy silly at best.

You keep regurgitating the same argument. Once again, you are applying the movement measured over a period of less than 100 years to a time period in excess of three billion years. This is not science.
I'm not regurgitating. That's why I said that they have been measured now, and didn't say I've seen them move in the past. I said that Continental Drift has some sort of evidence to suggest that maybe it could have happened, making your bunny analogy worthless because it isn't based on anything measurable.

Do you honestly believe it is science to take continental movement from a period of less than one hundred years and extrapolate it to a period of over three billion years?

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #433 on: December 10, 2009, 07:03:52 AM »
"Vielen dank" to Dr Einholm for holding down the fort here, I'm glad the regulars are not the only academics who are prepared to challenge and refute the ridiculous Pangea hypothesis. Welcome to the fold, doctor.



Danka James. I have learned a new word used here, "alt". I believe several of these "alts" have been ignoring the obvious and bombarding me with redundant emails. I now understand their strategy, if they repeat themselves then denigrate you, it furthers their "science". Good luck and I welcome the support.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #434 on: December 10, 2009, 07:06:52 AM »
"Vielen dank" to Dr Einholm for holding down the fort here, I'm glad the regulars are not the only academics who are prepared to challenge and refute the ridiculous Pangea hypothesis. Welcome to the fold, doctor.

Yes. It's amazing how someone can join the forum and immediately start posting in one obscure thread in favour of a bizarre tale which has little if anything to do with flat earth. What a fast learner!

Welcome "Dr Einholm".

I let the evidence speak for itself. My understanding was that this thread relates to a theory on Dinosaurs, not FE. What you call "bizarre" has been believed by the world for centuries. I am afraid it is your obtuse mind that refuses to interpret evidence correctly. Perhaps if you denigrate me further it will validate your science.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #435 on: December 10, 2009, 07:07:56 AM »
Dinosaurs were prey. The carnivorous ones ate the herbivorous and smaller carnivorous ones. There is fossil evidence of this too.

Fish did not eat dinosaurs.

I would imagine a shark would quite happily attack a baby icthyosaur or plesiosaur.

Are we really supposed to believe "Dr Einholm" and his interpreter who can't speak German are real people and not the same fifteen year old having a laugh? Well, James believes it so automatically I am suspicious.

Nice imagination.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #436 on: December 10, 2009, 07:09:40 AM »

[Interpreters note - The Doctor just left for a speaking engagement. He speaks limited English, which requires my assistance, Spanish, German and Hindi. The Doctor is very diligent in his linguistic studies. He finds it to be an educational exercise to analyze mistakes used. He says he uses them to learn. I suspect he is an ass in any language. I see you using the word "alt". I am not familiar with this and have not interpreted it to the Doctor. What does it mean? Also, please do not reply with my notes in your response. I would hate to be on the receiving end of the Doctors wrath. He is very respected in my city.]

Why not just ask the good doctor in Spanish if he was just swearing in German?

Alt means alternate, adolf einholm = James

Does the doctor beat you when you are insubordinate?

I could use your "alt" argument for the various characters you are presenting here. So your logic is 1) when defeated intellectually resort to personal attacks. Well done.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #437 on: December 10, 2009, 07:11:35 AM »
Opponents of continental drift include the reputable J. D. Dana, Scheidigger, V.V. Beloussov, Steven Dutch...how many do you require? The primary theories are that the continents have always been stationary or, the theory to which I ascribe, "settle" in the Earth.

Lets see every author you mention, one by one:

  • J. D. Dana: His main works were done in the mid to late 19th century, when continental drift was not even a theory
  • Scheidigger: His objections were made around 1974, when continental drift was slowly gaining momentum. I have not seen any objections published recently by him.
  • Beloussov: Same as Scheidigger. He published his reservations decades before the best evidence for continental drift was adecuately developed.
  • Steven Dutch: Same as before. In his own web page there is no mention at all of his reservations towards continental drift, so I can only suspect he has changed his mind.

It is easy to make a list of geologists that did not embrace the theory of continental drift. You just find those who published their works before 1990. Where are your geologists that have reservations against the theory today?

Scientists have no trouble at all with accepting new theories as they become well developed and supported by evidence. You, on the other hand, seem to have trouble understanding the scientific method.

You can read the book "The rejection of continental drift: theory and method in American earth science" By Naomi Oreskes to understand just a little bit of how one scientific speculation became scientific theory.

I wonder how Naomi Oreskes earns her money? Your reliance on biased data is strangling your theory.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #438 on: December 10, 2009, 07:14:12 AM »

By the way, I have never received a response for the extrapolation of less than one hundred years of continental movement to a period exceeding three billion years. My question is, is this science? I await your responses.
You have received the response, you are not able to accept that you are just plain wrong. The geological strata that has been found and documented in places near geological hotspots show a continuous accumulation of new layers, exactly as the CD theory predicts. It also shows the succesive magnetic reversals indicating how this effect is periodic and has occurred for millenia. There is no extrapolation of a hundred years into millions, there is clear data of tens of millions of years.

If your speculation was true, the stable continents, would either leave no accumulation of strata or would erase the old strata every time the direction in which the tectonic plates move changes.

There are consistent strata therefore continental drifting occurred. Or is it, continental drifting occurred therefore there are consistent strata? There are several examples of "matching" strata throughout the world that negate your use of this as evidence.

There is absolutely no measurement of continental drifting over tens of millions of years. This is absurd.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #439 on: December 10, 2009, 07:18:52 AM »

Well I've specifically explained the anthropology of dromaeosaurae at an earlier point in this thread. Would you like me to do the same for every other type of theropod? I'm unwilling to make sweeping generalisations, but I will gladly work through the evidence with you on a case-by-case basis.
I really am interested in the anthropology of non-humans. I am even interested in the zoology of humans. Please send me a copy of your published data so I can ask Webster's to change their definition of "anthropology" to say "the study of humans and dromaeosaurae". But please send the copies before noon, I have to take my child to the vet.

Please work with me a few cases on a case-by-case basis, some from the Triassic, some from the Jurassic and none from the Cretaceous, since you have talked enough about the dromeosaurus.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #440 on: December 10, 2009, 07:42:29 AM »
I wonder how Naomi Oreskes earns her money? Your reliance on biased data is strangling your theory.
Does Naomi Orestes force you to not find current studies that contradict Continental Drift? Or maybe William Lowrie and the evil EarthRef.org pay every geologist to keep The Conspiracy alive? But, please do not be afraid, risk your life and get us a paper or two that found their way around the Conspiracy. And they are out there, you just have to venture outside of Wikipedia.

You were doing so well, mentioning information that is not directly in Wikipedia for the first time, that you deserve a second chance. And write your findings in your will, so they are brought to the public as soon as the The Conspiracy kills you.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #441 on: December 10, 2009, 07:50:37 AM »

By the way, I have never received a response for the extrapolation of less than one hundred years of continental movement to a period exceeding three billion years. My question is, is this science? I await your responses.
You have received the response, you are not able to accept that you are just plain wrong. The geological strata that has been found and documented in places near geological hotspots show a continuous accumulation of new layers, exactly as the CD theory predicts. It also shows the succesive magnetic reversals indicating how this effect is periodic and has occurred for millenia. There is no extrapolation of a hundred years into millions, there is clear data of tens of millions of years.

If your speculation was true, the stable continents, would either leave no accumulation of strata or would erase the old strata every time the direction in which the tectonic plates move changes.

There are consistent strata therefore continental drifting occurred. Or is it, continental drifting occurred therefore there are consistent strata? There are several examples of "matching" strata throughout the world that negate your use of this as evidence.

There is absolutely no measurement of continental drifting over tens of millions of years. This is absurd.
Please learn about radioactive dating. What you consider absurd or not does not change the science of Geology, but the continuous layering of solidified lava over millions of years in places close to the geological hotspots does give ample evidence for continental drift over millions of years.

"This is absurd" is not a valid scientific argument.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #442 on: December 10, 2009, 07:57:33 AM »
I wonder how Naomi Oreskes earns her money? Your reliance on biased data is strangling your theory.
Does Naomi Orestes force you to not find current studies that contradict Continental Drift? Or maybe William Lowrie and the evil EarthRef.org pay every geologist to keep The Conspiracy alive? But, please do not be afraid, risk your life and get us a paper or two that found their way around the Conspiracy. And they are out there, you just have to venture outside of Wikipedia.

You were doing so well, mentioning information that is not directly in Wikipedia for the first time, that you deserve a second chance. And write your findings in your will, so they are brought to the public as soon as the The Conspiracy kills you.

I am fully aware of the arguments and "evidence" for continental dancing (or drift as you call it). It is amusing when I hear "if you just move South America closer to Africa and twist it this way then move the bottom closer to Africa and tilt the continent a little more on the Northern side..." this is not science.

Also, taking the measurements from a period of less than one hundred years and applying it to a period exceeding three billion years is absurd. Any objective person would agree with this.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #443 on: December 10, 2009, 08:01:29 AM »

By the way, I have never received a response for the extrapolation of less than one hundred years of continental movement to a period exceeding three billion years. My question is, is this science? I await your responses.
You have received the response, you are not able to accept that you are just plain wrong. The geological strata that has been found and documented in places near geological hotspots show a continuous accumulation of new layers, exactly as the CD theory predicts. It also shows the succesive magnetic reversals indicating how this effect is periodic and has occurred for millenia. There is no extrapolation of a hundred years into millions, there is clear data of tens of millions of years.

If your speculation was true, the stable continents, would either leave no accumulation of strata or would erase the old strata every time the direction in which the tectonic plates move changes.

There are consistent strata therefore continental drifting occurred. Or is it, continental drifting occurred therefore there are consistent strata? There are several examples of "matching" strata throughout the world that negate your use of this as evidence.

There is absolutely no measurement of continental drifting over tens of millions of years. This is absurd.
Please learn about radioactive dating. What you consider absurd or not does not change the science of Geology, but the continuous layering of solidified lava over millions of years in places close to the geological hotspots does give ample evidence for continental drift over millions of years.

"This is absurd" is not a valid scientific argument.

Radioactive dating is absolutely invalid. The decay rates used as the basis for this testing uses the same logic of extrapolation as you use to validate your continental movement for three billion years.  It seems faulty extrapolation is the key to your continental drift theory.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #444 on: December 10, 2009, 08:02:59 AM »
I let the evidence speak for itself. My understanding was that this thread relates to a theory on Dinosaurs, not FE. What you call "bizarre" has been believed by the world for centuries.

No, the world hasn't believed that dinosaurs built galleons and sailed the oceans. Ever.

Perhaps if you denigrate me further it will validate your science.

I'm not denigrating, merely pointing out the obviously ridiculous notion that a doctor hires an interpreter so that he can post rants in an obscure subforum of an obscure internet site. This is increased dramatically when it's noted how quickly he gets up to speed on the subject.

There are other reasons I could go into about why the "german doctor posting through a translator" is a charade (for those that hadn't guessed it already), but I'd risk posting personal information.

Lets leave it at "no one is convinced".

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #445 on: December 10, 2009, 08:44:26 AM »
I let the evidence speak for itself. My understanding was that this thread relates to a theory on Dinosaurs, not FE. What you call "bizarre" has been believed by the world for centuries.

No, the world hasn't believed that dinosaurs built galleons and sailed the oceans. Ever.

Perhaps if you denigrate me further it will validate your science.

I'm not denigrating, merely pointing out the obviously ridiculous notion that a doctor hires an interpreter so that he can post rants in an obscure subforum of an obscure internet site. This is increased dramatically when it's noted how quickly he gets up to speed on the subject.

There are other reasons I could go into about why the "german doctor posting through a translator" is a charade (for those that hadn't guessed it already), but I'd risk posting personal information.

Lets leave it at "no one is convinced".

I was speaking to the discussion of a flat earth. The entire world believed this for centuries. You and your "alts" are the only ones stating that dinosaurs used galleons and sailed the oceans. That is ridiculous.

As a side note to your musings, my interpreter's primary responsibilities are to assist me in my research and communications with English speaking publications, Universities, etc. Believe what you like, it matters not.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #446 on: December 10, 2009, 08:53:30 AM »
I was speaking to the discussion of a flat earth.

No you weren't.

It's amazing how someone can join the forum and immediately start posting in one obscure thread in favour of a bizarre tale which has little if anything to do with flat earth. What a fast learner!
I let the evidence speak for itself. My understanding was that this thread relates to a theory on Dinosaurs, not FE. What you call "bizarre" has been believed by the world for centuries.


As a side note to your musings, my interpreter's primary responsibilities are to assist me in my research and communications with English speaking publications, Universities, etc.

Sure. ::)

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #447 on: December 10, 2009, 08:59:07 AM »
Incredibly slightly, but I still wouldn't believe you. There was never any evidence that whatever continent was a rabbit, whereas with the Continental Drift, at least we can measure now that they have been moving away. Continental drift has some sort of base which makes your rabbit analogy silly at best.

You keep regurgitating the same argument. Once again, you are applying the movement measured over a period of less than 100 years to a time period in excess of three billion years. This is not science.
I'm not regurgitating. That's why I said that they have been measured now, and didn't say I've seen them move in the past. I said that Continental Drift has some sort of evidence to suggest that maybe it could have happened, making your bunny analogy worthless because it isn't based on anything measurable.

Do you honestly believe it is science to take continental movement from a period of less than one hundred years and extrapolate it to a period of over three billion years?
Yes. First off, if we had to do this to your expectations, we'd need a time machine to finally make this science.
Second off, we're using this data, combined with other data of fossilized animals and plants, landforms, rocks as someone else pointed out, and we extrapolated back and found that that would make sense if the continents have been moving and fit at one point. Continental Drift is not evidence, the fossils and the landforms and the shape of continents and numerous other otherwise unexplained sets of data is the evidence. Continental Drift fits all of this to provide a theory, without disregarding sets of data, and that is science.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #448 on: December 10, 2009, 09:07:43 AM »
Incredibly slightly, but I still wouldn't believe you. There was never any evidence that whatever continent was a rabbit, whereas with the Continental Drift, at least we can measure now that they have been moving away. Continental drift has some sort of base which makes your rabbit analogy silly at best.

You keep regurgitating the same argument. Once again, you are applying the movement measured over a period of less than 100 years to a time period in excess of three billion years. This is not science.
I'm not regurgitating. That's why I said that they have been measured now, and didn't say I've seen them move in the past. I said that Continental Drift has some sort of evidence to suggest that maybe it could have happened, making your bunny analogy worthless because it isn't based on anything measurable.

Do you honestly believe it is science to take continental movement from a period of less than one hundred years and extrapolate it to a period of over three billion years?
Yes. First off, if we had to do this to your expectations, we'd need a time machine to finally make this science.
Second off, we're using this data, combined with other data of fossilized animals and plants, landforms, rocks as someone else pointed out, and we extrapolated back and found that that would make sense if the continents have been moving and fit at one point. Continental Drift is not evidence, the fossils and the landforms and the shape of continents and numerous other otherwise unexplained sets of data is the evidence. Continental Drift fits all of this to provide a theory, without disregarding sets of data, and that is science.

If it is science to believe in extrapolation then why is it not acceptable to believe that a dinosaur can make a floating nest or clump with other dinosaurs as lesser developed species do. If you accept extrapolation as science you must also accept this. You cannot have it both ways.

As for the land masses appearing to "fit". I hardly believe your one example of South America and Africa almost fitting with significant manipulation is concrete enough. You are playing with a jigsaw puzzle.

Using your same "evidence" I find the fossil record supports dinosaurs migrating to the different continents over the ocean.

You are simply stating that your theory is the only explanation for the evidence. I, and many others, disagree.

Your definition of science is flawed.

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #449 on: December 10, 2009, 09:12:44 AM »
I was speaking to the discussion of a flat earth.

No you weren't.

It's amazing how someone can join the forum and immediately start posting in one obscure thread in favour of a bizarre tale which has little if anything to do with flat earth. What a fast learner!
I let the evidence speak for itself. My understanding was that this thread relates to a theory on Dinosaurs, not FE. What you call "bizarre" has been believed by the world for centuries.


As a side note to your musings, my interpreter's primary responsibilities are to assist me in my research and communications with English speaking publications, Universities, etc.

Sure. ::)

What you know as "James theory" here has been discussed for decades as the "Transoceanic Migration Theory". Just because the subject might not be included in your "wikipedia" does not mean it does not exist.

"No you weren't" - this is an excellent response. Keep up the good work LiceFarm [interpreters note - he is being sarcastic.]