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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2009, 06:22:44 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 03:23:28 AM
I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.

Do you have any documented evidence of a nest successfully transporting a bird and/or egg across an ocean?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2009, 07:14:22 AM »
Across a sea yes.  Given that dinosaur nests would likely be much larger, it is not unreasonable to say its possible.

But to answer your question: no.  But I don't support this theory.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2009, 07:19:13 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 03:23:28 AM
I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2009, 07:21:54 AM »
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Colonization occurs whenever any one or more species populate an area.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2009, 09:35:23 AM »
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Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 03:23:28 AM
I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration

OK this is descending into semantic nitpicking. It's like Parsifal never left. John, you know perfectly well that there is a distinction between a floating nest and a boat, you're being obtuse.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2009, 09:41:20 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 07:14:22 AM
But to answer your question: no.  But I don't support this theory.

Thank you for taking the time to post.

Unfortunately I'm not looking for people who don't support this theory, but those that do.

I invite them to show themselves here.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2009, 11:34:02 AM »
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Just because Robosteve is not around makes sky mirrors no longer exsist?

Exactly. Just as when James is not around the colonial dinosaurs no longer exist.


Untrue. Several of us support James' theories.
To be fair, they are hypotheses.

They aren't testable statements. They're ideas.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2009, 11:35:27 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 07:14:22 AM
Across a sea yes.  Given that dinosaur nests would likely be much larger, it is not unreasonable to say its possible.

Just because a few modern species of birds can build nests that float in calm waters, I don't see how it's reasonable to expect dinosaur nests to be able to survive trans-oceanic voyages without knowing more about what sort of materials and construction techniques the dinos would have used to make their nests.

Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 07:14:22 AM
But to answer your question: no.  But I don't support this theory.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM »
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2009, 01:16:33 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.
I see no evidence that they did.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2009, 01:26:21 PM »
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Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.
I see no evidence that they did.
I see no evidence of Pangaea
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2009, 02:05:04 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.

This topic isn't about floating nests. It's about seafaring dinosaurs building boats (with livestock on board no less) to spread their great civilisation across the world.

See here for details:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=34168.msg838217#msg838217

Is this something you subscribe to?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2009, 02:10:00 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
I see no evidence of Pangaea

That's because anything that points to its existence you either wilfully ignore, claim to be false, or come up with an even more far fetched explanation for (for which there will be less evidence than Pangaea). You are known for your shallowness of research and sycophantic agreement with whichever flat earth ideas are being put forward in any given thread, Kepler. I have yet to see any posts in which you express an opinion of your own.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2009, 04:47:26 PM »
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Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.

This topic isn't about floating nests. It's about seafaring dinosaurs building boats (with livestock on board no less) to spread their great civilisation across the world.

See here for details:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=34168.msg838217#msg838217

Is this something you subscribe to?
I believe it is possible that dinosaurs built floating nests that enabled the dinosaurs to spread to the different continents.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2009, 07:01:16 PM »
Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.

I don't see why lizards can't either. Except for the fact that they lack the parts of the brain necessary for problem solving.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2009, 07:14:11 PM »
Quote from: Raist on November 13, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
Quote from: Johannes on November 13, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
I see no reason why dinosaurs could not build floating nests.

I don't see why lizards can't either. Except for the fact that they lack the parts of the brain necessary for problem solving.

Or the requisite manual dexterity (and I'm not referring to just opposable thumbs).
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2009, 09:54:59 PM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on November 13, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
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Quote from: John Davis on November 13, 2009, 03:23:28 AM
I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration

OK this is descending into semantic nitpicking. It's like Parsifal never left. John, you know perfectly well that there is a distinction between a floating nest and a boat, you're being obtuse.
A floating nest used for travel is a boat.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2009, 09:56:44 PM »
Dinosaurs didn't build boats. All the mods/admins are huge trolls.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2009, 10:23:50 PM »
Bald eagles are the decendants of dinosaurs and they build quite large nests. Certainly it is possible for a nest to generate a bouyant force to carry a few eggs.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2009, 10:32:26 AM by Johannes »
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2009, 10:26:05 PM »
Your logic is infallible.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2009, 04:32:45 AM »
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I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration

OK this is descending into semantic nitpicking. It's like Parsifal never left. John, you know perfectly well that there is a distinction between a floating nest and a boat, you're being obtuse.
A floating nest used for travel is a boat.

It's only a boat if it is built with intent to travel on the water. By that I mean a conscious decision on the part of the builders to use it to travel from point A to point B. If that is not the case, then it's not a boat, merely something that coincidentally behaves like a boat.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2009, 08:10:54 AM »
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I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration

OK this is descending into semantic nitpicking. It's like Parsifal never left. John, you know perfectly well that there is a distinction between a floating nest and a boat, you're being obtuse.
A floating nest used for travel is a boat.

It's only a boat if it is built with intent to travel on the water. By that I mean a conscious decision on the part of the builders to use it to travel from point A to point B. If that is not the case, then it's not a boat, merely something that coincidentally behaves like a boat.

Intent doesn't matter of the creator, only those who view it retrospectively.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2009, 08:26:39 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 14, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
Intent doesn't matter of the creator, only those who view it retrospectively.

How would a dinosaur steer a floating nest?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2009, 08:57:14 AM »
The same way coracles are steered.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2009, 09:33:57 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 14, 2009, 08:10:54 AM

Intent doesn't matter of the creator, only those who view it retrospectively.

If you want it that way, then an iceberg with a penguin standing on it is a boat.  A floating dandelion seed on a breeze is an aircraft. An apple falling off a tree and rolling down a hill is a vehicle. Is that the way you want it, John?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2009, 10:48:43 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on November 14, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
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I've already answered that.

A nest that travels across oceans is a boat.  A boat is a vessel that allows travels of its occupants across water.
then it isnt colonization, its migration

OK this is descending into semantic nitpicking. It's like Parsifal never left. John, you know perfectly well that there is a distinction between a floating nest and a boat, you're being obtuse.
A floating nest used for travel is a boat.

It's only a boat if it is built with intent to travel on the water. By that I mean a conscious decision on the part of the builders to use it to travel from point A to point B. If that is not the case, then it's not a boat, merely something that coincidentally behaves like a boat.

Intent doesn't matter of the creator, only those who view it retrospectively.

So you aren't saying dinosaurs built boats, you are saying dinosaurs got washed away in nests? A reptile nest being a loosely piled mat of sticks and leaves. I somehow doubt this (we've seen fossilized dinosaur nests) and even so those aren't boats, and that certainly was not his idea.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2009, 11:01:36 AM »
How would the dinosaurs communicate and work together? ???
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2009, 11:19:36 AM »
Quote from: Mrs. Peach on November 14, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
The same way coracles are steered.
Not exactly my first choice for crossing an ocean.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2009, 11:39:54 AM »
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The same way coracles are steered.
Not exactly my first choice for crossing an ocean.

Simply speculating, I imagine there were many disasters as with countless other ancient migrations. The success of these dinosaurs should provide us with a new appreciation of their apparent energetic natures.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2009, 11:43:43 AM »
So a success rate of 1/100 would be hopeful. And then they'd have to get two different sexes across, so 1/200 that they get two across, and then a 1/400 that they get a male and female across.

Then you have to factor in that they'd have to have enough for genetic diversity, 100 should be enough for genetic diversity. so the loss of life would be 398*100, though the numbers should allow you to ignore sex, so 198*100 would be the total losses, or 19,800. That of course is per species. I don't think their populations were high enough.
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