James's theory on dinosaurs

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1020 on: November 17, 2010, 05:25:46 AM »
None of this constitutes evidence that dinosaurs were an advanced civilization which was capable of crossing the oceans and colonizing other continents. In fact, no such evidence has yet been presented here.

I know this is not evidence in itself, the main points i was making are:

1 - They wouldn't have had to have been very advanced at all. Again, think less of a dinosaur themed Napoleonic navy and more of a herd of buffalo fording a river, albeit on a grander scale
2 - Crossing an entire ocean is not necessary, as mentioned the Bering strait is less than 100km wide and it may have containted islands or a land bridge when dinosaurs existed, which have since eroded
3 - If it did happen, finding fossil evidence is very unlikely. You can't realistically rule out this theory due to lack of evidence any more than you can rule out the entire works of Darwin and all modern theories of evolution just because there isn't a transitional fossil between another known dinosaur and archaeopteryx.

Nobody can prove it did or didn't happen. I'm just saying we can't rule it out, especially considering the massive number of unknowns we are dealing with here. I for one support the theory and commend James on his research. It makes for a very interesting read!
  How do you suppose that there can be any research about that if you state that Nobody can prove it did or didn't happen. I think the better wording is that you support his fantasizing.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1021 on: November 17, 2010, 02:41:25 PM »
  How do you suppose that there can be any research about that if you state that Nobody can prove it did or didn't happen. I think the better wording is that you support his fantasizing.

My bad, I was trying to be too diplomatic by saying nobody could prove anything. In hindsight, I should have said it would be difficult to prove and impossible to disprove. It may seem unscientific, since a proper scientific theory must have a criterion for failure, but this is the ultimate result of a lot of theories about the prehistoric earth. Since we can't go back in time and witness these things it eventually comes down to people debating which is more likely and which is less likely. James' research is indeed helpful, as the evolution of Deinonychus into smaller dinosaurs with smaller claws could be explained by the fact that they had at least formed primitive social structures. This would allow them to forgo the more difficult life of a solitary predator, instead focusing on teamwork and communication to bring down prey, like modern day pack animals. This of course requires moderate communicative skills and at least a reasonably organized social structure.

In fact the more I think about James' research the more sense it makes. Modern day ants are known to farm a species of fungus for food, even going so far as to cut pieces from leaves specifically for the purpose of cultivating it. If ants can do this there is no logical reason why a highly social dinosaur species might not do something similar, such as cultivating a species of plant which was a known favorite food of their Saurolophus prey. Before you dismiss this idea there are a few points to consider:

1) - Think about this from the point of view of small changes, that's how evolution works. If a Dromaeosaur were to hatch with a mutated sense of smell that made it more attracted to the plants that Saurolophus ate, that would make it more likely to hang around areas with these plants -> more likely to catch prey. This mutation would be advantageous and over time it would spread throught he population. The one hatches which has a mutation causing it to become more territorial, driving out other species from this area of Saurolophus plants, establishing a semi-permanent home. The rest of their pack / tribal society follows suit. Through small steps like these it is entirely possible that a basic (and i stress the word basic here) agrarian society could have developed, with Dromaeosaurs cultivating the plants to feed wandering livestock.

2) - We can witness similar things happening today. Nature is filled with species which manipulate other species, species with symbiotic relationships with one another, etc. Symbitoic relationships such as the fungi - leaf cutter ant mirror the relationship of the plants and Dromaeosaurs discussed above, with one species cultivating and controlling the other for the benefit of both. In fact evolutionary biologists have theorized that symbiosis may have played a much more important role in the development of life on earth than was originally thought, for example the theory that the organelles inside cells were once separate basic organisms in the primordial soup which were then incorporated inside a larger host cell, for the benefit of both.

All in all, given modern day examples of symbiosis, advanced communicative skills and social structures, I find James' theories very intriguing and quite possible. I think the mockery he has received from the round earthers, is unwarranted, and many of them are simply not thinking about this from an evolutionary perspective. They just think "dinosaur navy lolololol wat a n00b" and respond with ridicule, but when you think about these things in small, logical, evolutionary steps you begin to see the possibility, even the likeliness, of the theory.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1022 on: November 17, 2010, 11:05:16 PM »
 I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1023 on: November 18, 2010, 08:05:30 AM »
I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?


We've been over this time and time again. The fossil record of dinosaurs is patchy at best. For example, around 30 specimens of Tyrannosaurus have been found, and this is considered a relatively huge number. The odds of us finding wooden boats etc. from the era are miniscule. Brand new species of dinosaur are regularly discovered, yet your shocked we haven't found boats or rafts from hundreds of millions of years ago?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1024 on: November 18, 2010, 08:07:39 AM »
I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?


We've been over this time and time again. The fossil record of dinosaurs is patchy at best. For example, around 30 specimens of Tyrannosaurus have been found, and this is considered a relatively huge number. The odds of us finding wooden boats etc. from the era are miniscule. Brand new species of dinosaur are regularly discovered, yet your shocked we haven't found boats or rafts from hundreds of millions of years ago?

More shocked that anyone considers it to be true without any supporting evidence.
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« Reply #1025 on: November 18, 2010, 08:51:36 AM »
More shocked that anyone considers it to be true without any supporting evidence.


Do you have any supporting evidence that more than 30 Tyrannosaurs existed?
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1026 on: November 18, 2010, 08:56:24 AM »
More shocked that anyone considers it to be true without any supporting evidence.


Do you have any supporting evidence that more than 30 Tyrannosaurs existed?

No, but we have evidence that Tyrannosaurs existed.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1027 on: November 18, 2010, 09:24:05 AM »
And that they had feathery heads  ;D ahaha
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1028 on: November 18, 2010, 09:26:31 AM »
And that they had feathery heads  ;D ahaha
I'm sorry, but dinosaurs do have feathers on their heads. Please look out your window for confirmation.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1029 on: November 18, 2010, 01:12:20 PM »
I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?


We've been over this time and time again. The fossil record of dinosaurs is patchy at best. For example, around 30 specimens of Tyrannosaurus have been found, and this is considered a relatively huge number. The odds of us finding wooden boats etc. from the era are miniscule. Brand new species of dinosaur are regularly discovered, yet your shocked we haven't found boats or rafts from hundreds of millions of years ago?
Yes, I am. There are misc remnants from of stone age even when there were no human civilizations in that time. If there was dinosaur civilization and they supposedly built whatever they built then they had tools which were done from something other than wood. From something that didn't break or perish so easily. Or maybe you really didn't speculate about civilization but just dinosaurs building boats with their teeth and claws. But that is no civilization built by intelligent being. That is... I don't know, some stupid animal scratching trees with teeth and claws.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1030 on: November 18, 2010, 01:37:31 PM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?

Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1031 on: November 18, 2010, 01:41:07 PM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1032 on: November 18, 2010, 02:29:01 PM »
I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?


We've been over this time and time again. The fossil record of dinosaurs is patchy at best. For example, around 30 specimens of Tyrannosaurus have been found, and this is considered a relatively huge number. The odds of us finding wooden boats etc. from the era are miniscule. Brand new species of dinosaur are regularly discovered, yet your shocked we haven't found boats or rafts from hundreds of millions of years ago?
Yes, I am. There are misc remnants from of stone age even when there were no human civilizations in that time. If there was dinosaur civilization and they supposedly built whatever they built then they had tools which were done from something other than wood. From something that didn't break or perish so easily. Or maybe you really didn't speculate about civilization but just dinosaurs building boats with their teeth and claws. But that is no civilization built by intelligent being. That is... I don't know, some stupid animal scratching trees with teeth and claws.

Firstly, the stone age was far more recent than the dinosaurs. That's like saying "I have leftovers in my fridge from yesterday, but I don't have any from before 3 days ago, therefore I must not have eaten anything, ever, up until 3 days ago." The evidence of tool use may not have been preserved or it may simply have yet to be discovered.

Secondly, as was mentioned earlier, not all evidence is preserved in the fossil record, in fact next to none of it is, not to mention the fact that we have yet to conduct archaeological digs everywhere on earth. discounting this theory because of the lack of evidence for tool usage is like discounting the theory of evolution because we don't have a steady chain of fossils connecting the dinosaurs to archaeopteryx.

And finally, while I greatly respect James' work, I am in favor of a less technologically focused society. I'm not talking about a dino ancient Greece or anything, I'm thinking more along the lines of a dino australian-aboriginal type of society. Nomadic or with simple permanent residences such as caves. Simple boats made from hollowed out logs. That sort of thing.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1033 on: November 18, 2010, 02:35:57 PM »
I understood that the question was if the dinosaurs had the civilization not the primitive society like the ants. If there is civilization then there is always remnants of tools and other products of civilization. There is dinosaurs bones and fossilized dinosaurs. How come there isn't any signs of their civilization?


We've been over this time and time again. The fossil record of dinosaurs is patchy at best. For example, around 30 specimens of Tyrannosaurus have been found, and this is considered a relatively huge number. The odds of us finding wooden boats etc. from the era are miniscule. Brand new species of dinosaur are regularly discovered, yet your shocked we haven't found boats or rafts from hundreds of millions of years ago?
Yes, I am. There are misc remnants from of stone age even when there were no human civilizations in that time. If there was dinosaur civilization and they supposedly built whatever they built then they had tools which were done from something other than wood. From something that didn't break or perish so easily. Or maybe you really didn't speculate about civilization but just dinosaurs building boats with their teeth and claws. But that is no civilization built by intelligent being. That is... I don't know, some stupid animal scratching trees with teeth and claws.

Firstly, the stone age was far more recent than the dinosaurs. That's like saying "I have leftovers in my fridge from yesterday, but I don't have any from before 3 days ago, therefore I must not have eaten anything, ever, up until 3 days ago." The evidence of tool use may not have been preserved or it may simply have yet to be discovered.

Secondly, as was mentioned earlier, not all evidence is preserved in the fossil record, in fact next to none of it is, not to mention the fact that we have yet to conduct archaeological digs everywhere on earth. discounting this theory because of the lack of evidence for tool usage is like discounting the theory of evolution because we don't have a steady chain of fossils connecting the dinosaurs to archaeopteryx.

And finally, while I greatly respect James' work, I am in favor of a less technologically focused society. I'm not talking about a dino ancient Greece or anything, I'm thinking more along the lines of a dino australian-aboriginal type of society. Nomadic or with simple permanent residences such as caves. Simple boats made from hollowed out logs. That sort of thing.
Please explain the reason that you believe in sea-faring land-dwelling dinosaurs. In particular, list all evidence that you've seen and demonstrate that a conspiracy did not fake that evidence.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1034 on: November 18, 2010, 08:30:22 PM »
I'm sure the only reason James came up with such a wild idea is because the continents cannot move on a Flat Earth like to do on a Round Earth. Since continents would have been conjoined hundreds of millions of years ago, dinosaurs fossils can end up on different continents because it wouldn't be far fetched for that area to have been one land mass, instead of having a sea or ocean between them.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1035 on: November 18, 2010, 09:03:01 PM »
Firstly, the stone age was far more recent than the dinosaurs. That's like saying "I have leftovers in my fridge from yesterday, but I don't have any from before 3 days ago, therefore I must not have eaten anything, ever, up until 3 days ago." The evidence of tool use may not have been preserved or it may simply have yet to be discovered.

 Time is irrelevant. We have fossilized dinosaurs and their bones. If these are preserved then other things must also. We are talking about civilization here which always leaves the signs and to hollow something big out of log you have to have some tools made from stones or metal.
  But as you still push forward the idea of society then this is based on what? Give me a hint what physical findings from history gives you a hint that there might have been something society like with dinosaurs.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1036 on: November 18, 2010, 09:20:25 PM »
There's also petrified wood. It would be possible to have fossils of dino boats if the existed.

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1037 on: November 19, 2010, 04:47:21 AM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.

How could you tell whether a dinosaur had feathers on its head from so far away? This is ridiculous, dinosaurs fly far too fast and are far to small to be reliably examined in this manner. Somebody will have to catch one in order to adequately demonstrate the veracity of this hypothesis.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1038 on: November 19, 2010, 06:13:00 AM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.

How could you tell whether a dinosaur had feathers on its head from so far away? This is ridiculous, dinosaurs fly far too fast and are far to small to be reliably examined in this manner. Somebody will have to catch one in order to adequately demonstrate the veracity of this hypothesis.
How can you tell they had boats?

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1039 on: November 19, 2010, 06:23:15 AM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.

How could you tell whether a dinosaur had feathers on its head from so far away? This is ridiculous, dinosaurs fly far too fast and are far to small to be reliably examined in this manner. Somebody will have to catch one in order to adequately demonstrate the veracity of this hypothesis.
They are not so far away. I have small feeding house behind my window and every winter they come for a food.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1040 on: November 19, 2010, 06:31:33 AM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.

How could you tell whether a dinosaur had feathers on its head from so far away? This is ridiculous., dDinosaurs fly far too fast and are far totoo small to be reliably examined in this manner. Somebody will have to catch one in order to adequately demonstrate the veracity of this hypothesis.
I suggest that you're mistaken. I regularly watch dinosaur out my window stalking their prey on the lawn. I can see their feather easily, even without binoculars. Of course, some dinosaurs are raised in captivity, so a visit to the zoo or the pet shop would resolve the issue as well.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1041 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:21 AM »
Please look out your window

All I see is a flat disc. your point?
Wait until a dinosaur flies by and examine its head for feathers.

How could you tell whether a dinosaur had feathers on its head from so far away? This is ridiculous, dinosaurs fly far too fast and are far to small to be reliably examined in this manner. Somebody will have to catch one in order to adequately demonstrate the veracity of this hypothesis.
Wait, we need to catch a dinosaur? You are too far gone for help!

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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1042 on: November 19, 2010, 07:38:18 AM »
No, but we have evidence that Tyrannosaurs existed.


But paleontologists make much larger claims based on those few skeletons. They claim that this was a huge and populace species, despite only having 30 specimins. Where is the fossil evidence for all the other Tyrannosaurs?


Time is irrelevant. We have fossilized dinosaurs and their bones. If these are preserved then other things must also. We are talking about civilization here which always leaves the signs and to hollow something big out of log you have to have some tools made from stones or metal.
  But as you still push forward the idea of society then this is based on what? Give me a hint what physical findings from history gives you a hint that there might have been something society like with dinosaurs.


What do you mean "time is irrelevant"? In archeology? ???


We actually have very few dinosaur fossils given the number that supposedly existed. As I have said, to expect evidence of tools over that period of time and with such a sketchy fossil record is ridiculous.


And finally, while I greatly respect James' work, I am in favor of a less technologically focused society. I'm not talking about a dino ancient Greece or anything, I'm thinking more along the lines of a dino australian-aboriginal type of society. Nomadic or with simple permanent residences such as caves. Simple boats made from hollowed out logs. That sort of thing.


Agreed. I think we're talking log boats, or at most large ocean-going rafts.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1043 on: November 19, 2010, 07:40:28 AM »
Time is irrelevant. We have fossilized dinosaurs and their bones. If these are preserved then other things must also. We are talking about civilization here which always leaves the signs and to hollow something big out of log you have to have some tools made from stones or metal.
  But as you still push forward the idea of society then this is based on what? Give me a hint what physical findings from history gives you a hint that there might have been something society like with dinosaurs.


What do you mean "time is irrelevant"? In archeology? ???


We actually have very few dinosaur fossils given the number that supposedly existed. As I have said, to expect evidence of tools over that period of time and with such a sketchy fossil record is ridiculous.
What direct sensorial evidence do you have of prehistoric dinosaurs making tools? Are you concluding something again in violation of first principles?
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« Reply #1044 on: November 19, 2010, 08:06:19 AM »
What direct sensorial evidence do you have of prehistoric dinosaurs making tools? Are you concluding something again in violation of first principles?


Irrelevant to this thread. I have always made the scope and application of that line of reasoning clear. Please do not derail every thread with discussions about it.
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« Reply #1045 on: November 19, 2010, 08:10:46 AM »
What direct sensorial evidence do you have of prehistoric dinosaurs making tools? Are you concluding something again in violation of first principles?


Irrelevant to this thread. I have always made the scope and application of that line of reasoning clear. Please do not derail every thread with discussions about it.
Quite relevant to the thread. How do we know, based on your own reasoning, that prehistoric dinosaurs made tools? Should we not hold you to your own principles when you join a debate like you hold me when I join a debate. Please explain. Thanks.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1046 on: November 19, 2010, 08:18:33 AM »
So does this only apply when concluding the shape of the earth:

You guys keep bringing up abstract reasoning, models, and thought experiments, but they are not valid in this context. Here is the rule, and it is very simple:


Direct sensorial evidence or it didn't happen!

???

You seem to be arguing in favor of several things you do not have direct sensorial evidence for, such as a dino civilization, the sun not being where it appears to be, etc.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1047 on: November 19, 2010, 08:36:13 AM »
Time is irrelevant. We have fossilized dinosaurs and their bones. If these are preserved then other things must also. We are talking about civilization here which always leaves the signs and to hollow something big out of log you have to have some tools made from stones or metal.
  But as you still push forward the idea of society then this is based on what? Give me a hint what physical findings from history gives you a hint that there might have been something society like with dinosaurs.

What do you mean "time is irrelevant"? In archeology? ???

We actually have very few dinosaur fossils given the number that supposedly existed. As I have said, to expect evidence of tools over that period of time and with such a sketchy fossil record is ridiculous.
Time is irrelevant in this context. And to expect signs of civilization if there are signs of the persons who build civilizations isn't ridiculous. To have fossils and bones but not signs of tools or something other if they had civilization is ridiculous.
 I have no problem with their civilization or your fantasizing about it but right now I just want to know to what this "dinosaur civilization" opinion is based. You all just say that there is absolutely nothing but still claim that they may had civilization. And that opinion is based on... what? Elaborate a little.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1048 on: November 19, 2010, 08:42:19 AM »
Quite relevant to the thread. How do we know, based on your own reasoning, that prehistoric dinosaurs made tools? Should we not hold you to your own principles when you join a debate like you hold me when I join a debate. Please explain. Thanks.


So does this only apply when concluding the shape of the earth:

You guys keep bringing up abstract reasoning, models, and thought experiments, but they are not valid in this context. Here is the rule, and it is very simple:


Direct sensorial evidence or it didn't happen!

???

You seem to be arguing in favor of several things you do not have direct sensorial evidence for, such as a dino civilization, the sun not being where it appears to be, etc.


Ahem:


You guys keep bringing up abstract reasoning, models, and thought experiments, but they are not valid in this context.


I have always made the scope and application of that line of reasoning clear. Please do not derail every thread with discussions about it.


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Time is irrelevant in this context.


No it isn't, and that is a ridiculous statement to make.



And to expect signs of civilization if there are signs of the persons who build civilizations isn't ridiculous. To have fossils and bones but not signs of tools or something other if they had civilization is ridiculous.


So wait, all human/pre-human remains should have tools or signs of civilisation present around them? ???


I have no problem with their civilization or your fantasizing about it but right now I just want to know to what this "dinosaur civilization" opinion is based. You all just say that there is absolutely nothing but still claim that they may had civilization. And that opinion is based on... what? Elaborate a little.


The distribution of fossils. Please read James' work if you're going to comment on it.
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Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« Reply #1049 on: November 19, 2010, 08:45:02 AM »
It's your rule, not mine, I'm just trying to understand why you abide by it in some circumstances and not others.
You don't want to make an enemy of me. I'm very powerful.