continental drifting

Survival of the fittest. That's why the humans are the superior race. We dominate every other species. Maybe not in direct competition (man versus tiger, ...) but seen overall.

This is the most magnificent misinterpretation of Darwinism I have ever read.

Homo sapiens Vs. the other races would be a better example.

A brain's size says nothing about how it is structured and how it operates. It's great that our ratio may be the best, but it means jack shit. A smaller brain could be far more efficient and advanced, depending on the age of the species.

Studies show brain mass to body mass is a good indicator of intelligence. You might want to look into it before you make wild claims.

But sokarul doesn't believe in evolution! God made us so we humans are teh best!

Posting just to see yourself post. 

Then indulge me.

Do your own work. 

Yes.

Still no

Then indulge me.

Do your own work.

You just can't read. That one doesn't say I claimed that you said they have no brain functions. That one only describes that decision making was the only one brain function, as mentioned by your article, which cold blooded animals don't have. Thus, I said it failed on you because it only mentioned one brain function they do not have. Now, please find another one.

I told you my claim; you just said you didn't make the claim.  You never backed it up.  This is why you suck at debating. 
The article didn't talk about all the effects and it didn't fail me. 

So in the meantime there's a reprieve of idiocy? Party at religion and philosophy, it's where all the pot is!

If I had a dollar for every time someone coward out when I showed them to be wrong I would be rich. 

Sokarul's in his own little world again. 

I hope stupidity has no relationship with any form of power, because if so, sokarul may have the power to destroy us all.

sokarul, serious question: where are you from?

He thinks the people that finally decide not to waste anymore time on a schizophrenic person like him are "cowards". Or, you know, he thinks the people that left the thread he is in are "owned". 

If I had a dollar for every time someone coward out when I showed them to be wrong I would be rich. 

I.am.so.owned.

After some preliminary research, I find it interesting that no one has commented on the fact that there where actually more dinosaurs that could swim than those that walked on land.  If we follow the train of thought that evolution has brought upon us; the sea faring dinosaurs simply climbed out onto the land and proceeded to evolve into what we can see (which is not much) from fossilized remains. It is much more likely they simply evolved on multiple continents instead of having them evolve on one continent and then somehow splitting it up.

Also, there are many types of flying dinosaurs, which could have easily carried smaller dinosaurs across the oceans (or just dinosaur eggs)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus

The largest remains indicate an individual with a wingspan as large as 12 m (40 ft) ... and azhdarchids larger than Quetzalcoatlus with wingspans 12 meters or more (such as Hatzegopteryx) have been discovered.

One final note, some are claiming that dinosaurs could not have possibly been so smart and leave no evidence.  The ancient Egyptians perfected the ability to mummify bodies, yet even with all our so called science and technology today we can not come close to replicating what they accomplished.

The issue is that our knowledge of evolution indicates that it is highly unlikely that two identical species would evolve separately on different continents, never mind several different species. Dogplatter's theory makes more sense.

Such a thing has happened within knowledge.Places like Canada have a lot in common with North Europe in the way of danger, so several animals evolved in remarkably similar patterns, almost identically.

I'd just like to offer thanks to NEEMAN, Ski, Divito, Mrs Peach, Roundy, et al. for "holding the fort" in my absence. Sorry I wasn't able to participate in this brilliant discussion over the last few days. I'm back in town now, with regular access to a computer, so I'll be back in the fray with all of you again in no time!

The issue is that our knowledge of evolution indicates that it is highly unlikely that two identical species would evolve separately on different continents, never mind several different species. Dogplatter's theory makes more sense.

We actually have a modern example of this - the Galapagos Islands. Over a relatively short amount of time, areas of isolation in which species do not colonise or migrate exhibit radically different patterns of evolution. Fossil evidence supports the maritime dinosaur hypothesis.

I said they have less brain function and then backed it up.

Listen, let's get one thing straight right now. There is NO WAY that a skull cavity alone can give any realistic indication of the intelligence of a particular species of animal. The correlation between size and intelligence is rough at very best, and has much more to do with particulars of homeostasis, locomotion and other factors unrelated to intelligence. The prefrontal cortex is the area of the brain which most contributes towards complex cognition, and it's impossible to measure even the physical size (let alone the actual mental capacity, which probably has little or no relation to the aforementioned) of a dinosaur's prefrontal cortex unless you can present a medical expert with a cryogenically frozen dinosaur brain. Good luck with that one.

Back to you sucking at debating.

NO SHIT I MADE A CLAIM AND NO SHIT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T AND THEN YOU NEVER BACKED IT UP.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING?

Ok guys, enough of this nasty-talk. I haven't given out, as General Douchebag so succinctly put it, any "b7's" or indeed bAnythings in this thread yet, but if you keep slagging eachother off like this in what's supposed to be a serious discussion forum then I might be forced to take some kind of action. Keep it civil here - take your frustration to Angry Ranting.

I'll tell you this: the more and more I thought about Dogplatters theory (which I'll confess, sounded quite absurd at first), the more and more I realised how much sense it made. Dinosaurs lumbering around in a blind rage is essentially a Hollywood invention; in truth we have no idea hw they behaved, and only an extremely limited fossil record to base our knowledge on. Many animals display communication, teamwork and tool-building; there is every reason to think that dinosaurs might have as well.

That fossil evidence supports his theory means that I cannot see how one can dismiss his theory; it seems at the very least highly probable, and certainly possible.

What a funny discussion. Absurd but I'll bite.

Dinosaurs lumbering around in a blind rage

pffff!

Many animals display communication, teamwork and tool-building; there is every reason to think that dinosaurs might have as well.

Dinosaur communication and teamwork is one thing. I'll grant you tool-building. But it's quite a leap to animal domestication.

Edit - ok, so I didn't see the 10 pages beyond what I read... Who knew such a topic could spawn such interest *shrug*

Edit - ok, so I didn't see the 10 pages beyond what I read... Who knew such a topic could spawn such interest *shrug*

Glad you had the decency to edit out whatever redunancies you posted. Oh, and by the way, it's not 10 pages. It's 27 pages.

Dinosaur communication and teamwork is one thing. I'll grant you tool-building. But it's quite a leap to animal domestication.

This is a pretty weak argument to begin with, since all it relies on is your own arbitrary categorization of behaviours ("one thing"; "grantable"; and "quite a leap"), but ignoring that, here's evidence of animal domestication amongst even some of the simplest organisms alive today:

We actually have a modern example of this - the Galapagos Islands. Over a relatively short amount of time, areas of isolation in which species do not colonise or migrate exhibit radically different patterns of evolution. Fossil evidence supports the maritime dinosaur hypothesis.

It is well known that evolution tends to be different on island. 

Listen, let's get one thing straight right now. There is NO WAY that a skull cavity alone can give any realistic indication of the intelligence of a particular species of animal. The correlation between size and intelligence is rough at very best, and has much more to do with particulars of homeostasis, locomotion and other factors unrelated to intelligence. The prefrontal cortex is the area of the brain which most contributes towards complex cognition, and it's impossible to measure even the physical size (let alone the actual mental capacity, which probably has little or no relation to the aforementioned) of a dinosaur's prefrontal cortex unless you can present a medical expert with a cryogenically frozen dinosaur brain. Good luck with that one.

Listen, let's get one thing straight right now.  You made your theory up from nothing other than your in ability to understand plate tectonics.  Now that said, would you kindly look up brain mass to body mass ratio.  After that check out the link I posted.  And then maybe I will listen to something you post.     

Ok guys, enough of this nasty-talk. I haven't given out, as General Douchebag so succinctly put it, any "b7's" or indeed bAnythings in this thread yet, but if you keep slagging eachother off like this in what's supposed to be a serious discussion forum then I might be forced to take some kind of action. Keep it civil here - take your frustration to Angry Ranting.

Funny you quote me. 

He thinks the people that finally decide not to waste anymore time on a schizophrenic person like him are "cowards". Or, you know, he thinks the people that left the thread he is in are "owned". 

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If I had a dollar for every time someone coward out when I showed them to be wrong I would be rich. 

I.am.so.owned.

You were. 

It is well known that evolution tends to be different on island.

Pardon? Is this some obscure Lost reference?

Funny you quote me.

He was threatening to ban you, because it's you doing it. That isn't funny, it's quite clear.

You were. 

If you had a dollar for every time someone coward out when you showed them to be wrong, as you so- eloquently put it, I'd advise against quitting your dayjob, unless you fancy living in a cardboard box. Partially due to the grammatical errors meaning it meant nothing anyway, cowardice isn't the problem, it's boredom.

Pardon? Is this some obscure Lost reference?

  Tends to be different then on large land mass and no, its well know.  That's why I said its well known. 

He was threatening to ban you, because it's you doing it. That isn't funny, it's quite clear.

I was called a dumbass and its my fault?  Sounds like fe logic to me. 

If you had a dollar for every time someone coward out when you showed them to be wrong, as you so- eloquently put it, I'd advise against quitting your dayjob, unless you fancy living in a cardboard box. Partially due to the grammatical errors meaning it meant nothing anyway, cowardice isn't the problem, it's boredom.

Just keep thinking that. 

How so?

The theory of you being a dumbass is a scientific theory with 4019 pieces of evidence at the time of this post and counting.

I will.

It is well known that evolution tends to be different on island. 

It certainly is.

Listen, let's get one thing straight right now.  You made your theory up from nothing other than your in ability to understand plate tectonics.  Now that said, would you kindly look up brain mass to body mass ratio.  After that check out the link I posted.  And then maybe I will listen to something you post.     

Sokarul, perhaps, in light of what you've posted, you really might need to read more and post less. My very latest post was one addressing the potential correlation of "brain size vs. cognitive capacity", and I think it'd be great if you actually read it before responding with fingers-in-ears. You'll see, if you review the material which has already been posted, that I have a perfectly reasonable understanding of the correlation between the size of an animal's brain and the requirements of its body, and a perfectly reasonable understanding of plate tectonics (check out the original "antarctica" thread for my take on that).

How so?

Look it up. 

The theory of you being a dumbass is a scientific theory with 4019 pieces of evidence at the time of this post and counting.

Yeah ok.  You are right, plate tectonics isn't real and dinosaurs were ranchers. 

Quote from: sokarul on August 11, 2008, 05:02:49 PM

It is well known that evolution tends to be different on island. 

It certainly is.

Quote from: sokarul on August 11, 2008, 05:02:49 PM

Listen, let's get one thing straight right now.  You made your theory up from nothing other than your in ability to understand plate tectonics.  Now that said, would you kindly look up brain mass to body mass ratio.  After that check out the link I posted.  And then maybe I will listen to something you post.     

Sokarul, perhaps, in light of what you've posted, you really might need to read more and post less. My very latest post was one addressing the potential correlation of "brain size vs. cognitive capacity", and I think it'd be great if you actually read it before responding with fingers-in-ears. You'll see, if you review the material which has already been posted, that I have a perfectly reasonable understanding of the correlation between the size of an animal's brain and the requirements of its body, and a perfectly reasonable understanding of plate tectonics (check out the original "antarctica" thread for my take on that).

BRAIN SIZE IS DIFFERENT THAN BRAIN MASS TO BODY MASS RATIO. 
Your link was broken.  I didn't feel like fixing it. 

Look it up. 

No go on, I'd like to see some hard evidence for this as much as the next Flat Earther.

Yeah ok.  You are right, plate tectonics isn't real and dinosaurs were ranchers.

Brilliant! Glad you're finally on our side. 

Damn. That's exactly what I was going to say, word for word.

No go on, I'd like to see some hard evidence for this as much as the next Flat Earther.

You guys don't look anything up. 

Brilliant! Glad you're finally on our side. 

If you believe that, I got some dinosaur boats that I will sell to you. 

BRAIN SIZE IS DIFFERENT THAN BRAIN MASS TO BODY MASS RATIO. 

And I understand both, so feel free to enlighten me when you have evidence that either phenomenon suggests anything other than dinosaurs which were sentient and colonised the various continents of the world. You're coming up against hard fossil evidence here, so it had better be pretty convincing.

Quote from: Dogplatter on August 11, 2008, 05:26:15 PM

No go on, I'd like to see some hard evidence for this as much as the next Flat Earther.

You guys don't look anything up. 

Quote

Brilliant! Glad you're finally on our side. 

If you believe that, I got some dinosaur boats that I will sell to you. 

All of our info is right here, we don't have to. It's you that has so much material to help, and it's your claim, so you do it.

Second, read our posts. We did say that these would have long disintegrated.

ten seconds of searching

Ever since Charles Darwin formulated his hypothesis on how the finches of the Galapagos Islands evolved into 13 species, islands have been a prime target for the study of evolution. By their very nature, islands are isolated and are essentially a living laboratory of evolution.

Quote from: sokarul on August 11, 2008, 05:25:32 PM

BRAIN SIZE IS DIFFERENT THAN BRAIN MASS TO BODY MASS RATIO. 

And I understand both, so feel free to enlighten me when you have evidence that either phenomenon suggests anything other than dinosaurs which were sentient and colonised the various continents of the world. You're coming up against hard fossil evidence here, so it had better be pretty convincing.

Do you have fish by chance or know someone that does?  Its quite easy to tell when the heater isn't working because the fish don't really move. 
Nothing you have posted indicates dinosaurs were "sentient".  No fossil evidence adds to your claim.  You haven't even disproved plate tectonics yet.     

No, sorry. The fish thing is in no way relevant. All it says is that fish are cold blooded as, it appears, were most, if not all, dinosaurs were. Does this prevent sentience?

No, sorry. The fish thing is in no way relevant. All it says is that fish are cold blooded as, it appears, were most, if not all, dinosaurs were. Does this prevent sentience?

It does a great deal too.  Along with some others.  Which I posted. 

No fossil evidence adds to your claim either. And how does being warm or cold blooded affect sentience?