Midnight sun

Hello and thank tou for letting me in to the forum.
I have been researching flat earth lately but there is some things I have not found a good explanation to.

I used to be a ships electrician on a cruise ship. We did trips to the Antarctic coast.

The question is. Sometimes the cruises would take us below the southern arctic circle and we wwas able to see the sun for 24 hrs. The same where I live in Norway we have midnight sun in the northern summer. How is this possible. How does midnight sun occur?

Thank you in advance for all your help

The flat earth map was invented in XIX century when few people had been to Antarctica. This is what Rowbotham hat to say about the topic:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za49.htm

FE has no real answer for midnight sun in Antarctica, so the just deny it happens or the come up with magical explanations involving  refraction or the dome acting as a mirror. Most of them will just avoid answering the question though.

Some FE have invented alternative FE maps where Antarctica is a continent.

Danags phew "map" solves that problem with a sout pole map.

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

Danags phew "map" solves that problem with a sout pole map.

Every flat earth map solves "one" flat earth problem.

There is no flat earth map which is a general solution for all FETs problems.

I meant to quote mark "solve", not map.
Haha

I meant to quote mark "solve", not map.
Haha

Your effort to put quote mark as you intended was failed.
This is just a sign that phew is right.

Quote from: Themightykabool on August 20, 2019, 12:24:46 AM

Danags phew "map" solves that problem with a sout pole map.

Every flat earth map solves "one" flat earth problem.

There is no flat earth map which is a general solution for all FETs problems.

Phew solves all FET as well as RET problems nicely. The more you research the clearer phew perspective you got.

"Everything will be Phew in its time"

The flat earth map was invented in XIX century when few people had been to Antarctica. This is what Rowbotham hat to say about the topic:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za49.htm

FE has no real answer for midnight sun in Antarctica, so the just deny it happens or the come up with magical explanations involving  refraction or the dome acting as a mirror. Most of them will just avoid answering the question though.

Some FE have invented alternative FE maps where Antarctica is a continent.

Northern hemiplane is so huge. Travel research will lead anyone into phew. 

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

If the northern sun is a reflection of a southern sun..... would you think that maybe people located inbetween woukd see both?
Maybe?

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

If the northern sun is a reflection of a southern sun..... would you think that maybe people located inbetween woukd see both?
Maybe?

Clouds are solid bodies. They can block the sunray.
The sunray can reach the arctic circle -- when being situated on the south -- because the sun's altitude is being quite high so that its ray can reflect through the north dome.

The distant objects cannot be seen because of Universal DeAcceleration (former UA is updated).

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

You claim there are no flights over the north pole. Air India just started a flight from Delhi to San Francisco flying over the north pole:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-becomes-first-indian-airline-to-fly-over-north-pole/taking-santas-short-cut/slideshow/70701742.cms

This flight doesn't fit your phew thing, so you "skip" it. Is that it?

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

"So far no flight cross the northern rim" except for all the flights over the North Pole !


Special Polar Flight - Flying over North Pole


Air India first flight over North Pole from Delhi to San Francisco


Awesome Arctic Flight to the Northpole 2016


POLAR ROUTE Emirates Dubai-LAX | Airbus A380-800 (A6-EOL) *60FPS*


Solo Flight over the North Pole by Harry Anderson

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 03:19:46 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

You claim there are no flights over the north pole. Air India just started a flight from Delhi to San Francisco flying over the north pole:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-becomes-first-indian-airline-to-fly-over-north-pole/taking-santas-short-cut/slideshow/70701742.cms

This flight doesn't fit your phew thing, so you "skip" it. Is that it?

We must refer to previous times. The globe theory has been found for 5 millenia. Still, flights don't follow what globe suggests. From northernmost Scandinavia to Alaska, flights go westwards, even south west, not northwards.

If north pole exists, why most commercial flights still do usual routes?
Because it works and more efficient than Air India's "north pole flights".

Air India must never cross 0° N that is regarded as the "north pole".
For phew perspective, they only fly along some degrees near the north rim.
It's a "flight of drama", I guess.

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 03:19:46 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

"So far no flight cross the northern rim" except for all the flights over the North Pole !


Special Polar Flight - Flying over North Pole


Air India first flight over North Pole from Delhi to San Francisco


Awesome Arctic Flight to the Northpole 2016


POLAR ROUTE Emirates Dubai-LAX | Airbus A380-800 (A6-EOL) *60FPS*


Solo Flight over the North Pole by Harry Anderson

If there were north pole, the airplane shouldn't go curved without touching 0° N.
North pole existed if the airplane go straight, which means it crossed the north pole.
No flight has crossed the "north pole".

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 03:59:50 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 03:19:46 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

You claim there are no flights over the north pole. Air India just started a flight from Delhi to San Francisco flying over the north pole:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-becomes-first-indian-airline-to-fly-over-north-pole/taking-santas-short-cut/slideshow/70701742.cms

This flight doesn't fit your phew thing, so you "skip" it. Is that it?

We must refer to previous times. The globe theory has been found for 5 millenia. Still, flights don't follow what globe suggests. From northernmost Scandinavia to Alaska, flights go westwards, even south west, not northwards.

If north pole exists, why most commercial flights still do usual routes?
Because it works and more efficient than Air India's "north pole flights".

Air India must never cross 0° N that is regarded as the "north pole".
For phew perspective, they only fly along some degrees near the north rim.
It's a "flight of drama", I guess.

What a pile of nonsense, why must we refer to previous times?

The North Pole has been explored and is very well known. Several airlines are currently flying over the arctic, yet you claim the North Pole doesn't exist. What evidence do you have for such claim? 

You have probably never been north of the equator, what do you know about the north pole? oh the ignorance.

Here are some quotes from the Air India flight

"As we crossed over the North Pole and went down the other side of the planet, the navigation display swung 180 degree to go from North to point South. It was quite a sight," he said.

The cross-polar route was official opened to commercial flights in February 2001 by the US aviation regulator, marking an important milestone in air travel between North America and Asia.

Called the "Santa’s short-cut" back then, among the challenges in operating the polar route today are: limited choice for diversion alternate airports, solar radiation, fuel freezing, passenger and aircraft retrieval in case of diversion. Finnair was the first airline to fly the polar route, said an AI official.

Among the airlines that fly the polar route, which are four routes north of 78 degree latitude, are Emirates, United, Air Canada, Aerochina etc, he added.

OK. Thank tou for the debate regarding the existence of the north pole. I have actually been to the ise edge too when working on a research vessel.
However I still feel like I got little explanation regarding the midnight sun in the north and south.
However for those who has never experienced the shift of seasons in the north or south. It's not a sudden thing. The light fades more day by day almost unnoticeable until one day you realize the nights are light again

OK. Thank tou for the debate regarding the existence of the north pole. I have actually been to the ise edge too when working on a research vessel.
However I still feel like I got little explanation regarding the midnight sun in the north and south.
However for those who has never experienced the shift of seasons in the north or south. It's not a sudden thing. The light fades more day by day almost unnoticeable until one day you realize the nights are light again

I searched here and found a few threads on the subject which revealed nothing. On the other site, in their wiki they have this:

"Path of the sun, the moon, and the stars

The Moon and Sun travel along the Aetheric Whirlpool. The Sun is relatively near a portion of the whirlpool comparable to an eyewall, which causes Sunset and Sunrise. It moves from side to side on this wall, which is the reason for the seasons. The stars are somewhere near the top of the whirlpool.

Sunset/sunrise and the Midnight Sun

The sunrise/set and midnight sun are caused by a several eyewalls throughout the Whirlpool, which distort light to the point that it does not reach the earth."

Which again, reveals nothing.

Phew solves zero problems, it just rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.

So I think it's safe to assume that like many phenomena, to FE, the explanation is unknown.

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 07:51:26 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 03:59:50 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 03:19:46 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

You claim there are no flights over the north pole. Air India just started a flight from Delhi to San Francisco flying over the north pole:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-becomes-first-indian-airline-to-fly-over-north-pole/taking-santas-short-cut/slideshow/70701742.cms

This flight doesn't fit your phew thing, so you "skip" it. Is that it?

We must refer to previous times. The globe theory has been found for 5 millenia. Still, flights don't follow what globe suggests. From northernmost Scandinavia to Alaska, flights go westwards, even south west, not northwards.

If north pole exists, why most commercial flights still do usual routes?
Because it works and more efficient than Air India's "north pole flights".

Air India must never cross 0° N that is regarded as the "north pole".
For phew perspective, they only fly along some degrees near the north rim.
It's a "flight of drama", I guess.

What a pile of nonsense, why must we refer to previous times?

The North Pole has been explored and is very well known. Several airlines are currently flying over the arctic, yet you claim the North Pole doesn't exist. What evidence do you have for such claim? 

You have probably never been north of the equator, what do you know about the north pole? oh the ignorance.

Here are some quotes from the Air India flight

Quote

"As we crossed over the North Pole and went down the other side of the planet, the navigation display swung 180 degree to go from North to point South. It was quite a sight," he said.

Quote

The cross-polar route was official opened to commercial flights in February 2001 by the US aviation regulator, marking an important milestone in air travel between North America and Asia.

Called the "Santa’s short-cut" back then, among the challenges in operating the polar route today are: limited choice for diversion alternate airports, solar radiation, fuel freezing, passenger and aircraft retrieval in case of diversion. Finnair was the first airline to fly the polar route, said an AI official.

Among the airlines that fly the polar route, which are four routes north of 78 degree latitude, are Emirates, United, Air Canada, Aerochina etc, he added.

Let's go to the real thing:



This route map follows Phew Map logics.
From Scandinavia to America, you go to South West.

No other single map gives such description.

Before speaking route from India to America, why not going to a clearer thing: route map between Arctic Circle countries with around 12 hours of time zones difference AKA "half globe".

Why bother going with much much more distance routes if short cut routes had been "available" by globe perspective.

Because globe doesn't exist.

I have actually been to the ise edge too when working on a research vessel.

What is "ise edge"? And what did you find there?

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 08:18:18 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 07:51:26 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 03:59:50 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 03:19:46 AM

Quote from: kopfverderber on August 20, 2019, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: Danang on August 20, 2019, 02:33:13 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 12:36:47 AM

Here's a cool vid of what it looks like (Time lapse starts at about :50):

On southern circle, the sun is real.
On northern circle, the sun is just a reflection.

So far no flight cross the northern rim. No wonder, north pole doesn't exist.

And what is Air India AI-173?

Why not starting at previous times?

The existing routes work fine since the beginning of flight history. Because it's logical.

I skip the deviations. It's only "news".

You claim there are no flights over the north pole. Air India just started a flight from Delhi to San Francisco flying over the north pole:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-becomes-first-indian-airline-to-fly-over-north-pole/taking-santas-short-cut/slideshow/70701742.cms

This flight doesn't fit your phew thing, so you "skip" it. Is that it?

We must refer to previous times. The globe theory has been found for 5 millenia. Still, flights don't follow what globe suggests. From northernmost Scandinavia to Alaska, flights go westwards, even south west, not northwards.

If north pole exists, why most commercial flights still do usual routes?
Because it works and more efficient than Air India's "north pole flights".

Air India must never cross 0° N that is regarded as the "north pole".
For phew perspective, they only fly along some degrees near the north rim.
It's a "flight of drama", I guess.

What a pile of nonsense, why must we refer to previous times?

The North Pole has been explored and is very well known. Several airlines are currently flying over the arctic, yet you claim the North Pole doesn't exist. What evidence do you have for such claim? 

You have probably never been north of the equator, what do you know about the north pole? oh the ignorance.

Here are some quotes from the Air India flight

Quote

"As we crossed over the North Pole and went down the other side of the planet, the navigation display swung 180 degree to go from North to point South. It was quite a sight," he said.

Quote

The cross-polar route was official opened to commercial flights in February 2001 by the US aviation regulator, marking an important milestone in air travel between North America and Asia.

Called the "Santa’s short-cut" back then, among the challenges in operating the polar route today are: limited choice for diversion alternate airports, solar radiation, fuel freezing, passenger and aircraft retrieval in case of diversion. Finnair was the first airline to fly the polar route, said an AI official.

Among the airlines that fly the polar route, which are four routes north of 78 degree latitude, are Emirates, United, Air Canada, Aerochina etc, he added.

Let's go to the real thing:



This route map follows Phew Map logics.
From Scandinavia to America, you go to South West.

No other single map gives such description.

Before speaking route from India to America, why not going to a clearer thing: route map between Arctic Circle countries with around 12 hours of time zones difference AKA "half globe".

Why bother going with much much more distance routes if short cut routes had been "available" by globe perspective.

Because globe doesn't exist.

I don't see your point. Here's a United International route map.



Here's a southern hemisphere based airline, Qantas route map:

Phew solves zero problems, it just rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.

By sight, globe model seems logical. But in summer midnight sun moment, no flight dares to go north to reach the existing solar noon places at that time, for instance: Mexico.

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 02:11:36 PM

Phew solves zero problems, it just rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.

By sight, globe model seems logical. But in summer midnight sun moment, no flight dares to go north to reach the existing solar noon places at that time, for instance: Mexico.

Why and what evidence do you have to support such a claim?

Quote from: oddlyng on August 20, 2019, 01:49:01 PM

I have actually been to the ise edge too when working on a research vessel.

What is "ise edge"? And what did you find there?

Sorry. Ε bit of autocorrect there. I just meant to say that I have been to the north so far that we had to stop due to the notdh pole ice. This was while I worked on a Norwegian research vessel. I have also been in Antarctica while I was working on a cruiseship as I said when I started the post.

Well. To the north there was sea ice, pretty much floating in the water.
In the south we was on several of the islands in the Antarctic peninsula and even got to go to the mainland a couple of times. Beautiful places

Do you know why polar bears don't eat penguins?

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 02:11:36 PM

Phew solves zero problems, it just rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.

By sight, globe model seems logical. But in summer midnight sun moment, no flight dares to go north to reach the existing solar noon places at that time, for instance: Mexico.

What moment do you mean? Where I live the midnight sun occurs every day in summer for a month. And we have constant light.

Quote from: Stash on August 20, 2019, 02:11:36 PM

Phew solves zero problems, it just rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.

By sight, globe model seems logical. But in summer midnight sun moment, no flight dares to go north to reach the existing solar noon places at that time, for instance: Mexico.

Mexico?
Translation error?
Hahah what are you on!