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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy
« on: August 07, 2016, 04:04:38 PM »
Many people believe in an elite that controls the governments of the world, as well as many prominent organizations, this is nothing new or special. FET simply allows us to realize who and what they are, and why they do it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: E=mc^2 And other Einstein things.
« on: August 07, 2016, 04:02:42 PM »
I have little doubt that the greens would have some form of free energy that they simply do not want us to have.

So you reject conventional science in lieu of "greens"? What are "greens"? My mother always told me to eat my greens.

The greens are the people from outside the ice wall, who would have evolved to have green skin rather than white or brown, due to the advantage chlorophyll provides. It is well documented that there is an elite that governs much of the world, and many reports say they appear reptilian: that is, green.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 02:03:11 PM »
You pointed to repeatable experiments, one of which you declined to talk about, and one of which you focused on claiming a 100% success rate which is unheard of for any scientific experiment. There are always things passed off as equipment errors or human mistake.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:51:38 PM »
Why are experiments repeated, then?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:42:07 PM »
Nothing in science works all the time. That's the guiding principle behind experimental repetition.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:36:39 PM »
One at a time - we are talking about the photoelectric effect.

NO LIGHT IS NEEDED TO VIEW THE RESULTS OF THIS. 

The issue is you have absolutlely no idea what it is - and you have no inclination to look for it.

you can lead a horse to water...........

Electrons emitted from a material when light shines on it, I know what the photoelectric effect is, it requires light to behave predictably, which it does not.

Yes it does - the results can be reproduced exactly 100% of the time.  This is fact.

Actually it just means the times it doesn't occur are brushed off as experimental error.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:31:23 PM »
One at a time - we are talking about the photoelectric effect.

NO LIGHT IS NEEDED TO VIEW THE RESULTS OF THIS. 

The issue is you have absolutlely no idea what it is - and you have no inclination to look for it.

you can lead a horse to water...........

Electrons emitted from a material when light shines on it, I know what the photoelectric effect is, it requires light to behave predictably, which it does not.

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Flat Earth General / Re: E=mc^2 And other Einstein things.
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:17:03 PM »
Thanks for the links,  but  I still don't see any support from mainstream publications,   you are digging up stuff that I would class as pseudo science. 

gsjournal is an interesting site with lots of unconventional papers,  but  if there was any substance to your claims about nuclear energy,  there would be more support from reputable sources.    Bendini is a free energy nutter,  not a source I would automatically trust without some corroborating sources.

I once did some contract work on free energy devices,  it was good fun,  but despite herculean engineering efforts,  nothing ever came up to the claims of the inventors.
I have no hesitation is saying John Bedini is a fraud.  He makes his money selling plans to things that don't work. 

I'm familiar with Maxwells equations,  but only the normal 4,   I was aware of the extra 4 equations,  but I'm not clear on the relevance in this context

Have you ever published any of your work in the field of nuclear energy?   Or if you haven't, can you point me to a paper relating to "dextrorotatory subquark strings"?

Often pseudoscience is the only way freethinkers are allowed to publicise their material. Don't judge by a word.
There is censorship in scientific circles. Only topics that match their agenda are allowed. The greens from beyond the ice wall don't permit anyone to reveal their secrets, so it is only in places that have the unthreatening moniker of pseudoscience that the truth can be discussed.
You should be more concerned about the contents of the papers, not their origin.
I have little doubt that the greens would have some form of free energy that they simply do not want us to have.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:14:46 PM »
you do not rely on light to receive the results of the photoelectric effect.

you are continuing to reinforce my opinion

You do, you rely on light to see the results of every conceivable experiment.

no - you do not.  You use an ammeter.  If you are really that bent on this - you can connect the ammeter to a computer that turns text into sound via a speaker, so you don't even have to worry about light from the computer screen.

How can you see without light? Even instruments rely on it.
And, if you follow the result of the double slit experiment, light behaves differently whether there are devices meant to observe present, which is yet another key point.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:08:04 PM »
you do not rely on light to receive the results of the photoelectric effect.

you are continuing to reinforce my opinion

You do, you rely on light to see the results of every conceivable experiment.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:04:18 PM »
We can only know what we deduce about light. All of our observations rely on light: how can you run a test on something which cannot be confined to a test space? Studying light must remain strictly theoretical. Logic alone suffices.
This is how we can see that light requires a quantum field to exist in.


Yes - we can run tests on light.

Look at the photoelectric effect, and youngs slits experiments.  These can be repeated at a low budget by anybody. I do them at work several times a year.

How do you trust the results when you're testing the properties of what you need to observe the results?

You are not testing the properties of what you need to observe the results with the photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect can be measured with a simple ammeter if you want.

Youngs slits can be carried out with lasers, and the difference in defraction pattern as you change frequency can be predicted accurately, before you even make the change.

Like I often say - people believe nonsense because they have a very poor understanding of physics.  You are proving this to me right here and now.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
If you are trying to determine the properties of light, you need to begin by assuming that it's reliable. I'm not saying those experiments are false, but you need to begin with the assumption that the light you rely on to receive the results of those experiments works in the simplest way you could hope, and is not being misleading in any fashion.
I'm not saying this wouldn't be the case, but it needs to be acknowledged. You have to assume without testing some properties of light, before you can test for anything, including other properties of light.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 12:56:31 PM »
We can only know what we deduce about light. All of our observations rely on light: how can you run a test on something which cannot be confined to a test space? Studying light must remain strictly theoretical. Logic alone suffices.
This is how we can see that light requires a quantum field to exist in.

Yes - we can run tests on light.

Look at the photoelectric effect, and youngs slits experiments.  These can be repeated at a low budget by anybody. I do them at work several times a year.

How do you trust the results when you're testing the properties of what you need to observe the results?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Trust the Light?
« on: August 07, 2016, 12:47:45 PM »
We can only know what we deduce about light. All of our observations rely on light: how can you run a test on something which cannot be confined to a test space? Studying light must remain strictly theoretical. Logic alone suffices.
This is how we can see that light requires a quantum field to exist in.

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Your measurements of the actual Earth are accurate, but those surveyed results have been altered. All this means is that your maps are incomplete. There are lands and spaces not accounted for meaning only the elite and those from beyond the ice wall have access to the locations, and the minerals and oil and precious substances therein.

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Why does anyone lie? they have something to gain.

The people from outside the known Earth are the sponsors and benefactors to most governments, and they own all the land not covered on maps. The southern hemisphere is larger on a flat earth, yet the maps don't allow for this, so what of all this missing land? there are mineral rich plains, spoken of in legend like El Dorado, and all that precious metal and gems and oils are mined and used, giving a great advantage and great gains. And on this unknown land, there is no need to worry about human rights, and the natives could be used as slaves.
So long as no one thinks to question, so long as no one knows, there are huge tracts of land to be used and abused, and no need to worry how the working conditions might seem.

So there's an unknown Earth..... And.... You know about it?????

The flat earth map is wrong! There's no "missing land"!!

I don't know much about it, but it is easy to tell that it must exist, because the given map does not work. There are distances that must be accounted for.

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Why does anyone lie? they have something to gain.

The people from outside the known Earth are the sponsors and benefactors to most governments, and they own all the land not covered on maps. The southern hemisphere is larger on a flat earth, yet the maps don't allow for this, so what of all this missing land? there are mineral rich plains, spoken of in legend like El Dorado, and all that precious metal and gems and oils are mined and used, giving a great advantage and great gains. And on this unknown land, there is no need to worry about human rights, and the natives could be used as slaves.
So long as no one thinks to question, so long as no one knows, there are huge tracts of land to be used and abused, and no need to worry how the working conditions might seem.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What Would Happen?
« on: July 31, 2016, 04:10:48 PM »
You would have to go to space without burning up.

If I went to space and brought back a photo of a disc, what would happen? How does this speculation help?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« on: July 31, 2016, 04:09:27 PM »
If you look at an object from one direction, it faces one way. If you look at an object from another direction, it faces the other. Whether the moon is flat or round wouldn't make any difference to your thought experiment, because in the round case all we would see is what may as well be a flat circle. The two observed surfaces would be identical.

The moon is spherical, by the way.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:30:12 PM »
Heat is caused by the vibration of molecules: that is, velocity. It is a velocity in multiple directions, as objects with heat do not simply crawl away in a certain direction, so there must be an acceleration acting constantly on any object.
That is every molecule of an object is accelerating at any given moment. The house you're in, and its tremendous mass, are accelerating at every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

Where does the force and so energy required for this come from?


From the sun.

That isn't enough. Don't forget we still have heat at night. You would need a truly incredible amount of energy for the molecules to keep moving on and on, and we simply do not observe that much. If it were, solar panels would be far more effective than they are.

Why? Can you calculate that for me?
Calculate it yourself it's immediately obvious we don't receive the incredible energy amounts you're proposing simply by standing in the Sun. The orders of magnitude are completely wrong. For one, we ought to be cooling exponentially during night time. Do you observe that?

I'm not proposing incredible amounts of energy, you are. Why? Why ought we to be cooling exponentially during night time?

You are saying the energy needed for every molecule in your house, for example, to accelerate every single second is provided by a regular sunny day.
At night there is no longer sunlight, it must cool, and cooling is exponential.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:17:52 PM »
Heat is caused by the vibration of molecules: that is, velocity. It is a velocity in multiple directions, as objects with heat do not simply crawl away in a certain direction, so there must be an acceleration acting constantly on any object.
That is every molecule of an object is accelerating at any given moment. The house you're in, and its tremendous mass, are accelerating at every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

Where does the force and so energy required for this come from?


From the sun.

That isn't enough. Don't forget we still have heat at night. You would need a truly incredible amount of energy for the molecules to keep moving on and on, and we simply do not observe that much. If it were, solar panels would be far more effective than they are.

Why? Can you calculate that for me?
Calculate it yourself it's immediately obvious we don't receive the incredible energy amounts you're proposing simply by standing in the Sun. The orders of magnitude are completely wrong. For one, we ought to be cooling exponentially during night time. Do you observe that?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Sky changes when we gain altitude. Why?
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:11:20 PM »
At altitude, it is also much colder. The Sun's light and heat do not reach us so easily there, as they are primarily directed at the Earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rare Events
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:08:28 PM »

Like I said, the Bedford Level Experiment is only one example. Given that there is no curvature (a more profound result than "it looks flat,") the Earth cannot be round.


God almighty,  you are thick....  forget the Bedford Level experiment,  there are hundreds of thousands of geodetic surveys measuring the curvature of the earth. 

Go find a local surveyor and ask for an example of a geodetic survey.   NONE,  ( got that)  NONE of the hundreds of thousands of geodetic surveys ever done has ever shown a flat earth.

Why is that?

PS.  It occurs to me that you might not know what a geodetic survey is,  so here for your enlightenment and enjoyment is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy

Why is it the experiments performed by individuals beyond influence detect flatness, and the surveys performed by large, sponsored organizations detect curvature?
Ask a local, unsponsored, surveyor.   And publish details of recent flat experiments.

Please provide one, and read the link. The time such an experiment is performed when you may easily replicate it.
You constantly seek to add unsubstantial comments, why? Everyone else seems perfectly happy to take the time to write down their view, and why they think it, rather than just a curt list of demands. How do you plan to understand what you're rejecting if you don't speak?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:06:47 PM »
What varies is their direction, not their velocity. Therefore, no acceleration is needed. Or I could be terribly wrong. I'm an Arts guy, what do I know?

Actually that's wrong,  try thinking of it as vibration,   imagine perfectly elastic collisions,  two molecules collide,  the translational energy is briefly stored in the electric field,  then released as they bounce apart,   there is a slight loss of energy in the form of radiation,  this is called black body radiation.   ( look up the planck equation for details ).   To understand  black body radiation you need to appreciate that the interactions are quantized,  the states involved are rotational,  translational, as well as vibrational,  and they are all quantized.  Refer to all those famous debates around the early 1900's

The only time matter is NOT radiating is when it's at absolute zero.   

If you are having trouble with all that,  then it's time to do a basic physics course.

Where does this energy radiated at all hours come from?
And it should be pointed out that elastic collisions wouldn't help as every molecule has an edge. though the exact point is defined by means of probability, there must be a point nothing can bounce back from. As matter can indeed form without instantly disintegrating, there must be a huge application of force at every second for something as large as a house to be constantly accelerated and decelerated all over.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:02:57 PM »

The interaction with a quantum field, which I have termed the caloric field, is the only explanation.



First define caloric field.
Then show that it better explains something already explained.
Then show that the new concept has some useful purpose.

Then everyone will stop laughing at you.

I have demonstrated the better explanation in this thread. I am defining it in the most accessible fashion I can: the quantum field that causes light.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 12:01:19 PM »
Heat is caused by the vibration of molecules: that is, velocity. It is a velocity in multiple directions, as objects with heat do not simply crawl away in a certain direction, so there must be an acceleration acting constantly on any object.
That is every molecule of an object is accelerating at any given moment. The house you're in, and its tremendous mass, are accelerating at every second of every minute of every hour of every day.

Where does the force and so energy required for this come from?


From the sun.

That isn't enough. Don't forget we still have heat at night. You would need a truly incredible amount of energy for the molecules to keep moving on and on, and we simply do not observe that much. If it were, solar panels would be far more effective than they are.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 15, 2016, 11:57:02 AM »
What varies is their direction, not their velocity. Therefore, no acceleration is needed. Or I could be terribly wrong. I'm an Arts guy, what do I know?
Varying direction is varying velocity.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rare Events
« on: July 15, 2016, 11:56:04 AM »

Like I said, the Bedford Level Experiment is only one example. Given that there is no curvature (a more profound result than "it looks flat,") the Earth cannot be round.


God almighty,  you are thick....  forget the Bedford Level experiment,  there are hundreds of thousands of geodetic surveys measuring the curvature of the earth. 

Go find a local surveyor and ask for an example of a geodetic survey.   NONE,  ( got that)  NONE of the hundreds of thousands of geodetic surveys ever done has ever shown a flat earth.

Why is that?

PS.  It occurs to me that you might not know what a geodetic survey is,  so here for your enlightenment and enjoyment is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy

Why is it the experiments performed by individuals beyond influence detect flatness, and the surveys performed by large, sponsored organizations detect curvature?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rare Events
« on: July 15, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »
I've seen a lot of round earthers talk about how clear proofs that the world is flat, such as the bedford level experiment, or cases where the light of a light house was visible when it should be blocked by the Earth's curvature, or situations where more of the world over a lake could be seen than should be possible on a round Earth, are unreliable given they have only been performed a handful of times.

What would you say is the best-documented example of seeing a light house that should have been blocked by the Earth's curvature?

There are several instances here:
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/04/flat-earth-enlightenment.html

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Flat Earth General / Re: Rare Events
« on: July 15, 2016, 11:54:32 AM »
I am deleting the nested quotes for the sake of simplicity.

Given that no curvature has been detected on the Earth, there must be an explanation for the odd distances detected there. Manufactured spatial distortions conceal huge, mineral-full areas of Earth such as El Dorado. These are mined and harvested for profit, while the rest of the world has no access and no knowledge to these areas. Oil, gold, precious metals...

Why is the observation of curvature only unreliable and based upon refraction if the conclusion that the world is not round?

Curvature has indeed been detected multiple times. As has been stated in another thread, the curvature was visible to the users of the Concorde. The very same Bedford Level Experiment, when performed correctly, is evidence of the same. The fact that mountains get dark from bottom to top, too. Curvature is easily detectable and measurable, and your negative to accept such a well proven fact is apalling.

Your manmade spatial distortions hypothesis is, as per your own words, based on the existance of places such as El Dorado, a myth born from the massive amount of gold and silver the Spanish Empire acquired from its american territories. It has no real support aside from tales and your own imagination.

Refraction is a very real phenomenon. Cases such as the Flying Dutchman, Crocker Land and other ghostly things spotted by ship crews can be explained in the same way. So watching the horizon and saying "I see things that I shouldn't be able to see" is no proof of anything.
Then why do you accept claimed accounts of the experiment only when they show curvature? Sunlight is explained by the caloric field.
The spatial distortion aspect is well-documented. As there is no curvature, there must be a reason for the distances we measure. El Dorado is but one example: there are many promised lands and places rich all throughout human history, in all kinds of cultures. There has to be a source for such a common theme. El Dorado wasn't the first. Promised lands have existed since before the birth of Christ.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Caloric Field and Heat
« on: July 12, 2016, 04:46:47 PM »
Please recall that we are talking about all matter, not just gas, and that vibration is by necessity an acceleration. Movement in one direction, deceleration, movement in the other. Anything else would produce motion. If heat is this constant kinetic energy, where does it come from?
This is not motion at a constant velocity. Objects with heat can still be stationary, so that can't be the case. There is acceleration and deceleration going on every second, Newton's first law isn't relevant, Newton's second law is. Acceleration means a force is applied. Kinetic energy has a v2 term in: the direction doesn't count, so if you sum the kinetic energy of all the molecules it is actually going to be quite substantial. You can't have negative energy, so it can't balance. There would be zero momentum, but that isn't what we're talking about.
Internal kinetic energy, molecules vibrating in place, is still energy: and the sum total of what is required must be enough energy to move the entire object. I am not saying the object should move, the motion cancels out, but if the round earth model is to be accurate there must a cause for this tremendous amount of energy that's used by every object, every second of every day.

The effect is heat, but what is the cause? This is an impossible amount of energy. It is enough to accelerate the house you're living in at this very moment, and then decelerate it, constantly.

The vibrating molecule model of heat is flawed.

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