Socialism...a fail everytime.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 29, 2010, 11:47:23 AM

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 02:40:32 PM

Having Cuba shoot down two of your nation's civilian planes tends to mess up relations.

Sure, but there have been far worse incidents between the U.S. and other countries which have not lead to trade-embargos. Besides, even that happened six years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and nearly 25 years after ties with China were normalised.

The China bit is irrelevant considering one nation's relations with the United States can't be used on a basis with another, when Cuba and China are so radically different. Not to mention..... the planes being shot down did not start the trade-embargos - just strengthened the ones already in place, which I find acceptable considering the incident. What are some of these "worse incidents" if you don't mind me asking?

Well, for example:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007


62 American citizens died in this single attack, but the United States never broke off diplomatic relations. I'm not saying all these situations are analogous, but the reality is that the U.S. is allied to far shadier nations than Cuba, with which it has no diplomatic relations and and a 50-year trade embargo.

Well, for example:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007


62 American citizens died in this single attack, but the United States never broke off diplomatic relations. I'm not saying all these situations are analogous, but the reality is that the U.S. is allied to far shadier nations than Cuba, with which it has no diplomatic relations and and a 50-year trade embargo.

Closing diplomatic relations would have done little in that case considering what we wanted was information of the event and that both sides would gain little from closing relations in a very tense phase of the Cold War. Not to mention the event did indeed result harsh consequences for the Soviet Union given the positioning of missiles systems in West Germany given the event.

Quote from: Death-T on September 29, 2010, 12:36:34 PM

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on September 29, 2010, 11:47:23 AM

Quote from: Death-T on September 28, 2010, 02:40:32 PM

Having Cuba shoot down two of your nation's civilian planes tends to mess up relations.

Sure, but there have been far worse incidents between the U.S. and other countries which have not lead to trade-embargos. Besides, even that happened six years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and nearly 25 years after ties with China were normalised.

The China bit is irrelevant considering one nation's relations with the United States can't be used on a basis with another, when Cuba and China are so radically different. Not to mention..... the planes being shot down did not start the trade-embargos - just strengthened the ones already in place, which I find acceptable considering the incident. What are some of these "worse incidents" if you don't mind me asking?

Well, for example:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007


62 American citizens died in this single attack, but the United States never broke off diplomatic relations. I'm not saying all these situations are analogous, but the reality is that the U.S. is allied to far shadier nations than Cuba, with which it has no diplomatic relations and and a 50-year trade embargo.

We have no permanent allies,
we have no permanent enemies,
we only have permanent interests.
–attributed to Henry John Temple Viscount Lord Palmerston 1784-1865, Foreign Secretary and
two-time Prime Minister under Queen Victoria.