Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven

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Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« on: April 19, 2016, 11:28:31 PM »
Hello.

Nowadays some dividers trying to their chance on the believers to set by the ears.

Somebody say that "you are a muslim so you can't go to heaven". Another idea on the muslims is "none islamics never go to heaven". These ideas are completely wrong.

The religion is not a football team lets you take to heaven. If you are supporting Barcelona , you can wait to be happy after they made a match  and won against Real Madrid. But if you are supporting Christianity as a football team, it don't let you take to heaven. And if you are supporting islam as a football team, it don't let you take to heaven too. Only if you a good human then you can let yourself to heaven.

Because It is not in your hands to born as a muslim or christian. And usually people don't change their own religion. It is not in your hands to don't want to change your religion.  that exist in everyone by some characters caused by psychological reasons .  But it is in your hand to be a good human or not. Your character allows to change your character good from bad or bad from good.

Then if we look the holly books which are we usually believing, we see that, it is not really important your religion  but it is important you be a good man or not to go to heaven or hell.

1- So lets look whats quran says about the christians:

VERILY, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds - shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.  (Surah 2. Al-Baqara, Ayah,verse 62)

Result: If you a christian, this don't let you take to hell. If you are a good man, you'll go to heaven.

2- Now lets look what bible says what means the "religion"  according to God

James 1:26-27 If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless. Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

Result: If you a muslim, this don't let you take to hell. If you are a good man, you'll go to heaven.

We can look and show verses from each book says "if you are a good man at the end you'll go to heaven". "If you are bad man, what religion you on is not important and you'll go to hell".

I know this truth so i'm defending each book quran and bible. I'm a "real muslim" that knows what the meaning of "believing the books"; defending quran on christian forums, defending bible and torah on islamic sites, and defending quran, bible and torah on the atheist sites. :)

I saw something on this world that can a man see in the world possible! Is this surprising? No. If you don't understand what am i talking about, nevermind. I'm not joking you with my tag "Near To God Away From You", think about it i'm not a joke. I'm a God lover. The name is not important. Because actually God don't need a name. Anyway. Somebody saying me that i'll go hell. I'm telling that if i go to hell, according to me this shows everybody in the world living now go there .

This is not a football match. Somebody supporting a religion as a holigan and thinks that it will go to heaven at the end. It is impossible because God saying something other.

Absolutely God knows who is a good man or not, and knows the people usually don't changes their religion. God is insightful, so understand why is why.

Somebody support Barcelona and somebody to Real Madrid. But i'm telling you that don't change your religion if is Christianism or Islam, you'll not win the match which one of them wins it or not. But only if you are a true man, then you'll win the match.

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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2016, 12:30:58 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2016, 12:59:03 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

Thank you. I'm surprised you agreed me in a matter .  :)

Most of people are attacking me about religions except atheists. ironically i'm telling everybody can go heaven if they are good human except atheists.  :) Actually i'm trying to solve the atheist problem on bible and quran but yet can't do it because expressed in the books are very rough. Anyway.

As a result religions are just beliefs. No one see the god on the earth. We believe actually it is just a prediction. Actually i'm sure there is a God but i'm trying to look this matter objectively.:

We pre-acceptance that 1/3 people on the world are muslim, 1/3 people on the world are christian or jewish, 1/3 people of the world are atheists or others.

As a thought in science that statistics do not lie. So we pre-acceptance that these ratios as their likely to be true.

So;

As a muslim i have %33 chance to believing the true and %67 chance to believing to some evil things.

As a christian you have a chance %33 believing the truth or %67 chance believing to a changed book or some nonsence.

As an atheist you have %33 chance for believing nothing about God but %67 chance you are swearing to God.

As a result everbody in the world has a %33 chance to believing the truth and %67 chance to believing the wrong.

This is completely unbiased looking.

As a result, We have some idea about God but nobody exactly sure what seems is God. But we surely know on the earth  that only what seems the killing, the lie, or be a good man.

So be a good man. (I don't mean with most of them about you)
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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2016, 03:13:35 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

Thank you. I'm surprised you agreed me in a matter .  :)

Most of people are attacking me about religions except atheists. ironically i'm telling everybody can go heaven if they are good human except atheists.  :) Actually i'm trying to solve the atheist problem on bible and quran but yet can't do it because expressed in the books are very rough. Anyway.

As a result religions are just beliefs. No one see the god on the earth. We believe actually it is just a prediction. Actually i'm sure there is a God but i'm trying to look this matter objectively.:

We pre-acceptance that 1/3 people on the world are muslim, 1/3 people on the world are christian or jewish, 1/3 people of the world are atheists or others.

As a thought in science that statistics do not lie. So we pre-acceptance that these ratios as their likely to be true.

So;

As a muslim i have %33 chance to believing the true and %67 chance to believing to some evil things.

As a christian you have a chance %33 believing the truth or %67 chance believing to a changed book or some nonsence.

As an atheist you have %33 chance for believing nothing about God but %67 chance you are swearing to God.

As a result everbody in the world has a %33 chance to believing the truth and %67 chance to believing the wrong.

This is completely unbiased looking.

As a result, We have some idea about God but nobody exactly sure what seems is God. But we surely know on the earth  that only what seems the killing, the lie, or be a good man.

So be a good man. (I don't mean with most of them about you)

Can a mushrik like me go to hraven?

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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 06:44:14 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

Thank you. I'm surprised you agreed me in a matter .  :)

Most of people are attacking me about religions except atheists. ironically i'm telling everybody can go heaven if they are good human except atheists.  :) Actually i'm trying to solve the atheist problem on bible and quran but yet can't do it because expressed in the books are very rough. Anyway.

As a result religions are just beliefs. No one see the god on the earth. We believe actually it is just a prediction. Actually i'm sure there is a God but i'm trying to look this matter objectively.:

We pre-acceptance that 1/3 people on the world are muslim, 1/3 people on the world are christian or jewish, 1/3 people of the world are atheists or others.

As a thought in science that statistics do not lie. So we pre-acceptance that these ratios as their likely to be true.

So;

As a muslim i have %33 chance to believing the true and %67 chance to believing to some evil things.

As a christian you have a chance %33 believing the truth or %67 chance believing to a changed book or some nonsence.

As an atheist you have %33 chance for believing nothing about God but %67 chance you are swearing to God.

As a result everbody in the world has a %33 chance to believing the truth and %67 chance to believing the wrong.

This is completely unbiased looking.

As a result, We have some idea about God but nobody exactly sure what seems is God. But we surely know on the earth  that only what seems the killing, the lie, or be a good man.

So be a good man. (I don't mean with most of them about you)

Can a mushrik like me go to hraven?

The possibility about If you'll go to heaven:

According to Christians: Impossible.
According to Muslims: Impossible.
According to atheists: There isn't anything about heaven.

Result:

According to christians, muslims and atheists together:
%67 likely you'll go to hell, %33 likely you'll go to nowhere.%100 possibility you'll not go to heaven.

According for me depends on 3 books and others ... I don't want to say because it is not my problem.  :D
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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2016, 12:08:06 PM »
Sorry to burst your bubble but Jesus said "I'm the way, the truth, the life and no man comes to the father except through me". So he's either right or wrong. According to the Bible there's no other way to be saved except to believe that Jesus is you Lord and savior. Now we can debate whether the Bible is correct or not on that but you can't debate whether the Bible allows for other religions to be saved.
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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 12:19:43 PM »
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. (2 Corinthians 5:10)

Maybe you get spanked if you done terrible things but are still a believer.
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Re: Religion is not a football team lets you to go heaven
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 05:41:50 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

Thank you. I'm surprised you agreed me in a matter .  :)

Most of people are attacking me about religions except atheists. ironically i'm telling everybody can go heaven if they are good human except atheists.  :) Actually i'm trying to solve the atheist problem on bible and quran but yet can't do it because expressed in the books are very rough. Anyway.

As a result religions are just beliefs. No one see the god on the earth. We believe actually it is just a prediction. Actually i'm sure there is a God but i'm trying to look this matter objectively.:

We pre-acceptance that 1/3 people on the world are muslim, 1/3 people on the world are christian or jewish, 1/3 people of the world are atheists or others.

As a thought in science that statistics do not lie. So we pre-acceptance that these ratios as their likely to be true.

So;

As a muslim i have %33 chance to believing the true and %67 chance to believing to some evil things.

As a christian you have a chance %33 believing the truth or %67 chance believing to a changed book or some nonsence.

As an atheist you have %33 chance for believing nothing about God but %67 chance you are swearing to God.

As a result everbody in the world has a %33 chance to believing the truth and %67 chance to believing the wrong.

This is completely unbiased looking.

As a result, We have some idea about God but nobody exactly sure what seems is God. But we surely know on the earth  that only what seems the killing, the lie, or be a good man.

So be a good man. (I don't mean with most of them about you)

Can a mushrik like me go to hraven?

The possibility about If you'll go to heaven:

According to Christians: Impossible.
According to Muslims: Impossible.
According to atheists: There isn't anything about heaven.

Result:

According to christians, muslims and atheists together:
%67 likely you'll go to hell, %33 likely you'll go to nowhere.%100 possibility you'll not go to heaven.

According for me depends on 3 books and others ... I don't want to say because it is not my problem.  :D

But your category of Atheists strangely includes Hindus Buddhists and everybody else. So you must admit that I have a certain chance of reincarnating as a mocking bird.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 03:55:00 AM »
I agree with Intikam.

Religions that claim that just believing makes you go to heaven always seemed weird to me. If God made arbitrary decisions like that, why would anyone feel like worshipping God in the first place?

Thank you. I'm surprised you agreed me in a matter .  :)

Most of people are attacking me about religions except atheists. ironically i'm telling everybody can go heaven if they are good human except atheists.  :) Actually i'm trying to solve the atheist problem on bible and quran but yet can't do it because expressed in the books are very rough. Anyway.

As a result religions are just beliefs. No one see the god on the earth. We believe actually it is just a prediction. Actually i'm sure there is a God but i'm trying to look this matter objectively.:

We pre-acceptance that 1/3 people on the world are muslim, 1/3 people on the world are christian or jewish, 1/3 people of the world are atheists or others.

As a thought in science that statistics do not lie. So we pre-acceptance that these ratios as their likely to be true.

So;

As a muslim i have %33 chance to believing the true and %67 chance to believing to some evil things.

As a christian you have a chance %33 believing the truth or %67 chance believing to a changed book or some nonsence.

As an atheist you have %33 chance for believing nothing about God but %67 chance you are swearing to God.

As a result everbody in the world has a %33 chance to believing the truth and %67 chance to believing the wrong.

This is completely unbiased looking.

As a result, We have some idea about God but nobody exactly sure what seems is God. But we surely know on the earth  that only what seems the killing, the lie, or be a good man.

So be a good man. (I don't mean with most of them about you)

Can a mushrik like me go to hraven?

The possibility about If you'll go to heaven:

According to Christians: Impossible.
According to Muslims: Impossible.
According to atheists: There isn't anything about heaven.

Result:

According to christians, muslims and atheists together:
%67 likely you'll go to hell, %33 likely you'll go to nowhere.%100 possibility you'll not go to heaven.

According for me depends on 3 books and others ... I don't want to say because it is not my problem.  :D

But your category of Atheists strangely includes Hindus Buddhists and everybody else. So you must admit that I have a certain chance of reincarnating as a mocking bird.

You are true you have that chance about a chance less than %33 reincarnating. But still you have %67 chance to go to hell and %0 chance to go to heaven.

You asked me if you can go to heaven or not, the answer did not changed. You can never go the heaven. (in your opinion if it exist)
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 09:23:44 AM »
You are true you have that chance about a chance less than %33 reincarnating. But still you have %67 chance to go to hell and %0 chance to go to heaven.

You asked me if you can go to heaven or not, the answer did not changed. You can never go the heaven. (in your opinion if it exist)

Unless, of course, Religion is not a football team that lets you go to heaven. In that case I might go to heaven simply for being a good person, regardless of whether I believe in it or not.

Maybe god has sense of humor and sends all the atheist into an extra special cool heaven, just to show them.

This thread kinda reminds me of Pascal's wager. Do you know the idea, Intikam?

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2016, 01:25:03 AM »
You are true you have that chance about a chance less than %33 reincarnating. But still you have %67 chance to go to hell and %0 chance to go to heaven.

You asked me if you can go to heaven or not, the answer did not changed. You can never go the heaven. (in your opinion if it exist)

Unless, of course, Religion is not a football team that lets you go to heaven. In that case I might go to heaven simply for being a good person, regardless of whether I believe in it or not.

Maybe god has sense of humor and sends all the atheist into an extra special cool heaven, just to show them.

This thread kinda reminds me of Pascal's wager. Do you know the idea, Intikam?

Statistics never lie.

If you don't believe you go to heaven, it is impossible God lets you to go to the heaven. because you don't wanted to do it and there is no reason to let you go there. If somebody believe him go to heaven, it is possible God lets him to go to the heaven as a reward.

We don't believe atheists go to heaven.
Atheists don't believe atheists go to heaven.
God said us that atheists will not go to heaven.
Atheists don't believe there is a God.

rationality causes that no one of the atheists can't go to heaven. There is only a chance that if everything is a joke. But i can't see a playful God when i think about him. And I want you to know that i don't believe God because I know there is God". Do you understand the difference of "believing and knowing?". Not everything writen on the books.

To understand what am i talking about look the matter: "Levh uzayı ve dejavu etkisi" (space Levh and dejavue effect) https://www.turandursun.com/forumlar/showthread.php?t=25368

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Tanım:

İçinde yer alan elektronların tamamının ya da bir kısmının hareketinin yön değişebildiği, yaşanan olayların ileri veya geri alınabildiği uzaya, Levh uzayı denir.

(Şu dünyada çakılı bir çivimiz bulunsun)

Tanım:

Yaşanılan tüm olayların geri alınması, olayın içinde yer alan ve bilinç sahibi varlıklarda, daha önce yaşanılmışlık hissi uyandırır. Gerçekte bu olay yaşanılmış, ancak tüm olaylar geri alınıp başlangıç noktasına gelindiğinde, bilinç sahibi varlık, tam da o anda bir sonraki zaman diliminde neyin gerçekleşeceğini -hatırlar-.

İşte bu hatırlama olayına, "levh uzayında dejavu etkisi" denilir. Kişi, gelecekte olacak bir şeyi yaşanmış şeklinde hatırlar.

Dejavu'nun varsayılan bir uzay modüllemesinde bu modüllemeye uygun tek bilimsel tanımlamasıdır.

Translated to:

Definition:
All of the particles within or may change the direction of movement of a part of the events can be forward or backward in space, it called the "Levh space"

Definition:
Withdrawal of all the events experienced in being with consciousness and situated in the event, causes on the man evokes feeling they are lived before.

In fact, this event has experienced, but when all events are taken back to the starting point, conscious existence, at that precise moment in time what will happen next like -remember-.

This event to remember called as "dejavue effect in the space levh" . Man remembers as something that will be experienced in the future.
Experimental stages of a space module Dejavue default this module is suitable only scientific identification requirement.

(levh he is me)

If somebody can translate it better, i can change the post with better translation..

This is not about this mater but i worked and drawn a picture that explain what is "dejavu" by the easier way.



Why did i draw this picture to explain dejavu to you? Becase i want you know that we can use different ways to win. If you understand that i explain everything with clearly.
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