Yes, the ISS is REAL...hard to believe isn't it

I don't want to be too critical about your ISS, so I only spent a few minutes to check out this video. I had actually watched it before. I thought I'd document a few things that looked a little funny to me and list them below. I'm not looking for a fight. If you want to discuss them, be my guest.

1. Her neckless necklace is going all over the place, yet all the wires are not moving much if any.

2. Her hair seems to stay straight up above her head even when she tilts it down.

It looks very unsafe to me to have all those dangling wires and cables around. Some could pull the wires out of the actual connectors.

One minute into the video we see kind of large white cables just hanging there in mid air, yet her hair is standing straight up.

Do you think this is a proper way cables should be secured?

3. 1:13 minutes into the video she is on the ceiling stretched straight out, yet her hair is not pointing up now, it is still standing straight up above her head.

4. 1:23 minutes in the video she has no problem kicking the coiled cable out of her way. Like it isn't important anyway.

Why would they leave cable laying around like that anyway?

Who does that?

5. At 0:50 minutes into the video I noticed a loud noise could suddenly be heard that sounded much like an engine of some sort. What could that sound be?

6. 2:38 minutes into the video, just above her right arm, there looks to be a printed circuit board that what looks to have green lit LEDs just hanging there by the cables. Is that safe leaving a powered printed circuit board hanging around? Who would do that?

7. 3:04 minutes into the video the noise I mentioned in 5. suddenly got louder. I swear it sounded like a jet engine to me.

I could go on but no point in that.

Quote from: Yendor on March 01, 2016, 02:03:53 PM

I don't want to be too critical about your ISS, so I only spent a few minutes to check out this video. I had actually watched it before. I thought I'd document a few things that looked a little funny to me and list them below. I'm not looking for a fight. If you want to discuss them, be my guest.

I don't see anything in your comments that suggests she is not in the ISS and lots that suggests that she is - especially how she can move around equally well in three dimensions and the behavior of her hair, jewelry, and the cable bundles. All of these are exactly as would be expected in a free-fall (a.k.a. "weightless") environment.

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1. Her neckless necklace is going all over the place, yet all the wires are not moving much if any.

She's moving around and the equipment the wires are attached to is not.

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2. Her hair seems to stay straight up above her head even when she tilts it down.

Yep. It sure does. That's because she's in free fall. There's no force pulling her hair any particular way, it has some rigidity but little mass, so it doesn't move (much) wrt to her scalp. If you've ever seen an electrostatic generator to make someone's hair stand on end, you'd know that even a small electrostatic charge would make hair do that when it isn't being pulled down.

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It looks very unsafe to me to have all those dangling wires and cables around. Some could pull the wires out of the actual connectors.

Yeah... we know that's your thing.

In working labs cables are often not tied securely to the equipment they're used with. If you've ever been in a working lab you might know this. The ISS is a working lab.

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One minute into the video we see kind of large white cables just hanging there in mid air, yet her hair is standing straight up.

Yeah, OK. Remember, the whole station is in free fall, so that would be expected. What did you expect these things to look like? Hanging down? Which way is "down"?

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Do you think this is a proper way cables should be secured?

The builders didn't ask my opinion about it, but what they're doing is probably a compromise between utility and neatness and appears to work, so my opinion of cable stowage isn't particularly germane.

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3. 1:13 minutes into the video she is on the ceiling stretched straight out, yet her hair is not pointing up now, it is still standing straight up above her head.

Yep. It's because she's in free-fall. That's because she's in orbit inside the ISS. Pretty cool and looks like fun, doesn't it?

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4. 1:23 minutes in the video she has no problem kicking the coiled cable out of her way. Like it isn't important anyway.

She touches it with her foot, anyway. Have you ever touched a cable bundle with your foot? Did doing so cause some particular problem?

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Why would they leave cable laying around like that anyway?

You will have to ask the designers or occupants of the ISS the reason why that's done if you want a definitive answer. It's probably for reasons of practicality, but that's just a guess.

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Who does that?

Lots of people do.

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5. At 0:50 minutes into the video I noticed a loud noise could suddenly be heard that sounded much like an engine of some sort. What could that sound be?

Machinery of some kind?

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6. 2:38 minutes into the video, just above her right arm, there looks to be a printed circuit board that what looks to have green lit LEDs just hanging there by the cables. Is that safe leaving a powered printed circuit board hanging around? Who would do that?

Maybe we're not looking at the same thing, but some equipment attached to the wall in the upper right part of the frame has green lights on it. It looks fully enclosed to me. Is that what you're commenting on? At  least the lights are green. If they were flashing red, that might indicate a problem of some kind.
 

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7. 3:04 minutes into the video the noise I mentioned in 5. suddenly got louder. I swear it sounded like a jet engine to me.

OK. It's nice to know what you swear it sounds like to you. I guess...

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I could go on but no point in that.

You're right!!

One thing about you Alpha, is you never see the obvious. I've gone on about this stuff many times before with you and I'm so surprised that, even though you have worked in the electronic industry the same as me, you don't seem to recognize things out of the norm.

I don't know, maybe the kind of work environment you are used to is different then what I'm used to.

I am technical and i have spent many months developing products for the government that I know ended up on the scrap heap.

I just don't understand how you can downgrade yourself like you do. Just to prove to others you are part of the gang.

If you don't see the circuit board hanging in the air, I'll point it out to you if you want.

What difference does it make if the LEDs are red or green. It takes power to light them any color.

Yendor is just pointing out some of the obvious flaws.

You can ignore the points.

Or maybe explain why we can hear the jet engines.

Quote from: hoppy on March 01, 2016, 06:08:31 PM

Yendor is just pointing out some of the obvious flaws.

What Yendor points out are things he just doesn't understand and thinks (or claims, without really believing it himself) are flaws.

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You can ignore the points.

Did I miss any? If so, apologies. What are they?

I'm still waiting for his clarification on the one part of my reply that he commented on.

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Or maybe explain why we can hear the jet engines.

First, you need to establish that what Yendor thinks sound like jet engines actually, y'know, are jet engines.

Sounded like the air system.

Ok, no real answers. Got it.

Some objections in the past about these videos has been that they don't show the earth from the ISS windows. Well, many videos do, including the one in the OP, but no doubt it's all still fake... somehow.

Quote from: FETlolcakes on March 01, 2016, 05:23:52 PM

Some objections in the past about these videos has been that they don't show the earth from the ISS windows. Well, many videos do, including the one in the OP, but no doubt it's all still fake... somehow.

Go to 12:16. The windows distort the earth.  It shows a curve but that curve is never continued from window to window which means they are looking through curved windows.  So Even in 'space' the horizon is flat because guess what, the earth is flat.

Quote from: Silicon on March 01, 2016, 06:29:22 PM

Quote from: FETlolcakes on March 01, 2016, 05:23:52 PM

Some objections in the past about these videos has been that they don't show the earth from the ISS windows. Well, many videos do, including the one in the OP, but no doubt it's all still fake... somehow.

Go to 12:16. The windows distort the earth.  It shows a curve but that curve is never continued from window to window which means they are looking through curved windows.  So Even in 'space' the horizon is flat because guess what, the earth is flat.

Uh,  no, there are several cameras outside the ISS,  the outside live video stream is not distorted by windows.    Does that live video feed look flat to you?

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on March 01, 2016, 06:21:31 PM

Quote from: hoppy on March 01, 2016, 06:08:31 PM

Yendor is just pointing out some of the obvious flaws.

What Yendor points out are things he just doesn't understand and thinks (or claims, without really believing it himself) are flaws.

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You can ignore the points.

Did I miss any? If so, apologies. What are they?

I'm still waiting for his clarification on the one part of my reply that he commented on.

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Or maybe explain why we can hear the jet engines.

First, you need to establish that what Yendor thinks sound like jet engines actually, y'know, are jet engines.

Ok, no real answers. Got it.

What does the outside camera have to do with the inside of the ISS video from the OP.  The inside camera can be just a regular camera they use to film their talks, which sometimes looks through curved windows and the outside camera can be setup to take a feed and have it auto manipulated.  Look I'm growing tired of completely destroying ISS, NASA, and all this fake nonsense they put out.  It doesn't make me happy anymore.  They have all kinds of tricks and if you're interested, you can figure out what they're doing.  They should just tell people the truth.

Quote from: Silicon on March 01, 2016, 06:57:41 PM

What does the outside camera have to do with the inside of the ISS video from the OP.  The inside camera can be just a regular camera they use to film their talks, which sometimes looks through curved windows and the outside camera can be setup to take a feed and have it auto manipulated.  Look I'm growing tired of completely destroying ISS, NASA, and all this fake nonsense they put out.  It doesn't make me happy anymore.  They have all kinds of tricks and if you're interested, you can figure out what they're doing.  They should just tell people the truth.

The thing you seem to be missing, is that it's real,  ( no I'm not just saying that as a debating tactic ).    You can see it through a telescope,  plenty of people have.  You can watch live video feed from inside and outside and nothing is faked.   As far as it being NASA,  no it's not, it's the INTERNATIONAL space station,  not the NASA space station.   NASA,  can't even send supplies up anymore, they have to use the Russians, and private contractors to send people and supplies.

You are seeing through a some kind of paranoid mental fog.   If you want to have your own version of reality that's fine,  you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

PS.  The point about the outside camera's is that they show clearly the earth is curved, not flat,  so your point about interior windows is irrelevant.

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Quote from: Silicon on March 01, 2016, 06:57:41 PM

What does the outside camera have to do with the inside of the ISS video from the OP.  The inside camera can be just a regular camera they use to film their talks, which sometimes looks through curved windows and the outside camera can be setup to take a feed and have it auto manipulated.  Look I'm growing tired of completely destroying ISS, NASA, and all this fake nonsense they put out.  It doesn't make me happy anymore.  They have all kinds of tricks and if you're interested, you can figure out what they're doing.  They should just tell people the truth.

The thing you seem to be missing, is that it's real,  ( no I'm not just saying that as a debating tactic ).    You can see it through a telescope,  plenty of people have.  You can watch live video feed from inside and outside and nothing is faked.   As far as it being NASA,  no it's not, it's the INTERNATIONAL space station,  not the NASA space station.   NASA,  can't even send supplies up anymore, they have to use the Russians, and private contractors to send people and supplies.

You are seeing through a some kind of paranoid mental fog.   If you want to have your own version of reality that's fine,  you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

PS.  The point about the outside camera's is that they show clearly the earth is curved, not flat,  so your point about interior windows is irrelevant.

Half of that message was meant for an IM.  Oh well. I could continue to drill on this but it will just not end well for the ISS.  But whats the point?

Quote from: Rayzor on March 01, 2016, 06:33:41 PM

Quote from: Silicon on March 01, 2016, 06:29:22 PM

Quote from: FETlolcakes on March 01, 2016, 05:23:52 PM

Some objections in the past about these videos has been that they don't show the earth from the ISS windows. Well, many videos do, including the one in the OP, but no doubt it's all still fake... somehow.

Go to 12:16. The windows distort the earth.  It shows a curve but that curve is never continued from window to window which means they are looking through curved windows.  So Even in 'space' the horizon is flat because guess what, the earth is flat.

Uh,  no, there are several cameras outside the ISS,  the outside live video stream is not distorted by windows.    Does that live video feed look flat to you?

What does the outside camera have to do with the inside of the ISS video from the OP.  The inside camera can be just a regular camera they use to film their talks, which sometimes looks through curved windows and the outside camera can be setup to take a feed and have it auto manipulated.  Look I'm growing tired of completely destroying ISS, NASA, and all this fake nonsense they put out.  It doesn't make me happy anymore.  They have all kinds of tricks and if you're interested, you can figure out what they're doing.  They should just tell people the truth.

"free fall" in "0g" 

Cheers guys.

Yes.  zero-g is the same as free fall. 

Your ignorance of basic physics is a testament to your moronic stupidity,  I bet you think the moon landings were faked, and the earth is flat....  oh wait....

Quote from: Rayzor on March 02, 2016, 01:05:06 AM

Yes.  zero-g is the same as free fall. 

Your ignorance of basic physics is a testament to your moronic stupidity,  I bet you think the moon landings were faked, and the earth is flat....  oh wait....

" In Newtonian physics, free fall is any motion of a body where gravity is the only force acting upon it. "

" ze′ro grav′ity
"n."the condition in which the apparent effect of gravity is zero"
 

do you still think sound travels through a vacuum ?
Still can't debunk the moon hoax evidence ?
Still ignoring your scientific faux pars ?
Still running ?
Still dancing ?
Still bottling it ?

So,  you think free fall and zero G are different?    You don't understand sound propagation,  we proved that already, why you keep raising you embarrassing failures is beyond me.

But then again, who understands the mind of a troll?  Only other trollish creatures I suspect.

Oh, and you illiterate educational background is showing again,  it's  faux pas,    not  "faux pars"   Oh wait that was a faux pas, ...  man that's worthy of a MONSTER FAIL!!!