"south star" not visible from northern hemisphere

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"south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« on: June 22, 2015, 04:40:58 AM »
(Astronomically) At first glance, there should be no observable difference between if earth is a circle or sphere. In both cases, there is a spinning wheel of stars spinning around the star nearest to end point of axis. Simple enough. However, this should vary depending on if you are standing on southern hemisphere or northern hemisphere. In a 2d circle, the northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere both have in view one axis, whereas in a 3d sphere there would be 2 axis such that only one axis end point (south star or north star) would be viewable as opposed to 2d circle where there is only 1 axis end point.



TEST:
This should be easily testable by having one person stand at south pole, and another stand at north pole. They then should point there cameras to south axis point and north axis point, and post photos on internet for comparison.

EXPECTED RESULTS:
* round 2d world: both photos should show same stars in the sky with north star being focal point.
* sphere 3d world: one photo shows north star focal point with north star neighboring stars, and other photo should south star and neighbors.

Shouldn't this test alone be enough to prove if earth actually is flat or round?
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 05:00:08 AM »
You are correct,   there is no workable flat earth explanations of the South Celestial Pole,   I've seen maybe 3 or 4 youtube videos claiming to offer definitive explanations of why the stars in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise about the South Celestial Pole,  and in the Northern Hemisphere about the Pole Star.   None have been able to come up with anything.   The best they seem to offer is that it's some kind of optical illusion and the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.   

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2015, 05:15:19 AM »
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za48.htm
Quote from: Rowbotham

IT has often been urged that the earth must be a globe, because the stars in the southern "hemisphere" move round a south polar star; in the same way that those of the north revolve round "Polaris," or the northern pole star. This is another instance of the sacrifice of truth, and denial of the evidence of our senses for the purpose of supporting a theory which is in every sense false and unnatural. It is known to every observer that the north pole star is the centre of a number of constellations which move over the earth in a circular direction. Those nearest to it, as the "Great Bear," &c., &c., are always visible in England during their whole twenty-four hours' revolution. Those further away southwards rise north-north-east, and set south-south-west; still further south they rise east by north, and set west by north. The farthest south visible from England, the rising is more to the east and south-east, and the setting to the west and south-west. But all the stars visible from London rise and set in a way which

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is not compatible with the doctrine of rotundity. For in-stance, if we stand with our backs to the north, on the high land known as "Arthur's Seat," near Edinburgh, and note the stars in the zenith of our position, and watch for several hours, the zenith stars will gradually recede to the north-west. If we do the same on Woodhouse Moor, near Leeds, or on any of the mountain tops in Yorkshire or Derbyshire, the same phenomenon is observed. The same thing may be seen from the top of Primrose Hill, near Regent's Park, London; from Hampstead Heath; or Shooter's Hill, near Woolwich. If we remain all night, we shall observe the same stars rising towards our position from the north-east, showing that the path of all the stars between ourselves and the northern centre move round the north pole-star as a common centre of rotation; just as they must do over a plane such as the earth is proved to be. It is undeniable that upon a globe zenith stars would rise, pass over head, and set in the plane of the observer's position. If now we carefully watch in the same way the zenith stars from the Rock of Gibraltar, the very same phenomenon is observed. The same is also the case from Cape of Good Hope, Sydney and Melbourne in Australia, in New Zealand, in Rio Janeiro, Monte Video, Valparaiso, and other places in the south. If then the zenith stars of all the places on the earth, where special observations have been made, rise from the morning horizon to the zenith of an observer, and descend to the evening horizon, not in a plane of the position of such observer, but in an arc of a circle concentric with the northern centre, the earth is thereby

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proved to be a plane, and rotundity altogether disproved--shown, indeed, to be impossible.

Here, however, we are met with the positive assertion that there is a very small star (of about the sixth magnitude) in the south, called Sigma Octantis, round which all the constellations of the south revolve, and which is therefore the southern polar star. It is scarcely polite to contradict the statements made, but it is certain that persons who have been educated to believe that the earth is a globe, going to the southern parts of the earth do not examine such matters critically. They see the stars move from towards the east towards the west, and they are satisfied. But they have not instituted special experiments, regardless of results, to ascertain the real and absolute movements of the southern constellations. Another thing is certain, that from and within the equator the north pole star, and the constellations Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and many others, can be seen from every meridian simultaneously; whereas in the south, from the equator, neither the so-called south pole star, nor the remarkable constellation of the Southern Cross, can be seen simultaneously from every meridian, showing that all the constellations of the south--pole star included--sweep over a great southern arc and across the meridian, from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning. But if the earth is a globe, Sigma Octantis a south pole star, and the Southern Cross a southern circumpolar constellation, they would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude, as is the case with the northern pole star and the northern circumpolar constellations.

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 05:29:09 AM »
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za48.htm
Quote from: Rowbotham

IT has often been urged that the earth must be a globe, because the stars in the southern "hemisphere" move round a south polar star; in the same way that those of the north revolve round "Polaris," or the northern pole star. This is another instance of the sacrifice of truth, and denial of the evidence of our senses for the purpose of supporting a theory which is in every sense false and unnatural. It is known to every observer that the north pole star is the centre of a number of constellations which move over the earth in a circular direction. Those nearest to it, as the "Great Bear," &c., &c., are always visible in England during their whole twenty-four hours' revolution. Those further away southwards rise north-north-east, and set south-south-west; still further south they rise east by north, and set west by north. The farthest south visible from England, the rising is more to the east and south-east, and the setting to the west and south-west. But all the stars visible from London rise and set in a way which

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is not compatible with the doctrine of rotundity. For in-stance, if we stand with our backs to the north, on the high land known as "Arthur's Seat," near Edinburgh, and note the stars in the zenith of our position, and watch for several hours, the zenith stars will gradually recede to the north-west. If we do the same on Woodhouse Moor, near Leeds, or on any of the mountain tops in Yorkshire or Derbyshire, the same phenomenon is observed. The same thing may be seen from the top of Primrose Hill, near Regent's Park, London; from Hampstead Heath; or Shooter's Hill, near Woolwich. If we remain all night, we shall observe the same stars rising towards our position from the north-east, showing that the path of all the stars between ourselves and the northern centre move round the north pole-star as a common centre of rotation; just as they must do over a plane such as the earth is proved to be. It is undeniable that upon a globe zenith stars would rise, pass over head, and set in the plane of the observer's position. If now we carefully watch in the same way the zenith stars from the Rock of Gibraltar, the very same phenomenon is observed. The same is also the case from Cape of Good Hope, Sydney and Melbourne in Australia, in New Zealand, in Rio Janeiro, Monte Video, Valparaiso, and other places in the south. If then the zenith stars of all the places on the earth, where special observations have been made, rise from the morning horizon to the zenith of an observer, and descend to the evening horizon, not in a plane of the position of such observer, but in an arc of a circle concentric with the northern centre, the earth is thereby

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proved to be a plane, and rotundity altogether disproved--shown, indeed, to be impossible.

Here, however, we are met with the positive assertion that there is a very small star (of about the sixth magnitude) in the south, called Sigma Octantis, round which all the constellations of the south revolve, and which is therefore the southern polar star. It is scarcely polite to contradict the statements made, but it is certain that persons who have been educated to believe that the earth is a globe, going to the southern parts of the earth do not examine such matters critically. They see the stars move from towards the east towards the west, and they are satisfied. But they have not instituted special experiments, regardless of results, to ascertain the real and absolute movements of the southern constellations. Another thing is certain, that from and within the equator the north pole star, and the constellations Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and many others, can be seen from every meridian simultaneously; whereas in the south, from the equator, neither the so-called south pole star, nor the remarkable constellation of the Southern Cross, can be seen simultaneously from every meridian, showing that all the constellations of the south--pole star included--sweep over a great southern arc and across the meridian, from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning. But if the earth is a globe, Sigma Octantis a south pole star, and the Southern Cross a southern circumpolar constellation, they would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude, as is the case with the northern pole star and the northern circumpolar constellations.

So,  Rowbotham as is his usual tactic  claims that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.    The fact remains that it does exist, and the stars all revolve around that single point,  which means the earth has two poles, a North Pole and a South Pole.   This is not possible on a flat earth.     The only flat earth explanation is that either it doesn't exist, (Rowbotham)  or it's an optical illusion ( Eric Dubay)

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2015, 05:55:34 AM »
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So,  Rowbotham as is his usual tactic  claims that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.    The fact remains that it does exist, and the stars all revolve around that single point,  which means the earth has two poles, a North Pole and a South Pole.   This is not possible on a flat earth.     The only flat earth explanation is that either it doesn't exist, (Rowbotham)  or it's an optical illusion ( Eric Dubay)

This Rowbotham quote is based on anecdotal observation. If Rowbotham could see this photography he would be amazed, because it invalidates at least this one quote. Optical illusion? That seems like a mulligan. Rowbotham would spit at that suggestion, being that it goes against zetetic observation.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2015, 06:07:03 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor
So,  Rowbotham as is his usual tactic  claims that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.    The fact remains that it does exist, and the stars all revolve around that single point,  which means the earth has two poles, a North Pole and a South Pole.   This is not possible on a flat earth.     The only flat earth explanation is that either it doesn't exist, (Rowbotham)  or it's an optical illusion ( Eric Dubay)

This Rowbotham quote is based on anecdotal observation. If Rowbotham could see this photography he would be amazed, because it invalidates at least this one quote. Optical illusion? That seems like a mulligan. Rowbotham would spit at that suggestion, being that it goes against zetetic observation.

Here is the Eric Dubay video,  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">    see what you think :D
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2015, 06:21:20 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor
So,  Rowbotham as is his usual tactic  claims that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.    The fact remains that it does exist, and the stars all revolve around that single point,  which means the earth has two poles, a North Pole and a South Pole.   This is not possible on a flat earth.     The only flat earth explanation is that either it doesn't exist, (Rowbotham)  or it's an optical illusion ( Eric Dubay)

This Rowbotham quote is based on anecdotal observation. If Rowbotham could see this photography he would be amazed, because it invalidates at least this one quote. Optical illusion? That seems like a mulligan. Rowbotham would spit at that suggestion, being that it goes against zetetic observation.

Here is the Eric Dubay video,  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">    see what you think :D

I paused this video at the 20 second mark. That is all you need to see to understand the video, but let me know if there is anything past that point...

He is arguing already with the assumption that the earth is flat. However, the fact remains that if the world is a sphere, then there should be 2 different perspectives. Regardless of if some far away points are unseeable in that dome diagram, the north star would always be visible and look the same. That's not the case in time lapse video from south pole focal point - it looks much different -unless this is also an illusion of perspective?

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2015, 06:29:30 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor
So,  Rowbotham as is his usual tactic  claims that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist.    The fact remains that it does exist, and the stars all revolve around that single point,  which means the earth has two poles, a North Pole and a South Pole.   This is not possible on a flat earth.     The only flat earth explanation is that either it doesn't exist, (Rowbotham)  or it's an optical illusion ( Eric Dubay)

This Rowbotham quote is based on anecdotal observation. If Rowbotham could see this photography he would be amazed, because it invalidates at least this one quote. Optical illusion? That seems like a mulligan. Rowbotham would spit at that suggestion, being that it goes against zetetic observation.

Here is the Eric Dubay video,  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">    see what you think :D

I paused this video at the 20 second mark. That is all you need to see to understand the video, but let me know if there is anything past that point...

He is arguing already with the assumption that the earth is flat. However, the fact remains that if the world is a sphere, then there should be 2 different perspectives. Regardless of if some far away points are unseeable in that dome diagram, the north star would always be visible and look the same. That's not the case in time lapse video from south pole focal point - it looks much different -unless this is also an illusion of perspective?


Skip forward to 11:22 onwards,  the guy talking is "Stars are Souls",  and he concludes on zero evidence that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist,  the star Sigma Octans doesn't exist, and the pictures of timelapse rotation of stars about the South Celestial Pole are all faked and photo shopped.   No evidence at all,  and  just calls fake on anything that doesn't fit the flat earth model.   He is hilarious.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 07:03:14 AM »
I paused this video at the 20 second mark. That is all you need to see to understand the video, but let me know if there is anything past that point...
You should have kept going to the 30 second mark.  There he claims that Polaris can be seen all the way south to the tropic of Capricorn.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 01:11:43 PM »
no answer?

There have been astronomical charts/maps of southern and northern hemisphere for millenniums. In a flat earth there should not exist a southern hemisphere because there is no concept of a south pole in FE.

A photo pointing to north axis should match what you see on astronomical chart of northern hemisphere; likewise a photo pointing to south axis should match what you see on chart of southern hemisphere.

This should be enough to prove earth is sphere?

(btw, those other questions you have about centripigal force, etc can be saved for later - because geocentric model is stationary - it took a while for astronomers to figure out the earth is spinning and not the stars - btw, there are still a few that hold onto view of geocentric round model even to this day)...

Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 06:59:27 AM »
So, i am new at the flat earth theory but im curious. I found this thread on google when i was searching for flat earth evidence. How do we explain the "southern" lights then?

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 08:14:30 AM »
Guys, obviously these FEers live in the northern hemisphere and don't know what they are talking about in astronomy (what people in the southern hemisphere see) - apparently a VERY common thing in the FE community.

As pointed out here (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0), they can't even explain why the N.Pole is in the center of the disk and the S.Pole isn't (you COULD see the "south star" and South Celestial Pole but alas, not Polaris or the North Celestial Pole  :(). When Robotham was around, was there a world-wide conspiracy at Antarctica? Why choose N.Pole in the center?
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 12:28:59 PM »
You are correct,   there is no workable flat earth explanations of the South Celestial Pole
Haven't you talked with JRowe? I'm fairly sure you have.

Whatever else you can say about his model, at least it answers this question.

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 01:16:09 PM »
You are correct,   there is no workable flat earth explanations of the South Celestial Pole
Haven't you talked with JRowe? I'm fairly sure you have.

Whatever else you can say about his model, at least it answers this question.
Ah, but it is still not a WORKABLE model.

As far as I can tell with my own observation we cannot be on a flat Earth.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2016, 01:21:00 PM »
You are correct,   there is no workable flat earth explanations of the South Celestial Pole
Haven't you talked with JRowe? I'm fairly sure you have.

Whatever else you can say about his model, at least it answers this question.
Ah, but it is still not a WORKABLE model.

As far as I can tell with my own observation we cannot be on a flat Earth.

It's more workable than most. It makes an effort to actually explain things like the coriolis effect, and stars. It doesn't work, so what? Does any model on this site?
Hold things to a reasonable standard. I'm pretty sure that if science was going to be revolutionized, it wouldn't be on a forum with absent staff, threads dedicated to whether or not fairies and air exist, and a time traveller hanging around the lower forums.

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »
Could you please explain how you can possibly  see a rotating star patten , if your spinning on a spherical & not looking in line with it axis.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2016, 02:42:01 PM »
At the end of the  clip posted of the northern hemisphere you will see , what I call 111. Others call it the cricket stumps or the cricket pitch , due to there being another star a distance away seemingly in line with the middle of the three stars . Theses three stars are both seen in the nothern & south hemisphere . I see theses three stars regularly . I have veiwed them facing south , lv veiwed them facing east , lv veiwed them  facing north  & even overhead . The earth cant possible be spinning on an axis , if spinning at all.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2016, 05:27:47 PM »
At the end of the  clip posted of the northern hemisphere you will see , what I call 111. Others call it the cricket stumps or the cricket pitch , due to there being another star a distance away seemingly in line with the middle of the three stars . Theses three stars are both seen in the nothern & south hemisphere . I see theses three stars regularly . I have veiwed them facing south , lv veiwed them facing east , lv veiwed them  facing north  & even overhead . The earth cant possible be spinning on an axis , if spinning at all.
Do you have something to show that the stars you claim to see are the exact same stars each time and not just you?
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2016, 05:32:06 PM »
So, i am new at the flat earth theory but im curious. I found this thread on google when i was searching for flat earth evidence. How do we explain the "southern" lights then?

Welcome to the trenches. I doubt you'll find evidence for a flat earth. At least evidence that can't be explained.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2016, 06:12:53 PM »
At the end of the  clip posted of the northern hemisphere you will see , what I call 111. Others call it the cricket stumps or the cricket pitch , due to there being another star a distance away seemingly in line with the middle of the three stars . Theses three stars are both seen in the nothern & south hemisphere . I see theses three stars regularly . I have veiwed them facing south , lv veiwed them facing east , lv veiwed them  facing north  & even overhead . The earth cant possible be spinning on an axis , if spinning at all.
Do you have something to show that the stars you claim to see are the exact same stars each time and not just you?
Well only another 100 or so people , iv pointed it out to who have witnessed it for them self .Now care to answer my question l put forward .Could you please explain how you can possibly  see a rotating star patten , if your spinning on a spherical & not looking in line with it axis.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2016, 07:16:53 PM »
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When Robotham was around, was there a world-wide conspiracy at Antarctica? Why choose N.Pole in the center?

The problem might have been that almost nothing was known about Antarctica in Rowbotham's time, Cook had circumnavigated it, but not seen it.  All that was known was the "ice-cliffs" (almost "impenetrable walls").  But this changed with:
Quote from: http://www.south-pole.com/p0000101.htm
On December 14, 1911, Amundsen and four others stood at the South Pole, a month before Robert Scott.

Maybe Rowbotham can be forgiven (a little bit!), but modern Flat Earthers have absolutely no excuse for denying the existence of the South Pole.  There is no way Amundsen or Scott could be fooled by "fake GPS", they determined their location using sun-sights.  Amundsen used sextants, more compact and Scott used theodolites - more accurate.  Both were very meticulous in their methods.  Amundsen, being first there plotted an approximate location:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%27s_South_Pole_expedition
For the next three days the men worked to fix the exact position of the pole; after the conflicting and disputed claims of Cook and Peary in the north, Amundsen wanted to leave unmistakable markers for Scott. After taking several sextant readings at different times of day, Bjaaland, Wisting and Hassel skied out in different directions to "box" the pole; Amundsen reasoned that at least one of them would cross the exact point. Finally the party pitched a tent, which they called Polheim, as near as possible to the actual pole as they could calculate by their observations.

To paraphrase the The (New York) Sun "Yes, Virginia, there is a South Pole!"

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2016, 07:57:42 PM »
At the end of the  clip posted of the northern hemisphere you will see , what I call 111. Others call it the cricket stumps or the cricket pitch , due to there being another star a distance away seemingly in line with the middle of the three stars . Theses three stars are both seen in the nothern & south hemisphere . I see theses three stars regularly . I have veiwed them facing south , lv veiwed them facing east , lv veiwed them  facing north  & even overhead . The earth cant possible be spinning on an axis , if spinning at all.
Do you have something to show that the stars you claim to see are the exact same stars each time and not just you?
Well only another 100 or so people , iv pointed it out to who have witnessed it for them self .Now care to answer my question l put forward .Could you please explain how you can possibly  see a rotating star patten , if your spinning on a spherical & not looking in line with it axis.
Are you talking about "field rotation"? (http://www.astrotx.com/Field%20Rotation.htm)

In human terms, if you look a something (constellation, Moon) rising in the East, you physically should point your body East and put your head against your left shoulder. When it is straight above you (facing N/S) your head should be straight up (normal). When setting in the West, your body should face West with your head on your right shoulder. This way, the object (Moon say) will not "rotate". This is what an equatorial telescope does automatically (see link above -  especially the eyepiece on the white moving telescope). If you keep your head straight up throughout, the object will appear to rotate throughout the night (an altazimuth mount - YOU).
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2016, 08:32:36 PM »
At the end of the  clip posted of the northern hemisphere you will see , what I call 111. Others call it the cricket stumps or the cricket pitch , due to there being another star a distance away seemingly in line with the middle of the three stars . Theses three stars are both seen in the nothern & south hemisphere . I see theses three stars regularly . I have veiwed them facing south , lv veiwed them facing east , lv veiwed them  facing north  & even overhead . The earth cant possible be spinning on an axis , if spinning at all.
Do you have something to show that the stars you claim to see are the exact same stars each time and not just you?
Well only another 100 or so people , iv pointed it out to who have witnessed it for them self .Now care to answer my question l put forward .Could you please explain how you can possibly  see a rotating star patten , if your spinning on a spherical & not looking in line with it axis.
Are you talking about "field rotation"? (http://www.astrotx.com/Field%20Rotation.htm)

In human terms, if you look a something (constellation, Moon) rising in the East, you physically should point your body East and put your head against your left shoulder. When it is straight above you (facing N/S) your head should be straight up (normal). When setting in the West, your body should face West with your head on your right shoulder. This way, the object (Moon say) will not "rotate". This is what an equatorial telescope does automatically (see link above -  especially the eyepiece on the white moving telescope). If you keep your head straight up throughout, the object will appear to rotate throughout the night (an altazimuth mount - YOU).
What I'm saying is , if your spinning on a ball with  an axis though the center of it.Then unless your  standing on the point of the axis & looking in line with that  axis. Which would be your centering point of rotation. Then any rotation of stars that your seeing from any other location proves  earth is not  rottating & the stars are.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2016, 08:53:28 PM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2016, 09:41:54 PM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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Are you intentionally being ...obtuse, from any point on the spinning globe where you can see the north star you can observe the star trails. The epicentre will be located in a different position in the sky for different locations on the spinning globe.

An analogy would be, place a basketball on the ground, mark two dot such that they can both see a lightbulb on the ceiling but neither dot is directly on top of the basketball, now spin that fucker. Both dots have a view of the lightbulb and in you case the constellations of fly shit around it would form trails when observed from either dot, and neither dot is located on the axis of rotation.

Does that make it clearer for you bullshitter?
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2016, 10:06:43 PM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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At a mid latitude watching the polar star.  Simple.

Charley, your comprehension of a sphere is equal to your comprehension of spelling.

Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2016, 12:02:50 AM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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Are you intentionally being ...obtuse, from any point on the spinning globe where you can see the north star you can observe the star trails. The epicentre will be located in a different position in the sky for different locations on the spinning globe.

An analogy would be, place a basketball on the ground, mark two dot such that they can both see a lightbulb on the ceiling but neither dot is directly on top of the basketball, now spin that fucker. Both dots have a view of the lightbulb and in you case the constellations of fly shit around it would form trails when observed from either dot, and neither dot is located on the axis of rotation.

Does that make it clearer for you bullshitter?
The only bullshiter around here seems to be you & a phucken dumb one at that.
Could you demonstrate this amazing feat you claim you can perform with your baseball.
Maybe you could use a desk globe map to  demonstrate this magic you speak of , by explaing the trick in  viewing a centre star trail  on an earth rotating on a different axis . To the centre of the star trail being veiwed.
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Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2016, 01:02:02 AM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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Easy, if you live in the Northern Hemisphere the North Celestial Pole can be seen by looking north (you can manage that!) at an altitude equal to your north latitude. Polaris will be almost at that location, and the stars will rotate anticlockwise about it.

If you live in the Southern Hemisphere the South Celestial Pole can be seen by looking south at an altitude equal to your south latitude. Sigma Octantis will be almost at that location, but it is too dim to be seen with the naked eye. The "Pointers" and "Southern Cross" are not far from the "South Celestial Pole" and they and other the other stars rotate clockwise about it. 

These fit perfectly with a globe rotating about an axis through the north and south poles.

Re: "south star" not visible from northern hemisphere
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2016, 02:32:18 AM »
Tell me how this is possible to veiw . On a rottating spherical earth. When your not standing at earth point of axis & in line with that axis .

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Easy, if you live in the Northern Hemisphere the North Celestial Pole can be seen by looking north (you can manage that!) at an altitude equal to your north latitude. Polaris will be almost at that location, and the stars will rotate anticlockwise about it.

If you live in the Southern Hemisphere the South Celestial Pole can be seen by looking south at an altitude equal to your south latitude. Sigma Octantis will be almost at that location, but it is too dim to be seen with the naked eye. The "Pointers" and "Southern Cross" are not far from the "South Celestial Pole" and they and other the other stars rotate clockwise about it. 

These fit perfectly with a globe rotating about an axis through the north and south poles.
You really are talking though your ass , what are you cock eyed .its filmed in northern California. How is that footage in line with earths axis. Its phucken not . Face it earths not spinning but I'm sure you will just keep lying to people & fooling them in to thinking it is.
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