DIY Coriolis demo

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DIY Coriolis demo
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:06:45 PM »
Check out this site for a DIY Coriolis demo that anyone can do to prove the effect exists:

http://www.smartereveryday.com/toiletswirl

I would be interested to see how many FE supporters actually get off their potties and go do this! Post your results below!
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tappet

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2015, 09:53:04 PM »
I would not have expected that you of all people would accept proof of any experiment only done once.

Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2015, 10:32:44 PM »
I would not have expected that you of all people would accept proof of any experiment only done once.
If you don't think the results were valid, repeat the experiment rather than whining about it.

It's easier to just complain and idly carp about what others do, so never mind. On second thought, since you brag about being a good liar, we don't really want to hear what you claim you found, anyway. Don't bother.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2015, 10:45:57 PM »
I would not have expected that you of all people would accept proof of any experiment only done once.
If you don't think the results were valid, repeat the experiment rather than whining about it.

It's easier to just complain and idly carp about what others do, so never mind. On second thought, since you brag about being a good liar, we don't really want to hear what you claim you found, anyway. Don't bother.
You do the experiment you wanker. I could not be bothered.
I have done experiments on this forum, how about you have a go.

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 05:42:26 AM »
Giving vauxhall a reach around doesn't count as an experiment.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 08:42:52 AM »
I would not have expected that you of all people would accept proof of any experiment only done once.
If you don't think the results were valid, repeat the experiment rather than whining about it.

It's easier to just complain and idly carp about what others do, so never mind. On second thought, since you brag about being a good liar, we don't really want to hear what you claim you found, anyway. Don't bother.
You do the experiment you wanker. I could not be bothered.
"It's easier to just complain and idly carp about what others do, so never mind." See.

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I have done experiments on this forum,
When? Why should we trust what you say after your bragging about being a good liar?

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how about you have a go.
Here's one. Can I accurately predict where to point a telescope to see some selected celestial object based on calculations using an ellipsoidal-earth model? The result was a resounding Yes!

In fact, every time I use this software to point the telescope (and conversely, to identify a celestial object the telescope is pointing at), I'm really performing an experiment; it's just so routinely reliable it hardly seems like an experiment any more.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2015, 02:02:33 PM »
Gee great experiment, all your own work?
Can you show us some photos of you setting this up?
Or are you all talk?
Love the lying link, funny world you live in where only tour guides lie.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2015, 03:54:55 PM »
I have posted a demonstration a while ago about how snipers need to account for the Coriolis effect, but I never got any flat earther explanations.

Before anyone accuses me of not doing experiments myself, look at the second link on my forum signature.

In fact, I have never seen a single experiment done by a flat earther.  Maybe they should have a turn doing the experimentation this time.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 06:05:21 PM »
Gee great experiment
Thanks. No link to your own experiment(s)? Why not?

Here's a link to another, more recent, experiment I did: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=54468.msg1695307#msg1695307. That one came up with a null result, but no one was willing to say in advance what they expected to see, except a very vague "something".

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all your own work?
That depends on what you mean. I'm not going to claim that I wrote the microcode in the processor, nor the operating system or dozens of libraries of functions, nor designed and built the electronics and hardware in the computer or the telescope and mount, or even the cables and connectors.

I did not write, for instance, the cosine function that's part of the processor's instruction set, nor the libraries that display characters on the screen and concatenates strings, or all manner of things. In that sense, I cannot claim that "It's all my work".

The application-specific code that ties all the necessary calculations together and makes it work is mine. This is typical for modern computer apps. Is that good enough for you?

Sorry to sound evasive, but around here, I expect challenges like "you didn't build the resolvers used to control the servo motors that point the telescope. Claiming it's all your work is totally bogus and shows you're lying!!!" and "How do you know the cosine function is really giving the cosine if you didn't write it yourself?"

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Can you show us some photos of you setting this up?
Or are you all talk?
You suddenly believe photos now? Cool! That opens up all sorts of evidence for things.

I didn't think to photograph myself coding. I do have a few of the telescope, maybe including some with the computer connected by serial cable. I'm sure I could make some the next time I set the system up, but I usually use a Bluetooth serial adapter now, so the telescope doesn't look like it's "really" connected anyway. What do you think these would show?

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Love the lying link, funny world you live in where only tour guides lie.
The link was to a post where you were bragging about how effective you were at lying. I just checked again, and nowhere did it seem to say that only tour guides lie. Just you. In it you proudly say that you relish how good you were at it. I didn't think that post implied at all that only tour guides lie; if that's what you meant, it wasn't conveyed very effectively. Is that what you meant? Why would you think so?

Here it is again, QFT.
I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the na´ve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.
[Edit] Oops... incorrectly nested quote. Sorry to be so long to catch this.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2015, 07:37:49 PM by Alpha2Omega »
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 06:18:14 PM »
While I think that coriolis efect is minor on the toilet flush example (fabrication quirks being much more important), and I doubt the accuracy of the video, Coriolis effect is demostrable nevertheless.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2015, 12:42:11 AM »
The coriolis effect has been proven to be a fabrication.  http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp

Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2015, 12:46:53 AM »
The coriolis effect has been proven to be a fabrication.  http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp
It does not say that.

Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2015, 07:14:44 AM »
The coriolis effect has been proven to be a fabrication.  http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp

"The twisting effect of the Coriolis force is real and does influence certain large things like the movement of air masses, but the effect is so small that it plays no role in determining the direction in which water rotates as it exits from a draining sink or toilet."

way to misrepresent your own citation jroa

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2015, 09:17:44 AM »
Snipers actually have to take the Coriolis Effect into account to make accurate shots across long distances.  Why would this be if the Coriolis Effect were not real?
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2015, 09:37:21 AM »
The Coriolis force is used in weather forecasting: it's even the reason hurricanes exist. If it wasn't really there, why are we able to use it to make verifiable predictions?

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2015, 09:59:51 AM »
Experience the Coriolis Effect directly for yourself!

1. Find a playground roundabout.

2. Climb aboard and scoot it up to as good a speed as you can.

3. Haul yourself towards the centre (noting as you do, the increase in speed of rotation due to conservation of angular momentum [/hint])

4. Attempt to kick the hub with a big swing of your foot (laughter at this point is optional but most recommended)

Repeat steps 2 - 4 scooting the roundabout in the opposite direction. Note the difference in the kick attempts.

Now, the real question is; Can we expect any members of this "Zetetic" society to do some actual "finding out"?





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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2015, 02:24:17 PM »
Snipers actually have to take the Coriolis Effect into account to make accurate shots across long distances.  Why would this be if the Coriolis Effect were not real?

Snipers also have spotters that tell them how far off their shots are and how to adjust the scope in order to make a follow up shot.  If snipers are such magically mathematical super humans, why do they need to make adjustmenst after the first shot?

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2015, 02:26:06 PM »
Experience the Coriolis Effect directly for yourself!

1. Find a playground roundabout.

2. Climb aboard and scoot it up to as good a speed as you can.

3. Haul yourself towards the centre (noting as you do, the increase in speed of rotation due to conservation of angular momentum [/hint])

4. Attempt to kick the hub with a big swing of your foot (laughter at this point is optional but most recommended)

Repeat steps 2 - 4 scooting the roundabout in the opposite direction. Note the difference in the kick attempts.

Now, the real question is; Can we expect any members of this "Zetetic" society to do some actual "finding out"?







I think you are confusing the coriolis effect with centripatal force.  Please learn2science 

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2015, 03:11:47 PM »
I think you are confusing the coriolis effect with centripatal force.  Please learn2science

Centrifugal force is the outward force which is felt by spinning objects and the Coriolis effect is how objects behave when being brought further from and closer to the rotational axis.

You are the one confusing the Coriolis effect and centrifugal force, and you are also confusing science with research.
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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2015, 04:13:42 PM »
I think you are confusing the coriolis effect with centripatal force.  Please learn2science

Centrifugal force is the outward force which is felt by spinning objects and the Coriolis effect is how objects behave when being brought further from and closer to the rotational axis.

You are the one confusing the Coriolis effect and centrifugal force, and you are also confusing science with research.

Oh, I see.  You are actually confusing Conservation of Angular Motion with the Coriolis Effect.  You might also be confusing Centrifugal Fore (inertia) with Centripetal Force (a real force).  Either way, you are still very wrong in almost everyway. 

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Re: DIY Coriolis demo
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2015, 04:33:48 PM »
I think you are confusing the coriolis effect with centripatal force.  Please learn2science

Centrifugal force is the outward force which is felt by spinning objects and the Coriolis effect is how objects behave when being brought further from and closer to the rotational axis.

You are the one confusing the Coriolis effect and centrifugal force, and you are also confusing science with research.

Oh, I see.  You are actually confusing Conservation of Angular Motion with the Coriolis Effect.  You might also be confusing Centrifugal Fore (inertia) with Centripetal Force (a real force).  Either way, you are still very wrong in almost everyway.

The Coriolis effect is an effect caused by the law of conservation of angular momentum, you are mixing up effects and laws.  Either way, we are seeing this effect on Earth which means the Earth is spinning and sense it is in different directions in different hemispheres then the Earth must be round.
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