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Pacific Rim
« on: May 24, 2013, 06:43:36 AM »
If you have no idea what I'm talking about:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pacific Rim - Official Main Trailer [HD]

It's got Guillermo Del Toro at the helm (Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy series), with Charlie Hunnam (Sons of Anarchy) leading the cast. Most people I know seem to be pretty split about this movie, with some people saying it looks like another transformers/battleship/skyline, while others are really excited to see it.  I'm hoping Del Toro can pull off something that looks as silly as this.

What do you think, FES?
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 09:44:41 AM »
I'm interested and will be seeing it. I try not to form more of an opinion than that before seeing a movie. Not having any expectations works well.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 09:52:44 AM »
This looks terrible. Not my kind of thing at all. I like a storyline. A story about monsters from the sea fighting giant futuristic robots? Yeah, a 7 year old could have come up with that.

Not for me.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 10:32:13 AM »
I don't see how this will be any better than Transformers.  And I also don't see how Del Toro's directing will add much to the overall quality.  Exactly who or what will he able to effectively direct?  These aren't actors.  These aren't performances.  These are lifeless, artificial special effects, generated by computers and conceived by graphic designers.  They're the ones who are going to be creatively responsible for how the bulk of the movie goes, not the director or actors.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 10:45:14 AM »
Quote from: rooster on May 24, 2013, 09:44:41 AM
I'm interested and will be seeing it. I try not to form more of an opinion than that before seeing a movie. Not having any expectations works well.

Yes! I'm quite interested, though. :]

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 24, 2013, 10:32:13 AM
I don't see how this will be any better than Transformers.  And I also don't see how Del Toro's directing will add much to the overall quality.  Exactly who or what will he able to effectively direct?  These aren't actors.  These aren't performances.  These are lifeless, artificial special effects, generated by computers and conceived by graphic designers.  They're the ones who are going to be creatively responsible for how the bulk of the movie goes, not the director or actors.

There are actors, though. And the director doesn't just say "make, like, robots fighting okay everything is up to you", he oversees the effects, the way they're used and done and how everything looks and is finished and blahblah. How the film looks and feels is going to be up to him (with input by the designers and cinematographer and whatnot). He's going to be telling them what to do, what to make it look like and how he wants it to feel, telling them what they're doing wrong and how x should be more y and so forth. Do you think Hugo was great in no part thanks to Martin Scorcese? That he just handed off the film to a bunch of animators and had no hand in the film itself?
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 11:00:58 AM »
I felt like going on a Luddite tangent. :(  I know it's not really that simple.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 11:08:17 AM »
Its Godzilla vs Transformers with the names changed to avoid legal problems.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 24, 2013, 11:00:58 AM
I felt like going on a Luddite tangent. :(  I know it's not really that simple.

Shame on you. >:[

Quote from: Thork on May 24, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Its Godzilla vs Transformers with the names changed to avoid legal problems.

It's basically a Japanese mecha anime in live action. Mecha animes can be really great, Del Toro's an amazing director and nerd, so there is nobody else I'd trust more in bringing such a thing to the big screen.

Also, I don't really see the Transformers comparison in anything other than the "wel its a giant robot" bit. The tone and feel to the film are completely different, this feels way more real with anime overtones, while Transformers was just bombastic and a bit cartoonish; even the CGI, while visually impressive, felt more cartoony and overblown. It's, really, like comparing the Transformers cartoons to a serious mecha anime. Which yes, I'm sure you'll go "but their' the same" because you're Thork and just want something to argue, but watching the two they are nothing alike in anything other than a medium and robotics.
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Chris Spaghetti

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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 12:44:29 PM »
Could be good. I liked Hellboy.

Though I hope they explain why they built big robots rather than just dropping nukes on 'em.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2013, 01:21:13 PM »
I really like Del Toro's stuff, so I'm sure it'll at least be somewhat enjoyable.

And Supes is right, it's not Transformers it's more like Voltron or Gundam Wing. There will be footage focusing on the actors in the suit which looks pretty cool. Plus, the robots look way better than in Transformers where all the "bad" robots were extremely pointy.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2013, 01:38:13 PM »
Cheesy action can be good if it's well directed, stylized and toned, and I definitely trust Del Toro to do a much better job at it than Michael Bay. I figure there'll be a lot of juxtaposition between real acting and robot movements to convey emotions and tones in scenes. Beyond that though, who knows.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM »
I don't see why the giant robots would have legs, it just complicates everything.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2013, 02:21:26 PM »
Quote from: EnigmaZV on May 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
I don't see why the giant robots would have legs, it just complicates everything.
Easier for human piloting. Humans aren't used to using non-bipedal motion in something other than a car or plane.


To me, the movie looks like Evangelion. If it's half as good, it'll be worth watching.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2013, 04:08:18 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on May 24, 2013, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on May 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
I don't see why the giant robots would have legs, it just complicates everything.
Easier for human piloting. Humans aren't used to using non-bipedal motion in something other than a car or plane.

That makes so much negative sense. There is a reason for our almost complete lack of bipedal vehicles.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 04:27:17 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 24, 2013, 10:32:13 AM
I don't see how this will be any better than Transformers.  And I also don't see how Del Toro's directing will add much to the overall quality.  Exactly who or what will he able to effectively direct?  These aren't actors.  These aren't performances.  These are lifeless, artificial special effects, generated by computers and conceived by graphic designers.  They're the ones who are going to be creatively responsible for how the bulk of the movie goes, not the director or actors.

I'm pretty sure Del Toro was involved in all of the special effects, in that he avoided using motion capture because it would make the robots move like humans. Just look at the costumes, the set pieces they've constructed (even though you get very few shots of them in the trailers - it's mostly robot vs monster for hype). Transformers didn't have detail like that put into it.

He also had a hand in the screenplay, which is good because Travis Beacham hasn't written much of anything to be judged by.

Quote from: EnigmaZV on May 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
I don't see why the giant robots would have legs, it just complicates everything.

Technically you're not able to use cargo ships as baseball bats either, or carry 2500 tons with 8 chinooks. They're taking a lot of liberties with real life physics, hopefully nothing that pulls me out of the movie.

Quote from: Thork on May 24, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Its Godzilla vs Transformers with the names changed to avoid legal problems.

Yep, it's intended as a homage to multiple genres of movies and anime.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2013, 09:43:34 PM »
Quote from: Particle Person on May 24, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on May 24, 2013, 02:21:26 PM
Quote from: EnigmaZV on May 24, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
I don't see why the giant robots would have legs, it just complicates everything.
Easier for human piloting. Humans aren't used to using non-bipedal motion in something other than a car or plane.

That makes so much negative sense. There is a reason for our almost complete lack of bipedal vehicles.
Many of which requires a fairly flat surface to operate smoothly on.

But pray tell, how would you design a giant robot that would beat up monsters from the Ocean (even if the fight went from the water to the city)?
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2013, 10:23:43 PM »
It's simple physics. A modern MBT weighs around 60 tons with armour and weapons, so treads are used to spread it all out over multiple wheels. A mech would probably weigh something similar, as it would require a heap of technology to move the legs and keep it balanced in addition to weapon systems and armour. If it falls over or someone blows up a leg, then you're screwed, whereas tanks just keep rolling.

The monsters and robots in Pacific Rim wouldn't exist in reality because they're too damn big. The robots weigh far too much to walk, let alone be moved around. Rocket punches and wrestling moves wouldn't stop monsters that can withstand the pressure of the ocean at the base of the pacific. But yeah, the movie is supposed to answer the question "what if giant mosnters started attacking our cities?" in a more imaginative fashion.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on May 24, 2013, 12:44:29 PM
Though I hope they explain why they built big robots rather than just dropping nukes on 'em.

I think the monsters are actually weapons being aimed at highly populated areas. Nuking them would destroy entire cities whereas robot vs monster combat just levels a few buildings.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2013, 02:42:58 AM »
Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: Thork on May 24, 2013, 11:08:17 AM
Its Godzilla vs Transformers with the names changed to avoid legal problems.

It's basically a Japanese mecha anime in live action.
A Japa-what?

Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
Mecha animes can be really great,
Maybe you'd like to quantify this for me in some way. Better than say a $1 cheeseburger from McDonalds? Better than a blowjob from an elderly lady? Better than Gemma Atkinson's breasts?

Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
Also, I don't really see the Transformers comparison in anything other than the "wel its a giant robot" bit.
Oh, so you do see my point. Yes, its giant CGI robots again. Once you've seen one 200 foot giant robot that likes to fight things, you've pretty much seen them all. Giving them a new name doesn't hide the fact that they are still giant 200 foot CGI robots.

Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
The tone and feel to the film are completely different, this feels way more real
I don't know what its like growing up in the Northern parts of the USA, but having huge sea monsters and giant robots duking it out in the streets isn't an everyday occurrence here in the United Kingdom. In fact such scenes would be regarded as total fantasy here, or 'unreal' if you will.

Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
with anime overtones, while Transformers was just bombastic and a bit cartoonish;
But anime is cartoons. ???



Quote from: Supertails on May 24, 2013, 11:48:32 AM
even the CGI, while visually impressive, felt more cartoony and overblown. It's, really, like comparing the Transformers cartoons to a serious mecha anime. Which yes, I'm sure you'll go "but their' the same" because you're Thork and just want something to argue, but watching the two they are nothing alike in anything other than a medium and robotics.
It seems you have already predicted my objection. They are the same.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2013, 02:49:55 AM »
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2013, 08:43:25 AM »
Michael Bay is not the only person allowed to do giant robots. In fact, he shouldn't be allowed to do anything cause he's terrible. This will be tons better at the very least.

And also, since when does Hollywood say "hey, hasn't something slightly similar been done before? We better not try to take it in another direction."
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2013, 09:53:17 AM »
I like the big robots and stuff, but I'm not so sure about the huge aliens living under the sea bit.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2013, 10:28:39 AM »
Quote from: rooster on May 25, 2013, 08:43:25 AM
And also, since when does Hollywood say "hey, hasn't something slightly similar been done before? We better not try to take it in another direction."

Are they taking it in another direction?
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2013, 11:32:47 AM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: rooster on May 25, 2013, 08:43:25 AM
And also, since when does Hollywood say "hey, hasn't something slightly similar been done before? We better not try to take it in another direction."

Are they taking it in another direction?
Robot suits, Saddam, not aliens.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2013, 02:55:45 PM »
This kind of movie hasn't really been done in Hollywood before. It takes things from a lot of places and mashes them together.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2013, 03:42:57 PM »
Quote from: Vindictus on May 25, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
This kind of movie hasn't really been done in Hollywood before.

On the contrary, Michael Bay has already done three of them.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2013, 03:44:46 PM »
Thork is Saddam's alt. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2013, 03:50:50 PM »
Thork and I are occasionally in agreement.  Unusual, but not unheard of.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2013, 03:58:32 PM »
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
Thork and I are occasionally in agreement. 
This simply isn't true.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2013, 06:45:14 PM »
I'm aware that it's going to be terrible, but I still want to see the shit out of this movie.
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Re: Pacific Rim
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2013, 06:48:04 PM »
Quote from: Thork on May 25, 2013, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Saddam Hussein on May 25, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
Thork and I are occasionally in agreement. 
This simply isn't true.

I agree.
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