Sceptic mind?

You were probably raised with the idea the earth was a sphere. What made you think otherwise?

I'll answer this. I always had assumed the earth was a sphere growing up and into adulthood. Probably about 5 years ago I discovered that 9crazy muslims with plastic knives did not knock down the Twin Towers. I found out that they were demolished with explosives. And that blew my mind to realise that.
 After checking into other things I found out that the moon landings were faked. Another mind blower. More surfing and I ended up here at TFES. I realised the earth is flat, the biggest mind blower, and grand daddy of the conspiracies. For me it was toughest conditioning(brain washing) to escape from.

the grand daddy of conspiracies is organized religion.
that should really blow your mind, not the silly NASA "conspiracy".

I'll answer this. I always had assumed the earth was a sphere growing up and into adulthood. Probably about 5 years ago I discovered that 9crazy muslims with plastic knives did not knock down the Twin Towers. I found out that they were demolished with explosives. And that blew my mind to realise that.
 After checking into other things I found out that the moon landings were faked. Another mind blower. More surfing and I ended up here at TFES. I realised the earth is flat, the biggest mind blower, and grand daddy of the conspiracies. For me it was toughest conditioning(brain washing) to escape from.

Between the faked moon landings and discovering TFES, did you discover any other mind blowing conspiracies? Are you aware that the other side of the moon inhabits a flying spaghetti monster? I bet that will blow your mind too! 

I was as brainwashed as the next person when I was younger, so I know how easy it is to simply disregard those that are known to be "conspiracy theorists."
I didn't have much thinking time in my younger days, because I was too busy doing what I was doing and too tired later on to even contemplate anything to the contrary of what I'd already learned and seen on the news etc.

The first time I came across anything remotely strange, was with the whole moon landing carry on and the more I looked into it, the more nonsensical it became.
I read up on Bill Kaysing and Ralph Renee, which was enough to convince me that all was not right, so I decided to sift through basically everything about it all, from the bottom up, which brought up many more questions as time went on.

From that point on, I took more notice of things in the news and then pondered that, if the moon landings were faked...what else could they be faking.
It's took me a long time to get to the stage I'm at, as in a full on distrust of what  the media put out and now, I question absolutely everything and believe nothing, until I'm satisfied in my own mind that what I'm seeing or reading is legitimate, which is one hard thing to work out when you consider the happenings over the years.

Interesting, so how do you check that what you are seeing and reading is legitimate? What is your methodology?

Quote from: hoppy on May 22, 2013, 07:08:31 PM

I'll answer this. I always had assumed the earth was a sphere growing up and into adulthood. Probably about 5 years ago I discovered that 9crazy muslims with plastic knives did not knock down the Twin Towers. I found out that they were demolished with explosives. And that blew my mind to realise that.
 After checking into other things I found out that the moon landings were faked. Another mind blower. More surfing and I ended up here at TFES. I realised the earth is flat, the biggest mind blower, and grand daddy of the conspiracies. For me it was toughest conditioning(brain washing) to escape from.

Between the faked moon landings and discovering TFES, did you discover any other mind blowing conspiracies? Are you aware that the other side of the moon inhabits a flying spaghetti monster? I bet that will blow your mind too! 

Don't believe me that is fine. I don't believe in all conspiracies. I was just telling the man how I ended up here. I used to be just as happy and clueless as the next guy.

Don't believe me that is fine. I don't believe in all conspiracies. I was just telling the man how I ended up here. I used to be just as happy and clueless as the next guy.

So what is your methodology to check which one is true and which one is false?

the grand daddy of conspiracies is organized religion.

I'm interested; could you elaborate?

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 23, 2013, 09:05:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 23, 2013, 01:55:32 AM

I was as brainwashed as the next person when I was younger, so I know how easy it is to simply disregard those that are known to be "conspiracy theorists."
I didn't have much thinking time in my younger days, because I was too busy doing what I was doing and too tired later on to even contemplate anything to the contrary of what I'd already learned and seen on the news etc.

The first time I came across anything remotely strange, was with the whole moon landing carry on and the more I looked into it, the more nonsensical it became.
I read up on Bill Kaysing and Ralph Renee, which was enough to convince me that all was not right, so I decided to sift through basically everything about it all, from the bottom up, which brought up many more questions as time went on.

From that point on, I took more notice of things in the news and then pondered that, if the moon landings were faked...what else could they be faking.
It's took me a long time to get to the stage I'm at, as in a full on distrust of what  the media put out and now, I question absolutely everything and believe nothing, until I'm satisfied in my own mind that what I'm seeing or reading is legitimate, which is one hard thing to work out when you consider the happenings over the years.

Interesting, so how do you check that what you are seeing and reading is legitimate? What is your methodology?

It's not always easy.
You see, it's best to spend the time to read through, view and scrutinise anything like this from both avenues and keeping an open mind, until the weighing scales of your mind fall one way or the other.

I'd love it if things just went smoothly, giving no rise to any conspiracy but they don't do they.
If there were only a few anomalies and coincidences regarding any event, I would accept the events for what they were portrayed as, yet I don't see just a few things, I see any amount, plus the body language of bad actors and bad liars.

It's not hard to spot a blatant liar if you know what to look for..and I'm sure you know that.
That is just one small part of it though.

Alright, I will just try to understand you, so I will need to dig deeper in your answers.

How do you scrutinise things? If you take for example a book from Rowbotham the Earth Not A Globe and for example a website from NASA explaining things. How do you make up the difference in what is true and what is false?

For example, I have no previous experience from this world. I am an alien and I am presented with the Rowbotham book and the NASA website, where do I start?

You can only start where you start. I'm not here to wet nurse you...you will have to decide yourself what is and what isn't palatable  to you.

So what you are trying to say, you can make up the stories anyway you want? If I do not like the idea of a flat earth and a spherical earth at all, I can just go on and decide myself that the earth should actually be a pyramid?

I am interested in how you find things out Sceptimatic. I am scrutinising our methodologies. I need to decide which one is palatable to me. So carry on to explain it to me?

Whatever you go with, will be your decision, just like it's my decision what I go with.

So what you are saying is that it is only a matter of opinion to you and not certainty?

To me it is like you are saying. "Oh..that theory...I do not like, it even has some parts in it I do not understand, so it is magic to me....hmm...let me see...ah this is the theory I like..."

There is no set rules to you to how you dig into it? Like if I want to measure something I take a tape-measure and find out about different things. It is not like you do the same experiments to test one theory against the other, just your opinion, the one which is the most palatable to you..

Lol sometimes it might help to look at other things. Take the war on drugs for instance. You can buy just about any drug anywhere in the US at any time.  Yet the government states there is a war on drugs. Old ladies are strip searched at the airport, your luggage is ransacked. How are trucks and boats loaded with drugs making it into the States? How is the stuff being distributed everywhere, and billions of dollars being made? To me it doesn't seem that they are doing their best at shutting down these operations.  To me it seems that we are being lied to. There are a lot of things.that don't seem to make sense when you look into them. Sure you can say the powers that be are incompitent fools, but I don't think so. There are too many things that have seriously wrong, for them all to be mistakes.

Lol sometimes it might help to look at other things. Take the war on drugs for instance. You can buy just about any drug anywhere in the US at any time.  Yet the government states there is a war on drugs. Old ladies are strip searched at the airport, your luggage is ransacked. How are trucks and boats loaded with drugs making it into the States? How is the stuff being distributed everywhere, and billions of dollars being made? To me it doesn't seem that they are doing their best at shutting down these operations.  To me it seems that we are being lied to. There are a lot of things.that don't seem to make sense when you look into them. Sure you can say the powers that be are incompitent fools, but I don't think so. There are too many things that have seriously wrong, for them all to be mistakes.

If the US government was controlling the sale of drugs, I think they'd make tons more money by making them sort-of legal. They're not gaining any money from prosecuting people, they're actually losing it. They would definitely stop the prosecution and make drugs even easier to come by if they were meaning to make a buck on their omnipotence over the drug market.

Lol sometimes it might help to look at other things. Take the war on drugs for instance. You can buy just about any drug anywhere in the US at any time.  Yet the government states there is a war on drugs. Old ladies are strip searched at the airport, your luggage is ransacked. How are trucks and boats loaded with drugs making it into the States? How is the stuff being distributed everywhere, and billions of dollars being made? To me it doesn't seem that they are doing their best at shutting down these operations.  To me it seems that we are being lied to. There are a lot of things.that don't seem to make sense when you look into them. Sure you can say the powers that be are incompitent fools, but I don't think so. There are too many things that have seriously wrong, for them all to be mistakes.

Since you say we are being lied about some many things, how do you go on and check which things are true and which things are false? That is what I am interested about.

Mystical revelation.

You have to check into things for yourself. Choose something that interests you, or something you already have knowledge of. Use the internet for investigation, investigate beyond the wiki entries. If you find that everything you find seems reasonable, then go back to sleep. If something seems amiss, keep investigating. I believe that people are somehow conditioned over look many things and believe. official stories and explanations even when they are false.

You have to check into things for yourself. Choose something that interests you, or something you already have knowledge of. Use the internet for investigation, investigate beyond the wiki entries. If you find that everything you find seems reasonable, then go back to sleep. If something seems amiss, keep investigating. I believe that people are somehow conditioned over look many things and believe. official stories and explanations even when they are false.

Your belief. You have no way to verify that?

I am not trying to discuss it, but I am trying to understand how you continue your investigation. You were presented with the spherical earth idea, you found things amiss, you went on to investigate further. I guess you read the book Earth Not A Globe, etc?

But other then that...did you do any experiments yourself? If so, how did you set these up.

I didn't start finding things amiss with RE, it was the moon landings.

I didn't start finding things amiss with RE, it was the moon landings.

Now you are confusing me. You went on to the RE and found things amiss about that theory, right?

I didn't start finding things amiss with RE, it was the moon landings.

When I first heard people saying the moon landings were faked, I thought "Okay, I guess they could have been." But the more I looked into it, the less likely it seemed that they had been faked. When I saw original footage compared to all possible methods of fakery, that was the clincher. There was just no way it could have been faked. As far as I'm concerned, the moon landings were for real.

When I heard of the Flat Earth Society, I was a little more skeptical of it, because I've traveled a bit, and seen stuff that doesn't fit in with any kind of flat earth theory. Still, I thought I'd hang about and see if there was any credible, compelling evidence to support the idea of a flat earth. There have been a few ideas that looked good at first glance ('bendy light' had the best chance of explaining the difference between what I see every day, and what FET says is reality), but so far they have all broken down under further scrutiny, where the round earth explanations have not. So, as far as I'm concerned, the earth is round. I'll keep an open mind on that one though, in case something comes up that actually does explain how the earth could be flat, and still allow for the observations I have made.

Hoppy, Sceptimatic, other FE defenders....please, explain me your methodology.

Hoppy, Sceptimatic, other FE defenders....please, explain me your methodology.

It seems there some brainwashing that must be overcome. I already told you what happened to me. Also it seems that many people never do see the light on this subject.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 24, 2013, 03:25:54 PM

Hoppy, Sceptimatic, other FE defenders....please, explain me your methodology.

It seems there some brainwashing that must be overcome. I already told you what happened to me. Also it seems that many people never do see the light on this subject.

I don't think you understand my question. I am wondering how you do your research. You have been reading a lot of stuff I guess? But what are you looking for when you look at information. How you determine its validity? That is just one question about how you investigate, but we'll go one step at the time.

Wut r u a shrink

Wut r u a shrink

I wish... 

You don't want to answer my question?

Funny, I compared the FE/RE argument to a court case here too, but without all the added baloney.

What can appear to be a done and dusted case doesn't always mean it is a done and dusted case, as in the rotating globe case, appears to look nailed on to those that simply accept it as being what is told.
12 angry men spring to mind.
Has anyone ever seen this old film with Henry Fonda?
Although it is just a film, it highlights just how a story can be (or appear) nailed on by events and witness testimony, plus a biased opinion of those that are picked to debate it.

Science does not work by witness testimonies or biased opinions.

Quote from: Lolflatdisc on May 25, 2013, 11:07:52 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 25, 2013, 03:21:24 AM

What can appear to be a done and dusted case doesn't always mean it is a done and dusted case, as in the rotating globe case, appears to look nailed on to those that simply accept it as being what is told.
12 angry men spring to mind.
Has anyone ever seen this old film with Henry Fonda?
Although it is just a film, it highlights just how a story can be (or appear) nailed on by events and witness testimony, plus a biased opinion of those that are picked to debate it.

Science does not work by witness testimonies or biased opinions.

We know that but you and your cronies keep trying to push it.

If you know that you know that scientists have proven the earth to be a sphere.

Thank you for admitting....(finally)

Moved, related to beliefs not theory.